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I've made a note about this page on the Donald Trump talk page. I don't know if there are any procedures for this, but I would suggest letting it stay online for at least at week and then see how much is has developed. Marginataen ( talk) 13:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
This is a fairly new page. So if anyone wants to suggest re-naming it, via the RM route? Go for it. GoodDay ( talk) 02:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
taking its title at face valuewill be a bottomless abyss of contention, the mother of all CT articles, the ultimate time sink soibangla ( talk) 07:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I would just like to elaborate on my thoughts behind making this article. I did not to it for covering something with DT and authoritarianism. I did it because there's been numerous detalied analysies by scholars and others about his rhetoric. I do not have much to add to the article myself but was expecting headings or sub-heading among the lines of (to give to something to work with): "Language completely level", "speech rithem", "vocabulary", "Way on talking about/to women", "idioms", "Speech writers during prisidency", special sayings (e.g. You're fired), "Linguistic/Rhetorical analysis of famous speeches/statements by him. E.g.:
Marginataen ( talk) 16:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I suggest that the first section should be a summary of major themes in his speaking, perhaps 1) himself 2) denigration of everyone who is not himself 3) tough actions he promises to take 3) claims about tough things he already did 4) outright attacks and slander of various public figures and institutions. SPECIFICO talk 18:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
Sources have discussed some of the phrases Trump uses to off-handedly make assertions that in fact are highly implausible:
I don't have sources at my fingertips, but these and many others have been identified and discussed in various sources as uniquely effective ways in which he promotes various statements without quite taking responsibility for them such that he might need to defend whatever the statement. SPECIFICO talk 02:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Other methods (some of these may not be "persuasion"):
Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 16:13, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
References
I removed the following line since she doesn't describe his rhetoric as violent (or even explicitly talk about his rhetoric) and it is awkwardly written, implying that "locker room", "joke", and sexual misconduct are all examples of violent rhetoric.
I wasn't sure how to fix this line, so I am moving it here in case anyone wanted to keep the source and rewrite something else from it to put into the article. Photos of Japan ( talk) 09:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I have also removed the following lines.
The line as currently written misrepresents the article (rather than arguing that environmental deregulation occurred due to racist rhetoric, it is arguing more that such rhetoric distracted people from the deregulation going on), but more importantly the analysis section currently talks about how Trump's rhetoric is dehumanizing, discusses the emotionality of it, and compares it to fascists, but it is broken up by this line awkwardly injected into the middle of it, taking up 1/3 of the analysis section to discuss a very niche point about environmental deregulation occurring during the first year of Trump's administration and people being distracted by racist rhetoric so they don't notice it. I'm moving this line here in case someone wants to find some other way to use this source for the article. Photos of Japan ( talk) 09:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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misrepresents the article (rather than arguing that environmental deregulation occurred due to racist rhetoric, it is arguing more that such rhetoric distracted people from the deregulation going on), but the text in question acknowledges that it "most importantly served to distract media attention". Additionally, the source does indeed say that the deregulation occurred in part due to racist rhetoric, stating that "one of the many outcomes of spectacular racism has been to facilitate deregulation."
awkwardly injectedinto the analysis section which talks about Trump's dehumanizing rhetoric and the emotionalism of it and that this content is out of place because it is
a very niche point about environmental deregulation. However, this content specifically talks about Trump's rhetoric "dehumanizing its targets" and "and consolidating power by emotionally connecting with and inflaming resentments among the base of followers".
The redirect January 6 hostage crisis has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 20 § January 6 hostage crisis until a consensus is reached. Jay 💬 15:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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I've made a note about this page on the Donald Trump talk page. I don't know if there are any procedures for this, but I would suggest letting it stay online for at least at week and then see how much is has developed. Marginataen ( talk) 13:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
This is a fairly new page. So if anyone wants to suggest re-naming it, via the RM route? Go for it. GoodDay ( talk) 02:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
taking its title at face valuewill be a bottomless abyss of contention, the mother of all CT articles, the ultimate time sink soibangla ( talk) 07:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I would just like to elaborate on my thoughts behind making this article. I did not to it for covering something with DT and authoritarianism. I did it because there's been numerous detalied analysies by scholars and others about his rhetoric. I do not have much to add to the article myself but was expecting headings or sub-heading among the lines of (to give to something to work with): "Language completely level", "speech rithem", "vocabulary", "Way on talking about/to women", "idioms", "Speech writers during prisidency", special sayings (e.g. You're fired), "Linguistic/Rhetorical analysis of famous speeches/statements by him. E.g.:
Marginataen ( talk) 16:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I suggest that the first section should be a summary of major themes in his speaking, perhaps 1) himself 2) denigration of everyone who is not himself 3) tough actions he promises to take 3) claims about tough things he already did 4) outright attacks and slander of various public figures and institutions. SPECIFICO talk 18:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
Sources have discussed some of the phrases Trump uses to off-handedly make assertions that in fact are highly implausible:
I don't have sources at my fingertips, but these and many others have been identified and discussed in various sources as uniquely effective ways in which he promotes various statements without quite taking responsibility for them such that he might need to defend whatever the statement. SPECIFICO talk 02:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Other methods (some of these may not be "persuasion"):
Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 16:13, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
References
I removed the following line since she doesn't describe his rhetoric as violent (or even explicitly talk about his rhetoric) and it is awkwardly written, implying that "locker room", "joke", and sexual misconduct are all examples of violent rhetoric.
I wasn't sure how to fix this line, so I am moving it here in case anyone wanted to keep the source and rewrite something else from it to put into the article. Photos of Japan ( talk) 09:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I have also removed the following lines.
The line as currently written misrepresents the article (rather than arguing that environmental deregulation occurred due to racist rhetoric, it is arguing more that such rhetoric distracted people from the deregulation going on), but more importantly the analysis section currently talks about how Trump's rhetoric is dehumanizing, discusses the emotionality of it, and compares it to fascists, but it is broken up by this line awkwardly injected into the middle of it, taking up 1/3 of the analysis section to discuss a very niche point about environmental deregulation occurring during the first year of Trump's administration and people being distracted by racist rhetoric so they don't notice it. I'm moving this line here in case someone wants to find some other way to use this source for the article. Photos of Japan ( talk) 09:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
References
misrepresents the article (rather than arguing that environmental deregulation occurred due to racist rhetoric, it is arguing more that such rhetoric distracted people from the deregulation going on), but the text in question acknowledges that it "most importantly served to distract media attention". Additionally, the source does indeed say that the deregulation occurred in part due to racist rhetoric, stating that "one of the many outcomes of spectacular racism has been to facilitate deregulation."
awkwardly injectedinto the analysis section which talks about Trump's dehumanizing rhetoric and the emotionalism of it and that this content is out of place because it is
a very niche point about environmental deregulation. However, this content specifically talks about Trump's rhetoric "dehumanizing its targets" and "and consolidating power by emotionally connecting with and inflaming resentments among the base of followers".
The redirect January 6 hostage crisis has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 20 § January 6 hostage crisis until a consensus is reached. Jay 💬 15:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)