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The tallest trees on earth need a better article. I hope others will assist me in my attempts to get this article to featured article level.-- MONGO 09:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
My pleasure. Final redlink eliminated with creation of Franciscan Assemblage. Now I am going to kick back and watch the World Cup with a beer! Best, -- Guinnog 14:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks - I was fixing it as you were, so we had a copyedit. I'm going to try a slightly different approach. Sam 16:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Anybody have a source? This, linked from UNESCO Biosphere website seems to raise questions as to whether RNSP is actually in the biosphere. Niteowlneils 02:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
George Lucas "filmed" the Endor scenes for Return of the Jedi...
"Filming" the scenes implies that he was the director of the movie. He was not - Richard Marquand was. Lucas was the cowriter and executive producer of RotJ. If he did some uncredited second unit shooting then I guess the statement would be true, although there was obviously more than just second unit stuff filmed for the Endor scenes and that statement leaves out Marquand and the regular crew. Perhaps it needs to be changed to something along the lines of "Scenes from Return of the Jedi were filmed..." without giving a specific individual's name.—Preceding unsigned comment added by LwsP729 ( talk • contribs)
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Two points to make:
a) How come there are two pictures of the trees in the fog (sections 'flora' and 'fire management')? They both basically show the same thing and basically have the same caption except.... b) the second has the worst caption I've ever read: "Fog is persistent during the summer, as seen here, and the majority of fires are during the fall." A good picture of a controlled burn would add to the 'fire management' section and would fix the double-fog-picture-problem.
Any thoughts? I was surprised to find problems like this (especially the terrible caption) on a featured article...
P.S. also I think it'd be cool to have a picture like this http://www.image-archeology.com/Chandelier_Tree_Giant_Redwood_PC_002.jpg to show the relative size of the trees. M.nelson ( talk) 02:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello, in the current revision (as of this writing), the first sentence says:
Isn't this redundant? California doesn't border any other bodies of water. Why not "[[Pacific Ocean|Pacific]] coast" (which would still be a bit redundant but would help people who are unfamiliar with the state) or "[[Pacific Ocean|coast]]" (which is less redundant but also potentially more confusing)? Other ideas would be welcome. -- Kyok o 15:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
No mention of Avenue of the Giants, in the middle of the Redwoods of Humboldt County. Plus, please refrain from tree-hugging, which this article drips of tree resin. Happy highways, everyone, thanks for putting it up on the front page. Off to gold panning American River, kudos :) Kidshare ( talk) 22:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Norcalal 05:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Working on updating this article...will add citation templates in a couple of days and check/add refs as I go.-- MONGO 00:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The third paragraph of the history section used to begin as follows: Frederick Russell Burnham was living on his 5,000-acre (20 km2) La Cuesta cattle ranch near the entrance to Sequoia Park when the completion of U.S. Route 101 brought fellow conservationists...
There is absolutely no use in listing all this about Mr. Burnham. This is neither an article about him nor is it about the Save the Redwoods league directly. His home near the INLAND REDWOODS (thus Sequoia Park) has absolutely no relationship to U.S. Route 101, nor does it have anything AT ALL to do with the Coast Redwood or RNSP. Also, since a previous editor was obviously working over time to place Mr. Burnham in this article, I looked at the Save the Redwoods Founders section of the eponymous website and after digging (see http://www.savetheredwoods.org/league/pdf/bulletin_sp08.pdf) found no discussion of Burnham. So he is removed. Norcalal 04:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree with your point that Burnham's ranch near Sequoia park is not essential for this featured article and it can be removed. I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make about a big three, but Major Burnham is cited in many sources as a founding organizer of the 1918 Save-the-Redwoods-League, as I have pointed out, except for the one curious and also erroneous omission that you now cite in this article -- a more accurate cite is needed, such as the Peter Coates (2006) cite that was removed from this article and I already restored once. Further, it is important to note in the history section of this article that Burnham was also appointed as a founding commissioner of the California state park commission, the commission that established Prairie Creek Redwoods, Del Norte Coast Redwoods, and Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Parks, and an agency which itself owes its founding to the Save-the-Redwoods-League -- from the Journal of San Diego History, Fall 1973, Volume 19, Number 4:
Burnham's role in the formation of the state park commission and both his actions nd the actions of this commission are further documented in his later testimony before the U.S. House of Representatives, Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds:
-- Ctatkinson ( talk) 16:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned about all of the substantive changes and continuous updates being made to this WP featured article. Making substantive changes directly to an article can lead to WP demotions and this can all be avoided by giving other contributors the opportunity for prior review. In some other WP featured articles I've working on, particularly in Scouting, contributors first create a sandbox for making significant changes and then add a pointer to the sandbox in the article's discussion page. Once the substantive changes have been reviewed and agreed upon, the article is updated. -- Ctatkinson ( talk) 16:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
To get perspective of the historic compact between the National and State Park Systems, one may want to remain able to see them as 4 distinct entities, which over time are being managed more and more in partnership. For many, many years the parks were united in that their property lines touched, but the underdevelopment of the National Park areas at first left them as large punctuation to the much more mature CA State Parks. My thesis work on this historic compact was of great interest to me as a person who lived in the area. There was barely any signage until the 1980's and that was slow. As many may realize, there is little development outside the State Parks to this day. As a result it seems to be odd how many people want to consider the history of these initially very different entities as though they were always together. I am very interested in seeing that the early history reflect the parks as separate as they were until approximately 20-30 years ago. Also, I am delighted to work with others on this article. As I said there were several errors in the article even after it was a Featured Article (the first time) that I had to address. Norcalal 05:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
This dab links here, but I found no mention in the article. It is conceivable that a single has this name, perhaps even gazetted, or mentioned like this one, but I also see how it may have been removed by accident. I left the link up. cygnis insignis 10:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
At present, the "In Films" states that Redwood National Park was where Star Wars Return of the Jedi was filmed. I've read that elsewhere, and likewise Jedediah Smith redwoods. Knowing how touchy the parks service is about the groves, I thought that may be inaccurate. A reliable source said the movie was not filmed in those parks. I located more information, and my notes are are at: Redwood Information Page: Scroll for Star Wars notes
A north CA coast paper called the Triplicate ran a story some time ago with correct facts. From the Triplicate, and my source (who works in the redwood forests), is where I acquired the info. It was not state or national park land where the movie was made. Its possible a commercial was filmed in the parks, but not the movie.
Hopefully we can find and agree upon a reference source that substantiates the Triplicate artical. Mdvaden ( talk) 15:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
"Redwood National and State Parks" is a VERY specific name for only REDWOOD NATIONAL PARK and the three state parks (Prarie Creek, Del Norte Coast, and Jedediah Smith) that are located adjacent to (actually touching) Redwood National Park. Any CATEGORY that goes beyond these 4 parks will be in error and confuse readers. No other parks are included in the historic management compact that exists in between only the three listed state parks and Redwood National Park. Disagree? See Redwood National and State Parks Visitor Guide: National or State Park? section AND [6] or Call Redwood National Park Headquarters in Crescent City, CA... Norcalal ( talk) 11:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
In the Recreation section it is stated that the park is 340 mi north of San Fransisco. 340 Mi north of San Fransisco is in Oregon; the park is supposed to be in California. I measured it and the real distance is about 240 mi. The person who stated the length of 340 Mi has also not left a citation for their claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agaly ( talk • contribs) 05:18, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Is this driving along the major roads or as the crow flies? If it is major highways, it is 313 miles from San Francisco to Orick where the southern RNP visitor center is located. It is 333 miles from Portland to Crescent City where the northern RNP visitor center is located. I used Google Maps for the distances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.137.140.218 ( talk) 23:32, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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The park has a significant problem with poachers, who vandalize and destroy trees to steal burls for decorative wood carvings. The park had to close one park road for night time access due to this issue: http://www.nps.gov/redw/parknews/newton-drury-parkway-will-be-closed-at-night-due-to-increased-wood-poaching.htm - is that an issue for the article? -- h-stt !? 17:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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This one's in decent shape, but needs a little bit of tune-up. There's smatterings of uncited text throughout, and the detailed information is from 2008, and needs a check to make sure it's still in date. For instance, the camping rights details quite possibly could have changed since 2008, etc. This shouldn't be too hard to fix, if someone has the time (I don't really). Also gonna place a note and WP:CALIFORNIA. This one's an important article; hopefully it doesn't fall by the wayside. Hog Farm Bacon 17:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The issues noted above have not been addressed, and several marginal sources have been introduced since the last notice. This article needs a featured article review to be restored to current standards. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 21:02, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
The state of California calls its parks ...Redwoods.. plural. That applies to the three plus Humboldt. The NPS calls its park singular ...Redwood.... California calls its parks ...Park.... and the NPS calls the whole shebang ...Parks.... Hope this helps. - SusanLesch ( talk) 17:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Can I find an alternate source for the fire management stuff, you think, @ Firefangledfeathers? Or should we try to find that specific page? Are we certain that statement about the Douglas firs is even accurate? Andre 🚐 23:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
"The Tolowa and other tribes in the area used small fires to improve hunting grounds and protected the tanoak acorn food supply from pests. These surface fires reduced the likelihood of larger fires."
In its northern range, in and around Redwood National Park, CA, fire has a moderate ecological role in redwood stands.Your new version scares me and appears to go overboard on fire. Sorry. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:38, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Firefangledfeathers, maybe you can help. I'll be away for a day or two. We probably don't need to show all of the proclamation and legislation (in 1793, 1850, 2018, and 2022). When I get back I'll try to add 2018: SB1260 acknowledged indigenous experience, and authorized prescribed burns. Vox has some links to add (for example, the Karuk Endowment for Eco-Cultural Revitalization, which I hope can replace Ron Goode because his parts lean a bit too much into the Sierra redwood for our purpose—although he is a published reliable source). I have several papers specifically on RNSP and cultural burns remaining to read. Should mention I have encountered one dissenting voice to the thrust of what we have now. (Also Emanuel Fritz 1932 whose pamphlet read like a lumberman's.) - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Wondering if MONGO might have input at this point? - SusanLesch ( talk) 21:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
If anyone has time or interest, yesterday Associated Press has a story about "assisted migration" for climate change; they mention a non-profit PropagationNation. - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
SusanLesch, I'm worried we're implying that each of the thirty groups has inhabited the area for millennia. Could we reword or move up the later bit about inhabitation of Jedediah for 8.5k years? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 14:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Modern day Native American nations such as the Yurok, Tolowa, Karuk, Chilula, and Wiyot have historical ties to the region, which has had [various] indigenous occupants for millennia. Describing "a diversity in an area that size that has probably has never been equaled anywhere else in the world", historian David Stannard accounts for more than thirty native nations that lived in northwestern California. Scholar Gail L. Jenner estimates that "at least fifteen" tribal groups inhabited the coastline.
Archaeological and linguistic evidence suggests that like most Native peoples of the northern redwood forest, the Tolowa arrived relatively recently, around A.D.1300 (Frederickson 1984).
Tolowa-Tututni did not arrive in California until after the Algic populations were more or less in place, that is, later than circa A.D. 1200 and possibly as late as A.D. 1300.
Historically, the Tolowa (Taa-laa-wa Dee-ni) were located along the Smith River and today's Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park, whose "occupational history" most likely spans 8,500 years.
I added one paragraph to European American history. Does anyone think the jump from 1543 to 1775 is too abrupt? According to Bearss, the people who came between those dates seem to have maybe looked at the coast as they sailed by. Corrections welcome. - SusanLesch ( talk) 22:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
OK that one is solved. Now I hope you will see if you can improve the new section! Robert Hemsted of the Cher-Ae Heights Tribe said, "You're only as sovereign as you act." - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
I'm done except I'd like to mention indigenous reliance on salmon. The Klamath dam removal is a big deal but upstream and outside the parks. - SusanLesch ( talk) 17:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Lewis supports acorns being a primary food supply, but I couldn't find in scanning through any support for use of fire to manage that supply (linked version is not searchable and has no index); add a citation to support fire management of tanoak (full source coming soon) and add tribes mentioned in source. The linked version is searchable and supports the use of fire to enhance acorn harvest on several pages. Search for "acorns" and read the snippets. - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:00, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I understand Hog Farm would like to see clearcutting mentioned sooner. It's a bit abrupt in the section on Europeans. The article is correct now, that clearcutting happened for the most part after World War II. I have looked and don't find anything to defend the statement that miners became loggers after the gold rush (that's been in here uncited since 2006).
I am searching for sources. The first lumber was shipped from Humboldt Bay in 1855 [1] Early loggers could take a week to saw down a coast redwood. [2] Still looking for a source for mechanization which sped up logging and would be a natural transition.
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- SusanLesch ( talk) 20:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Two handled saws were men's primary tools for felling the coast redwoods until after WWII.p77 Teams of oxen transported logs until 1881 when the steam donkey was invented—and the need to fell intervening trees spawned clearcutting pp80-81 and Caterpillar tractors began work in the late 1920s p81(at least this will explain the chronology). - SusanLesch ( talk) 22:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, דולב חולב. What source did you use for the climate info added in these edits? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 01:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Firefangledfeathers, I put numbers 1,2,3,5 in my sandbox. I wonder if you would have time to work on the last batch of FAR comments 4,6,7. Thanks. Back soon. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Looks good to me. I'm feeling ready to post a "keep" comment at FARC, but I want to make sure you're ready too, SusanLesch. I'm hopeful we'll get more reviewers and have some poking to do, but other than that, anything else on your docket? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 22:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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The tallest trees on earth need a better article. I hope others will assist me in my attempts to get this article to featured article level.-- MONGO 09:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
My pleasure. Final redlink eliminated with creation of Franciscan Assemblage. Now I am going to kick back and watch the World Cup with a beer! Best, -- Guinnog 14:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks - I was fixing it as you were, so we had a copyedit. I'm going to try a slightly different approach. Sam 16:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Anybody have a source? This, linked from UNESCO Biosphere website seems to raise questions as to whether RNSP is actually in the biosphere. Niteowlneils 02:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
George Lucas "filmed" the Endor scenes for Return of the Jedi...
"Filming" the scenes implies that he was the director of the movie. He was not - Richard Marquand was. Lucas was the cowriter and executive producer of RotJ. If he did some uncredited second unit shooting then I guess the statement would be true, although there was obviously more than just second unit stuff filmed for the Endor scenes and that statement leaves out Marquand and the regular crew. Perhaps it needs to be changed to something along the lines of "Scenes from Return of the Jedi were filmed..." without giving a specific individual's name.—Preceding unsigned comment added by LwsP729 ( talk • contribs)
I have nominated this FA to become TFA on MainPage on U.S. Arbor Day next Friday, April 25th. Please see User talk:Raul654#TFA ideas for April 21st, 25th & 29th. Thanks. -- PFHLai ( talk) 01:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Two points to make:
a) How come there are two pictures of the trees in the fog (sections 'flora' and 'fire management')? They both basically show the same thing and basically have the same caption except.... b) the second has the worst caption I've ever read: "Fog is persistent during the summer, as seen here, and the majority of fires are during the fall." A good picture of a controlled burn would add to the 'fire management' section and would fix the double-fog-picture-problem.
Any thoughts? I was surprised to find problems like this (especially the terrible caption) on a featured article...
P.S. also I think it'd be cool to have a picture like this http://www.image-archeology.com/Chandelier_Tree_Giant_Redwood_PC_002.jpg to show the relative size of the trees. M.nelson ( talk) 02:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello, in the current revision (as of this writing), the first sentence says:
Isn't this redundant? California doesn't border any other bodies of water. Why not "[[Pacific Ocean|Pacific]] coast" (which would still be a bit redundant but would help people who are unfamiliar with the state) or "[[Pacific Ocean|coast]]" (which is less redundant but also potentially more confusing)? Other ideas would be welcome. -- Kyok o 15:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
No mention of Avenue of the Giants, in the middle of the Redwoods of Humboldt County. Plus, please refrain from tree-hugging, which this article drips of tree resin. Happy highways, everyone, thanks for putting it up on the front page. Off to gold panning American River, kudos :) Kidshare ( talk) 22:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Norcalal 05:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Working on updating this article...will add citation templates in a couple of days and check/add refs as I go.-- MONGO 00:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The third paragraph of the history section used to begin as follows: Frederick Russell Burnham was living on his 5,000-acre (20 km2) La Cuesta cattle ranch near the entrance to Sequoia Park when the completion of U.S. Route 101 brought fellow conservationists...
There is absolutely no use in listing all this about Mr. Burnham. This is neither an article about him nor is it about the Save the Redwoods league directly. His home near the INLAND REDWOODS (thus Sequoia Park) has absolutely no relationship to U.S. Route 101, nor does it have anything AT ALL to do with the Coast Redwood or RNSP. Also, since a previous editor was obviously working over time to place Mr. Burnham in this article, I looked at the Save the Redwoods Founders section of the eponymous website and after digging (see http://www.savetheredwoods.org/league/pdf/bulletin_sp08.pdf) found no discussion of Burnham. So he is removed. Norcalal 04:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree with your point that Burnham's ranch near Sequoia park is not essential for this featured article and it can be removed. I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make about a big three, but Major Burnham is cited in many sources as a founding organizer of the 1918 Save-the-Redwoods-League, as I have pointed out, except for the one curious and also erroneous omission that you now cite in this article -- a more accurate cite is needed, such as the Peter Coates (2006) cite that was removed from this article and I already restored once. Further, it is important to note in the history section of this article that Burnham was also appointed as a founding commissioner of the California state park commission, the commission that established Prairie Creek Redwoods, Del Norte Coast Redwoods, and Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Parks, and an agency which itself owes its founding to the Save-the-Redwoods-League -- from the Journal of San Diego History, Fall 1973, Volume 19, Number 4:
Burnham's role in the formation of the state park commission and both his actions nd the actions of this commission are further documented in his later testimony before the U.S. House of Representatives, Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds:
-- Ctatkinson ( talk) 16:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned about all of the substantive changes and continuous updates being made to this WP featured article. Making substantive changes directly to an article can lead to WP demotions and this can all be avoided by giving other contributors the opportunity for prior review. In some other WP featured articles I've working on, particularly in Scouting, contributors first create a sandbox for making significant changes and then add a pointer to the sandbox in the article's discussion page. Once the substantive changes have been reviewed and agreed upon, the article is updated. -- Ctatkinson ( talk) 16:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
To get perspective of the historic compact between the National and State Park Systems, one may want to remain able to see them as 4 distinct entities, which over time are being managed more and more in partnership. For many, many years the parks were united in that their property lines touched, but the underdevelopment of the National Park areas at first left them as large punctuation to the much more mature CA State Parks. My thesis work on this historic compact was of great interest to me as a person who lived in the area. There was barely any signage until the 1980's and that was slow. As many may realize, there is little development outside the State Parks to this day. As a result it seems to be odd how many people want to consider the history of these initially very different entities as though they were always together. I am very interested in seeing that the early history reflect the parks as separate as they were until approximately 20-30 years ago. Also, I am delighted to work with others on this article. As I said there were several errors in the article even after it was a Featured Article (the first time) that I had to address. Norcalal 05:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
This dab links here, but I found no mention in the article. It is conceivable that a single has this name, perhaps even gazetted, or mentioned like this one, but I also see how it may have been removed by accident. I left the link up. cygnis insignis 10:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
At present, the "In Films" states that Redwood National Park was where Star Wars Return of the Jedi was filmed. I've read that elsewhere, and likewise Jedediah Smith redwoods. Knowing how touchy the parks service is about the groves, I thought that may be inaccurate. A reliable source said the movie was not filmed in those parks. I located more information, and my notes are are at: Redwood Information Page: Scroll for Star Wars notes
A north CA coast paper called the Triplicate ran a story some time ago with correct facts. From the Triplicate, and my source (who works in the redwood forests), is where I acquired the info. It was not state or national park land where the movie was made. Its possible a commercial was filmed in the parks, but not the movie.
Hopefully we can find and agree upon a reference source that substantiates the Triplicate artical. Mdvaden ( talk) 15:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
"Redwood National and State Parks" is a VERY specific name for only REDWOOD NATIONAL PARK and the three state parks (Prarie Creek, Del Norte Coast, and Jedediah Smith) that are located adjacent to (actually touching) Redwood National Park. Any CATEGORY that goes beyond these 4 parks will be in error and confuse readers. No other parks are included in the historic management compact that exists in between only the three listed state parks and Redwood National Park. Disagree? See Redwood National and State Parks Visitor Guide: National or State Park? section AND [6] or Call Redwood National Park Headquarters in Crescent City, CA... Norcalal ( talk) 11:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
In the Recreation section it is stated that the park is 340 mi north of San Fransisco. 340 Mi north of San Fransisco is in Oregon; the park is supposed to be in California. I measured it and the real distance is about 240 mi. The person who stated the length of 340 Mi has also not left a citation for their claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agaly ( talk • contribs) 05:18, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Is this driving along the major roads or as the crow flies? If it is major highways, it is 313 miles from San Francisco to Orick where the southern RNP visitor center is located. It is 333 miles from Portland to Crescent City where the northern RNP visitor center is located. I used Google Maps for the distances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.137.140.218 ( talk) 23:32, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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The park has a significant problem with poachers, who vandalize and destroy trees to steal burls for decorative wood carvings. The park had to close one park road for night time access due to this issue: http://www.nps.gov/redw/parknews/newton-drury-parkway-will-be-closed-at-night-due-to-increased-wood-poaching.htm - is that an issue for the article? -- h-stt !? 17:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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This one's in decent shape, but needs a little bit of tune-up. There's smatterings of uncited text throughout, and the detailed information is from 2008, and needs a check to make sure it's still in date. For instance, the camping rights details quite possibly could have changed since 2008, etc. This shouldn't be too hard to fix, if someone has the time (I don't really). Also gonna place a note and WP:CALIFORNIA. This one's an important article; hopefully it doesn't fall by the wayside. Hog Farm Bacon 17:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The issues noted above have not been addressed, and several marginal sources have been introduced since the last notice. This article needs a featured article review to be restored to current standards. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 21:02, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
The state of California calls its parks ...Redwoods.. plural. That applies to the three plus Humboldt. The NPS calls its park singular ...Redwood.... California calls its parks ...Park.... and the NPS calls the whole shebang ...Parks.... Hope this helps. - SusanLesch ( talk) 17:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Can I find an alternate source for the fire management stuff, you think, @ Firefangledfeathers? Or should we try to find that specific page? Are we certain that statement about the Douglas firs is even accurate? Andre 🚐 23:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
"The Tolowa and other tribes in the area used small fires to improve hunting grounds and protected the tanoak acorn food supply from pests. These surface fires reduced the likelihood of larger fires."
In its northern range, in and around Redwood National Park, CA, fire has a moderate ecological role in redwood stands.Your new version scares me and appears to go overboard on fire. Sorry. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:38, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Firefangledfeathers, maybe you can help. I'll be away for a day or two. We probably don't need to show all of the proclamation and legislation (in 1793, 1850, 2018, and 2022). When I get back I'll try to add 2018: SB1260 acknowledged indigenous experience, and authorized prescribed burns. Vox has some links to add (for example, the Karuk Endowment for Eco-Cultural Revitalization, which I hope can replace Ron Goode because his parts lean a bit too much into the Sierra redwood for our purpose—although he is a published reliable source). I have several papers specifically on RNSP and cultural burns remaining to read. Should mention I have encountered one dissenting voice to the thrust of what we have now. (Also Emanuel Fritz 1932 whose pamphlet read like a lumberman's.) - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Wondering if MONGO might have input at this point? - SusanLesch ( talk) 21:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
If anyone has time or interest, yesterday Associated Press has a story about "assisted migration" for climate change; they mention a non-profit PropagationNation. - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
SusanLesch, I'm worried we're implying that each of the thirty groups has inhabited the area for millennia. Could we reword or move up the later bit about inhabitation of Jedediah for 8.5k years? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 14:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Modern day Native American nations such as the Yurok, Tolowa, Karuk, Chilula, and Wiyot have historical ties to the region, which has had [various] indigenous occupants for millennia. Describing "a diversity in an area that size that has probably has never been equaled anywhere else in the world", historian David Stannard accounts for more than thirty native nations that lived in northwestern California. Scholar Gail L. Jenner estimates that "at least fifteen" tribal groups inhabited the coastline.
Archaeological and linguistic evidence suggests that like most Native peoples of the northern redwood forest, the Tolowa arrived relatively recently, around A.D.1300 (Frederickson 1984).
Tolowa-Tututni did not arrive in California until after the Algic populations were more or less in place, that is, later than circa A.D. 1200 and possibly as late as A.D. 1300.
Historically, the Tolowa (Taa-laa-wa Dee-ni) were located along the Smith River and today's Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park, whose "occupational history" most likely spans 8,500 years.
I added one paragraph to European American history. Does anyone think the jump from 1543 to 1775 is too abrupt? According to Bearss, the people who came between those dates seem to have maybe looked at the coast as they sailed by. Corrections welcome. - SusanLesch ( talk) 22:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
OK that one is solved. Now I hope you will see if you can improve the new section! Robert Hemsted of the Cher-Ae Heights Tribe said, "You're only as sovereign as you act." - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
I'm done except I'd like to mention indigenous reliance on salmon. The Klamath dam removal is a big deal but upstream and outside the parks. - SusanLesch ( talk) 17:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Lewis supports acorns being a primary food supply, but I couldn't find in scanning through any support for use of fire to manage that supply (linked version is not searchable and has no index); add a citation to support fire management of tanoak (full source coming soon) and add tribes mentioned in source. The linked version is searchable and supports the use of fire to enhance acorn harvest on several pages. Search for "acorns" and read the snippets. - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:00, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I understand Hog Farm would like to see clearcutting mentioned sooner. It's a bit abrupt in the section on Europeans. The article is correct now, that clearcutting happened for the most part after World War II. I have looked and don't find anything to defend the statement that miners became loggers after the gold rush (that's been in here uncited since 2006).
I am searching for sources. The first lumber was shipped from Humboldt Bay in 1855 [1] Early loggers could take a week to saw down a coast redwood. [2] Still looking for a source for mechanization which sped up logging and would be a natural transition.
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- SusanLesch ( talk) 20:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Two handled saws were men's primary tools for felling the coast redwoods until after WWII.p77 Teams of oxen transported logs until 1881 when the steam donkey was invented—and the need to fell intervening trees spawned clearcutting pp80-81 and Caterpillar tractors began work in the late 1920s p81(at least this will explain the chronology). - SusanLesch ( talk) 22:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, דולב חולב. What source did you use for the climate info added in these edits? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 01:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Firefangledfeathers, I put numbers 1,2,3,5 in my sandbox. I wonder if you would have time to work on the last batch of FAR comments 4,6,7. Thanks. Back soon. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Looks good to me. I'm feeling ready to post a "keep" comment at FARC, but I want to make sure you're ready too, SusanLesch. I'm hopeful we'll get more reviewers and have some poking to do, but other than that, anything else on your docket? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 22:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)