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Instead of this faded photo of Corey Feldman wearing Wayfarers, why not Corey Hart's album cover to the Sunglasses at Night hit as a illustration of Wayfarers use in the media? The Corey Hart pic is very better and very much cool! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.120.121.64 ( talk) 13:16, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
My father disputes the fact that the Blues Brothers's iconic sunglasses were in fact Wayfarers. Could someone check this fact? -- Jake Papas 18:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
To the best of my experience watching the movie and looking at album covers, Dan Akroyd does not wear the classic Wafarer, however John Belushi does wear them, and they are clearly seen in the opening scene of the movie. A close examination of the coloring (tortise shell), and the angle of the lenses to arm pieces on Belushi's glasses are most likely Wayfarers. Dan Akroyd's glasss may have indeed been RayBan brand but usually do not appear to be Wayfarers.
They both wear legitimate RayBan Wayfarers. Aykroid has an early make of the (failed) new Wayfarer line (possibly early Wayfarer 2's). Belushi has more traditional Wayfarers.
there are so many models of Ray Ban stuff, any kind. many colors of wayfarer (sometimes the top and arms are multicolored, i found a few months ago a blue colored one, and saw a red/yellow/orange probably for ladies).
I use a greenish round glasses model, from B&L, on a nickeled frame, rarely seen. found it for about 4 bucks in a flea market... and have a few Wayfarer somewhere.
unfortunately a huge quantity of pirated models appeared on the market recently, (even oficial dealers don't want to keep selling the originals for such reason, here)----
just see site like this one ...
http://www.tradekey.com/ks-ray-ban/
I noticed that Michael Jackson (whose name is spelled wrong) is credited as wearing Wayfarers, but to my knowledge he never did. Michael Jackson is well know for wearing Aviators, but I have never seen a photo of him wearing Wayfarers.
Reply:
Michael Jackson was a prolific Wayfarer wearer. During the release of his Bad albumn and tour (in the late 80s) Michael was regularly seen wearing Wayfarers in photographs, public appearances and television interviews. There are innumerable photographs and video clips of him wearing them during this period. In fact, the inner sleeve of the Bad LP features a photshoot of Jackson wearing Wayfarers.
e.g.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/img87.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/98.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/img55.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/cimg675.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/images2434.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/1.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/46.jpg
a while ago chloe sevigny started wearing a pair of white wayfarers (that she said her mother got for her in a thirft store in CT). this was the start of the recent revival of these kinds of sunglasses, as they became more and more popular in hollywood/ny after she started wearing them. this was noted in a few fashion magazines (that she started the trend). don't know if this should be mentioned here or it's notable/sourceable info. i did add her to the lsit of celebrity wearers. -- Doinelita 02:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
"constant namedropping in Bret Easton Ellis' fiction, particularly Less Than Zero."
I dispute this. There's a lot of sunglasses wearing mentioned, but he doesn't specify wayfarers in particular at all. He does, however, namedrop them a lot in "The Informers".
This is a short article, but that's OK at GA so long as the subject is adequately covered, In this case though, I don't believe that it is. The article does a reasonable job looking at the fashion and sales aspects of the Ray-Ban Wayfarers, but it's not comprehensive enough in dealing with other areas. For instance it tells me nothing about the technical specification of the lenses. What is it now? Is it the same now as when the design was introduced in 1952? What was Ray Stegeman's brief when he designed the glasses? Who was he designing them for? How were they initially received by the marketplace? Were they instantly successful?
So far as the material that is here is concerned, I've got a few more detailed comments:
In summary, I think this article needs a good deal more work before it can be listed as a GA. I hope that the editors will continue to work on it, and that it can soon be nominated again. In the meantime though I've got not no option other than to fail this nomination, because of the amount of work I think there is left still to be done. If you believe that this review is in error, please feel to take it to WP:GAR.
-- Malleus Fatuarum 19:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Apparently Adam Savage wears Wayfarers. http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9801967776/m/1391909069 — NRen2k5( TALK), 03:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC) <a href=" http://www.oakley-rayban.com">oakley sunglasses</a>
I added an external link for the popular seller of Ray-Ban sunglasses. I thought that corresponded well with the rest of the article and the Ray-Ban article has that link, so I figured it would be helpful to include that on here as well. Sed2535 ( talk) 04:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
The glasses in the pictures are apparently not Wayfarers. Hepburn's appear to be bigger and more rounded. Some people claim these were made by Oliver Goldsmith. The temples of Kennedy's don't look like Wayfarer temples at all. The references to Bob Dylan and Andy Warhol are questionable as well. Try to google for pictures of the wearing Wayfarers and all you'll find are pictures of them wearing similar styles.
Finally found a good picture of Hepburn's glasses in Breakfast at Tiffany's. These are definitely not Wayfarers. [1] And I highly doubt the claim that this is a discontinued, oversized style. Too bad the only source for that claim is not available anymore. I guess most claims about icons of the 50's and 60's making them popular are just myths and this article helps to promote them. Great marketing for Ray-Ban.
Starman1984 ( talk) 00:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Upon further pondering, the statement that Hepburn wore a discontinued oversized style doesn't make much sense. If it was a different style, it would not have been called Wayfarer, even if it was a Ray-Ban model. Ray-Ban made many similar styles back then, such as the Meteor or the Myth. [1] Many manufacturers made models clearly inspired by different Ray-Ban models, Foremost for instance. [2] Starman1984 ( talk) 18:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Here's a source debunking the Kennedy-Wayfarer-Myth: [3] I read somewhere that Hepburn's shades in Breakfast at Tiffany's were made by Persol, tho the truth of that statement is questionable, since "Persol was introduced to the United States in 1962" (WP Article Persol) I am under the impression that either Luxottica itself (or its avid fans) tries to absorb any and all sunglasses even remotely resembling Ray Bans into their marketing strategy (then again, is the "Celebrity Tested" Campaign even original? it falsely states hepburn wore model 2140, the modern re-interpretation of B&L5022). Here's an interesting site trying to debunk the Hepburn-Wayfarer-Myth http://hollygolightlysunglasses.com/ and to debunk yet another myth: http://faosaeyewear.com/Legends_In_Faosa_Eyeglasses.html 93.200.21.187 ( talk) 08:32, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Here's chronological list of changes that have been made to the design over the years:
I still need quoteable sources and exact dates for all of these. If you happen come across any source of information, please let me know! Starman1984 ( talk) 18:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
(moved from Roguegeek's talk page)
Hi Roguegeek,
I strongly disagree with your choice of lead image for the Wayfarer article. First and foremost it doesn't show the actual subject of the article. The "New Wayfarer" model sure deserves it's mention and an image, but not at the top of the page. I think that position should be used for an image of an actual "Wayfarer" model, as it is a fashion classic and the reason the Wayfarer article exists in the first place.
Furthermore, the image quality of the picture you chose leaves a lot to be desired. On first glance it looks quite professional with its perfectly white background, but one can hardly make out any details. The whole front of the glasses appears as one solid black surface. The image in the "1990s decline and 2001 redesign" section is way better, even though the angle is odd.
The image of the 1980's sunglasses is not only representative of the 1980's. It's what Wayfarers looked like for decades. Moreover it shows off the subtleties of the design fairly well. In my opinion the encyclopedic value of the 80's "Wayfarer" image is far bigger than that of the "New Wayfarer" one.
Best regards
Starman1984 ( talk) 15:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
"The reason for this mistake stems from the fact that both Persol and Ray-Ban are owned by parent company Luxottica, and it is commonplace to see similar designs in both companies."
I read this and doubted the the truth behind it because Ray-Ban was not sold to Luxottica until 1999 according to the Ray-Ban article. Obviously, Breakfast at tiffany's came out before that. Can someone clarify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.35.50.189 ( talk) 01:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm removing the Persol reference. There's no source for this piece of information. Maybe somebody is trying to create a new myth. Hepburn's frames were supposedly made by Oliver Goldsmith, but I couldn't find a decent quoteable source for that yet... Starman1984 ( talk) 18:14, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Large portions of this article are just name dropping. I think it's getting out of control. Everybody's trying to add his favorite Wayfarer-wearer to the list. To keep this article useful, I suggest we separate the name dropping from the more relevant pieces of information by creating a new section. Starman1984 ( talk) 18:19, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
We don't need the definitive article top open with here. It looks clumsy. -- 82.41.20.82 ( talk) 19:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
"Though the sunglasses had faded from the limelight by the 1970s, a lucrative 1982 product placement deal brought Wayfarers to their height of popularity."
Having grown up in the 80's (I can imagine the references, such as "The Terminator", "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" and "Risky Business") there are no links or information supporting this claim. Considering this statement provides a direct link to a higher topic (product placement), evidence should be included.
"...the sunglasses had faded from the limelight by the 1970s"... according to who?
"a lucrative 1982 product placement deal brought Wayfarers to their height of popularity."... what deal? with who? when? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Der zukünftige Führer von Amerika ( talk • contribs) 22:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Were these also the glasses used in Men In Black and referenced in the Will Smith song of the same name? Garvin Talk 04:49, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
I have noticed that Wayfarer is often used generically as a term for faux horn-rimmed glasses in general, even for regular eyeglasses, but see no mention of this in the article. You can see a lot of eyeglass designs from the 50s and 60s which these days are frequently described generically as Wayfarer style. No doubt it is a classic design, but to what extent did Ray-Ban actually pioneer it? It seems quite similar to other horn-rimmed glasses of the time, like those Buddy Holly wore in the 50s. Was the Wayfarer truly as 'revolutionary' and 'a radical new shape' as the article states? Perhaps 'revolutionary' as a brand, but the design seems quite conventional. Dforest ( talk) 08:45, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
This page says the Wayfarer originated in 1956. I happened to notice on Amazon the claim was designed in 1952, a claim repeated on Ray-Ban's site. ( http://www.ray-ban.com/usa/sunglasses/RB2140%20unisex%201-ORIGINAL%20WAYFARER%20CLASSIC-Black/805289126577). How does Wikipedia resolve such issues?
This article is an insult to Wikipedia. It's as if Rayban paid a slimey marketing guy to write it. The notice at the top about rewriting it in a neutral style is just silly. The onus shouldn't be on new authors to "rewrite" it, most of it should just be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.176.129 ( talk) 04:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Since there's a market for pre Luxottica Wayfarers, I wonder which, if any, details have changed between '52 and '98? Some sources say that the etched BL Logo in the glasses was not introduced until the late 1970s and that the screen printed (removable?!?) Logo on the lense was introduced late in 1982. I have yet to find any word on when the tags on the temples were introduced or when (if) the model number stamping of the 5024 changed from using a "4" that's open at the top to one that's closed (or vice versa?). Since WP always pushes itself into the face of everybody, posing as the number one source for information, I would expect such facts to be found here. 93.200.10.89 ( talk) 09:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
It is understood that, in the beginning, Bausch & Lomb produced Wayfarers in two sizes, marked "B&L 5022" and "B&L 5024". It is also understood that those numbers determine the width of the lens (50mm) and the width of the bridge or distance between the lenses (22 or 24mm). But what is the meaning of the codes imprinted on the rear end of the temple/earpiece, such as "L2009", "L2053", "XNAW", "PSAW", "XRAS", "YNAS". I've seen them on several Bausch & Lomb Wayfarers that have the Ray-Ban Logo on the earpiece/temple. Some of them still had the common B&L 5022 or 5024 imprinted on the frame. Please enlighten me! 79.214.114.40 ( talk) 16:08, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Ray-Ban Wayfarer was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
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This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||
|
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this version of this article is substantially duplicated by a piece in an external publication. Please do not flag this article as a copyright violation of the following source:
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Instead of this faded photo of Corey Feldman wearing Wayfarers, why not Corey Hart's album cover to the Sunglasses at Night hit as a illustration of Wayfarers use in the media? The Corey Hart pic is very better and very much cool! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.120.121.64 ( talk) 13:16, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
My father disputes the fact that the Blues Brothers's iconic sunglasses were in fact Wayfarers. Could someone check this fact? -- Jake Papas 18:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
To the best of my experience watching the movie and looking at album covers, Dan Akroyd does not wear the classic Wafarer, however John Belushi does wear them, and they are clearly seen in the opening scene of the movie. A close examination of the coloring (tortise shell), and the angle of the lenses to arm pieces on Belushi's glasses are most likely Wayfarers. Dan Akroyd's glasss may have indeed been RayBan brand but usually do not appear to be Wayfarers.
They both wear legitimate RayBan Wayfarers. Aykroid has an early make of the (failed) new Wayfarer line (possibly early Wayfarer 2's). Belushi has more traditional Wayfarers.
there are so many models of Ray Ban stuff, any kind. many colors of wayfarer (sometimes the top and arms are multicolored, i found a few months ago a blue colored one, and saw a red/yellow/orange probably for ladies).
I use a greenish round glasses model, from B&L, on a nickeled frame, rarely seen. found it for about 4 bucks in a flea market... and have a few Wayfarer somewhere.
unfortunately a huge quantity of pirated models appeared on the market recently, (even oficial dealers don't want to keep selling the originals for such reason, here)----
just see site like this one ...
http://www.tradekey.com/ks-ray-ban/
I noticed that Michael Jackson (whose name is spelled wrong) is credited as wearing Wayfarers, but to my knowledge he never did. Michael Jackson is well know for wearing Aviators, but I have never seen a photo of him wearing Wayfarers.
Reply:
Michael Jackson was a prolific Wayfarer wearer. During the release of his Bad albumn and tour (in the late 80s) Michael was regularly seen wearing Wayfarers in photographs, public appearances and television interviews. There are innumerable photographs and video clips of him wearing them during this period. In fact, the inner sleeve of the Bad LP features a photshoot of Jackson wearing Wayfarers.
e.g.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/img87.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/98.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/img55.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/cimg675.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/images2434.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/1.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/Lover_B/MJNO%20PIxs/46.jpg
a while ago chloe sevigny started wearing a pair of white wayfarers (that she said her mother got for her in a thirft store in CT). this was the start of the recent revival of these kinds of sunglasses, as they became more and more popular in hollywood/ny after she started wearing them. this was noted in a few fashion magazines (that she started the trend). don't know if this should be mentioned here or it's notable/sourceable info. i did add her to the lsit of celebrity wearers. -- Doinelita 02:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
"constant namedropping in Bret Easton Ellis' fiction, particularly Less Than Zero."
I dispute this. There's a lot of sunglasses wearing mentioned, but he doesn't specify wayfarers in particular at all. He does, however, namedrop them a lot in "The Informers".
This is a short article, but that's OK at GA so long as the subject is adequately covered, In this case though, I don't believe that it is. The article does a reasonable job looking at the fashion and sales aspects of the Ray-Ban Wayfarers, but it's not comprehensive enough in dealing with other areas. For instance it tells me nothing about the technical specification of the lenses. What is it now? Is it the same now as when the design was introduced in 1952? What was Ray Stegeman's brief when he designed the glasses? Who was he designing them for? How were they initially received by the marketplace? Were they instantly successful?
So far as the material that is here is concerned, I've got a few more detailed comments:
In summary, I think this article needs a good deal more work before it can be listed as a GA. I hope that the editors will continue to work on it, and that it can soon be nominated again. In the meantime though I've got not no option other than to fail this nomination, because of the amount of work I think there is left still to be done. If you believe that this review is in error, please feel to take it to WP:GAR.
-- Malleus Fatuarum 19:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Apparently Adam Savage wears Wayfarers. http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9801967776/m/1391909069 — NRen2k5( TALK), 03:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC) <a href=" http://www.oakley-rayban.com">oakley sunglasses</a>
I added an external link for the popular seller of Ray-Ban sunglasses. I thought that corresponded well with the rest of the article and the Ray-Ban article has that link, so I figured it would be helpful to include that on here as well. Sed2535 ( talk) 04:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
The glasses in the pictures are apparently not Wayfarers. Hepburn's appear to be bigger and more rounded. Some people claim these were made by Oliver Goldsmith. The temples of Kennedy's don't look like Wayfarer temples at all. The references to Bob Dylan and Andy Warhol are questionable as well. Try to google for pictures of the wearing Wayfarers and all you'll find are pictures of them wearing similar styles.
Finally found a good picture of Hepburn's glasses in Breakfast at Tiffany's. These are definitely not Wayfarers. [1] And I highly doubt the claim that this is a discontinued, oversized style. Too bad the only source for that claim is not available anymore. I guess most claims about icons of the 50's and 60's making them popular are just myths and this article helps to promote them. Great marketing for Ray-Ban.
Starman1984 ( talk) 00:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Upon further pondering, the statement that Hepburn wore a discontinued oversized style doesn't make much sense. If it was a different style, it would not have been called Wayfarer, even if it was a Ray-Ban model. Ray-Ban made many similar styles back then, such as the Meteor or the Myth. [1] Many manufacturers made models clearly inspired by different Ray-Ban models, Foremost for instance. [2] Starman1984 ( talk) 18:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Here's a source debunking the Kennedy-Wayfarer-Myth: [3] I read somewhere that Hepburn's shades in Breakfast at Tiffany's were made by Persol, tho the truth of that statement is questionable, since "Persol was introduced to the United States in 1962" (WP Article Persol) I am under the impression that either Luxottica itself (or its avid fans) tries to absorb any and all sunglasses even remotely resembling Ray Bans into their marketing strategy (then again, is the "Celebrity Tested" Campaign even original? it falsely states hepburn wore model 2140, the modern re-interpretation of B&L5022). Here's an interesting site trying to debunk the Hepburn-Wayfarer-Myth http://hollygolightlysunglasses.com/ and to debunk yet another myth: http://faosaeyewear.com/Legends_In_Faosa_Eyeglasses.html 93.200.21.187 ( talk) 08:32, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Here's chronological list of changes that have been made to the design over the years:
I still need quoteable sources and exact dates for all of these. If you happen come across any source of information, please let me know! Starman1984 ( talk) 18:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
(moved from Roguegeek's talk page)
Hi Roguegeek,
I strongly disagree with your choice of lead image for the Wayfarer article. First and foremost it doesn't show the actual subject of the article. The "New Wayfarer" model sure deserves it's mention and an image, but not at the top of the page. I think that position should be used for an image of an actual "Wayfarer" model, as it is a fashion classic and the reason the Wayfarer article exists in the first place.
Furthermore, the image quality of the picture you chose leaves a lot to be desired. On first glance it looks quite professional with its perfectly white background, but one can hardly make out any details. The whole front of the glasses appears as one solid black surface. The image in the "1990s decline and 2001 redesign" section is way better, even though the angle is odd.
The image of the 1980's sunglasses is not only representative of the 1980's. It's what Wayfarers looked like for decades. Moreover it shows off the subtleties of the design fairly well. In my opinion the encyclopedic value of the 80's "Wayfarer" image is far bigger than that of the "New Wayfarer" one.
Best regards
Starman1984 ( talk) 15:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
"The reason for this mistake stems from the fact that both Persol and Ray-Ban are owned by parent company Luxottica, and it is commonplace to see similar designs in both companies."
I read this and doubted the the truth behind it because Ray-Ban was not sold to Luxottica until 1999 according to the Ray-Ban article. Obviously, Breakfast at tiffany's came out before that. Can someone clarify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.35.50.189 ( talk) 01:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm removing the Persol reference. There's no source for this piece of information. Maybe somebody is trying to create a new myth. Hepburn's frames were supposedly made by Oliver Goldsmith, but I couldn't find a decent quoteable source for that yet... Starman1984 ( talk) 18:14, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Large portions of this article are just name dropping. I think it's getting out of control. Everybody's trying to add his favorite Wayfarer-wearer to the list. To keep this article useful, I suggest we separate the name dropping from the more relevant pieces of information by creating a new section. Starman1984 ( talk) 18:19, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
We don't need the definitive article top open with here. It looks clumsy. -- 82.41.20.82 ( talk) 19:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
"Though the sunglasses had faded from the limelight by the 1970s, a lucrative 1982 product placement deal brought Wayfarers to their height of popularity."
Having grown up in the 80's (I can imagine the references, such as "The Terminator", "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" and "Risky Business") there are no links or information supporting this claim. Considering this statement provides a direct link to a higher topic (product placement), evidence should be included.
"...the sunglasses had faded from the limelight by the 1970s"... according to who?
"a lucrative 1982 product placement deal brought Wayfarers to their height of popularity."... what deal? with who? when? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Der zukünftige Führer von Amerika ( talk • contribs) 22:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Were these also the glasses used in Men In Black and referenced in the Will Smith song of the same name? Garvin Talk 04:49, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
I have noticed that Wayfarer is often used generically as a term for faux horn-rimmed glasses in general, even for regular eyeglasses, but see no mention of this in the article. You can see a lot of eyeglass designs from the 50s and 60s which these days are frequently described generically as Wayfarer style. No doubt it is a classic design, but to what extent did Ray-Ban actually pioneer it? It seems quite similar to other horn-rimmed glasses of the time, like those Buddy Holly wore in the 50s. Was the Wayfarer truly as 'revolutionary' and 'a radical new shape' as the article states? Perhaps 'revolutionary' as a brand, but the design seems quite conventional. Dforest ( talk) 08:45, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
This page says the Wayfarer originated in 1956. I happened to notice on Amazon the claim was designed in 1952, a claim repeated on Ray-Ban's site. ( http://www.ray-ban.com/usa/sunglasses/RB2140%20unisex%201-ORIGINAL%20WAYFARER%20CLASSIC-Black/805289126577). How does Wikipedia resolve such issues?
This article is an insult to Wikipedia. It's as if Rayban paid a slimey marketing guy to write it. The notice at the top about rewriting it in a neutral style is just silly. The onus shouldn't be on new authors to "rewrite" it, most of it should just be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.176.129 ( talk) 04:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Since there's a market for pre Luxottica Wayfarers, I wonder which, if any, details have changed between '52 and '98? Some sources say that the etched BL Logo in the glasses was not introduced until the late 1970s and that the screen printed (removable?!?) Logo on the lense was introduced late in 1982. I have yet to find any word on when the tags on the temples were introduced or when (if) the model number stamping of the 5024 changed from using a "4" that's open at the top to one that's closed (or vice versa?). Since WP always pushes itself into the face of everybody, posing as the number one source for information, I would expect such facts to be found here. 93.200.10.89 ( talk) 09:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
It is understood that, in the beginning, Bausch & Lomb produced Wayfarers in two sizes, marked "B&L 5022" and "B&L 5024". It is also understood that those numbers determine the width of the lens (50mm) and the width of the bridge or distance between the lenses (22 or 24mm). But what is the meaning of the codes imprinted on the rear end of the temple/earpiece, such as "L2009", "L2053", "XNAW", "PSAW", "XRAS", "YNAS". I've seen them on several Bausch & Lomb Wayfarers that have the Ray-Ban Logo on the earpiece/temple. Some of them still had the common B&L 5022 or 5024 imprinted on the frame. Please enlighten me! 79.214.114.40 ( talk) 16:08, 26 August 2021 (UTC)