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1. The map of India used is wrong for the state of Jammu & Kashmir. Can it be deleted? Also, the population is shown as 0,97 million. Is this 970,000? Maybe needs to be more clear.
2. The map of India is a partial. 'Jammu and Kashmir' landscape has been altered. Can you please replace the image with Complete India map image. - Srinibas
...Ponnuthammbi Pillai, moved the Paris court and won the case in which he was awarded a penalty by a French Magistrate in Pondicherry for walking into the court with footwear.
I would think it was probably withOUT footwear
Texteditor 19:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
On several occasions, the articles contains statements such as The elections were rigged etc. I know little about the topic, but I think that accusations, especially accusations with possible political biases, should come with a source. David.Monniaux 13:05, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
good luck... hydkat 09:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Please do change the second map .its not the truth
This article should be about present-day Pondicherry and less about the [History of Pondicherry] for which we can have a seperate entry?
I would prefer the article shortened to give more details about the present-day Pondicherry Union-Territory.
hydkat 09:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Is Tamil and French the only official languages of Pondicherry? I dont think they speak tamil or french in Mahé or Yamen. Also, the Malayalam language page says Malayalam is an official language of pondicherry. Perhaps someone can sort out this inconsistency. -- thunderboltza.k.a.D eepu_Joseph | TALK 14:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
If this is in face the case, concerning the name PoNdicherry:
At some point, the hand-written 'u' was mistaken for an 'n', and the misspelling stuck.
Then how does this explain, necessarily the following:
The territory is called புதுச்சேரி (Putuccēri) or பாண்டிச்சேரி (Pāṇṭiccēri) in Tamil, పుదుచ్చేరి (Puduccēri) in Telugu, and പോത്തുച്ചേരി (Pōttuccēri) or പോണ്ടിച്ചേരി (Pōṇṭiccēri) in Malayalam
A spelling mistake seems unlikely? Are there any sources to show this? was it called Panticceri and Ponticceri at all before the French arrived?
There is little reference to the Sri Aurobindo Ashram in this article. From 1910 onwards, when the yogi / philosopher Aurobindo Ghose arrived in Pondicherry, his Ashram has had a substantial influence, including changing the very 'feel' of the town, putting Pondicherry on the world map, and preserving the architectual heritage in the white town. Something more needs to be written about this...
Are you referring to Auroville? As far as I know, since I reside there, the Sri Aurobindo Ashram is in the centre of "white-town" Pondicherry. Auro.ghosh 15:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Finally the law renaming the UT passed and now the official name is Puducherry. I think it is normal to change also here the name the same as for Mumbai and Chennai. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल talk-फेन मा 18:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
If I understand correctly, the name of the Union Territory is Puducherry, but its main enclave is still officially - Pondicherry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.134.182 ( talk) 16:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I've copy edited the first paragraph for greater clarity; however, I feel that the story about the "u" being mistaken for a "n" seems dubious, and not appropriate to an encylopedia. It needs to be reliably sourced (and not simply linked to a newspaper web site). Until such time as the reference appears, I have removed the sentence. Fowler&fowler 06:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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I don't understand why the expletive was added after the "Roads" heading, but I cleaned it up by removing the expletive. If there is some reason for profanity on this page, for example, a political reason, it would be interesting to explore B1234 21:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC) |
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On several occasions, the articles contains statements such as The elections were rigged etc. I know little about the topic, but I think that accusations, especially accusations with possible political biases, should come with a source. David.Monniaux 13:05, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
good luck... hydkat 09:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Please do change the second map .its not the truth
...Ponnuthammbi Pillai, moved the Paris court and won the case in which he was awarded a penalty by a French Magistrate in Pondicherry for walking into the court with footwear.
I would think it was probably withOUT footwear
Texteditor 19:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I've copy edited the first paragraph for greater clarity; however, I feel that the story about the "u" being mistaken for a "n" seems dubious, and not appropriate to an encylopedia. It needs to be reliably sourced (and not simply linked to a newspaper web site). Until such time as the reference appears, I have removed the sentence. Fowler&fowler 06:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
This article should be about present-day Pondicherry and less about the [History of Pondicherry] for which we can have a seperate entry?
I would prefer the article shortened to give more details about the present-day Pondicherry Union-Territory.
hydkat 09:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Finally the law renaming the UT passed and now the official name is Puducherry. I think it is normal to change also here the name the same as for Mumbai and Chennai. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल talk-फेन मा 18:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
If I understand correctly, the name of the Union Territory is Puducherry, but its main enclave is still officially - Pondicherry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.134.182 ( talk) 16:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
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Where are the districts? Someone must have access to a decent map they can post 63.26.116.103 ( talk) 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)eric
This article has way too many redlinks for a B class article - they should either be removed or de-linked. – ukexpat ( talk) 15:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
There is little reference to the Sri Aurobindo Ashram in this article. From 1910 onwards, when the yogi / philosopher Aurobindo Ghose arrived in Pondicherry, his Ashram has had a substantial influence, including changing the very 'feel' of the town, putting Pondicherry on the world map, and preserving the architectual heritage in the white town. Something more needs to be written about this...
Are you referring to Auroville? As far as I know, since I reside there, the Sri Aurobindo Ashram is in the centre of "white-town" Pondicherry. Auro.ghosh 15:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Pretty much the whole "History" section has no citations at all. I could not find any supporting research from a quick Google search either. Can the original author add cites? Chromic ( talk) 04:24, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I see one citation was added for the History section (Thanks to Jai Kumara Yesappa), but the rest of the section is still unreferenced. Especially the first paragraph has statements like "various references", or "more than one writer", these don't really count as cites. See WP:Verify and WP:Cite for what constitutes a good reference. Chromic ( talk) 06:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Not done. No consensus or evidence to support guideline to change. DMacks ( talk) 00:07, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Puducherry → Pondicherry — As the article says, this is "still popularly known" as Pondicherry, the name it has borne in English since the city was founded; we don't do WP:Official names. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Comment Let's see how
this googlefight goes:
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victor falk
talk 04:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Is Tamil and French the only official languages of Pondicherry? I dont think they speak tamil or french in Mahé or Yamen. Also, the Malayalam language page says Malayalam is an official language of pondicherry. Perhaps someone can sort out this inconsistency. -- thunderboltza.k.a.D eepu_Joseph | TALK 14:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there a correct interwikis in this article? For example, not exist article in russian Пондишери, but exist Пудучерри... -- Treisijs ( talk) 12:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
I googled this page to get the dates the French left, but this is hidden away. I like the fact that I can google a famous figure and see the main dates in the two lines shown so I don't have to click the links.
People will come to this page if they want to find out about Pondicherry's role in colonial India, and these students should be catered for. It would be like an 'England' page skipping over Willliam the Conqueror but saying in section 3 that we do have quite a few French words in the English language due to 1066.
Or like a page about North America starting with the Pilgrim Fathers and then jumping straight to the Declaration of Independence. Though in fairness, many of them do.
( Ganpati23 ( talk) 01:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC))
I'm not sure why there's so much confusion about Pondicherry or Puducherry. The Indian Govt. renamed the place in 2006 to Puducherry and the offical name of the local govt is Puducherry. It doesn't matter what everyone else calls it. The official name is always what the govt calls it. So it should be called Puducherry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mushroom9 ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. This is a clear-cut WP:ENGVAR issue with particularly strong national ties, and there appears to be no argument that "Puducherry" has become far and away more common in Indian English sources. Appeals to "Pondicherry" as the common name without accounting for the national ties were given less consideration. Some editors advocated "Pondicherry" per WP:COMMONALITY; however, it appears that "Puducherry" has become increasingly common in foreign sources as well, and that trend is likely to continue. Cúchullain t/ c 17:31, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Pondicherry →
Puducherry –
It is requested to move protect the article after moving or not moving to requested title I can see a 2010 long
move request discussion which ended with "no consensus". That requested move was done some time later but I could not find any discussion. The current article title is "Pondicherry", in the edit mode, I saw this text: {{DISPLAYTITLE:Puducherry}}. Anyway,
Official site,
several reliable newspapers are also using the requested name. So, I think we should stop saying the old point "Common name" and move the article now!
Tito Dutta (
talk) 20:17, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
In this article and also in
Talk:Bangalore
WP:COMMONNAME is being quoted to oppose the move. But, the explanation and examples in that page does not completely match here. For example there it is written 1) we use
Confucius (not Kong Qiu, Kong Fuzi, or K'ung Fu-tzu), we use
Guinea pig (not Cavia porcellus) 2)as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources, but here the requested titles are also accepted and used
Now the question is if the alternative name (which is also the official name) is also accepted and regularly used by "reliable English language sources" (unlike Kong Qiu or Cavia porcellus), then what? Should we move ahead with time or wait? --
Tito Dutta (
talk) 13:11, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the English of that nation. For example:
- Great Fire of London (British English)
- American Civil War (American English)
- Institutions of the European Union (British or Irish English)
- Australian Defence Force (Australian English)
- Vancouver, B.C. (Canadian English)
- Usain Bolt (Jamaican Standard English)
- Taj Mahal (Indian English)
This discussion has been copied to Talk:Pondicherry (city). Please add any further comments there. Skinsmoke ( talk) 15:51, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Note: I moved Pondicherry (city) to Pondicherry since disambiguation is no longer necessary. Feel free to let me know if this was not a good idea. -- regentspark ( comment) 18:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know about that. The fact that the territory was formerly located there suggests readers who type in or click on "Pondicherry" are looking for that article. The city's name look like it's been changed as well. [1] Cúchullain t/ c 19:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Since this city is the most prominent area in the union territory and the city article has links of the district and the union territory, the reader won't get lost. As far as I know, the city, the district and the union territory all are now known as Puducherry. However, it may take some more time for Wikipedia editors to accept that.-- GDibyendu ( talk) 19:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- I got the impression from the RM above that the city was still known as Pondicherry? An alternative is to make Pondicherry a disambiguation page and keep the city article at Pondicherry (city). I'm personally unsure as to whether the city or the UT is the primary topic (except that most Chennaites, the ones I know anyway, don't really differentiate and refer to the place as Pondy).
- I think we need clarification on this. If the city is still widely known as Pondicherry, but the territory is known as Puducherry, the city should (presumably) be at Pondicherry. However, if the city has also become known as Puducherry, then we need some real evidence as to which article readers are looking for when they type in "Pondicherry" - and possibly an RM for the city. The fact that this article was formerly located at that title suggests the territory may the better target for the redirect. Cúchullain t/ c 21:17, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- There is much more confusion over the city, than there is over the territory. As far as I could see, last time I looked, the city change had not been finally approved (a bit like Bangalore). There are consequently a considerable number of sources, even in India, that still refer to the city as Pondicherry. However, there are also many sources that now refer to all three (the territory, district and city) as Puducherry. A case could be made out that the common use of the city is now Puducherry, but it isn't anything like as clear as the case for the territory. I've added a hatnote (not a very good one) to the city article in the meantime. If anyone can improve on it, please do. Skinsmoke ( talk) 11:49, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Incidentally, in the two moves, the Talk page for the city has become detached from the article page, and the territory Talk page substituted. The link needs restoring urgently. Skinsmoke ( talk) 11:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- I was going to undo the move while we discuss this but cuc beat me to it. All fixed for now. -- regentspark ( comment) 13:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, guess I got to it first. It probably bears further discussion as to what should be located, or redirected, where. I've also created a dab page at Pondicherry (disambiguation); honestly, that might should be at Pondicherry, at least until we figure out what readers are typically looking for when typing in "Pondicherry".-- Cúchullain t/ c 13:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Right now, Pondicherry is redirecting to Puducherry (this article page), but probably it would be better to redirect it to the city page. Most often, when people talk about Pondicherry, they would usually mean the city. The UT consists of 3 other districts, Mahe is surrounded by Kerala, Yanam is surrounded by Andhra Pradesh. The other two, Pondicherry city and Karaikal are surrounded by Tamil Nadu. What I mean to say is this: if I say I am going travel to Pondicherry, then I would mean the city or at most Karaikal too, but not the other two places, Yanam and Mahe, as they are far away from the Pondicherry city. If I am planning to go to Yanam, then most likely I would use the name Yanam rather than referring to Pondicherry.-- GDibyendu ( talk) 06:27, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- I would leave things as they are for the time being. Firstly, the incoming links at both the territory and city pages need checking. Many are simply linking to the wrong article. There are hundreds of incoming links, and I have started to go through those linking to the territory. I've checked about 600 so far.
- Secondly, we need to avoid the mess that occurred when, following the territory move, the city article was moved to Pondicherry. This resulted in the city talkpage becoming detached (and vanishing into the great white void), and the territory talk page attaching itself to the city article, and had to be undone by Cúchullain.
- It is also worth remembering that the territory page was at Pondicherry because it had been deemed to be the primary meaning. Unless things have changed, the primary meaning would still be the redirect to the territory. There may well be an argument that the city is now the primary meaning, but even in your suggestion you acknowledge that the primary meaning of Pondicherry is unclear: it could possibly even be Pondicherry district.
- In any case, let's get the cleanup from the territory move sorted first, and check the incoming links to the city article, and then maybe look at this in a couple of months time when things have settled down. Skinsmoke ( talk) 12:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the undiscussed move of this article to Puducherry (Union Territory). Considering how confused our articles on the various entities known as "Puducherry"/"Pondicherry" are already, that would really need to be discussed first.-- Cúchullain t/ c 14:13, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Cúchullain has outlined the situation well in his closing comments on the move request in January 2013. There doesn't seem to be any change or new significant evidence to the contrary. Chamal T• C 04:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Puducherry →
Pondicherry (Union Territory) – The previous discussion is several years old, the more common in English both in India and especially elsewhere is Pondicherry, and even the government in official publications uses Pondicherry for the territory. See for example:Usage
here by Panchayat Informatics Division in the National Panchayat Directory; and Only Kerala and Pondicherry have sex ratio in favor of females for all the areas, Manipur has preponderance of females in urban areas (1009). from [
Census 2011: Gender Composition].
Bejnar (
talk) 20:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The article could do with a concise discussion about how the territory was formed, and the basis of the handover from the French government, dates, reference to any treaty. These components seem relevant to understanding the basis of the existing structure, especially related to the discontiguous nature of the state and why they were not incorporated to their surrounding states, and how they may have a difference in nature due to their colonial nature. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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I took the liberty of replacing the top map by another one I found in Wikipedia Commons. Much better map. I also simplified the introductory paragraph. Most of the info I deleted is found in the 2nd paragraph. I think it make for easier reading. -- Lubiesque ( talk) 20:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I find the colored map of India is not right one. India occupied J&K has a different color comparing other states. As J&K is a democratic part of india and india holds public election for governance, its part of India's constitution. The map needs to be replaced immediately making the color of indian states same including J&K --
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Rework of intro for added clarity
Puducherry, ( /ˌpɒndɪˈtʃɛri/; literally New Town in Tamil) [1] and formerly known as Pondicherry (Pāṇṭiccēri) is a union territory of India. It was formed out of four exclaves of former French India, namely Pondicherry, Karaikal, Yanam and Mahe. The union territory (UT) was named after the largest district Pondicherry, and changed its official name to Puducherry (Putuccēri) on 20 September 2006. [2]
Puducherry lies in the southern part of the Indian Peninsula. The areas of Puducherry and Karaikal are bound by the state of Tamil Nadu, while Yanam is enclosed by the state of Andhra Pradesh and Mayyazhi (Malayalam for Mahe) by Kerala. As of 2005, Puducherry was the 29th most populous and the third most densely populated state/UT in India. It has a GDP of ₹0.21 lakh crore (US$2.6 billion) and ranks 27th in India. [3]
Two articles that are similar
History of Puducherry and French India — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bnitin ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
References
If this is in face the case, concerning the name PoNdicherry:
At some point, the hand-written 'u' was mistaken for an 'n', and the misspelling stuck.
Then how does this explain, necessarily the following:
The territory is called புதுச்சேரி (Putuccēri) or பாண்டிச்சேரி (Pāṇṭiccēri) in Tamil, పుదుచ్చేరి (Puduccēri) in Telugu, and പോത്തുച്ചേരി (Pōttuccēri) or പോണ്ടിച്ചേരി (Pōṇṭiccēri) in Malayalam
A spelling mistake seems unlikely? Are there any sources to show this? was it called Panticceri and Ponticceri at all before the French arrived?
I found the following Government of India documents, which have a preface in Tamil, French and English.
✘ anonymousвهii 20:05, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Anonymousboii, I have reverted your edits as you did not address any of the concerns I raised in my earlier edit summary and in the discussion on my talk page. Instead, you seem to have added my observation to the article when doing so would be WP:OR. — Gazoth ( talk) 12:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Dear fellow Wikipedians, Can you plaesewipe this page clean of all the discussions prior to 2010..…. Also I think all the sections have valid citations. So please remove the improper citation template... Cheers. ANUPAM DUTTA 12:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anupamdutta73 ( talk • contribs)
The result of the move request was: moved first two, not moved city. Necrothesp's support would leave Puducherry redirecting to a qualified title; since most of the topics in the disambiguation page are titled Puducherry, moving the dab there rather than redirecting Puducherry to Pondicherry (disambiguation). -- JHunterJ ( talk) 12:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
– Both "Puducherry" and its alternative spelling "Pondicherry" could mean either a union territory, a district, a taluk or a city. This means that neither "Puducherry" nor "Pondicherry" has a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Therefore, I am requesting to disambiguate both the union territory and the city, and undisambiguate the dab page à la Jammu and Kashmir. Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 16:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
-- Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 16:38, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
1. The map of India used is wrong for the state of Jammu & Kashmir. Can it be deleted? Also, the population is shown as 0,97 million. Is this 970,000? Maybe needs to be more clear.
2. The map of India is a partial. 'Jammu and Kashmir' landscape has been altered. Can you please replace the image with Complete India map image. - Srinibas
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1. The map of India used is wrong for the state of Jammu & Kashmir. Can it be deleted? Also, the population is shown as 0,97 million. Is this 970,000? Maybe needs to be more clear.
2. The map of India is a partial. 'Jammu and Kashmir' landscape has been altered. Can you please replace the image with Complete India map image. - Srinibas
...Ponnuthammbi Pillai, moved the Paris court and won the case in which he was awarded a penalty by a French Magistrate in Pondicherry for walking into the court with footwear.
I would think it was probably withOUT footwear
Texteditor 19:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
On several occasions, the articles contains statements such as The elections were rigged etc. I know little about the topic, but I think that accusations, especially accusations with possible political biases, should come with a source. David.Monniaux 13:05, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
good luck... hydkat 09:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Please do change the second map .its not the truth
This article should be about present-day Pondicherry and less about the [History of Pondicherry] for which we can have a seperate entry?
I would prefer the article shortened to give more details about the present-day Pondicherry Union-Territory.
hydkat 09:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Is Tamil and French the only official languages of Pondicherry? I dont think they speak tamil or french in Mahé or Yamen. Also, the Malayalam language page says Malayalam is an official language of pondicherry. Perhaps someone can sort out this inconsistency. -- thunderboltza.k.a.D eepu_Joseph | TALK 14:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
If this is in face the case, concerning the name PoNdicherry:
At some point, the hand-written 'u' was mistaken for an 'n', and the misspelling stuck.
Then how does this explain, necessarily the following:
The territory is called புதுச்சேரி (Putuccēri) or பாண்டிச்சேரி (Pāṇṭiccēri) in Tamil, పుదుచ్చేరి (Puduccēri) in Telugu, and പോത്തുച്ചേരി (Pōttuccēri) or പോണ്ടിച്ചേരി (Pōṇṭiccēri) in Malayalam
A spelling mistake seems unlikely? Are there any sources to show this? was it called Panticceri and Ponticceri at all before the French arrived?
There is little reference to the Sri Aurobindo Ashram in this article. From 1910 onwards, when the yogi / philosopher Aurobindo Ghose arrived in Pondicherry, his Ashram has had a substantial influence, including changing the very 'feel' of the town, putting Pondicherry on the world map, and preserving the architectual heritage in the white town. Something more needs to be written about this...
Are you referring to Auroville? As far as I know, since I reside there, the Sri Aurobindo Ashram is in the centre of "white-town" Pondicherry. Auro.ghosh 15:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Finally the law renaming the UT passed and now the official name is Puducherry. I think it is normal to change also here the name the same as for Mumbai and Chennai. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल talk-फेन मा 18:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
If I understand correctly, the name of the Union Territory is Puducherry, but its main enclave is still officially - Pondicherry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.134.182 ( talk) 16:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I've copy edited the first paragraph for greater clarity; however, I feel that the story about the "u" being mistaken for a "n" seems dubious, and not appropriate to an encylopedia. It needs to be reliably sourced (and not simply linked to a newspaper web site). Until such time as the reference appears, I have removed the sentence. Fowler&fowler 06:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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I don't understand why the expletive was added after the "Roads" heading, but I cleaned it up by removing the expletive. If there is some reason for profanity on this page, for example, a political reason, it would be interesting to explore B1234 21:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC) |
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On several occasions, the articles contains statements such as The elections were rigged etc. I know little about the topic, but I think that accusations, especially accusations with possible political biases, should come with a source. David.Monniaux 13:05, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
good luck... hydkat 09:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Please do change the second map .its not the truth
...Ponnuthammbi Pillai, moved the Paris court and won the case in which he was awarded a penalty by a French Magistrate in Pondicherry for walking into the court with footwear.
I would think it was probably withOUT footwear
Texteditor 19:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I've copy edited the first paragraph for greater clarity; however, I feel that the story about the "u" being mistaken for a "n" seems dubious, and not appropriate to an encylopedia. It needs to be reliably sourced (and not simply linked to a newspaper web site). Until such time as the reference appears, I have removed the sentence. Fowler&fowler 06:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
This article should be about present-day Pondicherry and less about the [History of Pondicherry] for which we can have a seperate entry?
I would prefer the article shortened to give more details about the present-day Pondicherry Union-Territory.
hydkat 09:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Finally the law renaming the UT passed and now the official name is Puducherry. I think it is normal to change also here the name the same as for Mumbai and Chennai. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल talk-फेन मा 18:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
If I understand correctly, the name of the Union Territory is Puducherry, but its main enclave is still officially - Pondicherry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.134.182 ( talk) 16:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
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Where are the districts? Someone must have access to a decent map they can post 63.26.116.103 ( talk) 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)eric
This article has way too many redlinks for a B class article - they should either be removed or de-linked. – ukexpat ( talk) 15:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
There is little reference to the Sri Aurobindo Ashram in this article. From 1910 onwards, when the yogi / philosopher Aurobindo Ghose arrived in Pondicherry, his Ashram has had a substantial influence, including changing the very 'feel' of the town, putting Pondicherry on the world map, and preserving the architectual heritage in the white town. Something more needs to be written about this...
Are you referring to Auroville? As far as I know, since I reside there, the Sri Aurobindo Ashram is in the centre of "white-town" Pondicherry. Auro.ghosh 15:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Pretty much the whole "History" section has no citations at all. I could not find any supporting research from a quick Google search either. Can the original author add cites? Chromic ( talk) 04:24, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I see one citation was added for the History section (Thanks to Jai Kumara Yesappa), but the rest of the section is still unreferenced. Especially the first paragraph has statements like "various references", or "more than one writer", these don't really count as cites. See WP:Verify and WP:Cite for what constitutes a good reference. Chromic ( talk) 06:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Not done. No consensus or evidence to support guideline to change. DMacks ( talk) 00:07, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Puducherry → Pondicherry — As the article says, this is "still popularly known" as Pondicherry, the name it has borne in English since the city was founded; we don't do WP:Official names. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Comment Let's see how
this googlefight goes:
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victor falk
talk 04:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Is Tamil and French the only official languages of Pondicherry? I dont think they speak tamil or french in Mahé or Yamen. Also, the Malayalam language page says Malayalam is an official language of pondicherry. Perhaps someone can sort out this inconsistency. -- thunderboltza.k.a.D eepu_Joseph | TALK 14:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there a correct interwikis in this article? For example, not exist article in russian Пондишери, but exist Пудучерри... -- Treisijs ( talk) 12:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
I googled this page to get the dates the French left, but this is hidden away. I like the fact that I can google a famous figure and see the main dates in the two lines shown so I don't have to click the links.
People will come to this page if they want to find out about Pondicherry's role in colonial India, and these students should be catered for. It would be like an 'England' page skipping over Willliam the Conqueror but saying in section 3 that we do have quite a few French words in the English language due to 1066.
Or like a page about North America starting with the Pilgrim Fathers and then jumping straight to the Declaration of Independence. Though in fairness, many of them do.
( Ganpati23 ( talk) 01:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC))
I'm not sure why there's so much confusion about Pondicherry or Puducherry. The Indian Govt. renamed the place in 2006 to Puducherry and the offical name of the local govt is Puducherry. It doesn't matter what everyone else calls it. The official name is always what the govt calls it. So it should be called Puducherry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mushroom9 ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. This is a clear-cut WP:ENGVAR issue with particularly strong national ties, and there appears to be no argument that "Puducherry" has become far and away more common in Indian English sources. Appeals to "Pondicherry" as the common name without accounting for the national ties were given less consideration. Some editors advocated "Pondicherry" per WP:COMMONALITY; however, it appears that "Puducherry" has become increasingly common in foreign sources as well, and that trend is likely to continue. Cúchullain t/ c 17:31, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Pondicherry →
Puducherry –
It is requested to move protect the article after moving or not moving to requested title I can see a 2010 long
move request discussion which ended with "no consensus". That requested move was done some time later but I could not find any discussion. The current article title is "Pondicherry", in the edit mode, I saw this text: {{DISPLAYTITLE:Puducherry}}. Anyway,
Official site,
several reliable newspapers are also using the requested name. So, I think we should stop saying the old point "Common name" and move the article now!
Tito Dutta (
talk) 20:17, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
In this article and also in
Talk:Bangalore
WP:COMMONNAME is being quoted to oppose the move. But, the explanation and examples in that page does not completely match here. For example there it is written 1) we use
Confucius (not Kong Qiu, Kong Fuzi, or K'ung Fu-tzu), we use
Guinea pig (not Cavia porcellus) 2)as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources, but here the requested titles are also accepted and used
Now the question is if the alternative name (which is also the official name) is also accepted and regularly used by "reliable English language sources" (unlike Kong Qiu or Cavia porcellus), then what? Should we move ahead with time or wait? --
Tito Dutta (
talk) 13:11, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the English of that nation. For example:
- Great Fire of London (British English)
- American Civil War (American English)
- Institutions of the European Union (British or Irish English)
- Australian Defence Force (Australian English)
- Vancouver, B.C. (Canadian English)
- Usain Bolt (Jamaican Standard English)
- Taj Mahal (Indian English)
This discussion has been copied to Talk:Pondicherry (city). Please add any further comments there. Skinsmoke ( talk) 15:51, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Note: I moved Pondicherry (city) to Pondicherry since disambiguation is no longer necessary. Feel free to let me know if this was not a good idea. -- regentspark ( comment) 18:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know about that. The fact that the territory was formerly located there suggests readers who type in or click on "Pondicherry" are looking for that article. The city's name look like it's been changed as well. [1] Cúchullain t/ c 19:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Since this city is the most prominent area in the union territory and the city article has links of the district and the union territory, the reader won't get lost. As far as I know, the city, the district and the union territory all are now known as Puducherry. However, it may take some more time for Wikipedia editors to accept that.-- GDibyendu ( talk) 19:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- I got the impression from the RM above that the city was still known as Pondicherry? An alternative is to make Pondicherry a disambiguation page and keep the city article at Pondicherry (city). I'm personally unsure as to whether the city or the UT is the primary topic (except that most Chennaites, the ones I know anyway, don't really differentiate and refer to the place as Pondy).
- I think we need clarification on this. If the city is still widely known as Pondicherry, but the territory is known as Puducherry, the city should (presumably) be at Pondicherry. However, if the city has also become known as Puducherry, then we need some real evidence as to which article readers are looking for when they type in "Pondicherry" - and possibly an RM for the city. The fact that this article was formerly located at that title suggests the territory may the better target for the redirect. Cúchullain t/ c 21:17, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- There is much more confusion over the city, than there is over the territory. As far as I could see, last time I looked, the city change had not been finally approved (a bit like Bangalore). There are consequently a considerable number of sources, even in India, that still refer to the city as Pondicherry. However, there are also many sources that now refer to all three (the territory, district and city) as Puducherry. A case could be made out that the common use of the city is now Puducherry, but it isn't anything like as clear as the case for the territory. I've added a hatnote (not a very good one) to the city article in the meantime. If anyone can improve on it, please do. Skinsmoke ( talk) 11:49, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Incidentally, in the two moves, the Talk page for the city has become detached from the article page, and the territory Talk page substituted. The link needs restoring urgently. Skinsmoke ( talk) 11:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- I was going to undo the move while we discuss this but cuc beat me to it. All fixed for now. -- regentspark ( comment) 13:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, guess I got to it first. It probably bears further discussion as to what should be located, or redirected, where. I've also created a dab page at Pondicherry (disambiguation); honestly, that might should be at Pondicherry, at least until we figure out what readers are typically looking for when typing in "Pondicherry".-- Cúchullain t/ c 13:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Right now, Pondicherry is redirecting to Puducherry (this article page), but probably it would be better to redirect it to the city page. Most often, when people talk about Pondicherry, they would usually mean the city. The UT consists of 3 other districts, Mahe is surrounded by Kerala, Yanam is surrounded by Andhra Pradesh. The other two, Pondicherry city and Karaikal are surrounded by Tamil Nadu. What I mean to say is this: if I say I am going travel to Pondicherry, then I would mean the city or at most Karaikal too, but not the other two places, Yanam and Mahe, as they are far away from the Pondicherry city. If I am planning to go to Yanam, then most likely I would use the name Yanam rather than referring to Pondicherry.-- GDibyendu ( talk) 06:27, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- I would leave things as they are for the time being. Firstly, the incoming links at both the territory and city pages need checking. Many are simply linking to the wrong article. There are hundreds of incoming links, and I have started to go through those linking to the territory. I've checked about 600 so far.
- Secondly, we need to avoid the mess that occurred when, following the territory move, the city article was moved to Pondicherry. This resulted in the city talkpage becoming detached (and vanishing into the great white void), and the territory talk page attaching itself to the city article, and had to be undone by Cúchullain.
- It is also worth remembering that the territory page was at Pondicherry because it had been deemed to be the primary meaning. Unless things have changed, the primary meaning would still be the redirect to the territory. There may well be an argument that the city is now the primary meaning, but even in your suggestion you acknowledge that the primary meaning of Pondicherry is unclear: it could possibly even be Pondicherry district.
- In any case, let's get the cleanup from the territory move sorted first, and check the incoming links to the city article, and then maybe look at this in a couple of months time when things have settled down. Skinsmoke ( talk) 12:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the undiscussed move of this article to Puducherry (Union Territory). Considering how confused our articles on the various entities known as "Puducherry"/"Pondicherry" are already, that would really need to be discussed first.-- Cúchullain t/ c 14:13, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Cúchullain has outlined the situation well in his closing comments on the move request in January 2013. There doesn't seem to be any change or new significant evidence to the contrary. Chamal T• C 04:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Puducherry →
Pondicherry (Union Territory) – The previous discussion is several years old, the more common in English both in India and especially elsewhere is Pondicherry, and even the government in official publications uses Pondicherry for the territory. See for example:Usage
here by Panchayat Informatics Division in the National Panchayat Directory; and Only Kerala and Pondicherry have sex ratio in favor of females for all the areas, Manipur has preponderance of females in urban areas (1009). from [
Census 2011: Gender Composition].
Bejnar (
talk) 20:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The article could do with a concise discussion about how the territory was formed, and the basis of the handover from the French government, dates, reference to any treaty. These components seem relevant to understanding the basis of the existing structure, especially related to the discontiguous nature of the state and why they were not incorporated to their surrounding states, and how they may have a difference in nature due to their colonial nature. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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I took the liberty of replacing the top map by another one I found in Wikipedia Commons. Much better map. I also simplified the introductory paragraph. Most of the info I deleted is found in the 2nd paragraph. I think it make for easier reading. -- Lubiesque ( talk) 20:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I find the colored map of India is not right one. India occupied J&K has a different color comparing other states. As J&K is a democratic part of india and india holds public election for governance, its part of India's constitution. The map needs to be replaced immediately making the color of indian states same including J&K --
talk —Preceding
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Rework of intro for added clarity
Puducherry, ( /ˌpɒndɪˈtʃɛri/; literally New Town in Tamil) [1] and formerly known as Pondicherry (Pāṇṭiccēri) is a union territory of India. It was formed out of four exclaves of former French India, namely Pondicherry, Karaikal, Yanam and Mahe. The union territory (UT) was named after the largest district Pondicherry, and changed its official name to Puducherry (Putuccēri) on 20 September 2006. [2]
Puducherry lies in the southern part of the Indian Peninsula. The areas of Puducherry and Karaikal are bound by the state of Tamil Nadu, while Yanam is enclosed by the state of Andhra Pradesh and Mayyazhi (Malayalam for Mahe) by Kerala. As of 2005, Puducherry was the 29th most populous and the third most densely populated state/UT in India. It has a GDP of ₹0.21 lakh crore (US$2.6 billion) and ranks 27th in India. [3]
Two articles that are similar
History of Puducherry and French India — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bnitin ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
References
If this is in face the case, concerning the name PoNdicherry:
At some point, the hand-written 'u' was mistaken for an 'n', and the misspelling stuck.
Then how does this explain, necessarily the following:
The territory is called புதுச்சேரி (Putuccēri) or பாண்டிச்சேரி (Pāṇṭiccēri) in Tamil, పుదుచ్చేరి (Puduccēri) in Telugu, and പോത്തുച്ചേരി (Pōttuccēri) or പോണ്ടിച്ചേരി (Pōṇṭiccēri) in Malayalam
A spelling mistake seems unlikely? Are there any sources to show this? was it called Panticceri and Ponticceri at all before the French arrived?
I found the following Government of India documents, which have a preface in Tamil, French and English.
✘ anonymousвهii 20:05, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Anonymousboii, I have reverted your edits as you did not address any of the concerns I raised in my earlier edit summary and in the discussion on my talk page. Instead, you seem to have added my observation to the article when doing so would be WP:OR. — Gazoth ( talk) 12:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Dear fellow Wikipedians, Can you plaesewipe this page clean of all the discussions prior to 2010..…. Also I think all the sections have valid citations. So please remove the improper citation template... Cheers. ANUPAM DUTTA 12:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anupamdutta73 ( talk • contribs)
The result of the move request was: moved first two, not moved city. Necrothesp's support would leave Puducherry redirecting to a qualified title; since most of the topics in the disambiguation page are titled Puducherry, moving the dab there rather than redirecting Puducherry to Pondicherry (disambiguation). -- JHunterJ ( talk) 12:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
– Both "Puducherry" and its alternative spelling "Pondicherry" could mean either a union territory, a district, a taluk or a city. This means that neither "Puducherry" nor "Pondicherry" has a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Therefore, I am requesting to disambiguate both the union territory and the city, and undisambiguate the dab page à la Jammu and Kashmir. Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 16:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
-- Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 16:38, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
1. The map of India used is wrong for the state of Jammu & Kashmir. Can it be deleted? Also, the population is shown as 0,97 million. Is this 970,000? Maybe needs to be more clear.
2. The map of India is a partial. 'Jammu and Kashmir' landscape has been altered. Can you please replace the image with Complete India map image. - Srinibas