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I've addressed the rest of the suggestions made in
the 2021 GA review. We should now be good to go for a second GAR. I recognise that I am not a major contributor to this article per
WP:GANI: "If you are not a significant contributor to the article, you must secure the consent of the significant contributors before nominating
". I'd like to nominate the article soon, so pinging the top five contributors: @
Ardenter: @
Iamthecheese44: @
Llewee: @
Surtsicna: @
Keivan.f:, what do you all think?
Tim O'Doherty (
talk) 18:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
I am of a slightly different opinion regarding the official appearances: that which will be trivial in the future is extraneous already. That is because notability is not temporary; there is nothing in the article that is good now that will ever expire. I must say that much of the Prince George of Wales#Official appearances looks like fluff to me: applauding in a video, being enthusiastic about a football game, accompanying his parents to a church service, standing on a balcony, attending a party, again standing on a balcony, and so on. I do not see why that belongs in an encyclopedic biography. Surtsicna ( talk) 21:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Tim O'Doherty: I know that I was not one of the users that you pinged. In addition, I do not have significant experience editing Prince George's Wikipedia article. However, as a fan of his father and a fanatic of royalty, I am deeply interested in the content of this article. Moreover, given that you requested an additional commentator and that I would like to someday say that I made the King of the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms's Wikipedia article a GA, I want to offer my own comments.
In general, I am satisfied with the organization of George's article. I would also offer the following constructive criticism from the perspective of an American (i.e. non-member of the Commonwealth of Nations) whose fellow citizens may not know much about royalty:
Please let me know if you have any questions regarding my comments. I would also be happy to formally review Prince George's Wikipedia article for GA status and offer even more feedback should you still intend to submit this page for a nomination. Hurricane Andrew ( 444) 02:51, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
George is still a child and will gain more of these distinctions later in life".
I have given the article a generous trim. The idea was to write in general terms (George attends events and accompanies his parents on tours) rather than listing every single thing he has done in public. I have also reorganized the section in a chronological order so that the article conforms to
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography. Doing so I have merged the Official appearances section into Upbringing, ridding the article of a section that inevitably turns an encyclopedic biography into a royal engagement diary.
I am also looking for sources that discuss George's role in events in a more general manner. There was once a time when I diligently kept the article free of sources such as Vanity Fair, as I believe this article can and should do better; I would appreciate help with replacing the ones that have crept in with the likes of BBC, The Guardian, Telegraph, etc.
Surtsicna (
talk) 08:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
I notice George is referred to here as Prince George of Wales. Where does this come from? Does someone somewhere along the line think that is his surname? Georgie is a Prince of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so "of Wales" is a bit superfluous. Anyway, SFAIK this territorial appellation/style is German, not British (Manfred von Richtofen, Alexander of Hesse: Rupert of Hentzau?); it hasn’t been used in England since the Middle Ages, and even then referred to a place of birth rather than a lordship (Edward of Woodstock, Henry of Monmouth). Also, unlike most of his princely rellies ,he doesn’t have peerage, yet, so he is simply Prince George (of the UK of GB and NI). Even then, his dad wasn’t Prince William of Cambridge, and his uncle isn’t Prince Harry of Sussex ( he’s Prince Henry (of GB and NI), (and) Duke of Sussex; two different/separate titles.
I note that the source (Harpers Bazaar?) doesn't say it's his official style, it simply says he is "now known as Prince George of Wales" and his new name at school "will be George Wales" ie. a name of convenience. When his dad was in the Army he was "Lieutenant Wales"—a name based on his father's title Prince of Wales—(presumably because Lieutenant Mountbatten-Windsor is a bit of a n mouthful to shout over the noise of a helicopter) but again, that was a name of convenience, not an official style. Where does this stuff come from? Swanny18 ( talk) 23:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Please change his age to ten GothicGolem29 ( talk) 23:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
I recently added a list of the prince's styles history. It looked like the following. (I don't know how to do bullet points on this part of Wikipedia, so imagine one behind every line)
22 July 2013 — 8 September 2022: His Royal Highness Prince George of Cambridge
8 September 2022 — 9 September 2022: His Royal Highness Prince George of Cornwall
9 September 2022 — present: His Royal Highness Prince George of Wales
It said it was removed because there is no source for the second title. The matter of the fact is, a prince or princess of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland without a peerage in their own right uses "of [father's or late father's highest peerage title]". Hence, that is why he was styled "of Cambridge" during the roughly day and a half before his father was appointed Prince of Wales
Example. Despite being 81,
Prince Michael of Kent was never given a peerage. He uses "of Kent" as it was his late father's highest title.
Another example. In the rare decision that either James, Earl of Wessex or Lady Louise Windsor decide to use the title of Prince or Princess, he or she would be styled "Prince James of Edinburgh" or "Princess Louise of Edinburgh".
The only exception to this is a prince or princess without a peerage who is child of the monarch. They are styled "The Prince/Princess [name]". An example of this is the late Elizabeth II's younger children excluding the now King Charles III. This is because the heir apparent is always Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay as you should know.
So, this is something that is just customary. StrawWord298944 ( talk) 16:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: AndrewPeterT ( talk · contribs) 04:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Please note that it is bedtime where I reside, and I will leave detailed comments as soon as I can tomorrow (March 27).
In the interest of full disclosure, I have left detailed feedback to improve content on the article's talk page on one occasion (but have not been involved with this article otherwise). If this counts as a "significant contribution" per WP:GAN/I#R2, please let me know and I will recuse immediately.
For now, I will end with this remark: Wow. In my 10 years on Wikipedia and being personally interested in the House of Windsor, I never would have guessed that one day, I would be scrutinizing the article on a future British king for its GA merits! And as a registered user, there was no way I was going to pass this opportunity to be part of Wikipedia, if not worldwide, history!
However, if permitted, I will definitely commit to objectively reviewing Prince George's article against the six criteria. Because I know that many people are going to consult his article in the years to come, I genuinely want to make my contribution here as productive as possible. AndrewPeterT ( talk) ( contribs) 04:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: MSincccc ( talk · contribs) 09:15, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Tim O'Doherty ( talk · contribs) 17:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Prose:
Done
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It's said that George spent his first months at Bodorgan Castle before moving to Kensington Palace sometime in 2014.
Australian prime minister, Tony Abbott" Done
Done
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Done Source says- "...has drawn criticism for satirizing the royal children and especially its take on 8-year-old Prince George, who is portrayed as entitled and conniving."
Sources:
Done Removed the unnecessary ones but retained a few like the one pertaining to his godparents.
Done
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Images:
Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 17:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Numbers picked at random:
Just the issue of Bodorgan Hall to be resolved then. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 14:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
i just made an edit which was reverted. I don't know what was the issue with my edit (and don't need clarification). I do know there's an incomplete sentence there which needs fixing. There's no subject or verb. Just a mention of the Obamas and a date. Clicking through on the link footnooted at the end of the paragraph and reading THAT makes it clear it should read that's when the Obamas were met. Someone should fix that so the edit sticks. synergy ( talk) 07:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
On date month year,...or like
On month date, yearas per WP: Proseline. Let me know if you have any further suggestions for the article and have a great day ahead. Regards. MSincccc ( talk) 07:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report. The week in which this happened: |
There is a request, submitted by Catfurball, for an audio version of this article to be created. For further information, see WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia. The rationale behind the request is: "Important". |
I've addressed the rest of the suggestions made in
the 2021 GA review. We should now be good to go for a second GAR. I recognise that I am not a major contributor to this article per
WP:GANI: "If you are not a significant contributor to the article, you must secure the consent of the significant contributors before nominating
". I'd like to nominate the article soon, so pinging the top five contributors: @
Ardenter: @
Iamthecheese44: @
Llewee: @
Surtsicna: @
Keivan.f:, what do you all think?
Tim O'Doherty (
talk) 18:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
I am of a slightly different opinion regarding the official appearances: that which will be trivial in the future is extraneous already. That is because notability is not temporary; there is nothing in the article that is good now that will ever expire. I must say that much of the Prince George of Wales#Official appearances looks like fluff to me: applauding in a video, being enthusiastic about a football game, accompanying his parents to a church service, standing on a balcony, attending a party, again standing on a balcony, and so on. I do not see why that belongs in an encyclopedic biography. Surtsicna ( talk) 21:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Tim O'Doherty: I know that I was not one of the users that you pinged. In addition, I do not have significant experience editing Prince George's Wikipedia article. However, as a fan of his father and a fanatic of royalty, I am deeply interested in the content of this article. Moreover, given that you requested an additional commentator and that I would like to someday say that I made the King of the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms's Wikipedia article a GA, I want to offer my own comments.
In general, I am satisfied with the organization of George's article. I would also offer the following constructive criticism from the perspective of an American (i.e. non-member of the Commonwealth of Nations) whose fellow citizens may not know much about royalty:
Please let me know if you have any questions regarding my comments. I would also be happy to formally review Prince George's Wikipedia article for GA status and offer even more feedback should you still intend to submit this page for a nomination. Hurricane Andrew ( 444) 02:51, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
George is still a child and will gain more of these distinctions later in life".
I have given the article a generous trim. The idea was to write in general terms (George attends events and accompanies his parents on tours) rather than listing every single thing he has done in public. I have also reorganized the section in a chronological order so that the article conforms to
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography. Doing so I have merged the Official appearances section into Upbringing, ridding the article of a section that inevitably turns an encyclopedic biography into a royal engagement diary.
I am also looking for sources that discuss George's role in events in a more general manner. There was once a time when I diligently kept the article free of sources such as Vanity Fair, as I believe this article can and should do better; I would appreciate help with replacing the ones that have crept in with the likes of BBC, The Guardian, Telegraph, etc.
Surtsicna (
talk) 08:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
I notice George is referred to here as Prince George of Wales. Where does this come from? Does someone somewhere along the line think that is his surname? Georgie is a Prince of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so "of Wales" is a bit superfluous. Anyway, SFAIK this territorial appellation/style is German, not British (Manfred von Richtofen, Alexander of Hesse: Rupert of Hentzau?); it hasn’t been used in England since the Middle Ages, and even then referred to a place of birth rather than a lordship (Edward of Woodstock, Henry of Monmouth). Also, unlike most of his princely rellies ,he doesn’t have peerage, yet, so he is simply Prince George (of the UK of GB and NI). Even then, his dad wasn’t Prince William of Cambridge, and his uncle isn’t Prince Harry of Sussex ( he’s Prince Henry (of GB and NI), (and) Duke of Sussex; two different/separate titles.
I note that the source (Harpers Bazaar?) doesn't say it's his official style, it simply says he is "now known as Prince George of Wales" and his new name at school "will be George Wales" ie. a name of convenience. When his dad was in the Army he was "Lieutenant Wales"—a name based on his father's title Prince of Wales—(presumably because Lieutenant Mountbatten-Windsor is a bit of a n mouthful to shout over the noise of a helicopter) but again, that was a name of convenience, not an official style. Where does this stuff come from? Swanny18 ( talk) 23:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Please change his age to ten GothicGolem29 ( talk) 23:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
I recently added a list of the prince's styles history. It looked like the following. (I don't know how to do bullet points on this part of Wikipedia, so imagine one behind every line)
22 July 2013 — 8 September 2022: His Royal Highness Prince George of Cambridge
8 September 2022 — 9 September 2022: His Royal Highness Prince George of Cornwall
9 September 2022 — present: His Royal Highness Prince George of Wales
It said it was removed because there is no source for the second title. The matter of the fact is, a prince or princess of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland without a peerage in their own right uses "of [father's or late father's highest peerage title]". Hence, that is why he was styled "of Cambridge" during the roughly day and a half before his father was appointed Prince of Wales
Example. Despite being 81,
Prince Michael of Kent was never given a peerage. He uses "of Kent" as it was his late father's highest title.
Another example. In the rare decision that either James, Earl of Wessex or Lady Louise Windsor decide to use the title of Prince or Princess, he or she would be styled "Prince James of Edinburgh" or "Princess Louise of Edinburgh".
The only exception to this is a prince or princess without a peerage who is child of the monarch. They are styled "The Prince/Princess [name]". An example of this is the late Elizabeth II's younger children excluding the now King Charles III. This is because the heir apparent is always Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay as you should know.
So, this is something that is just customary. StrawWord298944 ( talk) 16:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: MSincccc ( talk · contribs)
Reviewer: AndrewPeterT ( talk · contribs) 04:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Please note that it is bedtime where I reside, and I will leave detailed comments as soon as I can tomorrow (March 27).
In the interest of full disclosure, I have left detailed feedback to improve content on the article's talk page on one occasion (but have not been involved with this article otherwise). If this counts as a "significant contribution" per WP:GAN/I#R2, please let me know and I will recuse immediately.
For now, I will end with this remark: Wow. In my 10 years on Wikipedia and being personally interested in the House of Windsor, I never would have guessed that one day, I would be scrutinizing the article on a future British king for its GA merits! And as a registered user, there was no way I was going to pass this opportunity to be part of Wikipedia, if not worldwide, history!
However, if permitted, I will definitely commit to objectively reviewing Prince George's article against the six criteria. Because I know that many people are going to consult his article in the years to come, I genuinely want to make my contribution here as productive as possible. AndrewPeterT ( talk) ( contribs) 04:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: MSincccc ( talk · contribs) 09:15, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Tim O'Doherty ( talk · contribs) 17:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Prose:
Done
Done
Done
Done
Done
Done
It's said that George spent his first months at Bodorgan Castle before moving to Kensington Palace sometime in 2014.
Australian prime minister, Tony Abbott" Done
Done
Done
Done
Done
Done
Done
Done
Done
Done Source says- "...has drawn criticism for satirizing the royal children and especially its take on 8-year-old Prince George, who is portrayed as entitled and conniving."
Sources:
Done Removed the unnecessary ones but retained a few like the one pertaining to his godparents.
Done
Done
Images:
Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 17:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Numbers picked at random:
Just the issue of Bodorgan Hall to be resolved then. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty ( talk) 14:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
i just made an edit which was reverted. I don't know what was the issue with my edit (and don't need clarification). I do know there's an incomplete sentence there which needs fixing. There's no subject or verb. Just a mention of the Obamas and a date. Clicking through on the link footnooted at the end of the paragraph and reading THAT makes it clear it should read that's when the Obamas were met. Someone should fix that so the edit sticks. synergy ( talk) 07:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
On date month year,...or like
On month date, yearas per WP: Proseline. Let me know if you have any further suggestions for the article and have a great day ahead. Regards. MSincccc ( talk) 07:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)