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Although we were able to put done tags on a lot of the issues from the Peer Review the following are still outstanding: almost- instinct 13:39, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
2.1 Juvenilia &c.
2.2 Mature works
2.3 Poetic style
2.4 Prose non-fiction
Just to note there are few broken URLs in the article's references, perhaps jeopardizing its good article status (but the only thing preventing it from becoming an FA in my view). Sir Richardson ( talk) 15:04, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Is just one photo of the man sufficient ? Are there none available from when he was younger ? -- Beardo ( talk) 08:16, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I brought this up some time ago, but now I have found reference to it in print (Roger McGough (2005), Said and Done Random House), see the link below (scroll down a page or so to find the Larkin reference):
The interaction of two poets, and Roger McGough is quite well known (and has been nationally recognised - he has a CBE), is of some note. Especially as his correspondence with McGough is one of the few recorded instances of Larkin encouraging an aspiring fellow poet.
Motion's apparent omission in not noting Larkin's connection to the university hall of residence in Cottingham should not take precedence over an eyewitness account. The university owned houses in Cottingham, the student residents of which ate meals at Needler Hall, it is possible that Larkin was not resident in the hall but took his evening meals there in a similar manner. It is certain, however, that he ate there, and gave a begrudging Latin grace before the evening meal. As this is all in a published book I think that the bald statement that Larkin was in lodgings in Cottingham when he started work at Hull should be modified. Urselius ( talk) 15:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Currently the section in question reads: "In 1955 Larkin became University Librarian at the University of Hull, a post he would hold until his death. For his first year he lodged in bedsits." That second second sentence was including because in 1955 Larkin wrote "Mr Bleaney", his poem about lodging ("'This was Mr Bleaney's room'" it starts) almost- instinct 22:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Maybe a separate section on his interaction (and/or lack of it) with other writers (eg also Barbara Pym) would be the way forward? The material on Amis might be happier in such a place? Maybe somewhere in the Legacy section? And might there be a better term than "Legacy"? (IIRC correctly that's just a standard suggested title) almost- instinct 10:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
The first sentence of this article is a textbook example of the use of weasel words (pls see WP:WEASEL for explanation of weasel words). One can't just make a passive statement like "Larkin is widely regarded as one of the great English poets of the latter half of the twentieth century" without any attribution of this judgement. Otherwise, it simply expresses a contributors POV in the passive voice. Still, I think it's possible to communicate Larkin's importance as a poet without using weasel words. However, it would require editors to use actual references, preferrably with direct quotation/s. Jpcohen ( talk) 05:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
If anyone wants to look, the guidelines for citations in the lead are at WP:LEADCITE and for what to include at WP:MOSINTRO almost- instinct 14:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
A translation of this page on the Spanish Wikipedia has just been awarded Featured Article status. The irony of this is ... well, something ;-) almost- instinct 13:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
There is discussion starting at Talk:Patsy Strang on what to do with Patsy Strang and Monica Jones. Merge them here into a dedicated section (Larkin's personal relationships?), merge them together into a standalone article Philip Larkin's women?, leave them as they are, or simply redirect the titles here? SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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This article, in quite an early section, gives the title of one of Larkin's works as "All What Jazz", but I thought that it was called "All That Jazz". Vorbee ( talk) 08:29, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
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" In Hawkes's view, "Larkin's poetry ... revolves around two losses": the "loss of modernism", which manifests itself as "the desire to find a moment of epiphany", and "the loss of England, or rather the loss of the British Empire, which requires England to define itself in its own terms when previously it could define 'Englishness' in opposition to something else."[93]" and the phrase "loss of modernism" is unclear. Further down the article says that Larkin not unwillingly acquired a reputations as "an enemy of modernism". So why would his poetry revolve around the loss of something he hated? And what would that even mean? The reference is to a hard copy book that I can't consult. How about a quote from the book long enough that readers can see from the context what "modernism" refers to here? Arctic Gazelle ( talk) 18:37, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Lots of overlap between the two articles. Randykitty ( talk) 19:00, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
There is a brief mention that Larkin worked for the university library for thirty years, but nothing is said about when he retired or why. Very odd that such an omission has survived in a Featured Article. Moonraker ( talk) 11:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
When he died in 1985 at the age of sixty-three, he had not, in fact, written any poems to speak of for some years, but he was still working as a librarian." Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Though the continued cutbacks made Larkin contemplate retiring, he did not. He died in office. In the summer of 1985 he became ill with cancer. By November he was too sick to attend Maeve Brennan's retirement party. On 2 December he died." Regards. Martinevans123 ( talk) 14:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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Although we were able to put done tags on a lot of the issues from the Peer Review the following are still outstanding: almost- instinct 13:39, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
2.1 Juvenilia &c.
2.2 Mature works
2.3 Poetic style
2.4 Prose non-fiction
Just to note there are few broken URLs in the article's references, perhaps jeopardizing its good article status (but the only thing preventing it from becoming an FA in my view). Sir Richardson ( talk) 15:04, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Is just one photo of the man sufficient ? Are there none available from when he was younger ? -- Beardo ( talk) 08:16, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I brought this up some time ago, but now I have found reference to it in print (Roger McGough (2005), Said and Done Random House), see the link below (scroll down a page or so to find the Larkin reference):
The interaction of two poets, and Roger McGough is quite well known (and has been nationally recognised - he has a CBE), is of some note. Especially as his correspondence with McGough is one of the few recorded instances of Larkin encouraging an aspiring fellow poet.
Motion's apparent omission in not noting Larkin's connection to the university hall of residence in Cottingham should not take precedence over an eyewitness account. The university owned houses in Cottingham, the student residents of which ate meals at Needler Hall, it is possible that Larkin was not resident in the hall but took his evening meals there in a similar manner. It is certain, however, that he ate there, and gave a begrudging Latin grace before the evening meal. As this is all in a published book I think that the bald statement that Larkin was in lodgings in Cottingham when he started work at Hull should be modified. Urselius ( talk) 15:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Currently the section in question reads: "In 1955 Larkin became University Librarian at the University of Hull, a post he would hold until his death. For his first year he lodged in bedsits." That second second sentence was including because in 1955 Larkin wrote "Mr Bleaney", his poem about lodging ("'This was Mr Bleaney's room'" it starts) almost- instinct 22:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Maybe a separate section on his interaction (and/or lack of it) with other writers (eg also Barbara Pym) would be the way forward? The material on Amis might be happier in such a place? Maybe somewhere in the Legacy section? And might there be a better term than "Legacy"? (IIRC correctly that's just a standard suggested title) almost- instinct 10:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
The first sentence of this article is a textbook example of the use of weasel words (pls see WP:WEASEL for explanation of weasel words). One can't just make a passive statement like "Larkin is widely regarded as one of the great English poets of the latter half of the twentieth century" without any attribution of this judgement. Otherwise, it simply expresses a contributors POV in the passive voice. Still, I think it's possible to communicate Larkin's importance as a poet without using weasel words. However, it would require editors to use actual references, preferrably with direct quotation/s. Jpcohen ( talk) 05:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
If anyone wants to look, the guidelines for citations in the lead are at WP:LEADCITE and for what to include at WP:MOSINTRO almost- instinct 14:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
A translation of this page on the Spanish Wikipedia has just been awarded Featured Article status. The irony of this is ... well, something ;-) almost- instinct 13:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
There is discussion starting at Talk:Patsy Strang on what to do with Patsy Strang and Monica Jones. Merge them here into a dedicated section (Larkin's personal relationships?), merge them together into a standalone article Philip Larkin's women?, leave them as they are, or simply redirect the titles here? SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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" In Hawkes's view, "Larkin's poetry ... revolves around two losses": the "loss of modernism", which manifests itself as "the desire to find a moment of epiphany", and "the loss of England, or rather the loss of the British Empire, which requires England to define itself in its own terms when previously it could define 'Englishness' in opposition to something else."[93]" and the phrase "loss of modernism" is unclear. Further down the article says that Larkin not unwillingly acquired a reputations as "an enemy of modernism". So why would his poetry revolve around the loss of something he hated? And what would that even mean? The reference is to a hard copy book that I can't consult. How about a quote from the book long enough that readers can see from the context what "modernism" refers to here? Arctic Gazelle ( talk) 18:37, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Lots of overlap between the two articles. Randykitty ( talk) 19:00, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
There is a brief mention that Larkin worked for the university library for thirty years, but nothing is said about when he retired or why. Very odd that such an omission has survived in a Featured Article. Moonraker ( talk) 11:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
When he died in 1985 at the age of sixty-three, he had not, in fact, written any poems to speak of for some years, but he was still working as a librarian." Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Though the continued cutbacks made Larkin contemplate retiring, he did not. He died in office. In the summer of 1985 he became ill with cancer. By November he was too sick to attend Maeve Brennan's retirement party. On 2 December he died." Regards. Martinevans123 ( talk) 14:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)