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http://www.pantheism.net is not WP:RS. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 06:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Right now the quote-unquote page image for Pantheism is a pic of a Spinoza. Not terrible by any means but surely we can perch something even more germane atop this range? Pandeist ( talk) 20:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Eurocentrism
This entry is depressingly eurocentric in focus and perspective. There is at least one non-western tradition that I am aware of, which can be found in Sufi texts in Persian and Arabic, referred to as Wahdat al Wujud (or unity/unicity of existence) that identifies God with the universe. It would be so nice if someone could give a more comprehensive account of broadly pantheistic ideas and the connections between different tradition rather than assume that "it all started in Europe". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.35.104 ( talk) 13:19, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Magtei
in this edit has introduced (perhaps re-introduced) the language It is a form of nontheism,...
. I'm not sure we can safely say this in Wikipedia's voice. Levine's book is making an argument in this direction but is not an unbiased source.
— jmcgnh
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(contribs) 19:29, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Pantheism's association with atheism is controversial among scholars and has a long history. No scholars I know of associate pantheism with theism (that citation referenced also did not; author was questioning how to categorize S. Alexander in an article about atheism and agnosticism). Most or all scholars associate pantheism as not-a-theism or nontheism. I do not know of any scholars that reject it as a form of nontheism. NaturaNaturans ( talk)
Magtei, this thing about who 'popularized' pantheism and the weight of the article between Baruch Spinoza and John Toland was debated at length in the past which included a mediation. Consensus was that pantheism was clearly popularized based on the work of Spinoza. The sources are numerous. Toland is often only mentioned incidentally as the person who coined the word, but facts in the last decade have even made it clear that that was not the case - Raphson coined the word (many sources are outdated on this fact). Toland is important in the history of pantheism and surely contributed to the popularity of the word, but so did Mendelsshon and Jacobi, and we're not trying to push them into the intro of the article. I know you've mentioned and edited the article many times to give a lot more weight to Toland, but I don't believe that is supported WP:FRNG. You can always do a WP:RFC for more input. NaturaNaturans ( talk)
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“Pantheism is a self-defeating concept, because the concept of a God presupposes a world different from him as an essential correlate. If, on the other hand, the world is supposed to take over his role, then an absolute world without God remains; hence pantheism is only an euphemism for atheism.”
― Arthur Schopenhauer, Parerga and Paralipomena — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 ( talk) 14:14, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Can someone who has some familiarity with the English language rewrite the opening introduction? Stevenmitchell ( talk) 06:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
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http://www.pantheism.net is not WP:RS. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 06:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Right now the quote-unquote page image for Pantheism is a pic of a Spinoza. Not terrible by any means but surely we can perch something even more germane atop this range? Pandeist ( talk) 20:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Eurocentrism
This entry is depressingly eurocentric in focus and perspective. There is at least one non-western tradition that I am aware of, which can be found in Sufi texts in Persian and Arabic, referred to as Wahdat al Wujud (or unity/unicity of existence) that identifies God with the universe. It would be so nice if someone could give a more comprehensive account of broadly pantheistic ideas and the connections between different tradition rather than assume that "it all started in Europe". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.35.104 ( talk) 13:19, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Magtei
in this edit has introduced (perhaps re-introduced) the language It is a form of nontheism,...
. I'm not sure we can safely say this in Wikipedia's voice. Levine's book is making an argument in this direction but is not an unbiased source.
— jmcgnh
(talk)
(contribs) 19:29, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Pantheism's association with atheism is controversial among scholars and has a long history. No scholars I know of associate pantheism with theism (that citation referenced also did not; author was questioning how to categorize S. Alexander in an article about atheism and agnosticism). Most or all scholars associate pantheism as not-a-theism or nontheism. I do not know of any scholars that reject it as a form of nontheism. NaturaNaturans ( talk)
Magtei, this thing about who 'popularized' pantheism and the weight of the article between Baruch Spinoza and John Toland was debated at length in the past which included a mediation. Consensus was that pantheism was clearly popularized based on the work of Spinoza. The sources are numerous. Toland is often only mentioned incidentally as the person who coined the word, but facts in the last decade have even made it clear that that was not the case - Raphson coined the word (many sources are outdated on this fact). Toland is important in the history of pantheism and surely contributed to the popularity of the word, but so did Mendelsshon and Jacobi, and we're not trying to push them into the intro of the article. I know you've mentioned and edited the article many times to give a lot more weight to Toland, but I don't believe that is supported WP:FRNG. You can always do a WP:RFC for more input. NaturaNaturans ( talk)
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“Pantheism is a self-defeating concept, because the concept of a God presupposes a world different from him as an essential correlate. If, on the other hand, the world is supposed to take over his role, then an absolute world without God remains; hence pantheism is only an euphemism for atheism.”
― Arthur Schopenhauer, Parerga and Paralipomena — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 ( talk) 14:14, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Can someone who has some familiarity with the English language rewrite the opening introduction? Stevenmitchell ( talk) 06:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)