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"Horse archer empires" has one single google hit outside wikimedia, in a game discussion forum. the term seems ad hoc coinage. "Nomadic Empires" has 11,000 hits. I suggest we move this. dab (𒁳) 15:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I also don't see why we need such detailed discussions of each empire here. The Xiongnu Empire should be discussed at Xiongnu Empire; this article should list them, and look at commonalities, not give rehashes of its sub-articles. dab (𒁳) 15:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest change of title from "Nomadic empires" to Nomadic supremacy. As they did not actually rule that region as mentioned in the article at the beginning. Pathare Prabhu ( talk) 04:23, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
It seems that the Timurid Empire was focused in the Iranian Plateau,far from the steppe.So can we list it as a Nomadic Empire.Of course it is a empire but not a nomadic one.-- Ksyrie 13:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Should we split the article, as per current practice? For instance, we still have no article about the Göktürk Khaganate. What's the point of keeping the extensive coverage of this polity hidden from our readers at this low-traffic page? -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
How about the Manchu state? Gantuya eng 15:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Unlike other neighboring tribes, the Manchu were agriculturalists and sedentary. So, no, their state was never "nomadic". 201.37.64.244 21:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, depends when you draw the line, as the Jurchen they would almost certainly be called nomads, but the period of Jin rule over N. China definitely changed things for that culture. So were they full agriculturalists by the time of the Manchu conquest of China? Maybe, but then again, where do you draw the line? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.42.121 ( talk) 04:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
It reads:The Xiongnu were a confederation of nomadic tribes from Central Asia with a ruling class of unknown origin and other subjugated tribes. No origin for the rulers and the people has been given. But at the end of the paragraph it reads that they were Turk and Mongol. Clear contradiction. I am going to clear out the last sentence. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 12:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Were Scythian and Cimmerian kingdoms empires? How large were these states in size? In List of largest empires nothing mentioned about them. Kingdom and large empire are different. Pazkyle ( talk) 04:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Political history of the Xiongnu better recorded than Scythians. This article contains all kings' name of the Xiongnu. The Xiongnu was an unified and powerful state and the state had about 2 million population and China had 22,000,000 population. My opinion is the first nomadic state was founded by the Scythians and Cimmerians but the first nomadic empire was established by the Xiongnu. Ancient Persians didn't write any clear information whether powerful and unified Scythian empire existed. It can be strong evidence against Scythians. Pazkyle ( talk) 06:31, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
"This is not, however, to excuse modern historians who — most commonly out of a wish to simplify, and less commonly out of real ignorance — confuse Mongols and Manchus to the extent of referring to the early Manchus as 'nomads'.... What is important to note here is that the Qing empire led by the Manchus was not nomadic in economic impulsion, in political organization, or in style. Comprehensive theories of nomadic conquest which attempt to include the Manchus inevitably go rather wrong." (Pamela Crossley, The Manchus, p. 3)
Rajmaan ( talk) 15:38, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
In section Uyghurs it reads "It was established by Özmish Khan in 744". Well Özmiş Khagan was not the founder of Uyghur Empire. Just the reverse he was the last Turkic Khagan before, a coalition of Uyghurs, Basmils and Karluks revolted and overthrew the Turkic rule. I'll call the editor. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 09:45, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
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"Horse archer empires" has one single google hit outside wikimedia, in a game discussion forum. the term seems ad hoc coinage. "Nomadic Empires" has 11,000 hits. I suggest we move this. dab (𒁳) 15:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I also don't see why we need such detailed discussions of each empire here. The Xiongnu Empire should be discussed at Xiongnu Empire; this article should list them, and look at commonalities, not give rehashes of its sub-articles. dab (𒁳) 15:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest change of title from "Nomadic empires" to Nomadic supremacy. As they did not actually rule that region as mentioned in the article at the beginning. Pathare Prabhu ( talk) 04:23, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
It seems that the Timurid Empire was focused in the Iranian Plateau,far from the steppe.So can we list it as a Nomadic Empire.Of course it is a empire but not a nomadic one.-- Ksyrie 13:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Should we split the article, as per current practice? For instance, we still have no article about the Göktürk Khaganate. What's the point of keeping the extensive coverage of this polity hidden from our readers at this low-traffic page? -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
How about the Manchu state? Gantuya eng 15:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Unlike other neighboring tribes, the Manchu were agriculturalists and sedentary. So, no, their state was never "nomadic". 201.37.64.244 21:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, depends when you draw the line, as the Jurchen they would almost certainly be called nomads, but the period of Jin rule over N. China definitely changed things for that culture. So were they full agriculturalists by the time of the Manchu conquest of China? Maybe, but then again, where do you draw the line? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.42.121 ( talk) 04:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
It reads:The Xiongnu were a confederation of nomadic tribes from Central Asia with a ruling class of unknown origin and other subjugated tribes. No origin for the rulers and the people has been given. But at the end of the paragraph it reads that they were Turk and Mongol. Clear contradiction. I am going to clear out the last sentence. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 12:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Were Scythian and Cimmerian kingdoms empires? How large were these states in size? In List of largest empires nothing mentioned about them. Kingdom and large empire are different. Pazkyle ( talk) 04:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Political history of the Xiongnu better recorded than Scythians. This article contains all kings' name of the Xiongnu. The Xiongnu was an unified and powerful state and the state had about 2 million population and China had 22,000,000 population. My opinion is the first nomadic state was founded by the Scythians and Cimmerians but the first nomadic empire was established by the Xiongnu. Ancient Persians didn't write any clear information whether powerful and unified Scythian empire existed. It can be strong evidence against Scythians. Pazkyle ( talk) 06:31, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
"This is not, however, to excuse modern historians who — most commonly out of a wish to simplify, and less commonly out of real ignorance — confuse Mongols and Manchus to the extent of referring to the early Manchus as 'nomads'.... What is important to note here is that the Qing empire led by the Manchus was not nomadic in economic impulsion, in political organization, or in style. Comprehensive theories of nomadic conquest which attempt to include the Manchus inevitably go rather wrong." (Pamela Crossley, The Manchus, p. 3)
Rajmaan ( talk) 15:38, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
In section Uyghurs it reads "It was established by Özmish Khan in 744". Well Özmiş Khagan was not the founder of Uyghur Empire. Just the reverse he was the last Turkic Khagan before, a coalition of Uyghurs, Basmils and Karluks revolted and overthrew the Turkic rule. I'll call the editor. Nedim Ardoğa ( talk) 09:45, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
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