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I am reviewing this very old FA as part of WP:URFA/2020, an effort to determine whether old featured articles still meet the featured article criteria. The FAC nominator has not edited in years, and the article does not appear to be watched.
Hopefully someone will adopt this article so that it won't need to be submitted to Featured article review. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:45, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
The two citation needed tags remaining are:
Thanks, Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 15:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
"Of these, the three longest relationships were with de Gramont, Brooks, and Wilde; from 1927, she was involved with all three of them simultaneously, a situation that ended only with Wilde's death."
This section needs expansion or rewriting. Right now, it includes biographical detail on Wilde, but little information on her relationship with Barney. Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 15:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 15:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
It's now been a couple days and we have three SFN fans with no objections. XOR'easter, want to weigh in? Otherwise, I say we go for it. I'd be happy to do it, but Caeciliusinhorto already volunteered! Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 03:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Sentence needing attention (either lose second half or split in two?) She and her younger sister Laura attended Les Ruches, a French boarding school in Fontainebleau, France, founded by feminist Marie Souvestre, who also founded Allenswood Academy, in Wimbledon, then outside London, which was attended by such notables as Eleanor Roosevelt.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 03:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
As young adults in Paris they shared an apartment at 4, rue Chalgrin, and eventually taking their own residences in Neuilly.SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Other visitors to the salon during the 1920s included French writers Jeanne Galzy,[68] André Gide, Anatole France, Max Jacob, Louis Aragon and Jean Cocteau along with English-language writers Ford Madox Ford, W. Somerset Maugham, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Sinclair Lewis, Sherwood Anderson, Thornton Wilder, T. S. Eliot and William Carlos Williams and moreover, German poet Rainer Maria Rilke, Bengali poet Rabindranath Tagore (the first Nobel laureate from Asia), Romanian aesthetician and diplomat Matila Ghyka, journalist Janet Flanner (also known as Genêt, who set the New Yorker style), journalist, activist and publisher Nancy Cunard, publishers Caresse and Harry Crosby, publisher Blanche Knopf,[1] art collector and patron Peggy Guggenheim, Sylvia Beach (the bookstore owner who published James Joyce's Ulysses), painters Tamara de Lempicka and Marie Laurencin and dancer Isadora Duncan.[69]And why moreover? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Can this page range be narrowed down? Published in 1901, this book became the talk of Paris, reprinted more than 60 times in its first year. Barney was soon well known as the model for one of the characters. By this time, however, the two had already broken up after quarreling repeatedly over Barney's desire to "rescue" de Pougy from her life as a courtesan. Rodriguez pages 88–103
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 20:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
even rinsing her mouth with perfumed water to hide the smell. Colette pages 83–103SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Missing title: Livia, Anna (1995). "Introduction: Lucie Delarue-Mardrus and the Phrenetic Harlequinade". In Delarue-Mardrus (ed.). pp. 1–60. {{
cite book}}
: Empty citation (
help): Missing or empty |title= (help)
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 20:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Are both of these supposed to be 31, or is that a typo? Rodriguez 2002, p. 31. Barney recounted this incident in Adventures of the Mind, p. 31.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 20:33, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Reliable? ...whom Natalie Barney had met as a little girl ... https://oscarwildeinamerica.blog/2015/03/30/a-scene-at-long-beach/ When Natalie Barney met Oscar Wilde SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:45, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
What does this mean ? Frances Benjamin Johnston (1864–1952)/LOC cph.3b24474
??
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 22:20, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
and other French sources call it "lupus tuberculeux"
Can anyone access this source to see if it can be used to cite the statement?
https://www.jstor.org/stable/44858430
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 23:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Reminder to self to resume at "Epigrams" section. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
The lead is underdeveloped, and there is MOS:SANDWICH everywhere. I can work on the sandwiching, if no one else does, but I can't write the lead. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Does it work if they are separated? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 13:51, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Bonjour to all,
I believed to be of some interest the link of the original of the first letter Natalie sent to Liane de Pougy. But my contribution " 12 novembre 2021 à 15:08 " was révoquée for some reason. Anyway, if you believe this to be usefull, this is the link of the letter - Source "Legs Salomon Reinach. Natalie Clifford Barney, lettres à Liane de Pougy. Tome I"
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10023459x/f13.item
Thanks and sorry for my english Dominique — Preceding unsigned comment added by Do contant ( talk • contribs) 10:28, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I reworked the lead in this edit. I would appreciate some additional eyes on it for major changes or refinement. I'm copying the pre-FAR lead and new lead below for comparison:
Pre-FAR | New |
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Natalie Clifford Barney (October 31, 1876 – February 2, 1972) was an American playwright, poet and novelist who lived as an expatriate in Paris. Barney's salon was held at her home at 20 rue Jacob in Paris's Left Bank for more than 60 years and brought together writers and artists from around the world, including many leading figures in French literature along with American and British Modernists of the Lost Generation. She worked to promote writing by women and formed a "Women's Academy" (L'Académie des Femmes) in response to the all-male French Academy while also giving support and inspiration to male writers from Remy de Gourmont to Truman Capote. She was openly lesbian and began publishing love poems to women under her own name as early as 1900, considering scandal as "the best way of getting rid of nuisances" (meaning heterosexual attention from young men). She wrote in both French and English. In her writings she supported feminism and pacifism. She opposed monogamy and had many overlapping long and short-term relationships, including on-and-off romances with poet Renée Vivien and dancer Armen Ohanian and a 50-year relationship with painter Romaine Brooks. Her life and love affairs served as inspiration for many novels written by others, ranging from the salacious French bestseller Idylle Saphique to The Well of Loneliness, the most famous lesbian novel of the twentieth century. |
Natalie Clifford Barney (October 31, 1876 – February 2, 1972) was an American writer who lived most of her life as an expatriate in Paris. She influenced other authors with her poetry, plays, and epigrams—often thematically tied to her lesbianism and feminism—but more so through her hosting of a literary salon that brought together French and international writers.
Barney grew up with rich parents, an irregular French boarding school education, and a desire from a young age to live openly as a lesbian. She moved to France with her first romantic partner, Eva Palmer. Inspired by the work of Sappho, Barney began publishing love poems to women under her own name as early as 1900. Writing in both French and English, she supported feminism and pacifism. She opposed monogamy and had many overlapping long and short-term relationships, including on-and-off romances with poet Renée Vivien and courtesan Liane de Pougy and longer relationships with writer Élisabeth de Gramont and painter Romaine Brooks. Barney hosted a salon at her home in Paris for more than 60 years, bringing together writers and artists from around the world, including many leading figures in French, American, and British literature. Attendees of various sexualities expressed themselves and mingled comfortably at the weekly gatherings. She worked to promote writing by women and hosted a "Women's Academy" (L'Académie des Femmes) in her salon as a response to the all-male French Academy. The salon closed for the duration of World War II, while Barney lived in Italy with Romaine Brooks, espousing initially some pro-fascist views. She supported the Allies by the end of the war, returned to Paris, resumed the salon, and continued influencing or inspiring writers, including Truman Capote. Barney had a wide literary influence. Remy de Gourmont addressed public letters to her using the nickname l'Amazon (the Amazon), and Barney's assocation with both de Gourmont and the nickname lasted until her death. Her life and love affairs served as inspiration for many novels written by others, ranging from Liane de Pougy's salacious French bestseller Idylle Saphique to Radclyffe Hall's The Well of Loneliness, the most famous lesbian novel of the twentieth century. |
Hope I'm on the right track! Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 03:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm back ... my suggestions and queries are:
many overlapping long and short-term relationships,--> long- and short-term relationships? Alternately, is the mention of long- and short-term redundant to the rest of the sentence, which explains that?
Attendees of various sexualities expressed themselves and mingled comfortably at the weekly gatherings.... where do we source this content in the article? For example, comfortably?
lived in Italy with Romaine Brooks,... same here ...
ranging from Liane de Pougy's salacious... also, review this throughout, eg
always including Romaine Brooks when she invited Barney--> Brooks ...
The salon closed for the duration of World War II, while Barney lived in Italy with Romaine Brooks, espousing initially some pro-fascist views. She supported the Allies by the end of the war, returned to Paris, resumed the salon, and continued influencing or inspiring writers, including Truman Capote.--> better combine like thoughts ?? -->
The salon closed for the duration of World War II while Barney lived in Italy with Brooks. She initially espoused some pro-fascist views, but supported the Allies by the end of the war. After the war, she returned to Paris, resumed the salon, and continued influencing or inspiring writers such as Truman Capote.
Barney grew up with rich parents, an irregular French boarding school education, and a desire from a young age to live openly as a lesbian.I am stumbling over this because, although it may not actually do so, it feels like switching tenses and combining too many unrelated thoughts. And ugh on "rich parents" ... how about wealthy family ? One can be "rich" in many ways besides money. What an "irreglular" boarding school education means is not defined in the article. --> ?? something like -->
Barney was born in to a wealthy family. She was partly educated in France, and expressed a desire from a young age to live openly as a lesbian.
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:28, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
The main photo is of Alice Hughes, not Natalie Barney. However there is a photo of her as a younger woman online very similar to that of the Alice Hughes photo shown. 2601:645:581:55F0:F8CA:18CD:7D74:3C80 ( talk) 05:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Natalie Clifford Barney is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on August 26, 2009. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I am reviewing this very old FA as part of WP:URFA/2020, an effort to determine whether old featured articles still meet the featured article criteria. The FAC nominator has not edited in years, and the article does not appear to be watched.
Hopefully someone will adopt this article so that it won't need to be submitted to Featured article review. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:45, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
The two citation needed tags remaining are:
Thanks, Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 15:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
"Of these, the three longest relationships were with de Gramont, Brooks, and Wilde; from 1927, she was involved with all three of them simultaneously, a situation that ended only with Wilde's death."
This section needs expansion or rewriting. Right now, it includes biographical detail on Wilde, but little information on her relationship with Barney. Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 15:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 15:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
It's now been a couple days and we have three SFN fans with no objections. XOR'easter, want to weigh in? Otherwise, I say we go for it. I'd be happy to do it, but Caeciliusinhorto already volunteered! Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 03:29, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Sentence needing attention (either lose second half or split in two?) She and her younger sister Laura attended Les Ruches, a French boarding school in Fontainebleau, France, founded by feminist Marie Souvestre, who also founded Allenswood Academy, in Wimbledon, then outside London, which was attended by such notables as Eleanor Roosevelt.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 03:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
As young adults in Paris they shared an apartment at 4, rue Chalgrin, and eventually taking their own residences in Neuilly.SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Other visitors to the salon during the 1920s included French writers Jeanne Galzy,[68] André Gide, Anatole France, Max Jacob, Louis Aragon and Jean Cocteau along with English-language writers Ford Madox Ford, W. Somerset Maugham, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Sinclair Lewis, Sherwood Anderson, Thornton Wilder, T. S. Eliot and William Carlos Williams and moreover, German poet Rainer Maria Rilke, Bengali poet Rabindranath Tagore (the first Nobel laureate from Asia), Romanian aesthetician and diplomat Matila Ghyka, journalist Janet Flanner (also known as Genêt, who set the New Yorker style), journalist, activist and publisher Nancy Cunard, publishers Caresse and Harry Crosby, publisher Blanche Knopf,[1] art collector and patron Peggy Guggenheim, Sylvia Beach (the bookstore owner who published James Joyce's Ulysses), painters Tamara de Lempicka and Marie Laurencin and dancer Isadora Duncan.[69]And why moreover? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Can this page range be narrowed down? Published in 1901, this book became the talk of Paris, reprinted more than 60 times in its first year. Barney was soon well known as the model for one of the characters. By this time, however, the two had already broken up after quarreling repeatedly over Barney's desire to "rescue" de Pougy from her life as a courtesan. Rodriguez pages 88–103
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 20:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
even rinsing her mouth with perfumed water to hide the smell. Colette pages 83–103SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Missing title: Livia, Anna (1995). "Introduction: Lucie Delarue-Mardrus and the Phrenetic Harlequinade". In Delarue-Mardrus (ed.). pp. 1–60. {{
cite book}}
: Empty citation (
help): Missing or empty |title= (help)
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 20:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Are both of these supposed to be 31, or is that a typo? Rodriguez 2002, p. 31. Barney recounted this incident in Adventures of the Mind, p. 31.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 20:33, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Reliable? ...whom Natalie Barney had met as a little girl ... https://oscarwildeinamerica.blog/2015/03/30/a-scene-at-long-beach/ When Natalie Barney met Oscar Wilde SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:45, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
What does this mean ? Frances Benjamin Johnston (1864–1952)/LOC cph.3b24474
??
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 22:20, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
and other French sources call it "lupus tuberculeux"
Can anyone access this source to see if it can be used to cite the statement?
https://www.jstor.org/stable/44858430
SandyGeorgia (
Talk) 23:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Reminder to self to resume at "Epigrams" section. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
The lead is underdeveloped, and there is MOS:SANDWICH everywhere. I can work on the sandwiching, if no one else does, but I can't write the lead. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Does it work if they are separated? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 13:51, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Bonjour to all,
I believed to be of some interest the link of the original of the first letter Natalie sent to Liane de Pougy. But my contribution " 12 novembre 2021 à 15:08 " was révoquée for some reason. Anyway, if you believe this to be usefull, this is the link of the letter - Source "Legs Salomon Reinach. Natalie Clifford Barney, lettres à Liane de Pougy. Tome I"
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10023459x/f13.item
Thanks and sorry for my english Dominique — Preceding unsigned comment added by Do contant ( talk • contribs) 10:28, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I reworked the lead in this edit. I would appreciate some additional eyes on it for major changes or refinement. I'm copying the pre-FAR lead and new lead below for comparison:
Pre-FAR | New |
---|---|
Natalie Clifford Barney (October 31, 1876 – February 2, 1972) was an American playwright, poet and novelist who lived as an expatriate in Paris. Barney's salon was held at her home at 20 rue Jacob in Paris's Left Bank for more than 60 years and brought together writers and artists from around the world, including many leading figures in French literature along with American and British Modernists of the Lost Generation. She worked to promote writing by women and formed a "Women's Academy" (L'Académie des Femmes) in response to the all-male French Academy while also giving support and inspiration to male writers from Remy de Gourmont to Truman Capote. She was openly lesbian and began publishing love poems to women under her own name as early as 1900, considering scandal as "the best way of getting rid of nuisances" (meaning heterosexual attention from young men). She wrote in both French and English. In her writings she supported feminism and pacifism. She opposed monogamy and had many overlapping long and short-term relationships, including on-and-off romances with poet Renée Vivien and dancer Armen Ohanian and a 50-year relationship with painter Romaine Brooks. Her life and love affairs served as inspiration for many novels written by others, ranging from the salacious French bestseller Idylle Saphique to The Well of Loneliness, the most famous lesbian novel of the twentieth century. |
Natalie Clifford Barney (October 31, 1876 – February 2, 1972) was an American writer who lived most of her life as an expatriate in Paris. She influenced other authors with her poetry, plays, and epigrams—often thematically tied to her lesbianism and feminism—but more so through her hosting of a literary salon that brought together French and international writers.
Barney grew up with rich parents, an irregular French boarding school education, and a desire from a young age to live openly as a lesbian. She moved to France with her first romantic partner, Eva Palmer. Inspired by the work of Sappho, Barney began publishing love poems to women under her own name as early as 1900. Writing in both French and English, she supported feminism and pacifism. She opposed monogamy and had many overlapping long and short-term relationships, including on-and-off romances with poet Renée Vivien and courtesan Liane de Pougy and longer relationships with writer Élisabeth de Gramont and painter Romaine Brooks. Barney hosted a salon at her home in Paris for more than 60 years, bringing together writers and artists from around the world, including many leading figures in French, American, and British literature. Attendees of various sexualities expressed themselves and mingled comfortably at the weekly gatherings. She worked to promote writing by women and hosted a "Women's Academy" (L'Académie des Femmes) in her salon as a response to the all-male French Academy. The salon closed for the duration of World War II, while Barney lived in Italy with Romaine Brooks, espousing initially some pro-fascist views. She supported the Allies by the end of the war, returned to Paris, resumed the salon, and continued influencing or inspiring writers, including Truman Capote. Barney had a wide literary influence. Remy de Gourmont addressed public letters to her using the nickname l'Amazon (the Amazon), and Barney's assocation with both de Gourmont and the nickname lasted until her death. Her life and love affairs served as inspiration for many novels written by others, ranging from Liane de Pougy's salacious French bestseller Idylle Saphique to Radclyffe Hall's The Well of Loneliness, the most famous lesbian novel of the twentieth century. |
Hope I'm on the right track! Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 03:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm back ... my suggestions and queries are:
many overlapping long and short-term relationships,--> long- and short-term relationships? Alternately, is the mention of long- and short-term redundant to the rest of the sentence, which explains that?
Attendees of various sexualities expressed themselves and mingled comfortably at the weekly gatherings.... where do we source this content in the article? For example, comfortably?
lived in Italy with Romaine Brooks,... same here ...
ranging from Liane de Pougy's salacious... also, review this throughout, eg
always including Romaine Brooks when she invited Barney--> Brooks ...
The salon closed for the duration of World War II, while Barney lived in Italy with Romaine Brooks, espousing initially some pro-fascist views. She supported the Allies by the end of the war, returned to Paris, resumed the salon, and continued influencing or inspiring writers, including Truman Capote.--> better combine like thoughts ?? -->
The salon closed for the duration of World War II while Barney lived in Italy with Brooks. She initially espoused some pro-fascist views, but supported the Allies by the end of the war. After the war, she returned to Paris, resumed the salon, and continued influencing or inspiring writers such as Truman Capote.
Barney grew up with rich parents, an irregular French boarding school education, and a desire from a young age to live openly as a lesbian.I am stumbling over this because, although it may not actually do so, it feels like switching tenses and combining too many unrelated thoughts. And ugh on "rich parents" ... how about wealthy family ? One can be "rich" in many ways besides money. What an "irreglular" boarding school education means is not defined in the article. --> ?? something like -->
Barney was born in to a wealthy family. She was partly educated in France, and expressed a desire from a young age to live openly as a lesbian.
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:28, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
The main photo is of Alice Hughes, not Natalie Barney. However there is a photo of her as a younger woman online very similar to that of the Alice Hughes photo shown. 2601:645:581:55F0:F8CA:18CD:7D74:3C80 ( talk) 05:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)