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The article formerly stated that Gorbachev was the youngest man to hold the position of Secretary of the Central Committee and cited p163 of Taubman's biography. I'm unsure whether this accurately reflects what the source says, but regardless it is plainly incorrect; Vyacheslav Molotov was 32 when he held the job after the secretariat was reformed in 1922 and several Stalin-era Secretaries were in their late 30s. -- RaiderAspect ( talk) 13:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Why would someone address everything in past tense in this section: Personal life? The man is still alive so describing attributes of him as if he was not is just stupid.
In the sentence..
He was appointed the First Party Secretary of the Sevastopol Regional Committee in 1970, in which position he oversaw construction of the Great Stavropol Canal.
"Sevastopol Regional Committee" seems to be incorrect. Should it be "Stavropol Regional Committee"? __ Chaduvari ( talk) 05:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
The sentence As of 2022, he is the only former leader of the Soviet Union who is still alive - added yesterday, has been suppressed again today. Why? Is this a false statement? As I don't think he died recently, the question is: who else is still alive? Of course, "leader" is a bit vague, may-be "top leader" or something like that would be better-- UKe-CH ( talk) 21:15, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
The article currently has a mix of American and British/Commonwealth English spelling. According to MOS:ARTCON, it should be consistent one way or another. Since MOS:TIES doesn't seem to apply, according to MOS:RETAIN we use the variety found in the first post-stub revision that introduced an identifiable variety, unless there is a consensus to do otherwise. It appears that American English was established by at least 2002, see: Special:Diff/398181 (traveled, democratization). Unless there is a reason to use something else, I will run the WP:EngvarB script to make that the consistent variety throughout the article. -- IamNotU ( talk) 00:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
There are way too many semicolons in this article. The semicolon should be used rarely, not every time one writes two adjoining sentences that relate to each other. NoNonsenseHumJock ( talk) 16:33, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
2019 Meeting Gorbachev https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/Meeting_Gorbachev?id=5jN_A_ADCG0.P
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On 10 March 1985, Chernenko died.[153] Gromyko proposed Gorbachev as the next General Secretary; as a longstanding party member, Gromyko's recommendation carried great weight among the Central Committee.[154] Gorbachev expected much opposition to his nomination as General Secretary, but ultimately the rest of the Politburo supported him.[155] Shortly after Chernenko's death, the Politburo unanimously elected Gorbachev as his successor; they wanted him over another elderly leader.[156]
Reading the book "Why Gorbachev Happened" by Robert Kaiser, a leading U.S expert on the Soviet Union (aka a Kremlinologist.)
There are a couple parts here this book disputes.
It is true that Gorbachev nomination ultimately was by acclimation, but that was De Jure as by this time, all additions to the Politburo and all nominations to General Secretary were officially by acclamation. De Facto, Gorbachev was opposed by Viktor Grishin. It seems to have been a very close vote in the Politburo with Gorbachev making sure at least one and possibly two of Grishin's supporters were away and unable to attend the vote (Vladimir Shcherbitsky and possibly Dinmukhamed Kunayev.) It also wasn't so much of older versus younger as opposed to reformers (Andropov's people on the Politburo) vs status quo (Brezhnev's people.)
In the end however, it was De Jure acclimation with Grishin officially nominating Gorbachev for the post. (Pages 80-82.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.140.177 ( talk) 06:34, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
To be sure, it is true that those who supported Gorbachev didn't realize the extent of the reforms Gorbachev ultimately pursued or how they would end up destroying the Soviet Communist Party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.140.177 ( talk) 06:39, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
he had a policy of "Glasnost" -- 52.144.111.126 ( talk) 02:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)JZ
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Vladimir Gorbachev. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 3#Vladimir Gorbachev until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 17:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
I suggest that we use an image from this video (which is licensed with a CC BY licence) for the infobox photo. -- Love and Parting ( talk) 01:44, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Really? Not Gorbachov or Gorbachyov? Strange... -- 2A02:908:1460:CF80:44F8:C8C1:71F5:9BF7 ( talk) 19:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
The current portrait used is not the best to use for good ol' Gorby.
I propose we change it to one of these images.
Khalif Ali Husain the Third ( talk) 09:32, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Why was the image changed to the 1st one of those? I personally prefer the cropped one from the Reykjavík Summit. Victor Scimitar ( talk) 19:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Gorbachev (cropped).png Victor Scimitar ( talk) 19:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
The "Personal life" section uses past tense for him: "Throughout his life, he tried", "he drank", "he was", etc. Using past tense that way implies he is dead, but he is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:b011:1005:7a95:d1a2:275e:47d1:8bfb ( talk) 06:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, I want to suggest putting my photograph of Mikhail Gorbatchev that I took when he was visiting Paris in 1989. This photograph is already in the French version. Here is its code:
Thanks Olivier DUMAY
This claim is geopolitically important, and is becoming more important as Vladimir Putin continues to use it to justify his opposition to Ukraine's desire to join NATO. The source that was already here (a biography by William Taubman published in 2017) claims that Gorbachev was offered assurances that NATO would not expand eastward. In an interview in 2014, Gorbachev himself says that nothing of the kind was even part of the conversation ( http://rbth.com/international/2014/10/16/mikhail_gorbachev_i_am_against_all_walls_40673.html). The latter view is backed up by analysis from folks who have reviewed transcripts from the meetings at the time ( https://www.rferl.org/a/nato-expansion-russia-mislead/31263602.html). I don't know if the article, as I've edited it, follows NPOV, or if it's giving undue weight to any source, and I'd appreciate review. My initial thought is to treat Taubman's representation of events as a minority view. -- 140.162.13.134 ( talk) 18:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
The term Marxist-Leninism is somewhat of a wastebasket taxon within marxism. It refers to a lot of positions that dont always line up well. For example both Stalin and Trotsky saw themselves as the inheretors of Lennin's legacy but drew radically different conclusions about it, to the point that a significant level of violence became associated with the schism, culminating ultimately in the assasination of Leon Trotsky. Further, in China , the maoist and post maoist tendencies within chinese political history also have tended to lay claim to the mantle of Marxist Leninism. This schism persists to this day, particularly between the "trots" and "tankies" of Trotskyism and Stalinism respectively, as well as a growing resurgence of interest mostly in US circles in Maoism. To be clear Marxism-Leninism is a legitimate term and I'm not quarreling with the fact its used here, but I think it would be prudent to affix terms to denote the "flavor" of marxist-leninism, like "The prevailing interpretation of Marxist-Leninism" etc just so we dont convey the interpretation that ONLY Stalin, Kruschev or Gorbachev's interpretation was the "correct" one. And to be clear its not a small matter, theres an entire corpus of literature analysing this stuff, as well as less academic literature on "Revisionist marxism" and other more polemical contributions to the discussion. Duckmonster ( talk) 02:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
The "In the Arts" section, or, maybe an "In Popular Culture" section, might mention that "The Internet series" _Epic Rap Battles of History_ featured Gorbachev in the "Rasputin vs. Stalin" rap battle, played by Lloyd Ahlquist." 216.228.184.182 ( talk) 02:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I would like to start a discussion about using an updated photo of Gorbachev for the infobox image. The current on was taken in 1987, and while it is a good quality photo, it is very outdated. I’ve changed the photo a couple times to one from 2015, citing that it is more recent. My reasoning is that since Gorbachev is still living, a relatively newer photo is more appropriate. The user who reverted the edit stated that the photos of Presidents Carter and G. W. Bush were also outdated, but their photos are official photos taken during their time in office. The 1987 photo of Gorbachev is not an official photo, and therefore I think it should be updated to a more recent one, or to an official office photo. When Gorbachev dies, an older official photo (if one can be found) could and should then be used.
When it comes to politicians, I think official photos are the most appropriate to use, anyway. LordVesuvius ( talk) 16:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
There are rumours of Gorbachev's death on birdsite. Any RS? They should pop up quickly if the rumour is confirmed. Boud ( talk) 20:29, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Title says it all. Please change the page. Shhssh ( talk) 20:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
https://ria.ru/20220830/gorbachev-1813287586.html CallMeHyphen ( talk) 20:46, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Gorbachev's date of birth, 2 March 1931, has six sources given in Wikidata (at least three are online), and four offline sources here, so that seems undisputed. Russian sources presumably write that Gorbachev died in his "92nd year", or write "92" in a Russian convention of age that rounds up. In English, 91 years and just under 6 months (30 Aug 2022 minus 2 March 1931) is summarised in integer years as an "age of 91", not an "age of 92". Thomson Reuters, a WP:RS, has been quite sloppy about this. This is not a direct problem for this article, since we let mediawiki software calculate age instead of doing the calculation that was too difficult for Reuters journalists to do. Boud ( talk) 21:11, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
We achieved consensus for the lead photo a few months back, and people are replacing it for no reason. Please don’t remove it. If you want another photo to be in the lead, state your opinion on the talk page. Consensus can change. Fijipedia ( talk) 00:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
the info box picture has been changed over and over again. and there's no consensus for it so this is a talk section just for it, I'm taking a page out of the book of The Talk section of Olivia Newton-John and doing a !vote section.
I have compiled a gallery of all the candidate images, Just sign under your choice(s) 4me689 00:38, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Note that the third image was added after the voting started, so some people might want to reconsider their opinion. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 12:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove this sentence
Later that month, Bush visited Moscow, where he and Gorbachev signed the START I treaty, a bilateral agreement on the reduction and limitation of strategic offensive arms, after ten years of negotiation.
and replace it with this one:
Later that month, Bush visited Moscow, where he and Gorbachev concluded ten years of negotiations by signing the START I treaty, a bilateral agreement on the reduction and limitation of strategic offensive arms.
By moving up the ten years of negotiations, the sentence is reduced from five clauses to four — it's marginally longer, but simpler to understand. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 03:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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In this sentence:
In June 2018, he welcomed the 2018 Russia–United States summit between Putin and U.S. President Donald Trump,
Please change "2018 Russia-United States summit" to "Russia-United States summit". If a date isn't given for the summit, one would expect it to occur around the same time as his remarks, which are in June 2018. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 03:44, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I tried to put two more in the section, but 'Stephanie' thinks they are not valid. Who is she to decide? AMCKen ( talk) 06:16, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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To change his death to the 14 august, because he died there https://www.gorby.ru/presscenter/news/show_30344/ This is the source 85.83.200.22 ( talk) 07:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
@ User:Ovinus Why do u think the Pizza Hut commercial is undue weight for the lead :) If it has an article about it I don't see it being there as undue. But maybe I'm missing something Stephanie921 ( talk) 02:04, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Both the articles for Lenin and Stalin include their death in the lede of the article. Why not for Gorbachev? There even is a sub article for specifically his funeral, indicating that it is a major event. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 19:21, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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Woon Sue ( talk) 12:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
There is a conflict about the infobox image again. Let's discuss this @ 4me689. I do quite like the BW image actually, would be fine with having that one as the main image. Otherwise, the previous speech picture would be good. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 16:32, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
The Template:Mikhail Gorbachev series sidebar was removed. I think it should belong in this article. Can we put it back? PhotographyEdits ( talk) 14:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Exactly the title. There’s not a single citation except for a little thing that says [f] in the main body text of the page all the way from the start up until Early Life & Education. For example, it claims that he’s often derided in Russia, which may or may not be true, but there’s no citation for this claim, which makes it look a lot like hearsay instead of actual fact. 166.182.80.216 ( talk) 20:52, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
The "dubious" tag was added on 2 January 2024 by User:AverageWikiEditingEnjoyer, who wrote this edit summary:
"I thought numerous claims state he was closer to reformist marxism, market socialism, or an ideology closer to the ideology of "Eurocommunism" instead of "social democracy", which he only affiliated with much later on".
Since the editor acknowledges that Gorbachev did affiliate with social democracy, I'm not sure that the dubious tag is really warranted; but while it's there it should link to the editor's objection on the talk page. Richard75 ( talk) 13:23, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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The article formerly stated that Gorbachev was the youngest man to hold the position of Secretary of the Central Committee and cited p163 of Taubman's biography. I'm unsure whether this accurately reflects what the source says, but regardless it is plainly incorrect; Vyacheslav Molotov was 32 when he held the job after the secretariat was reformed in 1922 and several Stalin-era Secretaries were in their late 30s. -- RaiderAspect ( talk) 13:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Why would someone address everything in past tense in this section: Personal life? The man is still alive so describing attributes of him as if he was not is just stupid.
In the sentence..
He was appointed the First Party Secretary of the Sevastopol Regional Committee in 1970, in which position he oversaw construction of the Great Stavropol Canal.
"Sevastopol Regional Committee" seems to be incorrect. Should it be "Stavropol Regional Committee"? __ Chaduvari ( talk) 05:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
The sentence As of 2022, he is the only former leader of the Soviet Union who is still alive - added yesterday, has been suppressed again today. Why? Is this a false statement? As I don't think he died recently, the question is: who else is still alive? Of course, "leader" is a bit vague, may-be "top leader" or something like that would be better-- UKe-CH ( talk) 21:15, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
The article currently has a mix of American and British/Commonwealth English spelling. According to MOS:ARTCON, it should be consistent one way or another. Since MOS:TIES doesn't seem to apply, according to MOS:RETAIN we use the variety found in the first post-stub revision that introduced an identifiable variety, unless there is a consensus to do otherwise. It appears that American English was established by at least 2002, see: Special:Diff/398181 (traveled, democratization). Unless there is a reason to use something else, I will run the WP:EngvarB script to make that the consistent variety throughout the article. -- IamNotU ( talk) 00:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
There are way too many semicolons in this article. The semicolon should be used rarely, not every time one writes two adjoining sentences that relate to each other. NoNonsenseHumJock ( talk) 16:33, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
2019 Meeting Gorbachev https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/Meeting_Gorbachev?id=5jN_A_ADCG0.P
Please unblock Gedium account. I do not wish to be a sock puppet! Your admins are idiots and do not follow procedure or protocol as stated by other admins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.44.166.231 ( talk) 14:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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On 10 March 1985, Chernenko died.[153] Gromyko proposed Gorbachev as the next General Secretary; as a longstanding party member, Gromyko's recommendation carried great weight among the Central Committee.[154] Gorbachev expected much opposition to his nomination as General Secretary, but ultimately the rest of the Politburo supported him.[155] Shortly after Chernenko's death, the Politburo unanimously elected Gorbachev as his successor; they wanted him over another elderly leader.[156]
Reading the book "Why Gorbachev Happened" by Robert Kaiser, a leading U.S expert on the Soviet Union (aka a Kremlinologist.)
There are a couple parts here this book disputes.
It is true that Gorbachev nomination ultimately was by acclimation, but that was De Jure as by this time, all additions to the Politburo and all nominations to General Secretary were officially by acclamation. De Facto, Gorbachev was opposed by Viktor Grishin. It seems to have been a very close vote in the Politburo with Gorbachev making sure at least one and possibly two of Grishin's supporters were away and unable to attend the vote (Vladimir Shcherbitsky and possibly Dinmukhamed Kunayev.) It also wasn't so much of older versus younger as opposed to reformers (Andropov's people on the Politburo) vs status quo (Brezhnev's people.)
In the end however, it was De Jure acclimation with Grishin officially nominating Gorbachev for the post. (Pages 80-82.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.140.177 ( talk) 06:34, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
To be sure, it is true that those who supported Gorbachev didn't realize the extent of the reforms Gorbachev ultimately pursued or how they would end up destroying the Soviet Communist Party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.140.177 ( talk) 06:39, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
he had a policy of "Glasnost" -- 52.144.111.126 ( talk) 02:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)JZ
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Vladimir Gorbachev. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 3#Vladimir Gorbachev until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 17:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
I suggest that we use an image from this video (which is licensed with a CC BY licence) for the infobox photo. -- Love and Parting ( talk) 01:44, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Really? Not Gorbachov or Gorbachyov? Strange... -- 2A02:908:1460:CF80:44F8:C8C1:71F5:9BF7 ( talk) 19:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
The current portrait used is not the best to use for good ol' Gorby.
I propose we change it to one of these images.
Khalif Ali Husain the Third ( talk) 09:32, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Why was the image changed to the 1st one of those? I personally prefer the cropped one from the Reykjavík Summit. Victor Scimitar ( talk) 19:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Gorbachev (cropped).png Victor Scimitar ( talk) 19:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
The "Personal life" section uses past tense for him: "Throughout his life, he tried", "he drank", "he was", etc. Using past tense that way implies he is dead, but he is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:b011:1005:7a95:d1a2:275e:47d1:8bfb ( talk) 06:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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Dulxolixb ( talk) 07:35, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I want to suggest putting my photograph of Mikhail Gorbatchev that I took when he was visiting Paris in 1989. This photograph is already in the French version. Here is its code:
Thanks Olivier DUMAY
This claim is geopolitically important, and is becoming more important as Vladimir Putin continues to use it to justify his opposition to Ukraine's desire to join NATO. The source that was already here (a biography by William Taubman published in 2017) claims that Gorbachev was offered assurances that NATO would not expand eastward. In an interview in 2014, Gorbachev himself says that nothing of the kind was even part of the conversation ( http://rbth.com/international/2014/10/16/mikhail_gorbachev_i_am_against_all_walls_40673.html). The latter view is backed up by analysis from folks who have reviewed transcripts from the meetings at the time ( https://www.rferl.org/a/nato-expansion-russia-mislead/31263602.html). I don't know if the article, as I've edited it, follows NPOV, or if it's giving undue weight to any source, and I'd appreciate review. My initial thought is to treat Taubman's representation of events as a minority view. -- 140.162.13.134 ( talk) 18:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
The term Marxist-Leninism is somewhat of a wastebasket taxon within marxism. It refers to a lot of positions that dont always line up well. For example both Stalin and Trotsky saw themselves as the inheretors of Lennin's legacy but drew radically different conclusions about it, to the point that a significant level of violence became associated with the schism, culminating ultimately in the assasination of Leon Trotsky. Further, in China , the maoist and post maoist tendencies within chinese political history also have tended to lay claim to the mantle of Marxist Leninism. This schism persists to this day, particularly between the "trots" and "tankies" of Trotskyism and Stalinism respectively, as well as a growing resurgence of interest mostly in US circles in Maoism. To be clear Marxism-Leninism is a legitimate term and I'm not quarreling with the fact its used here, but I think it would be prudent to affix terms to denote the "flavor" of marxist-leninism, like "The prevailing interpretation of Marxist-Leninism" etc just so we dont convey the interpretation that ONLY Stalin, Kruschev or Gorbachev's interpretation was the "correct" one. And to be clear its not a small matter, theres an entire corpus of literature analysing this stuff, as well as less academic literature on "Revisionist marxism" and other more polemical contributions to the discussion. Duckmonster ( talk) 02:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
The "In the Arts" section, or, maybe an "In Popular Culture" section, might mention that "The Internet series" _Epic Rap Battles of History_ featured Gorbachev in the "Rasputin vs. Stalin" rap battle, played by Lloyd Ahlquist." 216.228.184.182 ( talk) 02:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I would like to start a discussion about using an updated photo of Gorbachev for the infobox image. The current on was taken in 1987, and while it is a good quality photo, it is very outdated. I’ve changed the photo a couple times to one from 2015, citing that it is more recent. My reasoning is that since Gorbachev is still living, a relatively newer photo is more appropriate. The user who reverted the edit stated that the photos of Presidents Carter and G. W. Bush were also outdated, but their photos are official photos taken during their time in office. The 1987 photo of Gorbachev is not an official photo, and therefore I think it should be updated to a more recent one, or to an official office photo. When Gorbachev dies, an older official photo (if one can be found) could and should then be used.
When it comes to politicians, I think official photos are the most appropriate to use, anyway. LordVesuvius ( talk) 16:41, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
There are rumours of Gorbachev's death on birdsite. Any RS? They should pop up quickly if the rumour is confirmed. Boud ( talk) 20:29, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Title says it all. Please change the page. Shhssh ( talk) 20:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
https://ria.ru/20220830/gorbachev-1813287586.html CallMeHyphen ( talk) 20:46, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Gorbachev's date of birth, 2 March 1931, has six sources given in Wikidata (at least three are online), and four offline sources here, so that seems undisputed. Russian sources presumably write that Gorbachev died in his "92nd year", or write "92" in a Russian convention of age that rounds up. In English, 91 years and just under 6 months (30 Aug 2022 minus 2 March 1931) is summarised in integer years as an "age of 91", not an "age of 92". Thomson Reuters, a WP:RS, has been quite sloppy about this. This is not a direct problem for this article, since we let mediawiki software calculate age instead of doing the calculation that was too difficult for Reuters journalists to do. Boud ( talk) 21:11, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
We achieved consensus for the lead photo a few months back, and people are replacing it for no reason. Please don’t remove it. If you want another photo to be in the lead, state your opinion on the talk page. Consensus can change. Fijipedia ( talk) 00:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
the info box picture has been changed over and over again. and there's no consensus for it so this is a talk section just for it, I'm taking a page out of the book of The Talk section of Olivia Newton-John and doing a !vote section.
I have compiled a gallery of all the candidate images, Just sign under your choice(s) 4me689 00:38, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Note that the third image was added after the voting started, so some people might want to reconsider their opinion. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 12:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove this sentence
Later that month, Bush visited Moscow, where he and Gorbachev signed the START I treaty, a bilateral agreement on the reduction and limitation of strategic offensive arms, after ten years of negotiation.
and replace it with this one:
Later that month, Bush visited Moscow, where he and Gorbachev concluded ten years of negotiations by signing the START I treaty, a bilateral agreement on the reduction and limitation of strategic offensive arms.
By moving up the ten years of negotiations, the sentence is reduced from five clauses to four — it's marginally longer, but simpler to understand. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 03:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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In this sentence:
In June 2018, he welcomed the 2018 Russia–United States summit between Putin and U.S. President Donald Trump,
Please change "2018 Russia-United States summit" to "Russia-United States summit". If a date isn't given for the summit, one would expect it to occur around the same time as his remarks, which are in June 2018. 123.51.107.94 ( talk) 03:44, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I tried to put two more in the section, but 'Stephanie' thinks they are not valid. Who is she to decide? AMCKen ( talk) 06:16, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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To change his death to the 14 august, because he died there https://www.gorby.ru/presscenter/news/show_30344/ This is the source 85.83.200.22 ( talk) 07:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
@ User:Ovinus Why do u think the Pizza Hut commercial is undue weight for the lead :) If it has an article about it I don't see it being there as undue. But maybe I'm missing something Stephanie921 ( talk) 02:04, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Both the articles for Lenin and Stalin include their death in the lede of the article. Why not for Gorbachev? There even is a sub article for specifically his funeral, indicating that it is a major event. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 19:21, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
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Woon Sue ( talk) 12:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
There is a conflict about the infobox image again. Let's discuss this @ 4me689. I do quite like the BW image actually, would be fine with having that one as the main image. Otherwise, the previous speech picture would be good. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 16:32, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
The Template:Mikhail Gorbachev series sidebar was removed. I think it should belong in this article. Can we put it back? PhotographyEdits ( talk) 14:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Exactly the title. There’s not a single citation except for a little thing that says [f] in the main body text of the page all the way from the start up until Early Life & Education. For example, it claims that he’s often derided in Russia, which may or may not be true, but there’s no citation for this claim, which makes it look a lot like hearsay instead of actual fact. 166.182.80.216 ( talk) 20:52, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
The "dubious" tag was added on 2 January 2024 by User:AverageWikiEditingEnjoyer, who wrote this edit summary:
"I thought numerous claims state he was closer to reformist marxism, market socialism, or an ideology closer to the ideology of "Eurocommunism" instead of "social democracy", which he only affiliated with much later on".
Since the editor acknowledges that Gorbachev did affiliate with social democracy, I'm not sure that the dubious tag is really warranted; but while it's there it should link to the editor's objection on the talk page. Richard75 ( talk) 13:23, 24 February 2024 (UTC)