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I don't think specific generation names are really that necessary to mention as the article intro is already so long. I think just saying his music and popularity span several generations or span generations from the 60s to the 00s or something to that liking would be sufficient and still signify the extents of his success. Vpuliva ( talk) 23:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
There's the generation that grew up with the Jackson Five, the generation that grew up with Off The Wall and Thriller, and the generation that grew up after Jackson stopped making good music. Grundle2600 ( talk) 00:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Why does Chamone redirect to Michael Jackson? Nowhere in the article nor in this discussion page is it spoken of Chanone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.178.30.180 ( talk) 02:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is this article still locked? It seems like the edits made were in good faith,yet TMZ who is right most of the time and was right about MJ's death is still not enough of a reliable resource for Wikipedia. I think it is a case of power hungry admins locking the article just because they can,that and the fact that they want to tell everyone that they wrote or were in charge of one of the biggest stories ever,Michael Jackson's death. It is time to unlock the article,I mean its been almost 4 days since he died. Is it going to be locked forever? Or locked until after the toxicology reports come in? That way the admins and not us regular folk will get credit for being the first to edit why he died. I thought Wikipedia was the encyclopedia that anyone can edit? Apparently that is not true.-- 70.156.0.160 ( talk) 03:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is the "Death" section a sub-sub-heading under milestones and such? I'd think it more appropriate as a sub-heading under "Life and career", if not it's own L2 heading. Thoughts? لenna vecia 04:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to split hairs, but I was always taught that 'first', 'second' is preferable to 'firstly', 'secondly'. I'd rather bring it up here than change it and have it reverted. Thoughts?-- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 06:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Done-- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 15:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I made a recent change to this article where in one part it says "movie." I changed it to "film" but was reverted by Aaroncrick with the explanation " Movie sounds better and more modern than 'film'."
I disagree with the assertion that "Movie sounds better and more modern than 'film'." My reasoning? "Movie" is not viewed as encyclopedic to many editors here, which is something I have been accustomed to and has led to my not seeing it as encyclopedic either. Flyer22 ( talk) 10:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Someone could add that, after his death, MJ's songs occupied 8 positions in the iTunes top 10. "Man in the Mirror" occupies the first position. Also, someone could add that Jackson's CDs' sales exploded. http://innerdaemon.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-itunes-domination/ http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Michael-Jackson-s-Albums-Climb-iTunes-Top-40-Fast-2.png/ http://digg.com/music/Michael_Jackson_iTunes_Popularity_PIC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrana ( talk • contribs) 16:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone identified the caller of the 911 call? It seems as though no one has mentioned the persons' name at all which I find odd in such a big death like this. I understand there is 26 pages of talk, but I'm hoping this has not been brought up. AcePuppy ( talk) 17:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Please expand this section; here is a starting link: http://philanthropy.com/giveandtake/index.php?id=1099
58.181.109.126 ( talk) 19:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)OR 29/june/2009
Some of the charities he supported including USA for Africa, the Make-a-Wish Foundation, and the Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation. He was listed in the guiness book of world records for the most amount of charities supported by a pop star, numbering 39 in total. In 1985 he wrote "we are the world" with Lionel Richie, a song which raised millions of dollars for famine relief in africa. In 1992 he crated ---ill carry on tomorrow... but you get the idea... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stakingsin ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
What? I can't post anything here now? Has my name been entered into the Hugger bot? I made a post and it was removed... apparently, a bot... or someone behind this bot. NiteHacker ( talk) 00:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Should this be amongst the external links, as it is now? WWGB ( talk) 01:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I tried to add spouses to the sidebar summary. I should be autoconfirmed, and the text is still present. This is what I entered:
| Spouse =
Lisa Marie Presley (1994–1996)
Deborah Jeanne Rowe (1996–1999)
Cmntgmry (
talk) 03:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Any info on who will inherit the Beatles song catalog? Or am I missing something and did he already sell them off when he was alive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.37.76 ( talk) 07:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
No,Paul McCartney did not get them. Why would he? The songs are worth millions,if not billions,and you don't just give something like that away. I am sure part or all of the catalog belong to his children in the event of his death.-- 70.156.0.160 ( talk) 00:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, the publishing venture owned by Michael Jackson and Sony Corp., will keep control of Beatles songs following the pop singer’s death, said a person with knowledge of the venture’s plans.
Jackson, who died yesterday at age 50 in Los Angeles, owned 50 percent of Sony/ATV, which holds rights to more than 200 songs written by John Lennon and Paul McCartney, as well Bob Dylan, Neil Diamond and others. His stake is worth about $1 billion, said Ivan Thornton, a private-wealth adviser who has worked with Jackson and his family.
Sony/ATV will continue to hold the Lennon and McCartney catalog, said the person, who asked not to be named because the matter isn’t public. The U.K.’s Daily Mirror reported in January that Jackson planned to leave the Beatles rights to McCartney in his will to heal a rift between the musicians. Jackson paid $47.5 million in 1985 to buy the ATV catalog, outbidding McCartney and Lennon’s widow, Yoko Ono.
Paul McCartney has never owned the publishing rights to the songs, having declined to buy them in 1984.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I boldly removed the recent death tag a couple times [2] [3] with edit comments because I don't think it improves the quality of reading for this article—mostly because this article is not about his death. The current event tag at Death of Michael Jackson takes care of this nicely. The section on his death, in WP:SS is only a few lines on this page. Thus, in my opinion, we should not burden readers with a tag that only affects a minimal portion of this article, as a whole. - Pecoc ( talk) 17:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
You missed the point, people will just be interested on michaels death, searching his name, and it would be helpful to have the link right there. I think it is the biggest, most important thing in the article atm and needs to be expanded, a lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stakingsin ( talk • contribs) 13:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
How can he be 11 in 1968? { 72.201.168.105 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC).
I'm just wondering, unless I missed it, why is there no mention in the article about MJ being burned during the shooting of a Pepsi commercial? http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/27/newsid_4046000/4046605.stm
-And besides, "Nation of Islam" is rejected as apostate by regular islam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.239.180.165 ( talk) 21:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
When he converted to Islam, he changed his name to Mikaeel Jackson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.156.194.5 ( talk) 12:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
what did Jackson really die from —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunniev ( talk • contribs) 03:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
There has been some vandalism in the "Death" section and it needs to be removed. I would remove it myself but the article is locked....
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I have a reliable source detailing the attempted purchase of the elephant man. It is published by Candian Broadcast Corp and is preserved at [
[4]]
97.112.166.80 (
talk) 06:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Not done:Welcome and thanks for wanting to improve this article. The {{editsemiprotected}}
template is used by non-autoconfirmed users to request specific changes to articles. Please use a "change X to Y" level of detail when you use this template. I tried to find an obvious place to simply insert the reference, but failed. The existing copy is already well referenced and this
primary source would not nessecarily conflict with those.
Celestra (
talk) 15:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
The infobox looks silly to me with so many occupations (plus it kinda violates our 'undue weight' provisions) - same with the 'businessman' in the lead - and the 'countertenor' bit is just plain wrong (see up top on this too) - any objections to removing? Privatemusings ( talk) 10:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I think the article requires a new updated image of Michael because most of these are based around during the 80s, it requires at least up to the 90s or onwards, users can email image owners from websites for permission (specify a Wikimedia license), see Commons:OTRS for more information on how to do this. DinajGao ( talk) 10:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
How is it that this article omits his spouses, Lisa Marie Presley and Deborah Jeanne Rowe? - his children? This info is present in infoboxes of other major figures, such as actors, politicians. Dogru144 ( talk) 10:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Article omits mention of Rwandan nanny, Rwaramba, and her increasingly important day-today role in his life. (e.g., pumping his stomach of drugs). Article omits attention to the nanny's ties to or Leonard Muhammad's role in Nation of Islam. The latter man is the son-in-law of Louis Farrakhan.<ref>Fox News "Claim: Jacko's Rep Threatened Harm From Nation of Islam" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510258,00.html</ref> Dogru144 ( talk) 17:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I just read about this: [5]. I don't seem to see this info here, so I'll let other editors sort it out. just64helpin ( talk) 18:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson had an album in the works that was said to be originally going to be released in July but was said to be delayed (sometime early this year) and to be released later this year [6]. Does anyone know if the album was finished before his death? Seeing as the above fact is true, maybe this would be released with his new album if it was indeed finished. AcePuppy ( talk) 01:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I think I've found the perfect answer (ignore the line 24/25 stuff and below; that was accidental and has been reverted), but there's a catch: The best-looking source that I could find was a page on JohnTorres.net. On further inspection, though, I was unable to link this site to John Torres; and in light of WP:SPS, I'm hesitant to deem this a reliable source. Seth Riggs has been noted several times to have called Jackson a "high tenor", and has been directly quoted in this regard. The assertion does not seem so outrageous as to raise many WP:BLP flags (in regard to Riggs), but in a BLP/ WP:FA it ought to be sourced as reliably as possible. So, if others find the JohnTorres.net citation problematic, they might want to remove it or to WP:COMMENT it out until a better source shows up. In any case, I think the operative questions are as follows: Can it be reliably understood that Riggs classified Jackson in this way? And, if so, then through what source can this be understood? Cosmic Latte ( talk) 06:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I offer this as a tentative placeholder, but still think that a good sourcing of Riggs's own classification might be ideal. Given MJ's distinctive voice, one would expect this matter to be long-settled by now... Cosmic Latte ( talk) 22:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/11/24/2008-11-24_michael_jackson_and_prince_of_bahrain_se.html states: Jackson's New York lawyer, Londell McMillan, took the opportunity to trash a British press report that Jackson has become a Muslim. "That's rubbish. It's completely untrue," McMillan told reporters.
Also, see Talk:Michael Jackson/Archive 21 and Talk:Michael Jackson/Archive 23#Why not write about his conversion to Islam?. - 84user ( talk) 21:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is the Peter Pan Syndrome listed under that section? No where in the article does it mention how Jackson could have the syndrome. 116.234.74.35 ( talk) 00:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Given recent events and the nearly 2,500 edits since July 2008 when this article made Featured status, should it go up for a review. -- Step hen 23:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Once again this factoid has cropped up in the infobox, without any comment on this talk page contending the reasons given why it isn't appropriate. Once again:
This article has been a stable FA for almost a year without the "countertenor" label. I've removed it again and suggest engaging on the talk page first if anyone still disagrees with this. Bigbluefish ( talk) 00:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson Breaks Billboard Charts Records....some of this information could be notable enough to include in the article, especially as coverage about his death and its impact. In particular, he became the first musical act to sell over 1 million digital singles in a week, an enormous feat. It's like Thriller all over again.
Also breaking: Sony becomes the first company to escape the global recession. They are going to make a ton of money. UberCryxic ( talk) 07:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Why is TMZ considered to be a reliable source of information? They provide no proof of their claim that Jackson's children are not his. Shouldn't the paragraph be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.234.24.253 ( talk) 09:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
it is also said that from repeated CPR michael jackson had some of his ribs broken, as a desperate attempt to bring him back but unfortunatley it didnt work —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.241.160 ( talk) 20:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson was raised a Jehovah's Witness but converted to Islam sometime in 2007 or November 2008 (the actual date is disputed). 3 of the sources in the article cite he was a Muslim, yet no mention of this is made in the article; why has this not been mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.213.178 ( talk) 19:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Because as we all know, The Sun is a crap British newspaper.-- Frank Fontaine ( talk) 8:49 pm, Today (UTC+1)
Really? I thought he was Christian... Well, your God is my God! Stakingsin ( talk) 20:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I think a new section about Michael Jackson religion should be somehow included in the article. It shouldn't be left out as it overwhelmingly passes WP:N & WP:CRYSTAL. If it is to be included, it should be somehow written in the safest way like "Michael Jackson was brought up as a bla bla bla... It is believed that he has converted bla bla bla". Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 04:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Why can't someone just ask Jermaine Jackson? Also I'm curious to know why the media reports the most useless news on the MJ death (like what kind of art he purchased before her died) but they won't clear up the speculation going on about his conversion? and if he is going to have an Islamic burial. It all seems so peculiar to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp67us ( talk • contribs) 00:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Michael may have a muslim funeral: The family of Michael Jackson is considering a traditional Muslim burial for the pop icon who had converted to Islam months prior to his death, says a new report. X 17 online, a celebrity website reported quoting sources close to the family that Jackson's new found will states that he will be buried in the traditions of his new faith. "The family is considering following the Muslim burial traditions because Michael would have wanted to be laid to rest in keeping with his new-found religious beliefs. Michael's brother Jermaine is educating the family as to the special rites," the source said Jackson had reportedly converted to Islam in November last year and taken the name of 'Mikhaail'. Meanwhile, a public viewing of the performer will take place on Friday at his fantasy themed abode California ranch, Neverland. There has been no official confirmation from Jackson's family on the location where his body will be laid to rest. [23] [24] [25] [26] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.14.54 ( talk) 10:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that Taraborelli is cited excessively in this article. I'm not familiar with what he wrote, but I think the entry would be more well-rounded with diverse sources. The section on the 1993 child abuse allegations is almost entirely cited to this author. What's more, it's a secondary source, so the information Taraborelli gathered had to come from somewhere. One example is LaToya stating to the press that she thought her brother was a pedophile. But when I checked the citation it's credited to Taborelli, who probably cited some interview that LaToya gave. I hope this can be cleaned up soon. 88.8.5.71 ( talk) 13:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I concur. The abuse allegation section reads as biased, something a defense attorney would write. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.56.104 ( talk) 01:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
My main concern isn't the tone, it's that there are sections of this entry that come out of one book, and in some cases the book is citing something else. Good academic writing mixes up the sources. 88.8.5.18 ( talk) 14:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
FYI, here are some claims that need to be kept out of the article. http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20288706,00.html WillOakland ( talk) 18:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Related to this, on what basis does Taraborrelli claim that Jackson was the source of some of the early rumors about himself? We've seen in the last week just how shameless "news" writers can be in fabricating quotes, manipulating soundbites etc. where Jackson is concerned. WillOakland ( talk) 07:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
It says here on Wiki that Michael's eldest son is named Michael Jackson I, but I'm like 99% sure it's Prince Michael Jackson I If it wasn't why would his second son go by Prince Michael Jackson the II? In his album booklets he thanks his kids & lists them as Prince, Paris and Blanket. Also, he named his boys Prince not because he's the "King of Pop", but because he's grandfather was named Prince. I think that could be added as a trivia sorta thing. 67.84.164.119 ( talk)Santos89
Read his will it states his 1st son's name as Prince Michael Jackson Jr. 67.84.164.119 ( talk)Santos89 —Preceding undated comment added 07:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC).
Michael Joseph Jackson's Last Will -- Psychodaddy ( talk) 06:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
The Will of Micheal jackson has been filed in a Los Angeles Court giving his entire estate to a family trust and naming his mother as a beneficiary of the trust and the guardian of his three children.-Mayur —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.216.13 ( talk) 13:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
fyi, I was watching Michael Jackson's 1993 Oprah interview in which he responds directly to the oxygen chamber story. I'd like to make the update myself but the article is locked.
I included it below. I'm new so I don't exactly know how this works. Rip me to shreds. Thanks.
Listed below is his response to the claim:
"That, that story is so crazy, I mean it's one of those tabloid things, it's completely made up... I did a commercial for Pepsi and I was burned very badly and we settled for 1 million dollars and I gave all the money...like, we bulit this place called the Michael Jackson Burn Centre and that's a piece of technology used for burn victims, right. So I'm looking at the piece of technology and decide to go inside it and just to hammer around, somebody takes the picture, when they process the picture the person who processes the picture says,
'Oh Michael Jackson.' He made a copy and these pictures went all over the world with this lie attached to it. It's a complete lie, why do people buy these papers? It's not the truth I'm here to say. You know, don't judge a person, do not pass judgement, unless you have talked to them one on one. I don't care what the story is, do not judge them because it is a lie."
Please refer to the transcript at [28]. The actual video is available for viewing on youtube [29].
joe_bob_attacks ( talk) 10:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson's will lists his children as Prince Michael Jackson Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Joseph Jackson II.
Other documents lists them as Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson, II.
http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0701_mj_will_wm.pdf http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/jackson_guardianship062909.pdf
Some documents list Michael's full name as Michael Joe Jackson.
It could be added to the 'Also known as' section.
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/042805minuteorder.pdf http://www.countyofsb.org/da/documents/ce-felonycomplaint-12-18mj.pdf
Israell ( talk) 20:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
The infobox has that he was a multi-instrumentalist but the article has no mention of him having lessons, practicing, performing or recording with any instruments. I think this qualifies as being unreferenced. Kansaikiwi ( talk) 02:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
in death of Sid Vicious, he died of overdose of heroin from what would be called a hot dose, (where the heroin is mucher purer than usual and so leads to death) ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_vicious#Death ; what this has to do with Michael Jackson is that in Sid Vicious case, he has just released in past year or so 3 top 5 hits in UK that were earning well, but on his death they sky rocketed to even larger sales suggesting he was given that hot dose of heroin on purpose; that is the situation with Michael Jackson; with his death, his sales of old albums etc have skyrocketed, reported Wed /today to have sold 450,000 in sales the past 4-5 days with his albums/ records being also top 9 of 10 in sales in pop; SO who stands to profit hugely from Michael Jackson's recent death... beside his estate and children ? and esp in regard to the UK tour, esp when he had finished to some degree having taped the songs and dancing for that tour in his practices ... fan 69.121.221.97 ( talk) 01:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
It may be interesting to note that Bubble's is now in the Center for Great Apes in Florida. According to the CNN article, Bubbles became "too big and strong for Jackson to keep as a pet." [31] joe_bob_attacks ( talk) 15:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.84.205.200 ( talk)
There are an awful lot of references to Allmusic here, in partuicular some inappropriate ones like non-contemporaneous reviews and comments on singing style that might just as well have been made by anybody. I suggest that they may have been inserted to promote the site. As a comparison, there are five references to Allmusic and five to Rolling Stone magazine. Does Allmusic really deserve such prominence? DavidFarmbrough ( talk) 06:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
A video game has been announced, should it be added to any of his articles? http://www.mjdatabank.com/english_version/news/2009/june/20090621_mj_video_game.htm Portillo ( talk) 05:41, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Jacksons life has many similarities to Presley's. Graceland/Neverland, drugs, suspicious "death" and rumours about the "death" being a hoax. The news that jackson was seen on Hawaii the 30th of June is just an other example of this. Perhaps the article ought to reflect this and make some comments about these sightings. It is a puzzle to me that the Presley-article lacks this information. Given the huge number of persons that have reported seeing Presley it is a puzzle that this fact is left out. Shall the Jackson article have the same lack of information? Personalyy I believe that the most neutral way to describe the current events is to write that Jackson "withdraw from public life in June 2009", and leave it up to everyone to decide if they want to believe he is dead or bewlieve the huge number of persons having seen him since. 85.227.196.162 ( talk) 07:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 20 | ← | Archive 24 | Archive 25 | Archive 26 | Archive 27 | Archive 28 | → | Archive 30 |
I don't think specific generation names are really that necessary to mention as the article intro is already so long. I think just saying his music and popularity span several generations or span generations from the 60s to the 00s or something to that liking would be sufficient and still signify the extents of his success. Vpuliva ( talk) 23:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
There's the generation that grew up with the Jackson Five, the generation that grew up with Off The Wall and Thriller, and the generation that grew up after Jackson stopped making good music. Grundle2600 ( talk) 00:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Why does Chamone redirect to Michael Jackson? Nowhere in the article nor in this discussion page is it spoken of Chanone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.178.30.180 ( talk) 02:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is this article still locked? It seems like the edits made were in good faith,yet TMZ who is right most of the time and was right about MJ's death is still not enough of a reliable resource for Wikipedia. I think it is a case of power hungry admins locking the article just because they can,that and the fact that they want to tell everyone that they wrote or were in charge of one of the biggest stories ever,Michael Jackson's death. It is time to unlock the article,I mean its been almost 4 days since he died. Is it going to be locked forever? Or locked until after the toxicology reports come in? That way the admins and not us regular folk will get credit for being the first to edit why he died. I thought Wikipedia was the encyclopedia that anyone can edit? Apparently that is not true.-- 70.156.0.160 ( talk) 03:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is the "Death" section a sub-sub-heading under milestones and such? I'd think it more appropriate as a sub-heading under "Life and career", if not it's own L2 heading. Thoughts? لenna vecia 04:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to split hairs, but I was always taught that 'first', 'second' is preferable to 'firstly', 'secondly'. I'd rather bring it up here than change it and have it reverted. Thoughts?-- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 06:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Done-- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 15:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I made a recent change to this article where in one part it says "movie." I changed it to "film" but was reverted by Aaroncrick with the explanation " Movie sounds better and more modern than 'film'."
I disagree with the assertion that "Movie sounds better and more modern than 'film'." My reasoning? "Movie" is not viewed as encyclopedic to many editors here, which is something I have been accustomed to and has led to my not seeing it as encyclopedic either. Flyer22 ( talk) 10:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Someone could add that, after his death, MJ's songs occupied 8 positions in the iTunes top 10. "Man in the Mirror" occupies the first position. Also, someone could add that Jackson's CDs' sales exploded. http://innerdaemon.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-itunes-domination/ http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Michael-Jackson-s-Albums-Climb-iTunes-Top-40-Fast-2.png/ http://digg.com/music/Michael_Jackson_iTunes_Popularity_PIC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrana ( talk • contribs) 16:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone identified the caller of the 911 call? It seems as though no one has mentioned the persons' name at all which I find odd in such a big death like this. I understand there is 26 pages of talk, but I'm hoping this has not been brought up. AcePuppy ( talk) 17:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Please expand this section; here is a starting link: http://philanthropy.com/giveandtake/index.php?id=1099
58.181.109.126 ( talk) 19:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)OR 29/june/2009
Some of the charities he supported including USA for Africa, the Make-a-Wish Foundation, and the Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation. He was listed in the guiness book of world records for the most amount of charities supported by a pop star, numbering 39 in total. In 1985 he wrote "we are the world" with Lionel Richie, a song which raised millions of dollars for famine relief in africa. In 1992 he crated ---ill carry on tomorrow... but you get the idea... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stakingsin ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
What? I can't post anything here now? Has my name been entered into the Hugger bot? I made a post and it was removed... apparently, a bot... or someone behind this bot. NiteHacker ( talk) 00:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Should this be amongst the external links, as it is now? WWGB ( talk) 01:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I tried to add spouses to the sidebar summary. I should be autoconfirmed, and the text is still present. This is what I entered:
| Spouse =
Lisa Marie Presley (1994–1996)
Deborah Jeanne Rowe (1996–1999)
Cmntgmry (
talk) 03:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Any info on who will inherit the Beatles song catalog? Or am I missing something and did he already sell them off when he was alive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.37.76 ( talk) 07:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
No,Paul McCartney did not get them. Why would he? The songs are worth millions,if not billions,and you don't just give something like that away. I am sure part or all of the catalog belong to his children in the event of his death.-- 70.156.0.160 ( talk) 00:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, the publishing venture owned by Michael Jackson and Sony Corp., will keep control of Beatles songs following the pop singer’s death, said a person with knowledge of the venture’s plans.
Jackson, who died yesterday at age 50 in Los Angeles, owned 50 percent of Sony/ATV, which holds rights to more than 200 songs written by John Lennon and Paul McCartney, as well Bob Dylan, Neil Diamond and others. His stake is worth about $1 billion, said Ivan Thornton, a private-wealth adviser who has worked with Jackson and his family.
Sony/ATV will continue to hold the Lennon and McCartney catalog, said the person, who asked not to be named because the matter isn’t public. The U.K.’s Daily Mirror reported in January that Jackson planned to leave the Beatles rights to McCartney in his will to heal a rift between the musicians. Jackson paid $47.5 million in 1985 to buy the ATV catalog, outbidding McCartney and Lennon’s widow, Yoko Ono.
Paul McCartney has never owned the publishing rights to the songs, having declined to buy them in 1984.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I boldly removed the recent death tag a couple times [2] [3] with edit comments because I don't think it improves the quality of reading for this article—mostly because this article is not about his death. The current event tag at Death of Michael Jackson takes care of this nicely. The section on his death, in WP:SS is only a few lines on this page. Thus, in my opinion, we should not burden readers with a tag that only affects a minimal portion of this article, as a whole. - Pecoc ( talk) 17:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
You missed the point, people will just be interested on michaels death, searching his name, and it would be helpful to have the link right there. I think it is the biggest, most important thing in the article atm and needs to be expanded, a lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stakingsin ( talk • contribs) 13:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
How can he be 11 in 1968? { 72.201.168.105 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC).
I'm just wondering, unless I missed it, why is there no mention in the article about MJ being burned during the shooting of a Pepsi commercial? http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/27/newsid_4046000/4046605.stm
-And besides, "Nation of Islam" is rejected as apostate by regular islam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.239.180.165 ( talk) 21:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
When he converted to Islam, he changed his name to Mikaeel Jackson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.156.194.5 ( talk) 12:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
what did Jackson really die from —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunniev ( talk • contribs) 03:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
There has been some vandalism in the "Death" section and it needs to be removed. I would remove it myself but the article is locked....
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I have a reliable source detailing the attempted purchase of the elephant man. It is published by Candian Broadcast Corp and is preserved at [
[4]]
97.112.166.80 (
talk) 06:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Not done:Welcome and thanks for wanting to improve this article. The {{editsemiprotected}}
template is used by non-autoconfirmed users to request specific changes to articles. Please use a "change X to Y" level of detail when you use this template. I tried to find an obvious place to simply insert the reference, but failed. The existing copy is already well referenced and this
primary source would not nessecarily conflict with those.
Celestra (
talk) 15:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
The infobox looks silly to me with so many occupations (plus it kinda violates our 'undue weight' provisions) - same with the 'businessman' in the lead - and the 'countertenor' bit is just plain wrong (see up top on this too) - any objections to removing? Privatemusings ( talk) 10:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I think the article requires a new updated image of Michael because most of these are based around during the 80s, it requires at least up to the 90s or onwards, users can email image owners from websites for permission (specify a Wikimedia license), see Commons:OTRS for more information on how to do this. DinajGao ( talk) 10:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
How is it that this article omits his spouses, Lisa Marie Presley and Deborah Jeanne Rowe? - his children? This info is present in infoboxes of other major figures, such as actors, politicians. Dogru144 ( talk) 10:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Article omits mention of Rwandan nanny, Rwaramba, and her increasingly important day-today role in his life. (e.g., pumping his stomach of drugs). Article omits attention to the nanny's ties to or Leonard Muhammad's role in Nation of Islam. The latter man is the son-in-law of Louis Farrakhan.<ref>Fox News "Claim: Jacko's Rep Threatened Harm From Nation of Islam" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510258,00.html</ref> Dogru144 ( talk) 17:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I just read about this: [5]. I don't seem to see this info here, so I'll let other editors sort it out. just64helpin ( talk) 18:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson had an album in the works that was said to be originally going to be released in July but was said to be delayed (sometime early this year) and to be released later this year [6]. Does anyone know if the album was finished before his death? Seeing as the above fact is true, maybe this would be released with his new album if it was indeed finished. AcePuppy ( talk) 01:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I think I've found the perfect answer (ignore the line 24/25 stuff and below; that was accidental and has been reverted), but there's a catch: The best-looking source that I could find was a page on JohnTorres.net. On further inspection, though, I was unable to link this site to John Torres; and in light of WP:SPS, I'm hesitant to deem this a reliable source. Seth Riggs has been noted several times to have called Jackson a "high tenor", and has been directly quoted in this regard. The assertion does not seem so outrageous as to raise many WP:BLP flags (in regard to Riggs), but in a BLP/ WP:FA it ought to be sourced as reliably as possible. So, if others find the JohnTorres.net citation problematic, they might want to remove it or to WP:COMMENT it out until a better source shows up. In any case, I think the operative questions are as follows: Can it be reliably understood that Riggs classified Jackson in this way? And, if so, then through what source can this be understood? Cosmic Latte ( talk) 06:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I offer this as a tentative placeholder, but still think that a good sourcing of Riggs's own classification might be ideal. Given MJ's distinctive voice, one would expect this matter to be long-settled by now... Cosmic Latte ( talk) 22:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/11/24/2008-11-24_michael_jackson_and_prince_of_bahrain_se.html states: Jackson's New York lawyer, Londell McMillan, took the opportunity to trash a British press report that Jackson has become a Muslim. "That's rubbish. It's completely untrue," McMillan told reporters.
Also, see Talk:Michael Jackson/Archive 21 and Talk:Michael Jackson/Archive 23#Why not write about his conversion to Islam?. - 84user ( talk) 21:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is the Peter Pan Syndrome listed under that section? No where in the article does it mention how Jackson could have the syndrome. 116.234.74.35 ( talk) 00:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Given recent events and the nearly 2,500 edits since July 2008 when this article made Featured status, should it go up for a review. -- Step hen 23:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Once again this factoid has cropped up in the infobox, without any comment on this talk page contending the reasons given why it isn't appropriate. Once again:
This article has been a stable FA for almost a year without the "countertenor" label. I've removed it again and suggest engaging on the talk page first if anyone still disagrees with this. Bigbluefish ( talk) 00:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson Breaks Billboard Charts Records....some of this information could be notable enough to include in the article, especially as coverage about his death and its impact. In particular, he became the first musical act to sell over 1 million digital singles in a week, an enormous feat. It's like Thriller all over again.
Also breaking: Sony becomes the first company to escape the global recession. They are going to make a ton of money. UberCryxic ( talk) 07:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Why is TMZ considered to be a reliable source of information? They provide no proof of their claim that Jackson's children are not his. Shouldn't the paragraph be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.234.24.253 ( talk) 09:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
it is also said that from repeated CPR michael jackson had some of his ribs broken, as a desperate attempt to bring him back but unfortunatley it didnt work —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.241.160 ( talk) 20:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson was raised a Jehovah's Witness but converted to Islam sometime in 2007 or November 2008 (the actual date is disputed). 3 of the sources in the article cite he was a Muslim, yet no mention of this is made in the article; why has this not been mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.213.178 ( talk) 19:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Because as we all know, The Sun is a crap British newspaper.-- Frank Fontaine ( talk) 8:49 pm, Today (UTC+1)
Really? I thought he was Christian... Well, your God is my God! Stakingsin ( talk) 20:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I think a new section about Michael Jackson religion should be somehow included in the article. It shouldn't be left out as it overwhelmingly passes WP:N & WP:CRYSTAL. If it is to be included, it should be somehow written in the safest way like "Michael Jackson was brought up as a bla bla bla... It is believed that he has converted bla bla bla". Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 04:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Why can't someone just ask Jermaine Jackson? Also I'm curious to know why the media reports the most useless news on the MJ death (like what kind of art he purchased before her died) but they won't clear up the speculation going on about his conversion? and if he is going to have an Islamic burial. It all seems so peculiar to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp67us ( talk • contribs) 00:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Michael may have a muslim funeral: The family of Michael Jackson is considering a traditional Muslim burial for the pop icon who had converted to Islam months prior to his death, says a new report. X 17 online, a celebrity website reported quoting sources close to the family that Jackson's new found will states that he will be buried in the traditions of his new faith. "The family is considering following the Muslim burial traditions because Michael would have wanted to be laid to rest in keeping with his new-found religious beliefs. Michael's brother Jermaine is educating the family as to the special rites," the source said Jackson had reportedly converted to Islam in November last year and taken the name of 'Mikhaail'. Meanwhile, a public viewing of the performer will take place on Friday at his fantasy themed abode California ranch, Neverland. There has been no official confirmation from Jackson's family on the location where his body will be laid to rest. [23] [24] [25] [26] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.14.54 ( talk) 10:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that Taraborelli is cited excessively in this article. I'm not familiar with what he wrote, but I think the entry would be more well-rounded with diverse sources. The section on the 1993 child abuse allegations is almost entirely cited to this author. What's more, it's a secondary source, so the information Taraborelli gathered had to come from somewhere. One example is LaToya stating to the press that she thought her brother was a pedophile. But when I checked the citation it's credited to Taborelli, who probably cited some interview that LaToya gave. I hope this can be cleaned up soon. 88.8.5.71 ( talk) 13:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I concur. The abuse allegation section reads as biased, something a defense attorney would write. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.56.104 ( talk) 01:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
My main concern isn't the tone, it's that there are sections of this entry that come out of one book, and in some cases the book is citing something else. Good academic writing mixes up the sources. 88.8.5.18 ( talk) 14:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
FYI, here are some claims that need to be kept out of the article. http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20288706,00.html WillOakland ( talk) 18:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Related to this, on what basis does Taraborrelli claim that Jackson was the source of some of the early rumors about himself? We've seen in the last week just how shameless "news" writers can be in fabricating quotes, manipulating soundbites etc. where Jackson is concerned. WillOakland ( talk) 07:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
It says here on Wiki that Michael's eldest son is named Michael Jackson I, but I'm like 99% sure it's Prince Michael Jackson I If it wasn't why would his second son go by Prince Michael Jackson the II? In his album booklets he thanks his kids & lists them as Prince, Paris and Blanket. Also, he named his boys Prince not because he's the "King of Pop", but because he's grandfather was named Prince. I think that could be added as a trivia sorta thing. 67.84.164.119 ( talk)Santos89
Read his will it states his 1st son's name as Prince Michael Jackson Jr. 67.84.164.119 ( talk)Santos89 —Preceding undated comment added 07:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC).
Michael Joseph Jackson's Last Will -- Psychodaddy ( talk) 06:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
The Will of Micheal jackson has been filed in a Los Angeles Court giving his entire estate to a family trust and naming his mother as a beneficiary of the trust and the guardian of his three children.-Mayur —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.216.13 ( talk) 13:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
fyi, I was watching Michael Jackson's 1993 Oprah interview in which he responds directly to the oxygen chamber story. I'd like to make the update myself but the article is locked.
I included it below. I'm new so I don't exactly know how this works. Rip me to shreds. Thanks.
Listed below is his response to the claim:
"That, that story is so crazy, I mean it's one of those tabloid things, it's completely made up... I did a commercial for Pepsi and I was burned very badly and we settled for 1 million dollars and I gave all the money...like, we bulit this place called the Michael Jackson Burn Centre and that's a piece of technology used for burn victims, right. So I'm looking at the piece of technology and decide to go inside it and just to hammer around, somebody takes the picture, when they process the picture the person who processes the picture says,
'Oh Michael Jackson.' He made a copy and these pictures went all over the world with this lie attached to it. It's a complete lie, why do people buy these papers? It's not the truth I'm here to say. You know, don't judge a person, do not pass judgement, unless you have talked to them one on one. I don't care what the story is, do not judge them because it is a lie."
Please refer to the transcript at [28]. The actual video is available for viewing on youtube [29].
joe_bob_attacks ( talk) 10:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson's will lists his children as Prince Michael Jackson Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Joseph Jackson II.
Other documents lists them as Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson, II.
http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0701_mj_will_wm.pdf http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/jackson_guardianship062909.pdf
Some documents list Michael's full name as Michael Joe Jackson.
It could be added to the 'Also known as' section.
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/042805minuteorder.pdf http://www.countyofsb.org/da/documents/ce-felonycomplaint-12-18mj.pdf
Israell ( talk) 20:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
The infobox has that he was a multi-instrumentalist but the article has no mention of him having lessons, practicing, performing or recording with any instruments. I think this qualifies as being unreferenced. Kansaikiwi ( talk) 02:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
in death of Sid Vicious, he died of overdose of heroin from what would be called a hot dose, (where the heroin is mucher purer than usual and so leads to death) ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_vicious#Death ; what this has to do with Michael Jackson is that in Sid Vicious case, he has just released in past year or so 3 top 5 hits in UK that were earning well, but on his death they sky rocketed to even larger sales suggesting he was given that hot dose of heroin on purpose; that is the situation with Michael Jackson; with his death, his sales of old albums etc have skyrocketed, reported Wed /today to have sold 450,000 in sales the past 4-5 days with his albums/ records being also top 9 of 10 in sales in pop; SO who stands to profit hugely from Michael Jackson's recent death... beside his estate and children ? and esp in regard to the UK tour, esp when he had finished to some degree having taped the songs and dancing for that tour in his practices ... fan 69.121.221.97 ( talk) 01:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
It may be interesting to note that Bubble's is now in the Center for Great Apes in Florida. According to the CNN article, Bubbles became "too big and strong for Jackson to keep as a pet." [31] joe_bob_attacks ( talk) 15:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.84.205.200 ( talk)
There are an awful lot of references to Allmusic here, in partuicular some inappropriate ones like non-contemporaneous reviews and comments on singing style that might just as well have been made by anybody. I suggest that they may have been inserted to promote the site. As a comparison, there are five references to Allmusic and five to Rolling Stone magazine. Does Allmusic really deserve such prominence? DavidFarmbrough ( talk) 06:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
A video game has been announced, should it be added to any of his articles? http://www.mjdatabank.com/english_version/news/2009/june/20090621_mj_video_game.htm Portillo ( talk) 05:41, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Jacksons life has many similarities to Presley's. Graceland/Neverland, drugs, suspicious "death" and rumours about the "death" being a hoax. The news that jackson was seen on Hawaii the 30th of June is just an other example of this. Perhaps the article ought to reflect this and make some comments about these sightings. It is a puzzle to me that the Presley-article lacks this information. Given the huge number of persons that have reported seeing Presley it is a puzzle that this fact is left out. Shall the Jackson article have the same lack of information? Personalyy I believe that the most neutral way to describe the current events is to write that Jackson "withdraw from public life in June 2009", and leave it up to everyone to decide if they want to believe he is dead or bewlieve the huge number of persons having seen him since. 85.227.196.162 ( talk) 07:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)