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This article needs a rewrite. It simply does not cover enough of his time in IndyCar/ChampCar. There is too much discussion about his ill fated season in F1, and not enough discussion about the rest of his career. I don't understand why Wikipedia highlights a driver's Formula 1 career so much when they were best known for being in another form of racing. It makes sense for drivers like Michael Schumacher or Aryton Senna, but not Andretti. What if Dale Earnhardt drove a season in F1, would that write out all of his NASCAR accomplishments? He has had a great IndyCar and ChampCar career, and there needs to be more emphasis on that. Tkd73
It's also fair to note that his short career in F1 was high profile within the F1 world and amongst its fans for a couple of reasons, firstly his surname and also that the series he came from gained a vastly increased profile amongst the F1 fans due to Nigel Mansell's transfer in th eopposite direction - much was made at the time of the contrast between Andretti's failure and Mansell's success respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.113.170.97 ( talk) 15:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
The series he owns a team in is no longer Indy Racing League, it is Indycar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.174.98 ( talk) 15:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
He is a famous Roman Catholic [1], but I don't know where to put it in the article. Royalbroil 13:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Gee, don't you think there's lots of Roman Catholics in high places? Does it really matter what his religion is? You dont know where to put it in the article? Just leave it out. 74.166.156.250 ( talk) 01:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I am trying to update high school affiliations for Lehigh Valley people. Does anyone know where he went to high school? PAWiki 18:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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I recommend combining the two "Champcar" tables into a single table (labelled "CART" - I think the series was called "CART" the whole time Andretti competed in it). I don't think it matters that he did a year of F1 in the middle. DH85868993 ( talk) 06:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
There should be a paragraph regarding Michael Andretti's participation in the 2012 season of Celebrity Apprentice. Let me add, when they had the boardroom deliberations on who should be fired, the accusation was that Michael did not contribute enough to the project, which was a presentation to Buick executives, and other studio guests, of a new Buick vehicle, the Verano. The other celebrities said Michael did not make clever use of his status as a famous racecar driver, to promote the vehicle. "I'm not a salesman" was Michael Andretti's defense of himself. However neither Trump nor the contestants articulated a key point which was obvious to me, but apparently not obvious to them. Michael Andretti sat in the driver's seat for the mens team's test-drive of the Buick Verano. Michael Andretti has the professional understanding of why a car performs the way it does; So it begs the question: did Michael Andretti learn something about the Buick Verano during that test drive? And the most important point, which nobody addressed during that episode, was why didnt Michael Andretti transfer what he learned from that test drive into a communicable piece of information during the final presentation? Marc Smilen, Dania Florida, writing as 206.192.35.125 ( talk) 21:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Falcadore: You completely miss the point. Yes, Andretti has either done many appearances, or had the celebrity credential to do many appearances. But the appearance on Celebrity Apprentice had DIRECT RELEVANCE. Andretti is a RACE CAR driver, and he was fired from Apprentice for his performance on a project which was to promote a BUICK VEHICLE!!!! .....Theoldsparkle: I edited your paragraph again. It is completely incorrect for you to say Andretti's firing from Celebrity Apprentice was due to "reluctance to lead his team." Theo: It was NOT Andretti's job to lead the team. It was Adam Carolla's job to lead the team. Adam Carolla was the mens' team project manager on the Buick Verano presentation. ...And you really should add at least one sentence stating that Andretti was in the driver's seat for the test-drive. Marc Smilen, Dania Florida AKA 206.192.35.125 ( talk) 19:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Andretti understands braking. He understands skidding. He understands how to steer in a skid. He understands vehicle response to acceleration. Andretti understands wheel-base, and suspension, and how a car takes turns. So don't tell me there's no relevance. There are inherent principles in a road vehicle that Michael Andretti understands more than the average driver on the city road. Legal Highway speeds are up to 75, which means some jerks are going to try to do 85 on the highway. Skills like Andretti's are more important on todays highways than they were twenty years ago. Todays four cylinder engine completely blows away any four cylinder engine from twenty five years ago. Theoldsparkle, where are you???? Whats your response? MArc Smilen, Dania Florida 74.166.156.250 ( talk) 02:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Even if he thought the Buick Verano was a shitbox, thats irrelevant. His job was to help his team leader sell the Buick. The consensus of a whole boardroom of Celebrity Apprentices, Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump, was that racecar driver Michael Andretti has clout to sell a vehicle, and should have given some sales points to the Buick executives. Marc Smilen, Dania Florida 74.166.156.250 ( talk) 02:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
An analogy much better than your 7-11 Analogy, which makes no sense, would be a camera. Like a racecar is an expensive souped-up vehicle for professional exhibitions, there are professional cameras which cost upwards of two to three thousand dollars. There are people who make their living as photographers. The average consumer camera, just like the average consumer vehicle, has a range from very cheap to very expensive. If you own a camera company, you want to promote your product. You might hire professional photographers to test your new camera. You might hire them to endorse and promote your new camera. You might argue that the consumer camera is not the same as a professional camera. But there's inherent principles in all cameras that are the same: Aperature; focus; shutter speed; landscape mode; portrait mode; fast-frame mode.... the average photographer can choose to be lazy or disinterested, and continue to be a lousy photographer. And the average road driver can continue to be a lousy, unskilled, unknowledgeable driver. ....milk at 7-11 was a weak example. ...people dont buy tickets to watch professional milk drinkers. ...and the retailing specifically of milk does not involve big promotional effort. ...and a cashier is not considered a sales function. A Car dealership has cashiers; What does a cashier have to do with sales and promotion? Marc Smilen, Dania Florida 206.192.35.125 ( talk) 12:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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This article needs a rewrite. It simply does not cover enough of his time in IndyCar/ChampCar. There is too much discussion about his ill fated season in F1, and not enough discussion about the rest of his career. I don't understand why Wikipedia highlights a driver's Formula 1 career so much when they were best known for being in another form of racing. It makes sense for drivers like Michael Schumacher or Aryton Senna, but not Andretti. What if Dale Earnhardt drove a season in F1, would that write out all of his NASCAR accomplishments? He has had a great IndyCar and ChampCar career, and there needs to be more emphasis on that. Tkd73
It's also fair to note that his short career in F1 was high profile within the F1 world and amongst its fans for a couple of reasons, firstly his surname and also that the series he came from gained a vastly increased profile amongst the F1 fans due to Nigel Mansell's transfer in th eopposite direction - much was made at the time of the contrast between Andretti's failure and Mansell's success respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.113.170.97 ( talk) 15:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
The series he owns a team in is no longer Indy Racing League, it is Indycar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.174.98 ( talk) 15:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
He is a famous Roman Catholic [1], but I don't know where to put it in the article. Royalbroil 13:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Gee, don't you think there's lots of Roman Catholics in high places? Does it really matter what his religion is? You dont know where to put it in the article? Just leave it out. 74.166.156.250 ( talk) 01:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I am trying to update high school affiliations for Lehigh Valley people. Does anyone know where he went to high school? PAWiki 18:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I recommend combining the two "Champcar" tables into a single table (labelled "CART" - I think the series was called "CART" the whole time Andretti competed in it). I don't think it matters that he did a year of F1 in the middle. DH85868993 ( talk) 06:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
There should be a paragraph regarding Michael Andretti's participation in the 2012 season of Celebrity Apprentice. Let me add, when they had the boardroom deliberations on who should be fired, the accusation was that Michael did not contribute enough to the project, which was a presentation to Buick executives, and other studio guests, of a new Buick vehicle, the Verano. The other celebrities said Michael did not make clever use of his status as a famous racecar driver, to promote the vehicle. "I'm not a salesman" was Michael Andretti's defense of himself. However neither Trump nor the contestants articulated a key point which was obvious to me, but apparently not obvious to them. Michael Andretti sat in the driver's seat for the mens team's test-drive of the Buick Verano. Michael Andretti has the professional understanding of why a car performs the way it does; So it begs the question: did Michael Andretti learn something about the Buick Verano during that test drive? And the most important point, which nobody addressed during that episode, was why didnt Michael Andretti transfer what he learned from that test drive into a communicable piece of information during the final presentation? Marc Smilen, Dania Florida, writing as 206.192.35.125 ( talk) 21:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Falcadore: You completely miss the point. Yes, Andretti has either done many appearances, or had the celebrity credential to do many appearances. But the appearance on Celebrity Apprentice had DIRECT RELEVANCE. Andretti is a RACE CAR driver, and he was fired from Apprentice for his performance on a project which was to promote a BUICK VEHICLE!!!! .....Theoldsparkle: I edited your paragraph again. It is completely incorrect for you to say Andretti's firing from Celebrity Apprentice was due to "reluctance to lead his team." Theo: It was NOT Andretti's job to lead the team. It was Adam Carolla's job to lead the team. Adam Carolla was the mens' team project manager on the Buick Verano presentation. ...And you really should add at least one sentence stating that Andretti was in the driver's seat for the test-drive. Marc Smilen, Dania Florida AKA 206.192.35.125 ( talk) 19:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Andretti understands braking. He understands skidding. He understands how to steer in a skid. He understands vehicle response to acceleration. Andretti understands wheel-base, and suspension, and how a car takes turns. So don't tell me there's no relevance. There are inherent principles in a road vehicle that Michael Andretti understands more than the average driver on the city road. Legal Highway speeds are up to 75, which means some jerks are going to try to do 85 on the highway. Skills like Andretti's are more important on todays highways than they were twenty years ago. Todays four cylinder engine completely blows away any four cylinder engine from twenty five years ago. Theoldsparkle, where are you???? Whats your response? MArc Smilen, Dania Florida 74.166.156.250 ( talk) 02:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Even if he thought the Buick Verano was a shitbox, thats irrelevant. His job was to help his team leader sell the Buick. The consensus of a whole boardroom of Celebrity Apprentices, Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump, was that racecar driver Michael Andretti has clout to sell a vehicle, and should have given some sales points to the Buick executives. Marc Smilen, Dania Florida 74.166.156.250 ( talk) 02:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
An analogy much better than your 7-11 Analogy, which makes no sense, would be a camera. Like a racecar is an expensive souped-up vehicle for professional exhibitions, there are professional cameras which cost upwards of two to three thousand dollars. There are people who make their living as photographers. The average consumer camera, just like the average consumer vehicle, has a range from very cheap to very expensive. If you own a camera company, you want to promote your product. You might hire professional photographers to test your new camera. You might hire them to endorse and promote your new camera. You might argue that the consumer camera is not the same as a professional camera. But there's inherent principles in all cameras that are the same: Aperature; focus; shutter speed; landscape mode; portrait mode; fast-frame mode.... the average photographer can choose to be lazy or disinterested, and continue to be a lousy photographer. And the average road driver can continue to be a lousy, unskilled, unknowledgeable driver. ....milk at 7-11 was a weak example. ...people dont buy tickets to watch professional milk drinkers. ...and the retailing specifically of milk does not involve big promotional effort. ...and a cashier is not considered a sales function. A Car dealership has cashiers; What does a cashier have to do with sales and promotion? Marc Smilen, Dania Florida 206.192.35.125 ( talk) 12:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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