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Can anyone explain why Mercer County, Pennsylvania is not listed as part of the Youngstown metropolitan area, although it's included on the map, and in the census source? It's listed as a separate micropolitan statistical area, but I don't know why. Kk.urban ( talk) 22:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The Office of Management and Budget periodically (one or twice a decade) revises the definitions of MSAs. While Mercer County was included in the Youngstown-Warren-Boardman MSA in 2013, it is not included in the Youngstown-Warren MSA as of 2023. ^[1]

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Donald Albury 00:17, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The Youngstown OH stats must be off. All three numbers (2023, 2020, % change) are exactly the same as the next entry, Savannah GA metropolitan area. The different ranking numbers also point to a transcription error. Mason.Jones ( talk) 15:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The 2020 census population for Youngstown-Warren MSA is wrong in that list, but I have not found a 2023 population estimate for the MSA, so I did not edit the list. Donald Albury 16:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I found the error and changed the figures. They were clearly listed by U.S. Census on their 2023 populations estimates webpage. Mason.Jones ( talk) 18:15, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

And I could not find it, even though I knew it had to be there. But, then, I was in a rush and had to leave for a while. Donald Albury 18:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The problem with never changing the 2020 census population on the chart is that some of the MSA definitions have changed since 2020, and comparing the 2023 estimates for the current definition of an MSA to the 2020 census report for a previous definition of that MSA may be grossly misleading about any changes in population. Donald Albury 21:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC) reply

When the new 2023 delineations were released, I manually went through each one of them and recalculated the MSAs given the new boundaries. Since MSAs are defined by county borders, I just used the source from the OMB which listed each county of the new boundaries and updated the 2020 Census figures to reflect those. The 2020 Census column in this chart is indeed the population figures given the new boundaries. Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 01:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Even worse, I see many pages with 2010 and even 2000 data. These should be removed unless there is no more recent data, right? Keystone18 ( talk) 15:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I would say the choices are: 1) update them; 2) place an {{ Update}} or {{ Update inline}} tag; 3) leave them alone because they are correct in their context (assuming they show the year the data is from). Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 15:05, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Minor question, but in {{ U.S. city population tables}}, should the numbers include Puerto Rico? Kk.urban ( talk) 22:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

As Puerto Rico is a part of the United States, that would seem to make sense. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 23:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The Census Bureau does separate statistical areas into two categories, the United States and Puerto Rico, and so do our lists. However, it makes sense to include Puerto Rico, because it's on our pages. Kk.urban ( talk) 00:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Can the 2023 estimates be used on respective pages, or are the 2020 full census numbers what should be used? Keystone18 ( talk) 15:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

You can add estimates in addition to the 2020 count, but the 2020 count is the primary number used. Criticalthinker ( talk) 17:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

And preferably official estimate figures from the US Census Bureau, though if other estimates are used then the sources should be cited. Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 02:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply