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The article names Brunel's wife as Sophie Kingdom but the photo of the family grave names her Sophia. I must say I always understood her name to be Sophie but the inconsistency with the gravestone requires some explanation. If the stone was incorrectly engraved you would expect that someone in the high profile family would have had it corrected. MegaPedant ( talk) 13:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Well I never knew that Brunel is an Old English surname,
86.186.3.245 ( talk) 12:14, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
According to this page Marc Brunel started out as French, then took US nationality in 1796. There is no record of him taking British nationality. However in 1846 Queen Victoria knighted him and he has subsequently been known as Sir Marc. Foreign citizens are usually awarded an honorary knighthood (which doesn't carry the right to the style "Sir"), not a substantive one. Can anyone throw light on this anomaly? Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 15:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Marc Isambard Brunel never was Chief Engineer of New York City because that position did not exit outside of the Army Corps of Engineers. Nor are there any records of him being employed as an engineer, even though records of other engineer and surveyors survive.
There WAS a French emigre who served as an Army engineer and surveyor in New York City, Joseph Francois Mangin. He went on to become a famous architect:
/info/en/?search=Joseph-Fran%C3%A7ois_Mangin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferreiro ( talk • contribs) 12:35, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Marc Isambard Brunel's biographies always overlook the 2+ years he spent in upstate New York surveying the Castorland project, a French land speculation that ultimately failed. See The Castorland Journal: https://books.google.com/books?id=WfGL2NYGfN4C&pg=PA400&lpg=PA400&dq=marc+isambard+brunel+castorland&source=bl&ots=Ln3zjx79LO&sig=kNtMdWHq4E_TLSf1x3bkzqGo17k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1y9GjwfTJAhUBcyYKHcOODh4Q6AEIJzAB#v=onepage&q=marc%20isambard%20brunel%20castorland&f=false
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Most of the references are to Bagust (2006) which is given a full citation 7 times - not bad when there are only 11 references! The latest edit from Dick Bos ( talk · contribs) at least tries to reduce this by changing to the sfn/reference list style rather that the ref format. A change in referencing style requires consensus. I'm quite happy to go through the page and sort out the duplications if there are no objections. Can we say that if there are no objections by the end of the week consensus has been obtained please. Regards, Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 19:20, 24 September 2017 (UTC) Done Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 13:33, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
MOS:ETHNICITY clearly states - "previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability"
. Prior to becoming English, Brunel was cadet in the French navy and made some unwise comments in revolutionary Paris - neither of which contribute to his notability which arises from engineering works in the United States and to a much greater extent in England.
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Andy, the reasons you've provided for this do not seem compelling or convincing to me; at first it was because he sent his son to be educated in France, then it was because he had a "French approach" to his engineering. I'm not saying this is the case, but the arguments so far give the appearance of trying to find any possible post-emigration connection between Brunel and France in order to justify the description. Jayjg (talk) 13:24, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
There is a link in this article to commons:Category:Marc Isambart Brunel; on that page the infobox records: "Name in native language - Marc Isambart Brunel". I have never heard of such a spelling as "Isambart", but there is some supporting evidence online. It is not mentioned in this article. Since this is English wikipedia, I propose that the category be renamed to use the English spelling by which he is normally known here. (I note that despite the fact that commons:Category:Marc Isambard Brunel "does not currently exist", there are two items in it!) -- Verbarson talk edits 17:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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The article names Brunel's wife as Sophie Kingdom but the photo of the family grave names her Sophia. I must say I always understood her name to be Sophie but the inconsistency with the gravestone requires some explanation. If the stone was incorrectly engraved you would expect that someone in the high profile family would have had it corrected. MegaPedant ( talk) 13:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Well I never knew that Brunel is an Old English surname,
86.186.3.245 ( talk) 12:14, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
According to this page Marc Brunel started out as French, then took US nationality in 1796. There is no record of him taking British nationality. However in 1846 Queen Victoria knighted him and he has subsequently been known as Sir Marc. Foreign citizens are usually awarded an honorary knighthood (which doesn't carry the right to the style "Sir"), not a substantive one. Can anyone throw light on this anomaly? Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 15:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Marc Isambard Brunel never was Chief Engineer of New York City because that position did not exit outside of the Army Corps of Engineers. Nor are there any records of him being employed as an engineer, even though records of other engineer and surveyors survive.
There WAS a French emigre who served as an Army engineer and surveyor in New York City, Joseph Francois Mangin. He went on to become a famous architect:
/info/en/?search=Joseph-Fran%C3%A7ois_Mangin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferreiro ( talk • contribs) 12:35, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Marc Isambard Brunel's biographies always overlook the 2+ years he spent in upstate New York surveying the Castorland project, a French land speculation that ultimately failed. See The Castorland Journal: https://books.google.com/books?id=WfGL2NYGfN4C&pg=PA400&lpg=PA400&dq=marc+isambard+brunel+castorland&source=bl&ots=Ln3zjx79LO&sig=kNtMdWHq4E_TLSf1x3bkzqGo17k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1y9GjwfTJAhUBcyYKHcOODh4Q6AEIJzAB#v=onepage&q=marc%20isambard%20brunel%20castorland&f=false
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Most of the references are to Bagust (2006) which is given a full citation 7 times - not bad when there are only 11 references! The latest edit from Dick Bos ( talk · contribs) at least tries to reduce this by changing to the sfn/reference list style rather that the ref format. A change in referencing style requires consensus. I'm quite happy to go through the page and sort out the duplications if there are no objections. Can we say that if there are no objections by the end of the week consensus has been obtained please. Regards, Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 19:20, 24 September 2017 (UTC) Done Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 13:33, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
MOS:ETHNICITY clearly states - "previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability"
. Prior to becoming English, Brunel was cadet in the French navy and made some unwise comments in revolutionary Paris - neither of which contribute to his notability which arises from engineering works in the United States and to a much greater extent in England.
Icewhiz (
talk) 10:49, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Andy, the reasons you've provided for this do not seem compelling or convincing to me; at first it was because he sent his son to be educated in France, then it was because he had a "French approach" to his engineering. I'm not saying this is the case, but the arguments so far give the appearance of trying to find any possible post-emigration connection between Brunel and France in order to justify the description. Jayjg (talk) 13:24, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
There is a link in this article to commons:Category:Marc Isambart Brunel; on that page the infobox records: "Name in native language - Marc Isambart Brunel". I have never heard of such a spelling as "Isambart", but there is some supporting evidence online. It is not mentioned in this article. Since this is English wikipedia, I propose that the category be renamed to use the English spelling by which he is normally known here. (I note that despite the fact that commons:Category:Marc Isambard Brunel "does not currently exist", there are two items in it!) -- Verbarson talk edits 17:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)