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Content moved from article saved at 19:34, 31 Jan 2004 by user 62.40.175.111 Andrewa 18:40, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
Bones is a disambiguation page. I'm not sure if this referes to the Swedish band or Bones Thugs-n-Harmony. Can someone who does please update the link? -- Selket 07:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
She appeared in a documentary entitled "House Cats" which aired on The Science Channel 9/27/2008. She owns a three legged siamese cat. She thinks she can talk to her cats. Aaron ( talk) 17:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
This FreeBMD source clearly gives 1948. But, although registration was in September 1948, the day and month of the birth can be found only in the record itself. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:32, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Some births don't get registered for up several weeks after the event, so it's perfectly logical that her birth would appear in the July-September quarter (e.g. I was born 13/6, but wasn't registered til 3/7). Company records also confirm she was born in 1948:
Crisso ( talk) 02:11, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Today I checked the microfiche for birth records and found the following: Lynsey M. Rubin birth listed on the September microfiche for 1948; her mother's maiden name is given as De Groot, born at Southwark
knowing how you clowns disapprove of "original research", you might like to wait until this appears in the "Guardian", that "reputable source" that lies about Colin Jordan and for both Satpal Ram and Gerry Gable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.101.5 ( talk) 20:39, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The microfiche says 1948, and that over-rides everything else unless there is a compelling reason otherwise. Her death certificate will contain her date of birth and so should her will. The latter will probably be published fairly soon; I would assume she has left some bequests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.114.153 ( talk) 20:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Published sources giving 1948 as her birth year include this and this - as well as the sources cited by Crisso. We should make clear in the article that some sources support 1948, but that 1950 has also been claimed. Simply, we need to put both years, with citations, in the article, and readers can decide which is most likely to be true. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 22:28, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The next question is what to do about the year in the infobox. It's clear to me that, in fact, she was born in 1948, and that the infobox parameters don't (unless someone tells me different) allow for uncertainty. Should we change the year in the infobox template (currently stating 1950), or manually fill out the infobox to cover the uncertainty? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 13:34, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
The Guardian obituary ( https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/oct/02/lynsey-de-paul) was amended on 31 October 2014 to show the subject's birth year as 1948, and hence her age at death as 66. That obituary also comments that 1950 "was correct at the time of publication", which seems odd. Since no citations are provided in this subject's Wikipedia article for the BBC and Times obituaries, this can now be regarded as a non-issue. Phil Champ ( talk) 13:56, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
A lot of the dispute about her age seems to stem from records for Lynsey/Lyndsey (Monckton/M.) Rubin. It doesn't seem clear from the article that Lynsey de Paul was called that. In her early life, there's something saying she changed her name from "Reuben", but doesn't mention a middle name at all. Maybe I missed it. Source? InedibleHulk (talk) 08:14, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't think we should be using this source for anything about her family background. There have been multiple discussions over whether the Mail should be regarded as a reliable source at all, and even though it claims to be quoting her directly, we know from experience that it can misrepresent statements, and we also know that members of her family including her brother are alive and may not accept (I don't know) that she came from an "abusive" family. Are there better sources for these allegations than the Mail? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 13:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Where was de Paul born? Cricklewood or Southwark? The current source says Cricklewood. But some sources, such as The Stage, give Southwark: [3] Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Her 2018 entry in the ODNB (now sourced) gives her birthplace as Southwark, citing her birth certificate. This is surely good for us to now use. Crisso ( talk) 21:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
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Is her name 'De Paul' or 'de Paul', because I've seen it spelt both ways in the article; also where would it come on an alphabetical list? RASAM ( talk) 20:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a sketch in which Peter Cook plays a defendant accused of mass murder, and Terry Jones as the judge lists the victims, most of whom have funny names; among them "Viscount Lynsey de Paul". I always wondered where that came from, and why it got a laugh, until I happened upon this article. —Tamfang ( talk) 19:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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Content moved from article saved at 19:34, 31 Jan 2004 by user 62.40.175.111 Andrewa 18:40, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
Bones is a disambiguation page. I'm not sure if this referes to the Swedish band or Bones Thugs-n-Harmony. Can someone who does please update the link? -- Selket 07:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
She appeared in a documentary entitled "House Cats" which aired on The Science Channel 9/27/2008. She owns a three legged siamese cat. She thinks she can talk to her cats. Aaron ( talk) 17:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
This FreeBMD source clearly gives 1948. But, although registration was in September 1948, the day and month of the birth can be found only in the record itself. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:32, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Some births don't get registered for up several weeks after the event, so it's perfectly logical that her birth would appear in the July-September quarter (e.g. I was born 13/6, but wasn't registered til 3/7). Company records also confirm she was born in 1948:
Crisso ( talk) 02:11, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Today I checked the microfiche for birth records and found the following: Lynsey M. Rubin birth listed on the September microfiche for 1948; her mother's maiden name is given as De Groot, born at Southwark
knowing how you clowns disapprove of "original research", you might like to wait until this appears in the "Guardian", that "reputable source" that lies about Colin Jordan and for both Satpal Ram and Gerry Gable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.101.5 ( talk) 20:39, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The microfiche says 1948, and that over-rides everything else unless there is a compelling reason otherwise. Her death certificate will contain her date of birth and so should her will. The latter will probably be published fairly soon; I would assume she has left some bequests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.114.153 ( talk) 20:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Published sources giving 1948 as her birth year include this and this - as well as the sources cited by Crisso. We should make clear in the article that some sources support 1948, but that 1950 has also been claimed. Simply, we need to put both years, with citations, in the article, and readers can decide which is most likely to be true. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 22:28, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The next question is what to do about the year in the infobox. It's clear to me that, in fact, she was born in 1948, and that the infobox parameters don't (unless someone tells me different) allow for uncertainty. Should we change the year in the infobox template (currently stating 1950), or manually fill out the infobox to cover the uncertainty? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 13:34, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
The Guardian obituary ( https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/oct/02/lynsey-de-paul) was amended on 31 October 2014 to show the subject's birth year as 1948, and hence her age at death as 66. That obituary also comments that 1950 "was correct at the time of publication", which seems odd. Since no citations are provided in this subject's Wikipedia article for the BBC and Times obituaries, this can now be regarded as a non-issue. Phil Champ ( talk) 13:56, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
A lot of the dispute about her age seems to stem from records for Lynsey/Lyndsey (Monckton/M.) Rubin. It doesn't seem clear from the article that Lynsey de Paul was called that. In her early life, there's something saying she changed her name from "Reuben", but doesn't mention a middle name at all. Maybe I missed it. Source? InedibleHulk (talk) 08:14, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't think we should be using this source for anything about her family background. There have been multiple discussions over whether the Mail should be regarded as a reliable source at all, and even though it claims to be quoting her directly, we know from experience that it can misrepresent statements, and we also know that members of her family including her brother are alive and may not accept (I don't know) that she came from an "abusive" family. Are there better sources for these allegations than the Mail? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 13:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Where was de Paul born? Cricklewood or Southwark? The current source says Cricklewood. But some sources, such as The Stage, give Southwark: [3] Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Her 2018 entry in the ODNB (now sourced) gives her birthplace as Southwark, citing her birth certificate. This is surely good for us to now use. Crisso ( talk) 21:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
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Is her name 'De Paul' or 'de Paul', because I've seen it spelt both ways in the article; also where would it come on an alphabetical list? RASAM ( talk) 20:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a sketch in which Peter Cook plays a defendant accused of mass murder, and Terry Jones as the judge lists the victims, most of whom have funny names; among them "Viscount Lynsey de Paul". I always wondered where that came from, and why it got a laugh, until I happened upon this article. —Tamfang ( talk) 19:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)