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Today when people say "happy lunar New Year", others know they are talking about Chinese New Year or Korean new year or Vietnamese new year with zodiacs and similar themes. Because that is what they're referring to. Lunar New Year was a colloquial term meant for only the East Asian lunar New Year celebrations. Britannica did a good job in describing it well. [1] Yet some editors now thought it was a good idea to rewrite what the term means and now claim that the Jewish and south Asians also celebrate lunar new year. Despite the fact that Jewish New Year, barely even uses the moon as the primary theme of their new year. Also I have never heard a Jew say "happy lunar new year" to each other because they don't. Their top theme is their religion. Meanwhile the Eastern Asian lunar New Year is about agriculture harvest, the celebration of the moon itself. Not just having a lunar calendar but actually literally celebrating the moon with mooncakes, stories about the moon rabbit living on the moon and so many other cultural traditions to honour their moon. It does not just uses a lunar calendar but does far much more than that. It is very Moon theme centric unlike the Jewish New year (Rosh Hashanah) that barely does any top focus or overwhelming worship to a moon but see it as just a moon. Please don't do cultural appropriation and take ownership of Lunar New Year away from East Asia and insert other countries as if their Lunar New year event is what now dominates the lunar New Year celebrations, when it is originally supposed to be an East Asian traditional event. Sorry for the criticism but this article is borderline disrespecting East Asians and felt it needed to be discussed. SoyDream888 ( talk) 08:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Also GOOGLE (lunar new year) and lookup what it brings up. There are top sources, companies, governments, local councils etc that only refer to East Asian lunar new year. [2] why? I Never once seen them ever say it's also celebrated by Jewish or indian people. Is there even any source seriously saying that Jews celebrate "lunar new year"? That their celebration is strongly dependent on the moon and is very Moon theme centric. I am sorry if you took a long time to edit but nobody is saying that and so it is original research. And the Wikipedia rule is No original research (NOR) [3]. Nobody is saying that the term refers to indian and Jewish New Years. EVERYONE knows the term means East Asian lunar New year celebrations which includes mostly Chinese New Year, Korean New Year and Vietnamese new year. East Asia doesn't have that many international celebrations. Lunar new year is like their only international major one and so you should not be misconstruing what it means to celebrate lunar new year. Do not take that one celebration away from them. I said my piece. SoyDream888 ( talk) 08:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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It's a Lunisolar Calendar thus Chinese New Year is Lunisolar New Year. Muslim calendars are Lunar, so the Muslim Calendar's New Year is Lunar New Year... so much widespread ignorance. Even your own links show that I'm correct. 2607:FEA8:440:7D90:6726:BB42:A5ED:68A0 ( talk) 04:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Hungrycitrus, I reverted your edit because it is so substantial as to need consensus first. The article as it stands is a delicate balance between competing perspectives and national(istic) sensitivities. Per WP:COMMONNAME, we describe what is (as multiple WP:Reliable sources attest, not what should be, whether or not it is more 'correct'. See also WP:Righting great wrongs. So you need to set out here what you believe needs to be changed and wait to see if there is a consensus in favour. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
I think the montage of pictures in the infobox doesn't do justice as it is exclusively the Lunar celebrations of East and South East Asia. Some images should be changed so that other Lunar celebrations are also represented. WR 18:34, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Jaredscribe, can you clarify the text you added?
I'm seeing wp:SYNTH ahead. Something doesn't add up. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 21:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
And just to keep it entertaining, there are two Hindi New Year's Days:
If the first is intended, it needs to be explicit. --
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 21:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC) [stating the obvious, so deleted. --
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 21:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)]
According to
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2842/jewish/Our-Other-Head.htm, the Jewish year begins on the first of
Tishrei—a day we observe as
Rosh Hashanah, “the Head of the Year”—and ends twelve (or thirteen) months later, on the 29th of Elul.
and then it goes on to say that the month of Nissan, occurring midway through the Tishrei-headed year, designated—in the very first mitzvah commanded to the Jewish people—as “the head of months, the first of the months of your year”
The source goes on to explain the apparent dichotomy, but the fact remains the Hebrew New Year is Rosh Hashanah. It also seems very significant that
https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/israel/ gives the dates for Rosh Hashanah but not for Nissan as it is not a public holiday. TL;DR: why is Nissan even mentioned in this article? --
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 23:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Qiushufang has deleted your addition as unsourced. (I concur.) If it could be supported by citation, it would need to say something more general and not get bogged down in detail of a specific year. I suggest something The
Hindu calendar's first month is
Chaitra (variable dates in March/April
[2]), which is the first new moon after the March equinox.
citation needed This is the same basis for calculation as that for
Nisan (the first month of the Hebrew calendar, though not
its New Year's Day).
but its showstopper is that I have observed (aka
WP:OR) the rule "first new moon after the March equinox" but I haven't found a citation for it. --
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 23:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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Today when people say "happy lunar New Year", others know they are talking about Chinese New Year or Korean new year or Vietnamese new year with zodiacs and similar themes. Because that is what they're referring to. Lunar New Year was a colloquial term meant for only the East Asian lunar New Year celebrations. Britannica did a good job in describing it well. [1] Yet some editors now thought it was a good idea to rewrite what the term means and now claim that the Jewish and south Asians also celebrate lunar new year. Despite the fact that Jewish New Year, barely even uses the moon as the primary theme of their new year. Also I have never heard a Jew say "happy lunar new year" to each other because they don't. Their top theme is their religion. Meanwhile the Eastern Asian lunar New Year is about agriculture harvest, the celebration of the moon itself. Not just having a lunar calendar but actually literally celebrating the moon with mooncakes, stories about the moon rabbit living on the moon and so many other cultural traditions to honour their moon. It does not just uses a lunar calendar but does far much more than that. It is very Moon theme centric unlike the Jewish New year (Rosh Hashanah) that barely does any top focus or overwhelming worship to a moon but see it as just a moon. Please don't do cultural appropriation and take ownership of Lunar New Year away from East Asia and insert other countries as if their Lunar New year event is what now dominates the lunar New Year celebrations, when it is originally supposed to be an East Asian traditional event. Sorry for the criticism but this article is borderline disrespecting East Asians and felt it needed to be discussed. SoyDream888 ( talk) 08:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Also GOOGLE (lunar new year) and lookup what it brings up. There are top sources, companies, governments, local councils etc that only refer to East Asian lunar new year. [2] why? I Never once seen them ever say it's also celebrated by Jewish or indian people. Is there even any source seriously saying that Jews celebrate "lunar new year"? That their celebration is strongly dependent on the moon and is very Moon theme centric. I am sorry if you took a long time to edit but nobody is saying that and so it is original research. And the Wikipedia rule is No original research (NOR) [3]. Nobody is saying that the term refers to indian and Jewish New Years. EVERYONE knows the term means East Asian lunar New year celebrations which includes mostly Chinese New Year, Korean New Year and Vietnamese new year. East Asia doesn't have that many international celebrations. Lunar new year is like their only international major one and so you should not be misconstruing what it means to celebrate lunar new year. Do not take that one celebration away from them. I said my piece. SoyDream888 ( talk) 08:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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It's a Lunisolar Calendar thus Chinese New Year is Lunisolar New Year. Muslim calendars are Lunar, so the Muslim Calendar's New Year is Lunar New Year... so much widespread ignorance. Even your own links show that I'm correct. 2607:FEA8:440:7D90:6726:BB42:A5ED:68A0 ( talk) 04:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Hungrycitrus, I reverted your edit because it is so substantial as to need consensus first. The article as it stands is a delicate balance between competing perspectives and national(istic) sensitivities. Per WP:COMMONNAME, we describe what is (as multiple WP:Reliable sources attest, not what should be, whether or not it is more 'correct'. See also WP:Righting great wrongs. So you need to set out here what you believe needs to be changed and wait to see if there is a consensus in favour. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
I think the montage of pictures in the infobox doesn't do justice as it is exclusively the Lunar celebrations of East and South East Asia. Some images should be changed so that other Lunar celebrations are also represented. WR 18:34, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Jaredscribe, can you clarify the text you added?
I'm seeing wp:SYNTH ahead. Something doesn't add up. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 21:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
And just to keep it entertaining, there are two Hindi New Year's Days:
If the first is intended, it needs to be explicit. --
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 21:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC) [stating the obvious, so deleted. --
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 21:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)]
According to
https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2842/jewish/Our-Other-Head.htm, the Jewish year begins on the first of
Tishrei—a day we observe as
Rosh Hashanah, “the Head of the Year”—and ends twelve (or thirteen) months later, on the 29th of Elul.
and then it goes on to say that the month of Nissan, occurring midway through the Tishrei-headed year, designated—in the very first mitzvah commanded to the Jewish people—as “the head of months, the first of the months of your year”
The source goes on to explain the apparent dichotomy, but the fact remains the Hebrew New Year is Rosh Hashanah. It also seems very significant that
https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/israel/ gives the dates for Rosh Hashanah but not for Nissan as it is not a public holiday. TL;DR: why is Nissan even mentioned in this article? --
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 23:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Qiushufang has deleted your addition as unsourced. (I concur.) If it could be supported by citation, it would need to say something more general and not get bogged down in detail of a specific year. I suggest something The
Hindu calendar's first month is
Chaitra (variable dates in March/April
[2]), which is the first new moon after the March equinox.
citation needed This is the same basis for calculation as that for
Nisan (the first month of the Hebrew calendar, though not
its New Year's Day).
but its showstopper is that I have observed (aka
WP:OR) the rule "first new moon after the March equinox" but I haven't found a citation for it. --
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
talk) 23:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
References