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Why does the title for this entry not bear ", California" like other cities' entries?
The bit about the "pachucos" is not NPOV. They attacked servicemen as well. They weren't just innocent victims.
Sorry those images I took are so ugly. They look like they were taken in the 1970s but they werent. :-/ Koyaanis Qatsi 21:50 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Is the big long Spanish name still in force? I thought that most of it had just been dropped. - Smack 23:03 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)
To alleviate size stress on this page, I moved the history to a separate page. 209.245.203.129 01:15, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I'm having a bit of a problem with the "religion" section. The assertion that "no religion was founded there" is troublesome, and the rest of the section is amazingly non-informative. I actually know less about the major religious factions in Los Angeles after reading this. I will research and augment. - Feedle 16:46, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I dunno how Koyannis' picture got taken off the article, but I put it back on. WhisperToMe 00:21, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I need some advice regarding what is ok and not ok to post. I publish a Web site titled Travelconsumer.com which has several pages of information about Los Angeles and includes articles about L.A. When I list Travelconsumer.com's city guide in the external links section it gets removed almost immediately and I received a warning about publishing a link to a commercial site on Wikipedia. What I don't understand is this. Travelconsumer.com does not sell any products or services. None! Yet other sites in the external links section are purely commercial and provide no information except about the products they sell. This being the case, why does my link to http://www.travelconsumer.com get bumped. If having advertising on my site is an issue, then nearly all of the external links on Wikipedia should be removed. Please advise.
My email address is listed http://www.travelconsumer.com/contact.htm.
I believe that I have read that California lead the nation (and was a significant portion of world output) in oil output, in one year in the early 20th century -- perhaps 1923 ? I think this was driven by huge finds near and in Los Angeles. This article only alludes to oil discoveries in the late nineteenth century.
Is the Tiburcio Vasquez in the article the one whom the Vasquez rocks are named for? They sit on the north side of Freeway 14 (Antelope Valley freeway) near Pearblossom. All I know is that bandits used to hide in Vasquez rocks 207.69.139.9 08:36, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I think we should move the history section to its own page--it really is quite big. jengod 23:30, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
Yes, move to its own page, but leave a one paragraph summary on this one and head it as:
Well...what we have now is quite shitty. The population data should be moved too. --~~~~
==History==
''Main article: [[History of Los Angeles]]''
[text of summary]
-- Jia ng 23:33, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
What the hell! The history section of this great city only says: "The history includes earthquakes, riots, mudslides, movie stars, oil rigs, aerospace pioneers, surfers, politicians and palm trees." That is horrid and much worse than having a section that is too long. In the future please do not just move sections like this - at least a several paragraph summary is needed for this article. Yet another thing for my ToDo list. --- mav
I am disputing this article's neutrality for the following reasons: 1) "manifest destiny" refers to one point of view or theory of American History 2) the part on the Owens Valley water deal is biased in that it portrays the people who arranged for the aqueduct as being somehow villainous. 3) The stereotypes section is pointless and lame. 4) The history of L.A. as an Open Shop town part is too ideological/leftist to be construed as serious history - maybe pseudohistory?
Having said that, I will now proceed to post something on food in Los Angeles and enlighten all to the invention of the French Dip Sandwich (either Cole's or Phillippe's, but most likely Phillippe's), the salad and the Tommy's Hamburger. I will invite others to augment that part.
-- User:tcotrel 16:28 22 Feb 2004
I tried making changes a few weeks/months ago. The bias, as I see it IMHO, is too widespread and would require a complete re-write.
User:tcotrel 16:50 22 Feb 2004
Until the latest changes, Los Angeles redirected here, and there was a disambiguation notice at the top of this article in case anyone was looking for the county or the ship or whatever. Now, Los Angeles has the disambiguation, with no redirect. The problem is that 99% of the people entering Los Angeles are looking for this article. Now they have to go through an extra step to get here. There are many links to Los Angeles that haven't been changed to point to Los Angeles, California, and even if all were changed, new ones would constantly be added. I think the former setup was better. JamesMLane 08:14, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
What is meant by Los Angeles's sister cities? [[User:Nichalp|¶ nichalp | Talk]] 18:49, Jul 25, 2004 (UTC)
I take issue with the statement that the LA metro area is frequently called the "Southland". That is a relatively recent nickname that many people are not aware of. If I'm not mistaken, journalists were the first to use that nickname.
Additionally, "Southland" has been used to apply to Southern California, which includes San Diego.
L.A. has so damn many neighborhoods that no attempt should really be made to list them all on the main page. Over on the Los Angeles neighborhoods category page, I came up with eight general areas into which the city could be categorized, but I think I'll get rid of the crap over there.
The categories I came up with are:
Thoughts?
-- Slightlyslack 07:33, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I found a list of official neighborhoods here: http://www.lacity.org/bpw/ocs/nmf/communities.html These are the neighborhoods that are not listed in the article (more than I thought). Some are rarely ever referred to, but I guess they are important to the residents. I also see that there is a wiki category 'Category:Los_Angeles_neighborhoods'. Do a geographic listing if you want, but please don't delete the alphabetic listing. (maybe is should just be replaced by a link to the category page?) And to repeat Jengod's question: What crap over where?
Baldwin Village, Beverly Crest, Beverly Glen, Castlemarre, Central City North, Central City, Crenshaw, Cypress Park, Downtown Los Angeles, Harbor Gateway, Harbor City, Hermon, Hyde Park, Jefferson Park, Lake Balboa, Lakeview, Lakeview Terrace, Mid-Wilshire, Mid-City West, Mid-City, Monterey Hills, Mt. Olympus, Park La Brea, Playa Vista, Shadow Hills, Southeast LA, Sunset Junction, Valley Glen, Valley Village, Warner Center, West Alameda, Wilshire Center, Woodland Hills
It would be great if there was a map(maybe even clickable) that identified where the neighborhoods in LA are in the city. When the're just a big list, it's hard to get any feeling for them. As a LA resident, I know that the neighborhoods are one of the most important parts of LA. JesseW 11:03, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Due to the size of the main article, some more topics should be split off into separate articles. Some that come to mind are Los_Angeles,_California#Sites_of_interest, Los_Angeles,_California#Notable_natives and Los_Angeles,_California#Culture. Any other suggestions? Willmcw 21:52, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I would like to see a reference for this. I never throught of the LA freeway system as a "symbol of dysfunction" and I couldn't find a google reference for this in a cursory search. Anybody what to defend this phrasing? JesseW 05:17, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I don't know about the freeways but I know our public schools and public transportation are paragons of "dysfunction", and by dysfunction I mean crap. -- 24.126.30.46 02:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
It looks like the Bot attack and subsequent edits have somehow duplicated sections. Can someone do a repair before anyone else comes in and edits? I don't think a simple revert will do it.
The sources that have given me the impression that the battle of Rio San Gabriel was the decisive battle in which Los Angeles became American comes from http://www.cityofmontebello.com/CITYINFO/HISTORY.HTM , http://www.losangelesalmanac.com/topics/History/hi06.htm , http://www.mta.net/LAUND/yester/lytimeline.htm , and http://www.lospobladores.org/Battle-San-Gabriel.htm and best http://www.gbp.net/mexicanwar/mexwar/messages/12.html
Yes there were many battles after the Battle of Rio San Gabriel but nobody is re-enacting it as they have the Battle of Rio San Gabriel. You can ask steveclugston@yahoo.com Even the MTA recognizes the battle as decisive.
Here is Mr. Clugston's impression on why importance is not given to the Battle.
"The battle is very important, and for some strange reason, overlooked by historians. Why this is so, is very suspicious in that the battle was the pivotal and largest battle in California history (as far as the number of combatants invoved). After San Gabriel, and the battle the very next day: the "Battle of La Mesa" (many link the two battles as one), California became a U.S. possession ever since. One theory, which makes the most sense: is that Fremont and Senator Benton wanted to slander and minimalize General Kearny & Stockton's victory of the Californios at San Gabriel and focused on his alleged defeat at San Pasqual instead. This was due to the court-martial of Fremont. Kearny died in 1848 and was not around to defend his record, and San Francisco historians supported the writings of Fremont since he was running for state senator and then a presidential candidate, as well as being appointed a Civil War General later. We hope to be able to set the record straight by emphasising the truth about the war in California and hope to be able to report more progress soon. " So please.... I really think it is worth leaving in.. if not, add a mention of La Mesa battle and it will be complete.-- Lebite 08:32, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I was thinking that it would be fun to create a separate article on how different people pronounce Los Angeles--everything from the very Spanish pronunciation (Los An-hell-ess), to the vary bizarre sounding (to me) Loze Angle-Leeze (there was one old-time LA TV newscaster who always said it this way and it drove me crazy). I would need help, however, on doing the proper pronunciation markings ( IPA?). Any comments? [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 11:45, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Is it just me, or are there others who are bothered by the fact that in this article on the "City of Los Angeles" there is information that really isn't about the city itself but is more about the surrounding region? There are already several other "Los Angeles articles (see Los Angeles (disambiguation)) and the Greater Los Angeles Area article might be a place to put the LA region info into, but my inclination is that instead of doing that there should probably be a separate article created ( Los Angeles region?) and the "Los Angeles, California" article should be restricted to only information related to the City of Los Angeles. [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 06:31, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Surfing? Almost all the surfing spots and the areas that are associated with the surfing culture of LA county are outside of the city limits. Skateboarding? I remember the beginning of skateboarding in the early 60's, and nobody who was more than five miles from the ocean knew anything about skateboards, so I doubt that the city of LA had anything to do with skateboards (well, maybe Venice a little). Unless someone can provide some good references, I'd remove the info on both surfing and skateboarding. The grumpy Wikicynic gK ¿? 02:09, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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Actually, the numbers on the page are quite correct. If you define "city" using the strictly legal definition in terms of the municipal corporation and its territory, then Los Angeles has about 3.8 million and New York has 8 million people. But if you define "city" in the broader sense of greater metropolitan area, then Los Angeles has about 16 to 17 million people (including contiguous portions of Los Angeles, Orange, Ventura, San Bernardino, and Riverside counties), and New York has more than 22 million people (if one includes 12 contiguous counties in two other states in addition to the five counties that make up NYC). -- Coolcaesar 20:22, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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I consider Los Angeles to include not only the city "proper" (adresses within "Los Angeles") but areas in the outer city (such as those in the San Fernando Valley that DON'T have Los Angeles adresses but ARE part of the city - i.e. Woodland Hills) as well as those that are (in part or in whole) inside of Los Angeles County (which includes areas like Agoura Hills). New York may have more than 22 million people if you include those 12 contiguous counties but if they aren't part of New York City than I don't consider the population of those counties to count. Just as I would not count residents of Orange County in LA's population.
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Well, first of all, Woodland Hills is part of the city proper, even if the USPS requires it to be addressed separately. And it, along with every other neighborhood in the City of Los Angeles, is already included in the city's total population as measured by the Census. If you had some familiarity with dealing with the American federal government, you would realize that its hundreds of agencies can, and do often engage in maddingly inconsistent policies.
And if you look at the map at http://trafficinfo.lacity.org/, you'll notice that Woodland Hills is clearly inside the City of Los Angeles.
Second, the problem with your methodology is that it completely fails to recognize that the legal structure of counties is completely different on the East Coast (see the U.S. counties article for more explanation). Only in some Midwestern and Western cities is a county usually larger than the primary metro city that it encompasses (e.g., Chicago, Illinois is part of the much larger Cook County).
In contrast, for various historical and legal reasons, the borders of the City of New York are exactly contiguous with five counties (representing the five boroughs); the only city in each of those five counties is a borough of the City of New York. New York State is one of those weird states where cities can span multiple counties.
I suppose using your bizarre, biased, arbitrary, and contorted definition of metropolitan area might produce a higher population for Los Angeles than New York, but it would fail to include many suburban cities that immediately border the City of New York (but lie in other counties) and whose residents would call themselves residents of the New York metro area (just as Agoura Hills residents call themselves residents of the L.A. metro area).
Examples include the cities of Great Neck, Elmont, Yonkers, Mount Vernon, and New Rochelle. If you look at an online street map of the New York area (or own a nationwide street map program like I do), you'd see immediately that the street grid of the New York suburban sprawl runs east on Long Island with no gaps for more than 37 miles, to the city of Medford. It runs northeast to Stamford, Connecticut, west to Parsippany Troy Hills, New Jersey, south to Perth Amboy (or even Trenton, some would argue), and so on. In contrast, there are some gaps in the sprawl between the City of Agoura Hills and Los Angeles; the same goes for Simi Valley and Santa Clarita.
The point is that your methodology would fail to count people in the New York suburbs who strongly consider themselves to be part of the New York area, since they live right next to the City of New York. Your methodology is nearly as silly as not letting people in Simi Valley consider themselves to be part of the L.A. area (most tourists would think they are), just because they live across the boundary in Ventura County.
To further demonstrate how silly your methodology is, consider applying it to the city and county of St. Louis, Missouri. Such a methodology would fail to include cities that most St. Louis residents would consider to be part of the St. Louis metro area, like East St. Louis (which lies across the river in St. Clair County in the state of Illinois).
Or consider Boston, Massachusetts, which lies in Suffolk County. Again, your methodology would deny Cambridge, Massachusetts, the honor of being counted as part of the Boston metro area, just because it lies across the Charles River in Middlesex County. Most Harvard graduates would be horrified at the idea that Harvard isn't part of the greater Boston area.
Well, I think I've made my point. The most consistent methodologies are the ones I've already articulated (and which are used by professional demographers); either one goes with the legal boundaries of the municipal corporation, which are used by the Census; or one can add on all contiguous cities to get a total number for the whole metropolitan area.
-- Coolcaesar 05:05, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
-- First of all, I was unaware of the fact that counties are not treated the same way in the East Coast as they are out here. I won't argue the actual figures anymore because your's are obviously correct, and I was mistaken. BUT there is a distinct difference between "feeling" like you are part of a city and actually BEING part of that city. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley and now live in the Los Angeles County half of Agoura Hills, I am, by most any definition, an "Angelino". But I'm taking classes right now at Moorpark Junior College, which takes it's main pull of students from Simi Valley/Moorpark/Camarillo. Many of those people seem quite content with the fact that they AREN'T part of Los Angeles and are quite happy to remind people as much. They consider it to be a better "cleaner" life where they are and wouldn't want to become part of the city of Los Angeles even if given the chance. Beyond that, they simply aren't residents of Los Angeles or the Greater L.A. area even if they proclaim to be, regardless of what any resident or tourist alike would prefer to believe or tell people. By that logic, San Diego residents may as well start calling themselves Los Angeles residents, since San Deigo doesn't take much longer to get to from my house (about 3 hours) than does LAX (which can take 1 and 1/2 to 2 hours to reach in rush hour traffic).
--You'll see I've moved three of the most extensive lists on this article to their own separate pages. Most major city articles are now moving away from simply being a "list of lists" as the amount and quality of the text on them continues to improve. A perfect example of this is the New York City article, which no longer contains any lists within it at all. -- Jleon 14:49, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Looks good and it makes the page much more readable. However, your titles are not in line with Wiki style (run a Google search across the various lists of lists on Wikipedia to see what I mean). I'm moving the articles to the correct titles.
-- Coolcaesar 00:51, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hello to Lan56:
I understand you're trying to help, but the two photos you just added to Los Angeles are rather ugly. The problem is that they have poor contrast and they're not properly color balanced (they have a strong bluish tint). You do know how to use Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro, right? I hope you're not color-blind!
I suppose they would be all right if they were the only photos around, but there are already several excellent color balanced photos of Los Angeles in the article. And no, it's not my screen; the photos that were already in the L.A. article show up fine (with R, G and B components correctly balanced) and look beautiful.
-- Coolcaesar 23:56, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Someone who knows something about this please look at the recent edit by BAMJ6 and see if it is correct? It seems odd that the %age of whites would change so dramatically without the %age of other races changing. Is this just vandalism by bamj6? -- csloat 03:03, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
--The 2000 Census confirms the 46.9% figure. While it may have a changed a few percentage points since then, whoever put that much lower figure must have done something strange like just adding up the European ancestry groups. -- Jleon 18:58, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
From "People" section: "Los Angeles hosts the largest populations of Armenians, Cambodians, Filipinos, Guatemalans, Koreans, Thais, Mexicans, and Salvadorans outside of their respective countries." I was under the impression that there are actually more Armenians in L.A. than there are in Armenia. Is this incorrect? -- csloat 17:42, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
-That's technically impossible since Armenia has a population of over 3 million people. It might be possible that LA has more Armenians than the Armenian capital, Yerevan which has a population of over one million but not all of whom would call themselves "Armenian." If that was the case, it would make it accurate to say that LA has more Armenians than any other city in the world. -- Jleon 17:50, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
FYI, we are losing that great aerial photo of downtown and the mountains ( Image:Los_Angeles_skyline_daytime_2.jpg) as it is apparently not in the public domain. The night photo in the article ( Image:Lightmatter la at night 001.jpg) is usable, but not distinctively "Los Angeles." So I've uploaded a photo of my own ( image:Echo Park Lake Los Angeles skyline.JPG) as a replacement. I admit that it is not nearly so glorious as the aerial photo, and I'm still working on the contrast levels. Any other ideas for a good anchor photo? - Willmcw 22:47, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
--That's a shame, I always wondered about that photo because its rare to see a pic so professionally done, and so recently, to be in the public domain. I guess this means it will have to removed from the United States article too. The echo park photo is nice but it really shouldn't be the intro pic. I think we should use the nightime shot in the intro until something better can be found. -- Jleon 12:34, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Can any of these can help? [4]. The disclaimer reads "All images are believed to be in the public domain" that "believed" part is a kinda iffy to me, but im sure they are PD. Problem is, they are not that great of quality, and the only good ones are too wide for use here. -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 08:38, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
I think that any photos of the skyline from the Mulholland lookout spot over the Hollywood Bowl, Griffith Observatory, or from certain spots at University of Southern California (for example, this shot) are not good because of the lack of visible buildings, especially from Mulholland ( like this one). It makes it look embarresingly small. I think the best shot would be one like what KABC7 shows sometimes in the afternoon with Dallas Reines where they show a shot from the Santa Monica Mountains over Malibu and the skyline of Century City and downtown are viewable and both skylines are very busy looking. From Baldwin Hills is a good area too. Unfortunately, I have no sources for such images :( -- Lan56 01:59, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
That Olvera Street Picture is tiny. Can someone zoom it up?
--Lan56, I actually think that Mulholland photo is pretty good. It's very similar to many "skyline" photos of Tokyo in that it shows the sprawling, decentralized nature of the city. A closeup of Downtown wouldn't be that great because of the abscence of many widely recognizable buildings there. -- Jleon 18:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Or is he the mayor-elect? When is he sworn in? The sidebar lists him as mayor, but as far as I know, he only just won the election. Velvetsmog 01:19, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
In response to the intro aerial shot's copyright issues, I think a great shot would be one like this. The skyline of Century City and downtown are shown and both look busy. Only problem is that it is copyrighted :( but its an idea -- Lan56 00:59, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
Does this article really need the long list on recently built residential towers, especially since it doesn't list any of the older, larger commercial skyscrapers? It looks like, to me, that some real estate agents have been "spamming" the page. It would be better to a separate article that covers ALL of the highrises in the LA area. If nobody objects, I am going to remove the list in the next day or two. BlankVerse ∅ 08:59, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
For whenever a Skyline of Los Angeles article is created (or better yet, an Architecture of Los Angeles or maybe City planning in Los Angeles article is created), I've found a list of the 327 largest buildings in the LA area here. BlankVerse ∅ 12:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
see http://www.losangelesalmanac.com/LA/la10b.htm
Those statistics are for the county, but I would imagine that there is little difference between the county and city for this particular statistic. BlankVerse ∅ 10:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
There are a number of nice LA photos in the Commons, including one that is a Feature Photo: Nighttime view of Downtown L.A. and the Hollywood Freeway Image:LosAngeles04.jpg. The rest of the photos can be found at this link commons:Los_Angeles. BlankVerse ∅ 14:59, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Regarding the original Spanish name and its translation:
El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de la Porciúncula, "The Town of Our Lady Queen of the Angels of the Small Portion".
It appears that "del río" got forgotten (even though different web sources vary on this). Also, "pueblo" translates to "village".
Acto the official page of the City of Los Angeles, the "de la Porciúncula" part was never a part of the name of the city, only of the river. I think we are perpetuation misinformation here, and need to discuss it further. -- User:bgoldnyxnet
Mmanning 06:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Mmanning: According to what I have learned from members at the office of the El Pueblo Park, the original name was:
"El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora La Reina de Los Angeles sobre El Rio Porciúncula," which translates "...on the Porciuncula River."
From what I understand, the original Porciuncula River is in Spain, and the name itself is Italian. Gen. Portola named this river he found (the Los Angeles River) in its honor, and had left specific instructions for where this new Pueblo was to be situated, mostly for the access to the river's water. This was all part of a master plan on behalf of the King of Spain to gentrify Alta California, and downplay the role of the missions as the New World commercial centers. Of course the mission padres ignored the idea of being downplayed and began to compete against the new pueblos. So the idea in another part of this article that the settlers of Pueblo de Los Angeles came from the San Gabriel Mission is sorely misdirected. Remember, shortly after the revolution, the missions were secularized in order to break up the competition, plus the fact that the padres would maintain allegiance to the Church of Spain.
The original 22 families to settle the Pueblo were sent up from Monterey Mexico, and were a cross-section of the Mexican population from Spanish to Mulato to Negro. The residents at the mission were Native American Gabrielenos and the padres.
A lot more can be said about Olvera Street which is the outline of the original Pueblo. More can be said about the Avila Adobe which has a historical tale second to no other building in Los Angeles.
I invite any remarks to this. Thank you. User:Mmanning
Please vote on my proposal at the city naming conventions, which, if approved, would move this page to just Los Angeles. Dralwik 30 June 2005 22:33 (UTC)
I don't mind that Los Angeles redirects to Los Angeles, California, but I think that it is highly wrong to have the CITY of Los Angeles at Los Angeles. As the Los Angeles (disambiguation) page clearly shows, Los Angeles is a city, a county, a geographical feature ( Los Angeles Basin), a region with ill-defined boundaries, an airport, etc. The city of Los Angeles absolutely should not be at Los Angeles. BlankVerse ∅ 08:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
I personally think that this article should be at 'Los Angeles' with 'Los Angeles, California' being a redirect. I'm not sure I understand how the problem of the content of the page being ambiguous with whether it means the actual city of LA at some points and the Greater LA area at others would be either solved or exasperated by making this name change. I agree with the posters that say that it should be disambiguated in some way, but I honestly think that as a World City it shouldn't have the California listed as part of its name (as it is recognizable by only its name without State or Country added to it). My nomenclature for this setup would be something like:
(of course with the proper disambiguation pages still in place)
Sorry for the length. That's my two cents (more like 5 dollars). By the way, I'm just getting into this "wiki" stuff, heh. Mostly punctuation corrections and graffiti removal on WP so far.
Oh, and as an interesting tidbit of information, the first recorded use of the word Angeleno used to mean a native or resident of Los Angeles was (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) in 1888. And I always thought that it was a word that was made up by LA newscasters. Haha. -- MasterCKO 08:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
There are also some reports that 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants and 60 percent of outstanding felony warrants in the city are for illegal aliens [6] [7]
Los Angeles has one of the largest freeway networks among large cities of the U.S. They're really amazing, especially in the Downtown L.A. and Boyle Heights areas. I've noticed that the drivers on the L.A. interstates are really fast speeders, and whenever there is one-fourth mile gap between cars, the driver at the front speeds up immediately to "catch up" (this phenomenon doesn't happen often in other places in California like Northern California and the Central Valley). Around the Downtown L.A. interstate exchanges, getting onto another freeway can be quite a hectic situation. The lanes suddenly divides into something like "right lane Interstate XX only", and you MUST quickly switch lanes or you'll go the wrong way. But switching lanes is often difficult because the drivers are very aggresive speeders and won't let you pass them. The Downtown L.A. exchanges are really confusing and could get quite scary.
Besides, is there any section in this article or an article where I can get this information to, or is this info unencyclpedic? — Stevey7788 ( talk) 00:37, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
This article seems to be over 500kb, including the photos. This is one of the largest pages on my watchlist, and it must be excruciating for anyone on dial-up. Most of that size is due to the pictures. Can we remove or shrink some of them? Maybe the universities, Olvera street, some of the shots of flat expanses? Shrinking the pictures reduces the page size, but at some point they become insignificant postage stamps. Maybe the link to WikiCommons photos of L.A. could be made more prominent. Any thoughts? - Willmcw 06:41, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
Just moved the Geography section a bit upwards in the list and added info about the climate. There was a link to a "main article: Geography of Los Angeles", which really doesn't have any new information. So I cleaned out the old "main article" and marked it for speedy deletion. Dr. Cash 16:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
I've cleaned up the infobox a bit, went with a different format that's already being used for several other city sites ( Washington, D.C., Louisville, Kentucky, Richmond, Virginia, among others). The main difference is that now, the skyline picture is contained within the infobox, which makes it look a bit better. I also removed the elected representatives and moved them to a separate List of elected officials in Los Angeles article, linked to from the government section. Few cities, if any, include anything more than the mayor in the infobox. Dr. Cash 00:33, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be two versions of the infobox going around, and not to start an edit war about it, we should have a survey to gauge consensus.
The two versions are as follows; please review each by clicking on the historical links:
No, not Wikipedia plagarizing a different source, but....ANOTHER webpage lifting whole sections of Wikipedia's Los Angeles article (and probably others, too)
http://www.answers.com/topic/los-angeles-california
Now, I know that Wikipedia is "open source" but this seems a bit much, no? Check out the section on "Demographics" on that webpage, it is the Wiki page, verbatim.
Sirimiri 05:37, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
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As this is the Los Angeles WikiProject it is only natural that it would recieve the top rating, but that is not to say it does'nt need any work, it needs some polishing, but it still recieves top honours from the Project team. (♠ Taifar ious1♠) 01:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC) |
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Why does the title for this entry not bear ", California" like other cities' entries?
The bit about the "pachucos" is not NPOV. They attacked servicemen as well. They weren't just innocent victims.
Sorry those images I took are so ugly. They look like they were taken in the 1970s but they werent. :-/ Koyaanis Qatsi 21:50 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Is the big long Spanish name still in force? I thought that most of it had just been dropped. - Smack 23:03 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)
To alleviate size stress on this page, I moved the history to a separate page. 209.245.203.129 01:15, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I'm having a bit of a problem with the "religion" section. The assertion that "no religion was founded there" is troublesome, and the rest of the section is amazingly non-informative. I actually know less about the major religious factions in Los Angeles after reading this. I will research and augment. - Feedle 16:46, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I dunno how Koyannis' picture got taken off the article, but I put it back on. WhisperToMe 00:21, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I need some advice regarding what is ok and not ok to post. I publish a Web site titled Travelconsumer.com which has several pages of information about Los Angeles and includes articles about L.A. When I list Travelconsumer.com's city guide in the external links section it gets removed almost immediately and I received a warning about publishing a link to a commercial site on Wikipedia. What I don't understand is this. Travelconsumer.com does not sell any products or services. None! Yet other sites in the external links section are purely commercial and provide no information except about the products they sell. This being the case, why does my link to http://www.travelconsumer.com get bumped. If having advertising on my site is an issue, then nearly all of the external links on Wikipedia should be removed. Please advise.
My email address is listed http://www.travelconsumer.com/contact.htm.
I believe that I have read that California lead the nation (and was a significant portion of world output) in oil output, in one year in the early 20th century -- perhaps 1923 ? I think this was driven by huge finds near and in Los Angeles. This article only alludes to oil discoveries in the late nineteenth century.
Is the Tiburcio Vasquez in the article the one whom the Vasquez rocks are named for? They sit on the north side of Freeway 14 (Antelope Valley freeway) near Pearblossom. All I know is that bandits used to hide in Vasquez rocks 207.69.139.9 08:36, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I think we should move the history section to its own page--it really is quite big. jengod 23:30, Feb 8, 2004 (UTC)
Yes, move to its own page, but leave a one paragraph summary on this one and head it as:
Well...what we have now is quite shitty. The population data should be moved too. --~~~~
==History==
''Main article: [[History of Los Angeles]]''
[text of summary]
-- Jia ng 23:33, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
What the hell! The history section of this great city only says: "The history includes earthquakes, riots, mudslides, movie stars, oil rigs, aerospace pioneers, surfers, politicians and palm trees." That is horrid and much worse than having a section that is too long. In the future please do not just move sections like this - at least a several paragraph summary is needed for this article. Yet another thing for my ToDo list. --- mav
I am disputing this article's neutrality for the following reasons: 1) "manifest destiny" refers to one point of view or theory of American History 2) the part on the Owens Valley water deal is biased in that it portrays the people who arranged for the aqueduct as being somehow villainous. 3) The stereotypes section is pointless and lame. 4) The history of L.A. as an Open Shop town part is too ideological/leftist to be construed as serious history - maybe pseudohistory?
Having said that, I will now proceed to post something on food in Los Angeles and enlighten all to the invention of the French Dip Sandwich (either Cole's or Phillippe's, but most likely Phillippe's), the salad and the Tommy's Hamburger. I will invite others to augment that part.
-- User:tcotrel 16:28 22 Feb 2004
I tried making changes a few weeks/months ago. The bias, as I see it IMHO, is too widespread and would require a complete re-write.
User:tcotrel 16:50 22 Feb 2004
Until the latest changes, Los Angeles redirected here, and there was a disambiguation notice at the top of this article in case anyone was looking for the county or the ship or whatever. Now, Los Angeles has the disambiguation, with no redirect. The problem is that 99% of the people entering Los Angeles are looking for this article. Now they have to go through an extra step to get here. There are many links to Los Angeles that haven't been changed to point to Los Angeles, California, and even if all were changed, new ones would constantly be added. I think the former setup was better. JamesMLane 08:14, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
What is meant by Los Angeles's sister cities? [[User:Nichalp|¶ nichalp | Talk]] 18:49, Jul 25, 2004 (UTC)
I take issue with the statement that the LA metro area is frequently called the "Southland". That is a relatively recent nickname that many people are not aware of. If I'm not mistaken, journalists were the first to use that nickname.
Additionally, "Southland" has been used to apply to Southern California, which includes San Diego.
L.A. has so damn many neighborhoods that no attempt should really be made to list them all on the main page. Over on the Los Angeles neighborhoods category page, I came up with eight general areas into which the city could be categorized, but I think I'll get rid of the crap over there.
The categories I came up with are:
Thoughts?
-- Slightlyslack 07:33, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I found a list of official neighborhoods here: http://www.lacity.org/bpw/ocs/nmf/communities.html These are the neighborhoods that are not listed in the article (more than I thought). Some are rarely ever referred to, but I guess they are important to the residents. I also see that there is a wiki category 'Category:Los_Angeles_neighborhoods'. Do a geographic listing if you want, but please don't delete the alphabetic listing. (maybe is should just be replaced by a link to the category page?) And to repeat Jengod's question: What crap over where?
Baldwin Village, Beverly Crest, Beverly Glen, Castlemarre, Central City North, Central City, Crenshaw, Cypress Park, Downtown Los Angeles, Harbor Gateway, Harbor City, Hermon, Hyde Park, Jefferson Park, Lake Balboa, Lakeview, Lakeview Terrace, Mid-Wilshire, Mid-City West, Mid-City, Monterey Hills, Mt. Olympus, Park La Brea, Playa Vista, Shadow Hills, Southeast LA, Sunset Junction, Valley Glen, Valley Village, Warner Center, West Alameda, Wilshire Center, Woodland Hills
It would be great if there was a map(maybe even clickable) that identified where the neighborhoods in LA are in the city. When the're just a big list, it's hard to get any feeling for them. As a LA resident, I know that the neighborhoods are one of the most important parts of LA. JesseW 11:03, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Due to the size of the main article, some more topics should be split off into separate articles. Some that come to mind are Los_Angeles,_California#Sites_of_interest, Los_Angeles,_California#Notable_natives and Los_Angeles,_California#Culture. Any other suggestions? Willmcw 21:52, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I would like to see a reference for this. I never throught of the LA freeway system as a "symbol of dysfunction" and I couldn't find a google reference for this in a cursory search. Anybody what to defend this phrasing? JesseW 05:17, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I don't know about the freeways but I know our public schools and public transportation are paragons of "dysfunction", and by dysfunction I mean crap. -- 24.126.30.46 02:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
It looks like the Bot attack and subsequent edits have somehow duplicated sections. Can someone do a repair before anyone else comes in and edits? I don't think a simple revert will do it.
The sources that have given me the impression that the battle of Rio San Gabriel was the decisive battle in which Los Angeles became American comes from http://www.cityofmontebello.com/CITYINFO/HISTORY.HTM , http://www.losangelesalmanac.com/topics/History/hi06.htm , http://www.mta.net/LAUND/yester/lytimeline.htm , and http://www.lospobladores.org/Battle-San-Gabriel.htm and best http://www.gbp.net/mexicanwar/mexwar/messages/12.html
Yes there were many battles after the Battle of Rio San Gabriel but nobody is re-enacting it as they have the Battle of Rio San Gabriel. You can ask steveclugston@yahoo.com Even the MTA recognizes the battle as decisive.
Here is Mr. Clugston's impression on why importance is not given to the Battle.
"The battle is very important, and for some strange reason, overlooked by historians. Why this is so, is very suspicious in that the battle was the pivotal and largest battle in California history (as far as the number of combatants invoved). After San Gabriel, and the battle the very next day: the "Battle of La Mesa" (many link the two battles as one), California became a U.S. possession ever since. One theory, which makes the most sense: is that Fremont and Senator Benton wanted to slander and minimalize General Kearny & Stockton's victory of the Californios at San Gabriel and focused on his alleged defeat at San Pasqual instead. This was due to the court-martial of Fremont. Kearny died in 1848 and was not around to defend his record, and San Francisco historians supported the writings of Fremont since he was running for state senator and then a presidential candidate, as well as being appointed a Civil War General later. We hope to be able to set the record straight by emphasising the truth about the war in California and hope to be able to report more progress soon. " So please.... I really think it is worth leaving in.. if not, add a mention of La Mesa battle and it will be complete.-- Lebite 08:32, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I was thinking that it would be fun to create a separate article on how different people pronounce Los Angeles--everything from the very Spanish pronunciation (Los An-hell-ess), to the vary bizarre sounding (to me) Loze Angle-Leeze (there was one old-time LA TV newscaster who always said it this way and it drove me crazy). I would need help, however, on doing the proper pronunciation markings ( IPA?). Any comments? [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 11:45, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Is it just me, or are there others who are bothered by the fact that in this article on the "City of Los Angeles" there is information that really isn't about the city itself but is more about the surrounding region? There are already several other "Los Angeles articles (see Los Angeles (disambiguation)) and the Greater Los Angeles Area article might be a place to put the LA region info into, but my inclination is that instead of doing that there should probably be a separate article created ( Los Angeles region?) and the "Los Angeles, California" article should be restricted to only information related to the City of Los Angeles. [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 06:31, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Surfing? Almost all the surfing spots and the areas that are associated with the surfing culture of LA county are outside of the city limits. Skateboarding? I remember the beginning of skateboarding in the early 60's, and nobody who was more than five miles from the ocean knew anything about skateboards, so I doubt that the city of LA had anything to do with skateboards (well, maybe Venice a little). Unless someone can provide some good references, I'd remove the info on both surfing and skateboarding. The grumpy Wikicynic gK ¿? 02:09, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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Actually, the numbers on the page are quite correct. If you define "city" using the strictly legal definition in terms of the municipal corporation and its territory, then Los Angeles has about 3.8 million and New York has 8 million people. But if you define "city" in the broader sense of greater metropolitan area, then Los Angeles has about 16 to 17 million people (including contiguous portions of Los Angeles, Orange, Ventura, San Bernardino, and Riverside counties), and New York has more than 22 million people (if one includes 12 contiguous counties in two other states in addition to the five counties that make up NYC). -- Coolcaesar 20:22, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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I consider Los Angeles to include not only the city "proper" (adresses within "Los Angeles") but areas in the outer city (such as those in the San Fernando Valley that DON'T have Los Angeles adresses but ARE part of the city - i.e. Woodland Hills) as well as those that are (in part or in whole) inside of Los Angeles County (which includes areas like Agoura Hills). New York may have more than 22 million people if you include those 12 contiguous counties but if they aren't part of New York City than I don't consider the population of those counties to count. Just as I would not count residents of Orange County in LA's population.
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Well, first of all, Woodland Hills is part of the city proper, even if the USPS requires it to be addressed separately. And it, along with every other neighborhood in the City of Los Angeles, is already included in the city's total population as measured by the Census. If you had some familiarity with dealing with the American federal government, you would realize that its hundreds of agencies can, and do often engage in maddingly inconsistent policies.
And if you look at the map at http://trafficinfo.lacity.org/, you'll notice that Woodland Hills is clearly inside the City of Los Angeles.
Second, the problem with your methodology is that it completely fails to recognize that the legal structure of counties is completely different on the East Coast (see the U.S. counties article for more explanation). Only in some Midwestern and Western cities is a county usually larger than the primary metro city that it encompasses (e.g., Chicago, Illinois is part of the much larger Cook County).
In contrast, for various historical and legal reasons, the borders of the City of New York are exactly contiguous with five counties (representing the five boroughs); the only city in each of those five counties is a borough of the City of New York. New York State is one of those weird states where cities can span multiple counties.
I suppose using your bizarre, biased, arbitrary, and contorted definition of metropolitan area might produce a higher population for Los Angeles than New York, but it would fail to include many suburban cities that immediately border the City of New York (but lie in other counties) and whose residents would call themselves residents of the New York metro area (just as Agoura Hills residents call themselves residents of the L.A. metro area).
Examples include the cities of Great Neck, Elmont, Yonkers, Mount Vernon, and New Rochelle. If you look at an online street map of the New York area (or own a nationwide street map program like I do), you'd see immediately that the street grid of the New York suburban sprawl runs east on Long Island with no gaps for more than 37 miles, to the city of Medford. It runs northeast to Stamford, Connecticut, west to Parsippany Troy Hills, New Jersey, south to Perth Amboy (or even Trenton, some would argue), and so on. In contrast, there are some gaps in the sprawl between the City of Agoura Hills and Los Angeles; the same goes for Simi Valley and Santa Clarita.
The point is that your methodology would fail to count people in the New York suburbs who strongly consider themselves to be part of the New York area, since they live right next to the City of New York. Your methodology is nearly as silly as not letting people in Simi Valley consider themselves to be part of the L.A. area (most tourists would think they are), just because they live across the boundary in Ventura County.
To further demonstrate how silly your methodology is, consider applying it to the city and county of St. Louis, Missouri. Such a methodology would fail to include cities that most St. Louis residents would consider to be part of the St. Louis metro area, like East St. Louis (which lies across the river in St. Clair County in the state of Illinois).
Or consider Boston, Massachusetts, which lies in Suffolk County. Again, your methodology would deny Cambridge, Massachusetts, the honor of being counted as part of the Boston metro area, just because it lies across the Charles River in Middlesex County. Most Harvard graduates would be horrified at the idea that Harvard isn't part of the greater Boston area.
Well, I think I've made my point. The most consistent methodologies are the ones I've already articulated (and which are used by professional demographers); either one goes with the legal boundaries of the municipal corporation, which are used by the Census; or one can add on all contiguous cities to get a total number for the whole metropolitan area.
-- Coolcaesar 05:05, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
-- First of all, I was unaware of the fact that counties are not treated the same way in the East Coast as they are out here. I won't argue the actual figures anymore because your's are obviously correct, and I was mistaken. BUT there is a distinct difference between "feeling" like you are part of a city and actually BEING part of that city. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley and now live in the Los Angeles County half of Agoura Hills, I am, by most any definition, an "Angelino". But I'm taking classes right now at Moorpark Junior College, which takes it's main pull of students from Simi Valley/Moorpark/Camarillo. Many of those people seem quite content with the fact that they AREN'T part of Los Angeles and are quite happy to remind people as much. They consider it to be a better "cleaner" life where they are and wouldn't want to become part of the city of Los Angeles even if given the chance. Beyond that, they simply aren't residents of Los Angeles or the Greater L.A. area even if they proclaim to be, regardless of what any resident or tourist alike would prefer to believe or tell people. By that logic, San Diego residents may as well start calling themselves Los Angeles residents, since San Deigo doesn't take much longer to get to from my house (about 3 hours) than does LAX (which can take 1 and 1/2 to 2 hours to reach in rush hour traffic).
--You'll see I've moved three of the most extensive lists on this article to their own separate pages. Most major city articles are now moving away from simply being a "list of lists" as the amount and quality of the text on them continues to improve. A perfect example of this is the New York City article, which no longer contains any lists within it at all. -- Jleon 14:49, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Looks good and it makes the page much more readable. However, your titles are not in line with Wiki style (run a Google search across the various lists of lists on Wikipedia to see what I mean). I'm moving the articles to the correct titles.
-- Coolcaesar 00:51, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hello to Lan56:
I understand you're trying to help, but the two photos you just added to Los Angeles are rather ugly. The problem is that they have poor contrast and they're not properly color balanced (they have a strong bluish tint). You do know how to use Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro, right? I hope you're not color-blind!
I suppose they would be all right if they were the only photos around, but there are already several excellent color balanced photos of Los Angeles in the article. And no, it's not my screen; the photos that were already in the L.A. article show up fine (with R, G and B components correctly balanced) and look beautiful.
-- Coolcaesar 23:56, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Someone who knows something about this please look at the recent edit by BAMJ6 and see if it is correct? It seems odd that the %age of whites would change so dramatically without the %age of other races changing. Is this just vandalism by bamj6? -- csloat 03:03, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
--The 2000 Census confirms the 46.9% figure. While it may have a changed a few percentage points since then, whoever put that much lower figure must have done something strange like just adding up the European ancestry groups. -- Jleon 18:58, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
From "People" section: "Los Angeles hosts the largest populations of Armenians, Cambodians, Filipinos, Guatemalans, Koreans, Thais, Mexicans, and Salvadorans outside of their respective countries." I was under the impression that there are actually more Armenians in L.A. than there are in Armenia. Is this incorrect? -- csloat 17:42, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
-That's technically impossible since Armenia has a population of over 3 million people. It might be possible that LA has more Armenians than the Armenian capital, Yerevan which has a population of over one million but not all of whom would call themselves "Armenian." If that was the case, it would make it accurate to say that LA has more Armenians than any other city in the world. -- Jleon 17:50, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
FYI, we are losing that great aerial photo of downtown and the mountains ( Image:Los_Angeles_skyline_daytime_2.jpg) as it is apparently not in the public domain. The night photo in the article ( Image:Lightmatter la at night 001.jpg) is usable, but not distinctively "Los Angeles." So I've uploaded a photo of my own ( image:Echo Park Lake Los Angeles skyline.JPG) as a replacement. I admit that it is not nearly so glorious as the aerial photo, and I'm still working on the contrast levels. Any other ideas for a good anchor photo? - Willmcw 22:47, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
--That's a shame, I always wondered about that photo because its rare to see a pic so professionally done, and so recently, to be in the public domain. I guess this means it will have to removed from the United States article too. The echo park photo is nice but it really shouldn't be the intro pic. I think we should use the nightime shot in the intro until something better can be found. -- Jleon 12:34, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Can any of these can help? [4]. The disclaimer reads "All images are believed to be in the public domain" that "believed" part is a kinda iffy to me, but im sure they are PD. Problem is, they are not that great of quality, and the only good ones are too wide for use here. -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 08:38, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
I think that any photos of the skyline from the Mulholland lookout spot over the Hollywood Bowl, Griffith Observatory, or from certain spots at University of Southern California (for example, this shot) are not good because of the lack of visible buildings, especially from Mulholland ( like this one). It makes it look embarresingly small. I think the best shot would be one like what KABC7 shows sometimes in the afternoon with Dallas Reines where they show a shot from the Santa Monica Mountains over Malibu and the skyline of Century City and downtown are viewable and both skylines are very busy looking. From Baldwin Hills is a good area too. Unfortunately, I have no sources for such images :( -- Lan56 01:59, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
That Olvera Street Picture is tiny. Can someone zoom it up?
--Lan56, I actually think that Mulholland photo is pretty good. It's very similar to many "skyline" photos of Tokyo in that it shows the sprawling, decentralized nature of the city. A closeup of Downtown wouldn't be that great because of the abscence of many widely recognizable buildings there. -- Jleon 18:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Or is he the mayor-elect? When is he sworn in? The sidebar lists him as mayor, but as far as I know, he only just won the election. Velvetsmog 01:19, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
In response to the intro aerial shot's copyright issues, I think a great shot would be one like this. The skyline of Century City and downtown are shown and both look busy. Only problem is that it is copyrighted :( but its an idea -- Lan56 00:59, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
Does this article really need the long list on recently built residential towers, especially since it doesn't list any of the older, larger commercial skyscrapers? It looks like, to me, that some real estate agents have been "spamming" the page. It would be better to a separate article that covers ALL of the highrises in the LA area. If nobody objects, I am going to remove the list in the next day or two. BlankVerse ∅ 08:59, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
For whenever a Skyline of Los Angeles article is created (or better yet, an Architecture of Los Angeles or maybe City planning in Los Angeles article is created), I've found a list of the 327 largest buildings in the LA area here. BlankVerse ∅ 12:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
see http://www.losangelesalmanac.com/LA/la10b.htm
Those statistics are for the county, but I would imagine that there is little difference between the county and city for this particular statistic. BlankVerse ∅ 10:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
There are a number of nice LA photos in the Commons, including one that is a Feature Photo: Nighttime view of Downtown L.A. and the Hollywood Freeway Image:LosAngeles04.jpg. The rest of the photos can be found at this link commons:Los_Angeles. BlankVerse ∅ 14:59, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Regarding the original Spanish name and its translation:
El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de la Porciúncula, "The Town of Our Lady Queen of the Angels of the Small Portion".
It appears that "del río" got forgotten (even though different web sources vary on this). Also, "pueblo" translates to "village".
Acto the official page of the City of Los Angeles, the "de la Porciúncula" part was never a part of the name of the city, only of the river. I think we are perpetuation misinformation here, and need to discuss it further. -- User:bgoldnyxnet
Mmanning 06:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Mmanning: According to what I have learned from members at the office of the El Pueblo Park, the original name was:
"El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora La Reina de Los Angeles sobre El Rio Porciúncula," which translates "...on the Porciuncula River."
From what I understand, the original Porciuncula River is in Spain, and the name itself is Italian. Gen. Portola named this river he found (the Los Angeles River) in its honor, and had left specific instructions for where this new Pueblo was to be situated, mostly for the access to the river's water. This was all part of a master plan on behalf of the King of Spain to gentrify Alta California, and downplay the role of the missions as the New World commercial centers. Of course the mission padres ignored the idea of being downplayed and began to compete against the new pueblos. So the idea in another part of this article that the settlers of Pueblo de Los Angeles came from the San Gabriel Mission is sorely misdirected. Remember, shortly after the revolution, the missions were secularized in order to break up the competition, plus the fact that the padres would maintain allegiance to the Church of Spain.
The original 22 families to settle the Pueblo were sent up from Monterey Mexico, and were a cross-section of the Mexican population from Spanish to Mulato to Negro. The residents at the mission were Native American Gabrielenos and the padres.
A lot more can be said about Olvera Street which is the outline of the original Pueblo. More can be said about the Avila Adobe which has a historical tale second to no other building in Los Angeles.
I invite any remarks to this. Thank you. User:Mmanning
Please vote on my proposal at the city naming conventions, which, if approved, would move this page to just Los Angeles. Dralwik 30 June 2005 22:33 (UTC)
I don't mind that Los Angeles redirects to Los Angeles, California, but I think that it is highly wrong to have the CITY of Los Angeles at Los Angeles. As the Los Angeles (disambiguation) page clearly shows, Los Angeles is a city, a county, a geographical feature ( Los Angeles Basin), a region with ill-defined boundaries, an airport, etc. The city of Los Angeles absolutely should not be at Los Angeles. BlankVerse ∅ 08:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
I personally think that this article should be at 'Los Angeles' with 'Los Angeles, California' being a redirect. I'm not sure I understand how the problem of the content of the page being ambiguous with whether it means the actual city of LA at some points and the Greater LA area at others would be either solved or exasperated by making this name change. I agree with the posters that say that it should be disambiguated in some way, but I honestly think that as a World City it shouldn't have the California listed as part of its name (as it is recognizable by only its name without State or Country added to it). My nomenclature for this setup would be something like:
(of course with the proper disambiguation pages still in place)
Sorry for the length. That's my two cents (more like 5 dollars). By the way, I'm just getting into this "wiki" stuff, heh. Mostly punctuation corrections and graffiti removal on WP so far.
Oh, and as an interesting tidbit of information, the first recorded use of the word Angeleno used to mean a native or resident of Los Angeles was (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) in 1888. And I always thought that it was a word that was made up by LA newscasters. Haha. -- MasterCKO 08:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
There are also some reports that 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants and 60 percent of outstanding felony warrants in the city are for illegal aliens [6] [7]
Los Angeles has one of the largest freeway networks among large cities of the U.S. They're really amazing, especially in the Downtown L.A. and Boyle Heights areas. I've noticed that the drivers on the L.A. interstates are really fast speeders, and whenever there is one-fourth mile gap between cars, the driver at the front speeds up immediately to "catch up" (this phenomenon doesn't happen often in other places in California like Northern California and the Central Valley). Around the Downtown L.A. interstate exchanges, getting onto another freeway can be quite a hectic situation. The lanes suddenly divides into something like "right lane Interstate XX only", and you MUST quickly switch lanes or you'll go the wrong way. But switching lanes is often difficult because the drivers are very aggresive speeders and won't let you pass them. The Downtown L.A. exchanges are really confusing and could get quite scary.
Besides, is there any section in this article or an article where I can get this information to, or is this info unencyclpedic? — Stevey7788 ( talk) 00:37, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
This article seems to be over 500kb, including the photos. This is one of the largest pages on my watchlist, and it must be excruciating for anyone on dial-up. Most of that size is due to the pictures. Can we remove or shrink some of them? Maybe the universities, Olvera street, some of the shots of flat expanses? Shrinking the pictures reduces the page size, but at some point they become insignificant postage stamps. Maybe the link to WikiCommons photos of L.A. could be made more prominent. Any thoughts? - Willmcw 06:41, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
Just moved the Geography section a bit upwards in the list and added info about the climate. There was a link to a "main article: Geography of Los Angeles", which really doesn't have any new information. So I cleaned out the old "main article" and marked it for speedy deletion. Dr. Cash 16:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
I've cleaned up the infobox a bit, went with a different format that's already being used for several other city sites ( Washington, D.C., Louisville, Kentucky, Richmond, Virginia, among others). The main difference is that now, the skyline picture is contained within the infobox, which makes it look a bit better. I also removed the elected representatives and moved them to a separate List of elected officials in Los Angeles article, linked to from the government section. Few cities, if any, include anything more than the mayor in the infobox. Dr. Cash 00:33, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be two versions of the infobox going around, and not to start an edit war about it, we should have a survey to gauge consensus.
The two versions are as follows; please review each by clicking on the historical links:
No, not Wikipedia plagarizing a different source, but....ANOTHER webpage lifting whole sections of Wikipedia's Los Angeles article (and probably others, too)
http://www.answers.com/topic/los-angeles-california
Now, I know that Wikipedia is "open source" but this seems a bit much, no? Check out the section on "Demographics" on that webpage, it is the Wiki page, verbatim.
Sirimiri 05:37, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Los Angeles/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
As this is the Los Angeles WikiProject it is only natural that it would recieve the top rating, but that is not to say it does'nt need any work, it needs some polishing, but it still recieves top honours from the Project team. (♠ Taifar ious1♠) 01:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC) |
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