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I believe this should become a part of List of Iranians. roozbeh 12:33, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
So far added 122 to the list that was already there. Will add another 100 or so distinguished Iranian scientists soon again. I hope we dont run out of space here. Otherwise we'll have to further separate the list.-- Zereshk 00:25, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Philosophers aren't usually considered scientists, especially mystic philosophers. Art LaPella 06:01, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Today, perhaps. But not in those days. Even Avicenna was a philosopher and had many ideas and arguments in philosophical debates. In those days, the scientist and philosophers were essentially the same thing. Perhaps we should mention this at the top of the page for clarification. --
Zereshk 22:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
A concise short list of Iranian geology workers with scientific qualifications? Logo. Why not?
I couldn't help but notice so many mistakes concerning the profession of Physics. A person who studies, teaches or researches the science of physics is referred to as a Physicist and NOT a Physician as this article refers to. Please consider changing Physcian to Physicist. A physician (Physio) is a person who practices Physiotheraphy not Physics.
Thanks.
Since in the Iranian list, there are scientists and scholars who's ethnicity (as most iranian editor claim) is not clear, e.g. Geber, Alhazen, Al-Farabi,etc, the following disclamier will be added as in List of Arab scientists and scholars.
...In some cases, their exact ancestry is unclear. They may have emigrated or immigrated, and thus may appear in other "Lists of...", but nevertheless their names and work are somehow linked to the words "Iranian".
Jidan 11:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
The disclaimer at the top says:
By "Iranian", all the peoples of historic Persia are meant, i.e. what is today Iran, Afghanistan, and all the countries of Central Asia ("common modern definition") that were historically part of the Persian empire .
This is a ridiculus statement. Iranians are simply all people that come from Iran. Many great names like Al-Farabi (from Turkestan or Afghinistan), Al-Biruni (from Uzbikastan), or Avicenna(from Uzbikastan) are not from Iran, so why are they (among others) listed in the list of Iranians ??? Jidan 00:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Interducing an Iranian inventor, who holds Patent Numbers: 5,370,430 7,180,203 and patent pending number,20090195362 from USPTO.
For more information please contact at e-mail: patent7@aol.com
Mehdi G. Mozafari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.29.68 ( talk) 18:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Arabs want to steal the Persian Gulf. Arabs/Turks/Indians want to steal Iranian heritage figures, and when you provide academic sources affirming their Persian identity like Oxford, Britanica, Encycl. Islam, they complain everything is Persianated. Why live in the shadows of Persians. Get your own historical/scientifical/philosophical/poetical figures! I'm running into a lot of governmental sites and cultural heritage sites that make these false claims. Very displeasing indeed. Thanks for all your hard work, and for at least putting up a good fight, even if it's merely on wikipedia. Merci! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc ( talk • contribs) 18:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Almost every ethnicity has it's famous and world-renowned people, although some do have more than others. LouisAragon ( talk) 20:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I think there are no persian and world scientist before Islam, Arab muslim were spread through the world teach many things, there are many Arab descent in persian scientists list....they should not be in persian list. now there are no persians, Iran is not a persians, Iran is a mixture many nations mostly Arabs.
there's no need list of Arab or persian scientists...there should be a muslim scientists list, cause Islamic civilization did generate those scientists. Allah knows best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shatree ( talk • contribs) 08:55, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
We already have a list of Muslim scientist, but we also have a list of Persian scientist. Do you understand why? It's because Persians (alongside with many other muslim ethnicities, like Andalusian/Moorish Spaniards) contributed ALOT during the Middle Ages. Together the two contributed more to islamic science in the Middle Ages than ethnic Arab scientists, that for sure. So it is just fine as it is now. Regards. LouisAragon ( talk) 20:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
What "Islamic Scientists" the term is as meaningless as dangerous. Do we call all the different European or American Scholars " Christian Scientists "? The only reason that Iranians published their work in Arabic was to avoid the occupying Arabs burning the books that were not written in a language they did not understand. It was for the same reason that once Thisphone, the seat of power of the Sassanid Dynasty fell to the Arabs and they set about burning the books that were written in Greek and Persian, the Persian translators had to hurridly translate the works of ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Chinese and Persians into Arabic an act that kept the civilization from going back to the stone age. I am a British moslem myself but I doubt very much if any of our 3 branches of Semite religions have anything to do with the expansion of science. It was only a few years ago that Pope John Paul the 2nd apologized to Galileo, after nearly 350 years, because of the behavior of the catholic church towards him and science. Where are these Islamic scientists now?
A.G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.108.182 ( talk) 01:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Dear 103.115.184.249,
You're probably right that it's better to include Jabir ibn Hayyan here, even though it's not certain that he was Iranian. I propose to phrase this in the following way:
As for al-Jildaki, since it has now been shown that he was Egyptian (references on his page), should we not leave him out here?
Please let us know what you think, Apaugasma ( talk| contribs) 20:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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I believe this should become a part of List of Iranians. roozbeh 12:33, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
So far added 122 to the list that was already there. Will add another 100 or so distinguished Iranian scientists soon again. I hope we dont run out of space here. Otherwise we'll have to further separate the list.-- Zereshk 00:25, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Philosophers aren't usually considered scientists, especially mystic philosophers. Art LaPella 06:01, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Today, perhaps. But not in those days. Even Avicenna was a philosopher and had many ideas and arguments in philosophical debates. In those days, the scientist and philosophers were essentially the same thing. Perhaps we should mention this at the top of the page for clarification. --
Zereshk 22:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
A concise short list of Iranian geology workers with scientific qualifications? Logo. Why not?
I couldn't help but notice so many mistakes concerning the profession of Physics. A person who studies, teaches or researches the science of physics is referred to as a Physicist and NOT a Physician as this article refers to. Please consider changing Physcian to Physicist. A physician (Physio) is a person who practices Physiotheraphy not Physics.
Thanks.
Since in the Iranian list, there are scientists and scholars who's ethnicity (as most iranian editor claim) is not clear, e.g. Geber, Alhazen, Al-Farabi,etc, the following disclamier will be added as in List of Arab scientists and scholars.
...In some cases, their exact ancestry is unclear. They may have emigrated or immigrated, and thus may appear in other "Lists of...", but nevertheless their names and work are somehow linked to the words "Iranian".
Jidan 11:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
The disclaimer at the top says:
By "Iranian", all the peoples of historic Persia are meant, i.e. what is today Iran, Afghanistan, and all the countries of Central Asia ("common modern definition") that were historically part of the Persian empire .
This is a ridiculus statement. Iranians are simply all people that come from Iran. Many great names like Al-Farabi (from Turkestan or Afghinistan), Al-Biruni (from Uzbikastan), or Avicenna(from Uzbikastan) are not from Iran, so why are they (among others) listed in the list of Iranians ??? Jidan 00:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Interducing an Iranian inventor, who holds Patent Numbers: 5,370,430 7,180,203 and patent pending number,20090195362 from USPTO.
For more information please contact at e-mail: patent7@aol.com
Mehdi G. Mozafari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.29.68 ( talk) 18:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Arabs want to steal the Persian Gulf. Arabs/Turks/Indians want to steal Iranian heritage figures, and when you provide academic sources affirming their Persian identity like Oxford, Britanica, Encycl. Islam, they complain everything is Persianated. Why live in the shadows of Persians. Get your own historical/scientifical/philosophical/poetical figures! I'm running into a lot of governmental sites and cultural heritage sites that make these false claims. Very displeasing indeed. Thanks for all your hard work, and for at least putting up a good fight, even if it's merely on wikipedia. Merci! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc ( talk • contribs) 18:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Almost every ethnicity has it's famous and world-renowned people, although some do have more than others. LouisAragon ( talk) 20:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I think there are no persian and world scientist before Islam, Arab muslim were spread through the world teach many things, there are many Arab descent in persian scientists list....they should not be in persian list. now there are no persians, Iran is not a persians, Iran is a mixture many nations mostly Arabs.
there's no need list of Arab or persian scientists...there should be a muslim scientists list, cause Islamic civilization did generate those scientists. Allah knows best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shatree ( talk • contribs) 08:55, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
We already have a list of Muslim scientist, but we also have a list of Persian scientist. Do you understand why? It's because Persians (alongside with many other muslim ethnicities, like Andalusian/Moorish Spaniards) contributed ALOT during the Middle Ages. Together the two contributed more to islamic science in the Middle Ages than ethnic Arab scientists, that for sure. So it is just fine as it is now. Regards. LouisAragon ( talk) 20:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
What "Islamic Scientists" the term is as meaningless as dangerous. Do we call all the different European or American Scholars " Christian Scientists "? The only reason that Iranians published their work in Arabic was to avoid the occupying Arabs burning the books that were not written in a language they did not understand. It was for the same reason that once Thisphone, the seat of power of the Sassanid Dynasty fell to the Arabs and they set about burning the books that were written in Greek and Persian, the Persian translators had to hurridly translate the works of ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Chinese and Persians into Arabic an act that kept the civilization from going back to the stone age. I am a British moslem myself but I doubt very much if any of our 3 branches of Semite religions have anything to do with the expansion of science. It was only a few years ago that Pope John Paul the 2nd apologized to Galileo, after nearly 350 years, because of the behavior of the catholic church towards him and science. Where are these Islamic scientists now?
A.G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.108.182 ( talk) 01:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Dear 103.115.184.249,
You're probably right that it's better to include Jabir ibn Hayyan here, even though it's not certain that he was Iranian. I propose to phrase this in the following way:
As for al-Jildaki, since it has now been shown that he was Egyptian (references on his page), should we not leave him out here?
Please let us know what you think, Apaugasma ( talk| contribs) 20:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)