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This article needs clarification. Links to election should be removed, as we're showing inaugural years. GoodDay ( talk) 20:34, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Should Sununu really be considered a minority governor, at least not under the category "Cuban American"? His father's family might've been from Cuba, but they had Middle Eastern roots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander Joshua ( talk • contribs) 01:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Governor of Nevada from 1967–71. Son of Basque parents from Spain, so he'd be considered Hispanic. MB298 ( talk) 04:10, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Since Arabs and Middle Easterners are considered white per the U.S. Census, should we include them as minorities? @ Reywas92: I'd like your input on this. If so, there are some others to add:
MB298 ( talk) 20:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Is it just me or is the territorial section a bit silly? I mean almost every single US territory has a non-White majority and thus most of their leaders reflect this demographic. Inter&anthro ( talk) 17:38, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
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The article's introduction currently states that it includes governors and lieutenant governors with at least one parent that is "not of non-Hispanic white descent (such as African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic and Latino Americans, or Native Americans)." For some reason, Arab Americans (Lebanese Americans, Palestinian Americans and Syrian Americans) and non-Arab Middle-Eastern Americans (Assyrian Americans (confusingly listed here as "Syrian Americans") and Persian Americans (listed as Iranian Americans)) are also included despite being members of groups that, with few exceptions, are composed of non-Hispanic whites. (Please note that, while Lebanon, Iran, etc. are in Asia, the term "Asian American," as used in the United States (both officially and colloquially), is limited to South Asians and East Asians.)
Arab and Middle-Eastern Americans are ethnic minorities in the sense that, say, Greek Americans or Jewish Americans are "minorities" in America (if one didn't group them with non-Hispanic whites, then by definition they wouldn't be "in the majority"), but they aren't deemed to be an ethnic minority by the U.S. government and there is no U.S. Census box to check for Arab or Middle-Eastern Americans. For members of such groups to be included in the article, we would need to change the categories for inclusion in the introductory paragraph so as to specifically include Arab and Middle-Eastern Americans.
The question is, do we want to keep Arab and Middle-Eastern Americans in the article? It is true that there is an article on Arab and Middle-Eastern Americans in the U.S. Congress, but then again there are articles on other "minority groups" in Congress such as women and Jewish Americans. I think that we need to develop a consensus before making changes in one direction or the other. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 12:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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I have removed John H. Sununu and Chris Sununu from the list. The list described them as Salvadoran American. The apparent basis for this is that John H. Sununu's mother was born in El Salvador to parents of Lebanese ancestry. Neither Sununu's Wikipedia page identifies him as Salvadoran American, or even as Hispanic. SunCrow ( talk) 23:02, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hello everyone. I was wondering do Sephardic Jews count because even though they are Jewish/Middle Eastern they still have Hispanic ancestry (as well as others). HospitalDinoko3344 ( talk) 17:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Also I would like to name a few. • Franklin J. Moses Jr • George Allen • Washington Bartlett
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I understand what you are trying to say and I agree. But I just want to say that I understand that that it could be a stretch when it comes to Sephardic Jews, but the thing is that People like Johnston Murray and Kevin Stitt are featured. I'm not saying we should take them off, it's just that like you said it could be a stretch to call either of these governors Hispanic since they may have other ancestry as well but since these people probably have Spanish Ancestry due to Sephardic Jews being an admixture Of Middle Eastern l, Iberian, and Other Mediterranean. What I am trying to say is that since Johnston Murray and Kevin Stitt are listed despite having a small amount of ancestry and being mixed how come a Sephardic Jew that most likely has Spanish Ancestry does not. HospitalDinoko3344 ( talk) 18:55, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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I don't want to clog up the AfD page, so can someone here explain to me the inclusion criteria for the Territorial governors list? Preferably with some sourcing treating this cross-categorisation? Currently it looks like this list excludes US ethnic minorities that who come from ethnic groups who are the majority ethnic group in the territory. Also excluded are non-Hispanic whites even if they are an ethnic minority in the territory. Why is this same rationale not applied to Hawaii that has a majority ethnic group that is not non-Hispanic white (which would exclude quite a few entries)? Seems to me that there is some WP:POV picking and choosing for the inclusion criteria. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 04:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Additionally would love an explanation of the Philippines' lieutenant governors here? I don't really think the term 'minority' makes sense in the multi-ethnic context of the Philippines. Visayan and Ilocano are among the larger ethnic groups in the country. Vladimir.copic ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:30, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
In not really buying the arguments from AuH2ORepublican or Reywas92. There seems to be no real reason for treating territories differently than states. According to Reywas’ argument regarding Hawaii, surely all governors should be included as they have all technically been minorities (not majorities). Also WP:NOTPAPER so we don’t need to worry about the list being long. Unless you can point me to sources treating this cross-categorisation this way it is by definition OR and POV. This source actually includes territory governors in their list of minority governors (I think this source was used in the AfD). Happy to take this to RfC if we can’t reach a decision here. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 00:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Claridges98: I see that you reverted my edit to the list removing Chris Sununu. Could you please provide a source to indicate that Sununu is a minority (not his father)? You (worryingly imho) indicate that Sununu "by genetics is [...] hispanic" but unless a source indicates this or you have conducted your own genetic testing this does not meet the standards for WP:BLP nor WP:MOSETHNICITY - WP:ETHNO is also a good read. (Aside from the fact his Salvadorian family were immigrants from Lebanon.) Sununu's case was discussed at the recent AfD where editors were at pains to explain we are using the US census definition of race which is a matter of "self-identification" not "genetics". I am reverting the edit until sources are found for this. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 21:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
I'll take this to either RfC or BLP noticeboard then. To quote
WP:ETHNO Use of a socio-political term like "Hispanic" comes down to some combination of subject self-identification, and reliably sourced descriptions of the subject. Wikipedia has no business applying such a label based on who or "what" someone's ancestors were, even their immediate ones (and even if those earlier individuals did thus self-identify). Doing so is, again, patently original research.
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Should Chris Sununu be included in List of minority governors and lieutenant governors in the United States?
Option A: Yes, Chris Sununu should be listed.
Option B: No, Chris Sununu should not be listed.
Note to avoid confusion: This RfC concerns Chris Sununu not John H. Sununu or John E. Sununu (also politicians in the United States). Vladimir.copic ( talk) 23:38, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Pinging editors previously involved in discussions @ AuH2ORepublican, SMcCandlish, Reywas92, Slp1, Thanoscar21, Boys about the town they gonna rock, and Claridges98: Vladimir.copic ( talk) 23:41, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia has no business applying such a label based on who or "what" someone's ancestors were, even their immediate ones (and even if those earlier individuals did thus self-identify). Doing so is, again, patently original research. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 23:44, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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In the RfC above, most of the editors who participated judged, based on the information presented, that it was unsourced that Chris Sununu is Hispanic/Latino, and that an academic source, the Eagleton Institute of Politics, had did not list Sununu as a Hispanic governor. When @ Vladimir.copic: moved to close the vote, I responded as follows:
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Since then, only two editors have commented on the RfC, User:Jayron32 and User:BilledMammal, with the former supporting exclusion and the latter supporting inclusion. None of the other editors who had supported exclusion back when the only academic source listed as a source was the Eagleton Institute report (which, as I stated above, did not list Chris Sununu as Hispanic/Latino) expressed their opinion following the provision of a second academic source ("Keeping the Republic: Power and Citizenship in American Politics, The Essentials"), one that contradicted the Eagleton Institute's report on America's governors.
But another thing has occurred since December 9. I just clicked on the link that User:Vladimir.copic had provided for the Eagleton Institute report, and it has been updated to include Glenn Youngkin as the new governor of Virginia, and to make some other changes to the report. Among the changes is that, after reporting that 47 of the nation's governors are white, there is a footnote that reads as follows:
So, while the Eagleton Institute still does not list Chris Sununu as a Hispanic governor, it did add some nuance to his ethnic classification since this issue was discussed most recently in this Talk page. It seems to me that, given this new information, whether or not there are reliable sources attesting to Chris Sununu's inclusion in an article that purports to list, inter alia, Hispanic/Latino governors of U.S. states is something that needs to be reevaluated. Since most editors expressed their respective opinions on the Talk page, an academic textbook from 2019 specifically mentioning Chris Sununu as a Hispanic governor has been brought to light, and the Eagleton Institute report on which proponents of exclusion had relied now includes much more nuanced information regarding Chris Sununu's Hispanic/Latino ancestry.
Given these facts, I believe that User:Vladimir.copic's deletion of the Chris Sununu entry was premature, and that a consensus needs to be obtained upon review of the sources and information that has come to light more recently. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 21:09, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
We don't need sourcesfor this - suggesting that your final comment did not influence them. On the balance of the discussion and a 10-2 raw vote split, I believe the consensus was clear and the RfC had been left open far too long. I stand by the close - please feel free to challenge it at WP:AN. If you think the consensus has changed you should raise another RfC.
Guys this whole Chris Sununu thing is very confusing. First off, I’ve said it again and I’ll say it now, Hispanic and Latino Americans are an ethnic, not racial category. Also I read into the Eagleton Institute and I know they addressed Chris Sununu. However his father said He considers himself Hispanic, so shouldn’t Chris Sununu be considered Hispanic. I know the Eagleton Institute didn’t consider himself Hispanic, but his OWN FATHER identifies as Hispanic, I feel that’s a more important source to go off of. And seriously how come his biological brother, same ethnicity, be considered Hispanic but not him. So guys I think we should add back Chris Sununu because members of his family consider themselves Hispanic. C’mon guys not to sound mean here and I’m sorry to keep dwelling on it but it is just doesn’t make sense, ya know, and honestly effects the legitimacy of the article. So I think we should add him back but have a note addressing what the Eagleton Institute says. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:C80B:2D00:986D:80FF:DCE2:304F ( talk) 20:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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Should Chris Sununu be included in List of minority governors and lieutenant governors in the United States? This question was already proposed before but a new viewpoint has come to light : https://books.google.com/books?id=fL5kDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT268&lpg=PT268&dq=%22chris+sununu%22+latino&source=bl&ots=bcRHEE5mgH&sig=ACfU3U3Npd-5dirMOAgtF1278LfNVC4XYA&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22chris%20sununu%22%20latino&f=false
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Children in a multiracial family may have different racial identities from one another.
However, this is not to say that any two siblings will ever be 100% the same in either phenotype or ethnic-racial identification ⟨...⟩ For example, many ME-R siblings with the same biological parents self-identify as racially different from each otherVladimir.copic ( talk) 05:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Option B: The VAST, VAST, VAST, majority of sources fail to directly support the notion Chris Sununu is a minority anything. That an extreme minority of sources might indicate otherwise, and/or a WP:SYNTH interpretation of disparate sources, is not sufficient reason for Wikipedia to proclaim anything. The lead text of this list appears designed to invite WP:OR: "an ethnic minority is anyone who has at least one parent who is not of non-Hispanic white descent". It stinks of "a minority is anyone I say they are, even if they don't identify as one, because reasons!" --Animalparty! ( talk) 19:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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The biggest problems with this page that I see are that (1) there are too many entries for the page to be easily navigated, and (2) "ethnic minorities", as the inline template suggests, is WP:SYSTEMICBIAS in putting this page through the perspective of a White American. I think splitting this page can fix both of those issues. Lists of United States Congress#Groups shows that African Americans, LGBT, Jewish, Native American people are split out to their own pages, shouldn't we do that here, too? I propose splitting out an African American and a Native American list. There should also be at least one if not more than one for Hispanics people and AAPI as well. Lmk what you think. – Muboshgu ( talk) 04:33, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Jewish Americans may not be a racial minority, but they are an ethnic minority. Why aren’t they included here? 2600:1700:36EC:1880:9181:C1CD:F45A:CB61 ( talk) 13:00, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
With all due respect, the Nazi Party is the only group that considers members of the Jewish faith -- and non-Jews who have at least one Jewish grandparent -- to be a "race." 2603:800C:3A40:6400:F0C6:97F7:CED3:8F58 ( talk) 21:49, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Tom Gill had a Cuban grandmother. His three other grandparents were non-Hispanic Caucasians. Does having one Cuban grandparent make him "Cuban-American?" 2603:800C:3A40:6400:F0C6:97F7:CED3:8F58 ( talk) 21:46, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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This article needs clarification. Links to election should be removed, as we're showing inaugural years. GoodDay ( talk) 20:34, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Should Sununu really be considered a minority governor, at least not under the category "Cuban American"? His father's family might've been from Cuba, but they had Middle Eastern roots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander Joshua ( talk • contribs) 01:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Governor of Nevada from 1967–71. Son of Basque parents from Spain, so he'd be considered Hispanic. MB298 ( talk) 04:10, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Since Arabs and Middle Easterners are considered white per the U.S. Census, should we include them as minorities? @ Reywas92: I'd like your input on this. If so, there are some others to add:
MB298 ( talk) 20:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Is it just me or is the territorial section a bit silly? I mean almost every single US territory has a non-White majority and thus most of their leaders reflect this demographic. Inter&anthro ( talk) 17:38, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
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The article's introduction currently states that it includes governors and lieutenant governors with at least one parent that is "not of non-Hispanic white descent (such as African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic and Latino Americans, or Native Americans)." For some reason, Arab Americans (Lebanese Americans, Palestinian Americans and Syrian Americans) and non-Arab Middle-Eastern Americans (Assyrian Americans (confusingly listed here as "Syrian Americans") and Persian Americans (listed as Iranian Americans)) are also included despite being members of groups that, with few exceptions, are composed of non-Hispanic whites. (Please note that, while Lebanon, Iran, etc. are in Asia, the term "Asian American," as used in the United States (both officially and colloquially), is limited to South Asians and East Asians.)
Arab and Middle-Eastern Americans are ethnic minorities in the sense that, say, Greek Americans or Jewish Americans are "minorities" in America (if one didn't group them with non-Hispanic whites, then by definition they wouldn't be "in the majority"), but they aren't deemed to be an ethnic minority by the U.S. government and there is no U.S. Census box to check for Arab or Middle-Eastern Americans. For members of such groups to be included in the article, we would need to change the categories for inclusion in the introductory paragraph so as to specifically include Arab and Middle-Eastern Americans.
The question is, do we want to keep Arab and Middle-Eastern Americans in the article? It is true that there is an article on Arab and Middle-Eastern Americans in the U.S. Congress, but then again there are articles on other "minority groups" in Congress such as women and Jewish Americans. I think that we need to develop a consensus before making changes in one direction or the other. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 12:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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I have removed John H. Sununu and Chris Sununu from the list. The list described them as Salvadoran American. The apparent basis for this is that John H. Sununu's mother was born in El Salvador to parents of Lebanese ancestry. Neither Sununu's Wikipedia page identifies him as Salvadoran American, or even as Hispanic. SunCrow ( talk) 23:02, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hello everyone. I was wondering do Sephardic Jews count because even though they are Jewish/Middle Eastern they still have Hispanic ancestry (as well as others). HospitalDinoko3344 ( talk) 17:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Also I would like to name a few. • Franklin J. Moses Jr • George Allen • Washington Bartlett
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I understand what you are trying to say and I agree. But I just want to say that I understand that that it could be a stretch when it comes to Sephardic Jews, but the thing is that People like Johnston Murray and Kevin Stitt are featured. I'm not saying we should take them off, it's just that like you said it could be a stretch to call either of these governors Hispanic since they may have other ancestry as well but since these people probably have Spanish Ancestry due to Sephardic Jews being an admixture Of Middle Eastern l, Iberian, and Other Mediterranean. What I am trying to say is that since Johnston Murray and Kevin Stitt are listed despite having a small amount of ancestry and being mixed how come a Sephardic Jew that most likely has Spanish Ancestry does not. HospitalDinoko3344 ( talk) 18:55, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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I don't want to clog up the AfD page, so can someone here explain to me the inclusion criteria for the Territorial governors list? Preferably with some sourcing treating this cross-categorisation? Currently it looks like this list excludes US ethnic minorities that who come from ethnic groups who are the majority ethnic group in the territory. Also excluded are non-Hispanic whites even if they are an ethnic minority in the territory. Why is this same rationale not applied to Hawaii that has a majority ethnic group that is not non-Hispanic white (which would exclude quite a few entries)? Seems to me that there is some WP:POV picking and choosing for the inclusion criteria. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 04:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Additionally would love an explanation of the Philippines' lieutenant governors here? I don't really think the term 'minority' makes sense in the multi-ethnic context of the Philippines. Visayan and Ilocano are among the larger ethnic groups in the country. Vladimir.copic ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:30, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
In not really buying the arguments from AuH2ORepublican or Reywas92. There seems to be no real reason for treating territories differently than states. According to Reywas’ argument regarding Hawaii, surely all governors should be included as they have all technically been minorities (not majorities). Also WP:NOTPAPER so we don’t need to worry about the list being long. Unless you can point me to sources treating this cross-categorisation this way it is by definition OR and POV. This source actually includes territory governors in their list of minority governors (I think this source was used in the AfD). Happy to take this to RfC if we can’t reach a decision here. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 00:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Claridges98: I see that you reverted my edit to the list removing Chris Sununu. Could you please provide a source to indicate that Sununu is a minority (not his father)? You (worryingly imho) indicate that Sununu "by genetics is [...] hispanic" but unless a source indicates this or you have conducted your own genetic testing this does not meet the standards for WP:BLP nor WP:MOSETHNICITY - WP:ETHNO is also a good read. (Aside from the fact his Salvadorian family were immigrants from Lebanon.) Sununu's case was discussed at the recent AfD where editors were at pains to explain we are using the US census definition of race which is a matter of "self-identification" not "genetics". I am reverting the edit until sources are found for this. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 21:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
I'll take this to either RfC or BLP noticeboard then. To quote
WP:ETHNO Use of a socio-political term like "Hispanic" comes down to some combination of subject self-identification, and reliably sourced descriptions of the subject. Wikipedia has no business applying such a label based on who or "what" someone's ancestors were, even their immediate ones (and even if those earlier individuals did thus self-identify). Doing so is, again, patently original research.
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Should Chris Sununu be included in List of minority governors and lieutenant governors in the United States?
Option A: Yes, Chris Sununu should be listed.
Option B: No, Chris Sununu should not be listed.
Note to avoid confusion: This RfC concerns Chris Sununu not John H. Sununu or John E. Sununu (also politicians in the United States). Vladimir.copic ( talk) 23:38, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Pinging editors previously involved in discussions @ AuH2ORepublican, SMcCandlish, Reywas92, Slp1, Thanoscar21, Boys about the town they gonna rock, and Claridges98: Vladimir.copic ( talk) 23:41, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia has no business applying such a label based on who or "what" someone's ancestors were, even their immediate ones (and even if those earlier individuals did thus self-identify). Doing so is, again, patently original research. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 23:44, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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In the RfC above, most of the editors who participated judged, based on the information presented, that it was unsourced that Chris Sununu is Hispanic/Latino, and that an academic source, the Eagleton Institute of Politics, had did not list Sununu as a Hispanic governor. When @ Vladimir.copic: moved to close the vote, I responded as follows:
Following that, User:Vladimir.copic responded as follows:
Since then, only two editors have commented on the RfC, User:Jayron32 and User:BilledMammal, with the former supporting exclusion and the latter supporting inclusion. None of the other editors who had supported exclusion back when the only academic source listed as a source was the Eagleton Institute report (which, as I stated above, did not list Chris Sununu as Hispanic/Latino) expressed their opinion following the provision of a second academic source ("Keeping the Republic: Power and Citizenship in American Politics, The Essentials"), one that contradicted the Eagleton Institute's report on America's governors.
But another thing has occurred since December 9. I just clicked on the link that User:Vladimir.copic had provided for the Eagleton Institute report, and it has been updated to include Glenn Youngkin as the new governor of Virginia, and to make some other changes to the report. Among the changes is that, after reporting that 47 of the nation's governors are white, there is a footnote that reads as follows:
So, while the Eagleton Institute still does not list Chris Sununu as a Hispanic governor, it did add some nuance to his ethnic classification since this issue was discussed most recently in this Talk page. It seems to me that, given this new information, whether or not there are reliable sources attesting to Chris Sununu's inclusion in an article that purports to list, inter alia, Hispanic/Latino governors of U.S. states is something that needs to be reevaluated. Since most editors expressed their respective opinions on the Talk page, an academic textbook from 2019 specifically mentioning Chris Sununu as a Hispanic governor has been brought to light, and the Eagleton Institute report on which proponents of exclusion had relied now includes much more nuanced information regarding Chris Sununu's Hispanic/Latino ancestry.
Given these facts, I believe that User:Vladimir.copic's deletion of the Chris Sununu entry was premature, and that a consensus needs to be obtained upon review of the sources and information that has come to light more recently. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 21:09, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
We don't need sourcesfor this - suggesting that your final comment did not influence them. On the balance of the discussion and a 10-2 raw vote split, I believe the consensus was clear and the RfC had been left open far too long. I stand by the close - please feel free to challenge it at WP:AN. If you think the consensus has changed you should raise another RfC.
Guys this whole Chris Sununu thing is very confusing. First off, I’ve said it again and I’ll say it now, Hispanic and Latino Americans are an ethnic, not racial category. Also I read into the Eagleton Institute and I know they addressed Chris Sununu. However his father said He considers himself Hispanic, so shouldn’t Chris Sununu be considered Hispanic. I know the Eagleton Institute didn’t consider himself Hispanic, but his OWN FATHER identifies as Hispanic, I feel that’s a more important source to go off of. And seriously how come his biological brother, same ethnicity, be considered Hispanic but not him. So guys I think we should add back Chris Sununu because members of his family consider themselves Hispanic. C’mon guys not to sound mean here and I’m sorry to keep dwelling on it but it is just doesn’t make sense, ya know, and honestly effects the legitimacy of the article. So I think we should add him back but have a note addressing what the Eagleton Institute says. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:C80B:2D00:986D:80FF:DCE2:304F ( talk) 20:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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Should Chris Sununu be included in List of minority governors and lieutenant governors in the United States? This question was already proposed before but a new viewpoint has come to light : https://books.google.com/books?id=fL5kDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT268&lpg=PT268&dq=%22chris+sununu%22+latino&source=bl&ots=bcRHEE5mgH&sig=ACfU3U3Npd-5dirMOAgtF1278LfNVC4XYA&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22chris%20sununu%22%20latino&f=false
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Children in a multiracial family may have different racial identities from one another.
However, this is not to say that any two siblings will ever be 100% the same in either phenotype or ethnic-racial identification ⟨...⟩ For example, many ME-R siblings with the same biological parents self-identify as racially different from each otherVladimir.copic ( talk) 05:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Option B: The VAST, VAST, VAST, majority of sources fail to directly support the notion Chris Sununu is a minority anything. That an extreme minority of sources might indicate otherwise, and/or a WP:SYNTH interpretation of disparate sources, is not sufficient reason for Wikipedia to proclaim anything. The lead text of this list appears designed to invite WP:OR: "an ethnic minority is anyone who has at least one parent who is not of non-Hispanic white descent". It stinks of "a minority is anyone I say they are, even if they don't identify as one, because reasons!" --Animalparty! ( talk) 19:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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The biggest problems with this page that I see are that (1) there are too many entries for the page to be easily navigated, and (2) "ethnic minorities", as the inline template suggests, is WP:SYSTEMICBIAS in putting this page through the perspective of a White American. I think splitting this page can fix both of those issues. Lists of United States Congress#Groups shows that African Americans, LGBT, Jewish, Native American people are split out to their own pages, shouldn't we do that here, too? I propose splitting out an African American and a Native American list. There should also be at least one if not more than one for Hispanics people and AAPI as well. Lmk what you think. – Muboshgu ( talk) 04:33, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Jewish Americans may not be a racial minority, but they are an ethnic minority. Why aren’t they included here? 2600:1700:36EC:1880:9181:C1CD:F45A:CB61 ( talk) 13:00, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
With all due respect, the Nazi Party is the only group that considers members of the Jewish faith -- and non-Jews who have at least one Jewish grandparent -- to be a "race." 2603:800C:3A40:6400:F0C6:97F7:CED3:8F58 ( talk) 21:49, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Tom Gill had a Cuban grandmother. His three other grandparents were non-Hispanic Caucasians. Does having one Cuban grandparent make him "Cuban-American?" 2603:800C:3A40:6400:F0C6:97F7:CED3:8F58 ( talk) 21:46, 12 December 2023 (UTC)