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There are many theories that many celebrities were assassinated by conspirators : Marilyn Monroe, Michael Jackson, Bruce Lee,Whitney Houston, Tupac Shakur, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon, Bob Marley, Jim Morrison, Notorious BIG, Paul Walker, Chester Bennington. 17:53, 19.02.2020 (UTC)
Does the section about the new england patriots really belong here haha
on a cursory read i think there are several major issues with the "racism" section here.
- the only two races that are mentioned are white people and black people (primarily from the US). surely these are not the only ethnic groups about which conspiracy theories exist
- the presentation not only gives equal weight to the incredibly popular and influential conspiracy theory of white genocide and other, relatively fringe topics, but actually gives it less weight (2 sentences about it, with no real summary of its origin, widespread promotion, and consequences beyond a single poll, versus 3 whole paragraphs on ostensible anti-white conspiracy theories by black people)
- "Some Rastafari maintain that a white racist patriarchy ("Babylon") controls the world to oppress black people." it's not at all immediately obvious why the idea that the world is dominated by racist patriarchy should be considered unfounded or conspiratorial, and the source given for this is what appears to be a 14-year-old post on a very small archived personal blog. the claims about selassie are at least sourced to a BBC article, but the article presents 2 different claims: that in the aftermath of his death, some of his followers refused to accept it (it's not clear who or under exactly what circumstances), and that some made religious/spiritual claims about him being "immortal" in the sense of being an agent of god (almost every major religion believes in similar spiritual agents, but, for example, jesus isn't listed here). again, why should this be given similar weight to a very well-documented conspiracy theory like white genocide?
- the section on "the plan" can be criticized for the same reasons of undue weight. one of the sources concludes like this: "So does The Plan exist? I don’t know. Does gentrification exist? Most certainly. One is a real process that has taken place across the country, and that has real economic and social forces behind it. The other is a theory. Without compelling evidence, or any kind of paper trail or history, it’s hard to look at The Plan as anything other than a rumor; one which happened to have come true." from the source's description, it seems to be the idea that a real event of gentrification was intentionally planned, which couldn't be conclusively proven and was widely dismissed. i couldn't access the final source to see the reason for this, but we can't claim that it was widely dismissed regardless of race and "may have widespread quiet credence" among black people at the same time- if the last source claims this it's in direct contradiction with the other. again, why is this small theory widely dismissed in a single city presented as on par with the significantly popular belief among white communities worldwide in a white genocide, historically rooted in eugenics and nazi germany? what might the implications be of presenting black people as especially unreasonable on the question of gentrification, with no equivalent scale of evidence?
- the blanket labeling of black genocide as a conspiracy theory doesn't accord with the actual linked article, which only says that some arguments for its existence have been described as conspiratorial. the dispute over whether well-established historical crimes committed by white people against black people should be considered as genocide shouldn't be conflated with the claim that birth control and abortion are a conspiracy by white people against black people. mentioning malcolm x's charge of black genocide right before saying "some" black militants characterized abortion as genocide feeds this conflation, because it isn't at all clear that abortion is what the majority of genocide claims refer to
LarstonMarston ( talk) 03:07, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- You're definitely right about the plan, at least as sourced to skeptoid blog. Take it to the RS board if you disagree. Central and Adams ( talk) 03:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- i removed the section on rastafari entirely because it was badly sourced and only cited a passing mention of disbelief in selassie's death, while implying that belief in racist patriarchy is inherently conspiratorial. if there are better sources with more information on the same topic it could be added back LarstonMarston ( talk) 03:56, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- i think i was able to improve the black genocide section significantly and distinguish the arguments seen as conspiratorial. the main thing i'd like to do now is just expand on the history & nature of the white genocide conspiracy theory LarstonMarston ( talk) 04:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Why is the idea that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered in a lab a conspiracy theory?
Who’s facts decided that it wasn’t engineered in lab and to say so is a conspiracy theory?
No matter who made the decision that SARS-CoV-2 didn’t come from a lab, there is enough uncertainty about the viruses origins that neither the lab leak or wet market theory should be considered a conspiracy theory. WhowinsIwins ( talk) 21:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's now accepted science that SARS-CoV-2 came from bats, owing to the genetic similarity between it and other viruses affecting bats which are already known to science. The actual transmission seems to have come by way of another mammalian species, such as the pangolin. Bats and (e.g.) pangolins don't associate in Nature, so anywhere such species might come into mutual contact (such as wet markets, or if not them then poorly regulated supermarkets) has to be the chief suspect. That this virus, which evolved to affect bats (and only bats) should also prove harmful to humans, is an example of the randomizing effect of genetic mutation.
- Nuttyskin ( talk) 17:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
QAnon conspiracy advocates are suggesting that a sudden increase in seismic activity notably the tristate earthquake and the more severe one in Taiwan were a result of harmonic tremor caused by a micro black hole orbiting just under the Earth's crust affecting the tectonic plates. Though this has not officially been debunked yet is is so ridiculous given what we know about black holes that it is almost certainly false. The argument given seems to be that the latitude of both quakes is nearly identical suggesting an East-West rotation of the MBH. Gravitational wave data would be an effective way to refute this, however it is not clear if LIGO or other detectors can sense such high frequency waves. [1] note: this hypothesis was refuted not long after the article was published. 91.190.161.160 ( talk) 18:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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- How is this a conspiracy theory? Slatersteven ( talk) 19:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'd imagine scientists would be given the blame of concealing this from us, because of their well-established status with conspiracist circles as spreaders of lies. Probably this is why no obvious scapegoat is named in the original mention of the story.
- Nuttyskin ( talk) 18:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
I was surprised that Trump's Big Lie and Democrats believing the Trump collusion conspiracy aren't listed here. Donald Trump appears to be a rather prominent conduit for conspiracy theories, either promoted by him or denied by him. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 23:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Would you like to create such content?
Trump's Big Lie, aka the "stolen election conspiracy theory", is a huge MAGA belief. --
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- I wouldn't mind giving it a go, but I started this section because I was curious if there is some reason I'm not aware of (policy-based, community-based, whatever) why such obvious examples wouldn't be listed here.
- Perhaps it's like
list of common misconceptions, for which the hatnote says right at the top that the article will never be complete. Perhaps a similar hatnote here is in order. ~
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- I don't see any reason why the Donald Trump "big lie" conspiracy theory = Donald Trump "stolen election" conspiracy theory wouldn't qualify for mention here. It's a huge one covered by several articles. (I've never seen RS seriously documenting your other suggestion as a "conspiracy theory" as it's just a right-wing focus on the words "conspiracy" and "coordination" while they ignore all the proven cooperation and collusion, with even some evidence of elements of coordination by Manafort and Stone.) Otherwise, all articles here are works in progress and never truly finished. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 19:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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There are many theories that many celebrities were assassinated by conspirators : Marilyn Monroe, Michael Jackson, Bruce Lee,Whitney Houston, Tupac Shakur, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon, Bob Marley, Jim Morrison, Notorious BIG, Paul Walker, Chester Bennington. 17:53, 19.02.2020 (UTC)
Does the section about the new england patriots really belong here haha
on a cursory read i think there are several major issues with the "racism" section here.
- the only two races that are mentioned are white people and black people (primarily from the US). surely these are not the only ethnic groups about which conspiracy theories exist
- the presentation not only gives equal weight to the incredibly popular and influential conspiracy theory of white genocide and other, relatively fringe topics, but actually gives it less weight (2 sentences about it, with no real summary of its origin, widespread promotion, and consequences beyond a single poll, versus 3 whole paragraphs on ostensible anti-white conspiracy theories by black people)
- "Some Rastafari maintain that a white racist patriarchy ("Babylon") controls the world to oppress black people." it's not at all immediately obvious why the idea that the world is dominated by racist patriarchy should be considered unfounded or conspiratorial, and the source given for this is what appears to be a 14-year-old post on a very small archived personal blog. the claims about selassie are at least sourced to a BBC article, but the article presents 2 different claims: that in the aftermath of his death, some of his followers refused to accept it (it's not clear who or under exactly what circumstances), and that some made religious/spiritual claims about him being "immortal" in the sense of being an agent of god (almost every major religion believes in similar spiritual agents, but, for example, jesus isn't listed here). again, why should this be given similar weight to a very well-documented conspiracy theory like white genocide?
- the section on "the plan" can be criticized for the same reasons of undue weight. one of the sources concludes like this: "So does The Plan exist? I don’t know. Does gentrification exist? Most certainly. One is a real process that has taken place across the country, and that has real economic and social forces behind it. The other is a theory. Without compelling evidence, or any kind of paper trail or history, it’s hard to look at The Plan as anything other than a rumor; one which happened to have come true." from the source's description, it seems to be the idea that a real event of gentrification was intentionally planned, which couldn't be conclusively proven and was widely dismissed. i couldn't access the final source to see the reason for this, but we can't claim that it was widely dismissed regardless of race and "may have widespread quiet credence" among black people at the same time- if the last source claims this it's in direct contradiction with the other. again, why is this small theory widely dismissed in a single city presented as on par with the significantly popular belief among white communities worldwide in a white genocide, historically rooted in eugenics and nazi germany? what might the implications be of presenting black people as especially unreasonable on the question of gentrification, with no equivalent scale of evidence?
- the blanket labeling of black genocide as a conspiracy theory doesn't accord with the actual linked article, which only says that some arguments for its existence have been described as conspiratorial. the dispute over whether well-established historical crimes committed by white people against black people should be considered as genocide shouldn't be conflated with the claim that birth control and abortion are a conspiracy by white people against black people. mentioning malcolm x's charge of black genocide right before saying "some" black militants characterized abortion as genocide feeds this conflation, because it isn't at all clear that abortion is what the majority of genocide claims refer to
LarstonMarston ( talk) 03:07, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- You're definitely right about the plan, at least as sourced to skeptoid blog. Take it to the RS board if you disagree. Central and Adams ( talk) 03:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- i removed the section on rastafari entirely because it was badly sourced and only cited a passing mention of disbelief in selassie's death, while implying that belief in racist patriarchy is inherently conspiratorial. if there are better sources with more information on the same topic it could be added back LarstonMarston ( talk) 03:56, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- i think i was able to improve the black genocide section significantly and distinguish the arguments seen as conspiratorial. the main thing i'd like to do now is just expand on the history & nature of the white genocide conspiracy theory LarstonMarston ( talk) 04:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Why is the idea that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered in a lab a conspiracy theory?
Who’s facts decided that it wasn’t engineered in lab and to say so is a conspiracy theory?
No matter who made the decision that SARS-CoV-2 didn’t come from a lab, there is enough uncertainty about the viruses origins that neither the lab leak or wet market theory should be considered a conspiracy theory. WhowinsIwins ( talk) 21:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's now accepted science that SARS-CoV-2 came from bats, owing to the genetic similarity between it and other viruses affecting bats which are already known to science. The actual transmission seems to have come by way of another mammalian species, such as the pangolin. Bats and (e.g.) pangolins don't associate in Nature, so anywhere such species might come into mutual contact (such as wet markets, or if not them then poorly regulated supermarkets) has to be the chief suspect. That this virus, which evolved to affect bats (and only bats) should also prove harmful to humans, is an example of the randomizing effect of genetic mutation.
- Nuttyskin ( talk) 17:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
QAnon conspiracy advocates are suggesting that a sudden increase in seismic activity notably the tristate earthquake and the more severe one in Taiwan were a result of harmonic tremor caused by a micro black hole orbiting just under the Earth's crust affecting the tectonic plates. Though this has not officially been debunked yet is is so ridiculous given what we know about black holes that it is almost certainly false. The argument given seems to be that the latitude of both quakes is nearly identical suggesting an East-West rotation of the MBH. Gravitational wave data would be an effective way to refute this, however it is not clear if LIGO or other detectors can sense such high frequency waves. [1] note: this hypothesis was refuted not long after the article was published. 91.190.161.160 ( talk) 18:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
References
- How is this a conspiracy theory? Slatersteven ( talk) 19:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'd imagine scientists would be given the blame of concealing this from us, because of their well-established status with conspiracist circles as spreaders of lies. Probably this is why no obvious scapegoat is named in the original mention of the story.
- Nuttyskin ( talk) 18:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
I was surprised that Trump's Big Lie and Democrats believing the Trump collusion conspiracy aren't listed here. Donald Trump appears to be a rather prominent conduit for conspiracy theories, either promoted by him or denied by him. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 23:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Would you like to create such content?
Trump's Big Lie, aka the "stolen election conspiracy theory", is a huge MAGA belief. --
Valjean (
talk) (
PING me) 00:19, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't mind giving it a go, but I started this section because I was curious if there is some reason I'm not aware of (policy-based, community-based, whatever) why such obvious examples wouldn't be listed here.
- Perhaps it's like
list of common misconceptions, for which the hatnote says right at the top that the article will never be complete. Perhaps a similar hatnote here is in order. ~
Anachronist (
talk) 18:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see any reason why the Donald Trump "big lie" conspiracy theory = Donald Trump "stolen election" conspiracy theory wouldn't qualify for mention here. It's a huge one covered by several articles. (I've never seen RS seriously documenting your other suggestion as a "conspiracy theory" as it's just a right-wing focus on the words "conspiracy" and "coordination" while they ignore all the proven cooperation and collusion, with even some evidence of elements of coordination by Manafort and Stone.) Otherwise, all articles here are works in progress and never truly finished. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 19:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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