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Recently, I can across an article from earlier this year (which you see here) that said Hostess has come out with a new cake called Kazabars. The article says: "It contains layers of chocolate cake, crème, crunchy candy bits, and either caramel or chocolate fudge, coated in an exterior layer of more chocolate." One would think it would qualify as a chocolate bar. Thoughts? Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 00:31, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
I have read the "inclusion criteria" discussion above but did not see anything on "percent chocolate content". I raise this point because I recently ate a Churro flavored Kit Kat which is listed in the table, but it contains "less than 2% chocolate" and is certainly not "enrobed in milk chocolate" as described in the table. Here are the ingredients as listed on the Churro Kit Kat wrapper with bold text added:
Sugar, vegetable oil (palm oil, shea oil, sunflower oil, palm kernel oil, &/or safflower oil), wheat flour, skim milk, corn syrup solids, lactose (milk), contains 2% or less of: chocolate, lecithin (soy), natural & artificial flavor, artificial color (yellow 6 lake, yellow 5 lake, blue 2 lake, red 40 lake), pgpr, salt, yeast, baking soda.
Question: Does Churro flavored Kit Kat qualify for listing as a chocolate bar? Woodlot ( talk) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
So, discussion on this from like a year ago, didn't really reach a clear consensus, AfD isn't really the right place for this. Does anyone want to give a go as to what the options actually are? I'm going to go BOLDly remove from the lead "variants", though I don't intend to make any changes to the actual list unless actual positive consensus arises to make those removals there as well. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 13:06, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Seems like certain criteria are needed for what constitutes a "chocolate bar", and chocolate or cocoa content should be one of those criteria. However, determining the chocolate content as a criterion for inclusion in the article may not be possible for all "chocolate bars". For example, I tend to think of the Baby Ruth bar as chocolate; yet, when viewing the "Ingredients" on the wrapper, I see that chocolate (Cocoa) is rather far down on the list which implies decreasing content of cocoa relative to other ingredients, with no percentage given for actual cocoa content.
Baby Ruth Ingredients:
Sugar, roasted peanuts, corn syrup, hydrogenated palm kernel and coconut oil, nonfat milk, high fructose corn syrup, cocoa, and less than 1% of glycerin, dextrose, whey, salt, artificial and natural flavors, soy lecithin, soybean oil, carrageenan, TBHQ and citric acid (to preserve freshness), lactic acid esters. CONTAINS: Peanut, milk and soy ingredients.
Similarly, I consider a Heath bar to be a chocolate bar; but in fact, it contains 2% or less chocolate & cocoa, according to ingredients listed on the wrapper.
Heath Bar ingredients:
Sugar, vegetable oil (palm oil, shea oil, sunflower oil, &/or safflower oil), dairy butter (milk), almonds, lactose (milk), reduced protein whey (milk), Contains 2% or less of: chocolate, skim milk, cocoa, cocoa processed with alkali, salt, lecithin (soy), natural flavor. Contains: Almonds, Milk, Soy. Gluten Free.
I noticed that Mr. C.C. deleted "Gold Brick egg" from the list, not because it lacks chocolate, but because of its egg-shape. Puzzling, when inclusion criteria in the header for the article specifically states: "... A chocolate bar, also known as a candy bar in American English, is a confection in an oblong or rectangular form..." Not trying to be nitpicky, but most egg shapes are oblong, and the two terms are often used interchangeably in common speech.
In the end, inclusion of a "Candy Bar" on a list of "Chocolate Bars" may come down to Justice Potter Stewart's standard for defining obscenity – I know it when I see it, but using that standard here would seem to violate Wikipedia's policy of No original research. Woodlot ( talk) 14:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
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Recently, I can across an article from earlier this year (which you see here) that said Hostess has come out with a new cake called Kazabars. The article says: "It contains layers of chocolate cake, crème, crunchy candy bits, and either caramel or chocolate fudge, coated in an exterior layer of more chocolate." One would think it would qualify as a chocolate bar. Thoughts? Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 00:31, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
I have read the "inclusion criteria" discussion above but did not see anything on "percent chocolate content". I raise this point because I recently ate a Churro flavored Kit Kat which is listed in the table, but it contains "less than 2% chocolate" and is certainly not "enrobed in milk chocolate" as described in the table. Here are the ingredients as listed on the Churro Kit Kat wrapper with bold text added:
Sugar, vegetable oil (palm oil, shea oil, sunflower oil, palm kernel oil, &/or safflower oil), wheat flour, skim milk, corn syrup solids, lactose (milk), contains 2% or less of: chocolate, lecithin (soy), natural & artificial flavor, artificial color (yellow 6 lake, yellow 5 lake, blue 2 lake, red 40 lake), pgpr, salt, yeast, baking soda.
Question: Does Churro flavored Kit Kat qualify for listing as a chocolate bar? Woodlot ( talk) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
So, discussion on this from like a year ago, didn't really reach a clear consensus, AfD isn't really the right place for this. Does anyone want to give a go as to what the options actually are? I'm going to go BOLDly remove from the lead "variants", though I don't intend to make any changes to the actual list unless actual positive consensus arises to make those removals there as well. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 13:06, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Seems like certain criteria are needed for what constitutes a "chocolate bar", and chocolate or cocoa content should be one of those criteria. However, determining the chocolate content as a criterion for inclusion in the article may not be possible for all "chocolate bars". For example, I tend to think of the Baby Ruth bar as chocolate; yet, when viewing the "Ingredients" on the wrapper, I see that chocolate (Cocoa) is rather far down on the list which implies decreasing content of cocoa relative to other ingredients, with no percentage given for actual cocoa content.
Baby Ruth Ingredients:
Sugar, roasted peanuts, corn syrup, hydrogenated palm kernel and coconut oil, nonfat milk, high fructose corn syrup, cocoa, and less than 1% of glycerin, dextrose, whey, salt, artificial and natural flavors, soy lecithin, soybean oil, carrageenan, TBHQ and citric acid (to preserve freshness), lactic acid esters. CONTAINS: Peanut, milk and soy ingredients.
Similarly, I consider a Heath bar to be a chocolate bar; but in fact, it contains 2% or less chocolate & cocoa, according to ingredients listed on the wrapper.
Heath Bar ingredients:
Sugar, vegetable oil (palm oil, shea oil, sunflower oil, &/or safflower oil), dairy butter (milk), almonds, lactose (milk), reduced protein whey (milk), Contains 2% or less of: chocolate, skim milk, cocoa, cocoa processed with alkali, salt, lecithin (soy), natural flavor. Contains: Almonds, Milk, Soy. Gluten Free.
I noticed that Mr. C.C. deleted "Gold Brick egg" from the list, not because it lacks chocolate, but because of its egg-shape. Puzzling, when inclusion criteria in the header for the article specifically states: "... A chocolate bar, also known as a candy bar in American English, is a confection in an oblong or rectangular form..." Not trying to be nitpicky, but most egg shapes are oblong, and the two terms are often used interchangeably in common speech.
In the end, inclusion of a "Candy Bar" on a list of "Chocolate Bars" may come down to Justice Potter Stewart's standard for defining obscenity – I know it when I see it, but using that standard here would seem to violate Wikipedia's policy of No original research. Woodlot ( talk) 14:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)