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Note: and article with this name was deleted as a result of this AfD in 2005. Rich Farmbrough, 23:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC).
Google books - are they really the publishers when they provide an online image of a physical book? Rich Farmbrough, 23:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC).
This is a split of another article, not a re-insertion of the material previously deleted here, although there may be commonality. AfD would be sensible if deletion is proposed. Rich Farmbrough, 15:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC).
The introduction is currently a list of books including one "book" twice under different titles. There is already a book list at the bottom of the page. Adjectives should be minimised such as extensively. The introduction would be better to cover the rationale for players being in the list. Perhaps something like this would be a better balance:
There have been many great Jewish chess players in History including the first chess world champion Wilhelm Steinitz #ref. Jewish chess players have also been influential in the development of chess theory such as Hypermodernism#ref. The Museum of Jewish Heritage is developing a special gallery dedicated to Jews in sport and chess including Garry Kasparov, Mikhail Tal, and Judith Polgar.#ref
According to Harold U. Ribalow in his book "The Great Jewish Chess Champions" a Jewish chess player is "???" #ref. The players listed below meet the following criteria... Tetron76 ( talk) 09:40, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
In the end this is a question of faith.
And if everyone should be free to believe in what one suits best, one is surely free to clearly state that he doesn't want to be included. Fischer's stance about being called Jewish is very well known. - Is the list maintainer the one to tell a dead person that person's faith? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.136.55 ( talk) 08:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Wtf Bobby Fischer would hate the man that mad ethis list. He was a convinced national socialist. Who cares if he had a jewish mother he still hated judaism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.195.55 ( talk) 18:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Ethnically Jewish by genealogical lineage is key here. Not religious belief. Bobby Fischer's genes don't care what he would have liked. His parents were two Jews. I hope this settles your concern. It is not misinformation; check up Wikipedia's entry on on him in the section about Paul Nemenyi as Fischer's father. I think you will need to stop the foul language and come to terms with this. Thank you for allowing me to talk. S. Kossin ( talk) 03:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
That's ridiculous, Judaism is defined by tradition by Wikipedia itself. Even if most Jews are genetically similar, there is no objective criteria to call someone a Jew or not based on genetics. If someone is 40% Jewish and 30% Eastern European and 30% Scandinavian. Is that person genetically a Jew? Technically speaking they are mostly not-Jewish. But at the same time their biggest genetic ancestry is Jewish. So what's the criteria to be "genetically Jewish"? over 80%? Over 50%? 40%? 20%? It's completely arbitrary. If people want to colloquially talk about "genetic Jews" that's fine, but in Wikipedia you HAVE to be objective. Human defined ethnic identities do not correlate with genetics. So the only system that makes sense is self identification, especially when we are talking about a religion.-- KameloCasto ( talk) 00:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
List of Jewish Chess Players: Not a question Faith but genealogical ETHNICITY. Most Jews are not observant; many are atheists. Faith is not what people want to know when asking if Fischer was a Jew. (This is a reply to the first comment.)
S. Kossin (
talk) 03:38, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
A very big portion of this list includes people who are only partially Jewish,like Kasparov and Fischer. Why doesnt the article mention this under there names? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.3.79 ( talk) 01:50, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I would like to make a correction. Someone here referred to Fischer as half-Jewish. Evidence published in 2009 has shown that Bobby Fischer was born to two Jews. Research done by the FBI in the Soviet era concluded that his true biological father was Paul Nemenyi, a hungarian Jew. Fiscer was aware of who his true father was but didn't want to publicize this. Both of his parents were Jews so he is fully Jewish Ethnically. (All of this information is found in the related articles referenced in Wikipedia's entry on Bobby Fischer.) S. Kossin ( talk) 03:23, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Inevitably, people who can't cope with reality try to deny Kasparov's ethnicity. Kasparov has never repudiated his Jewish ethnicity, so the statement "to regard Kasparov as Jewish when he has publicly claimed the opposite" is irrelevant and erroneous. Spare WP from your POV pushing. Toccata quarta ( talk) 20:24, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Why is this irrelevant article up if it was voted "delete" in 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.29.166.18 ( talk) 17:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Why is this article still here? It was approved for deletion in 2005. One comment from the 2005 Request for deletion: The faith of none of these people had a bearing on their career as chess players, and using lists such as these to boost ethnic pride is contrary to the principle of neutrality central to Wikipedia.
The article "List of Muslim Athletes" was deleted in about the same time period. I am considering submitting a request for deletion. Comments Seki1949 ( talk) 00:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Why is this article still here?See /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Jewish_chess_players_(2nd_nomination) from a year ago.
The article "List of Muslim Athletes" was deleted in about the same time period.See WP:OTHERSTUFF.
I am considering submitting a request for deletion.That is your prerogative. Le Marteau ( talk) 03:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Anybody who claims that Zukertort was Jewish is spreading fascist race theory.-- 2A02:8388:8180:B000:2DC8:3FD9:33AE:35C7 ( talk) 11:39, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I think if someone was Jewish at various periods in time, it is notable. For example, that Steinitz and Lasker were Jews is despite significant discrimination. And certainly in Europe pre-ww2 and during, very significant since many chess masters were murdered and others were driven from their countries and/or prevented from playing. So tournaments in Germany and occupied countries would "mysteriously" lack some very strong players -- often Jews. But if someone was born after, say, 1980, almost anywhere, is religion/ethnicity something to include? I mean any ethnicity, not just Jewish (if u want to call it an ethnicity. 50.230.251.244 ( talk) 04:54, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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Note: and article with this name was deleted as a result of this AfD in 2005. Rich Farmbrough, 23:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC).
Google books - are they really the publishers when they provide an online image of a physical book? Rich Farmbrough, 23:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC).
This is a split of another article, not a re-insertion of the material previously deleted here, although there may be commonality. AfD would be sensible if deletion is proposed. Rich Farmbrough, 15:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC).
The introduction is currently a list of books including one "book" twice under different titles. There is already a book list at the bottom of the page. Adjectives should be minimised such as extensively. The introduction would be better to cover the rationale for players being in the list. Perhaps something like this would be a better balance:
There have been many great Jewish chess players in History including the first chess world champion Wilhelm Steinitz #ref. Jewish chess players have also been influential in the development of chess theory such as Hypermodernism#ref. The Museum of Jewish Heritage is developing a special gallery dedicated to Jews in sport and chess including Garry Kasparov, Mikhail Tal, and Judith Polgar.#ref
According to Harold U. Ribalow in his book "The Great Jewish Chess Champions" a Jewish chess player is "???" #ref. The players listed below meet the following criteria... Tetron76 ( talk) 09:40, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
In the end this is a question of faith.
And if everyone should be free to believe in what one suits best, one is surely free to clearly state that he doesn't want to be included. Fischer's stance about being called Jewish is very well known. - Is the list maintainer the one to tell a dead person that person's faith? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.136.55 ( talk) 08:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Wtf Bobby Fischer would hate the man that mad ethis list. He was a convinced national socialist. Who cares if he had a jewish mother he still hated judaism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.195.55 ( talk) 18:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Ethnically Jewish by genealogical lineage is key here. Not religious belief. Bobby Fischer's genes don't care what he would have liked. His parents were two Jews. I hope this settles your concern. It is not misinformation; check up Wikipedia's entry on on him in the section about Paul Nemenyi as Fischer's father. I think you will need to stop the foul language and come to terms with this. Thank you for allowing me to talk. S. Kossin ( talk) 03:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
That's ridiculous, Judaism is defined by tradition by Wikipedia itself. Even if most Jews are genetically similar, there is no objective criteria to call someone a Jew or not based on genetics. If someone is 40% Jewish and 30% Eastern European and 30% Scandinavian. Is that person genetically a Jew? Technically speaking they are mostly not-Jewish. But at the same time their biggest genetic ancestry is Jewish. So what's the criteria to be "genetically Jewish"? over 80%? Over 50%? 40%? 20%? It's completely arbitrary. If people want to colloquially talk about "genetic Jews" that's fine, but in Wikipedia you HAVE to be objective. Human defined ethnic identities do not correlate with genetics. So the only system that makes sense is self identification, especially when we are talking about a religion.-- KameloCasto ( talk) 00:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
List of Jewish Chess Players: Not a question Faith but genealogical ETHNICITY. Most Jews are not observant; many are atheists. Faith is not what people want to know when asking if Fischer was a Jew. (This is a reply to the first comment.)
S. Kossin (
talk) 03:38, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
A very big portion of this list includes people who are only partially Jewish,like Kasparov and Fischer. Why doesnt the article mention this under there names? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.3.79 ( talk) 01:50, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I would like to make a correction. Someone here referred to Fischer as half-Jewish. Evidence published in 2009 has shown that Bobby Fischer was born to two Jews. Research done by the FBI in the Soviet era concluded that his true biological father was Paul Nemenyi, a hungarian Jew. Fiscer was aware of who his true father was but didn't want to publicize this. Both of his parents were Jews so he is fully Jewish Ethnically. (All of this information is found in the related articles referenced in Wikipedia's entry on Bobby Fischer.) S. Kossin ( talk) 03:23, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Inevitably, people who can't cope with reality try to deny Kasparov's ethnicity. Kasparov has never repudiated his Jewish ethnicity, so the statement "to regard Kasparov as Jewish when he has publicly claimed the opposite" is irrelevant and erroneous. Spare WP from your POV pushing. Toccata quarta ( talk) 20:24, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Why is this irrelevant article up if it was voted "delete" in 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.29.166.18 ( talk) 17:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Why is this article still here? It was approved for deletion in 2005. One comment from the 2005 Request for deletion: The faith of none of these people had a bearing on their career as chess players, and using lists such as these to boost ethnic pride is contrary to the principle of neutrality central to Wikipedia.
The article "List of Muslim Athletes" was deleted in about the same time period. I am considering submitting a request for deletion. Comments Seki1949 ( talk) 00:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Why is this article still here?See /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Jewish_chess_players_(2nd_nomination) from a year ago.
The article "List of Muslim Athletes" was deleted in about the same time period.See WP:OTHERSTUFF.
I am considering submitting a request for deletion.That is your prerogative. Le Marteau ( talk) 03:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Anybody who claims that Zukertort was Jewish is spreading fascist race theory.-- 2A02:8388:8180:B000:2DC8:3FD9:33AE:35C7 ( talk) 11:39, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I think if someone was Jewish at various periods in time, it is notable. For example, that Steinitz and Lasker were Jews is despite significant discrimination. And certainly in Europe pre-ww2 and during, very significant since many chess masters were murdered and others were driven from their countries and/or prevented from playing. So tournaments in Germany and occupied countries would "mysteriously" lack some very strong players -- often Jews. But if someone was born after, say, 1980, almost anywhere, is religion/ethnicity something to include? I mean any ethnicity, not just Jewish (if u want to call it an ethnicity. 50.230.251.244 ( talk) 04:54, 2 June 2023 (UTC)