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based in part on Shi [Zhengli]'s emailed answers." ( RfC, December 2021)
The current version of the article includes a quote mentioning the ZC45 or ZXC21 bat coronaviruses, but no further information about these two coronaviruses (not even very basic information such as where in China they were collected, by whom, when, or in which laboratories they were stored) is included. This is a deficiency that should be addressed.
173.88.246.138 (
talk) 09:25, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
I don't want to get involved with this possibly controversial page, but if someone else wants to add the information,
The publication is: Emerg Microbes Infect 7 (1), 154 (2018)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30209269/ (Free PMC article)
the sequences are here together with information about the individuals submitting and the dates of submission:
Bat SARS-like coronavirus isolate bat-SL-CoVZXC21, complete genome.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MG772934
Bat SARS-like coronavirus isolate bat-SL-CoVZC45, complete genome.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MG772933.1
TITLE Direct Submission JOURNAL Submitted (05-JAN-2018) Institute of Military Medicine Nanjing Command, Nanjing, Institute of Military Medicine Nanjing Command, Nanjing, NO. 293 East Zhongshan Road, Nanjing, JangSu 210002, China
more information abut the strains (according to Yan Limeng) is
https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.YGc-meT3aEc
https://zenodo.org/record/4073131#.YGc-d-T3aEc
https://zenodo.org/record/4650821#.YGc-7-T3aEe
https://zenodo.org/record/4283480#.YGc_ceT3aEc
https://zenodo.org/record/4448499#.YGc_nOT3aEc
Eaberry (
talk) 22:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
"Dr. Yan received her
MD degree from XiangYa Medical College of Central South University (China), and PhD from Southern Medical University (China). Her research interests include investigations of infectious diseases or inflammation via different animal models. Her research has recently focused on study of universal influenza vaccine, cross-reactive antibodies and cellular immunology."
Source what you think ? --
Empiricus-sextus (
talk) 11:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Master of Science is generally abbreviated M.S. or MS in countries following United States usage and MSc or M.Sc. in countries following British usage. . .
Master's degree
Eaberry (
talk) 03:26, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
The statement "conspiration theory" is not supported by the linked source (Nr.26 National Geographic) - is unsourced or poorly sourced. "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article." Please find a reliable source here - preferably one that meets strong criteria MEDRS and others.-- Empiricus ( talk) 06:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
The experts also pointed out that the report whipped up wild conspiracy theories and wrongly accused academic journals of plotting with conspirators by censoring important evidence.Two other notes: the second source for this sentence (Newsweek) categorized their article under "conspiracy theories", and we need to be cautious with the "censorship" claim as it's essentially a WP:SELFPUB claim since neither of the two citations in Yan's paper are WP:RS. Bakkster Man ( talk) 14:54, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Yan stated that evidence of genetic engineering was censored in scientific journals, allegedly as part of a conspiracy to suppress information on the topic.See also, the ethics claim below, also a non-MEDRS source (per WP:PARITY):
The lack of financial disclosure in Yan's papers was described as a lapse in ethical transparency by Dr. Adam Lauring, particularly when publishing "what are essentially conspiracy theories that are not founded in fact".Bakkster Man ( talk) 19:49, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
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blistering scientific critiques and widespread news coverage of its alleged flaws" that other sources cite in describing her views as conspiracy theories. Re: PNAS, it goes on to say "
A deeply flawed paper making similar arguments was posted to the file-sharing site https://zenodo.org/" referring to Yan's paper. Re: Vox, you should examine the quotes I pulled out, they make very clear that this former colleague of Yan's considers the ideas expressed in the papers to be "
utter garbage." Further, you have not addressed the several other sources provided which reference Yan's views as "conspiracy theories." Do you have any reliable sources which describe Yan's views as not conspiracy theories? That is what's necessary in this situation to have us not describe them as such in wiki-voice, given that we have several RSes which do describe them as such. -- Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 03:10, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
no consensusclose, because there is clear consensus that Newsweek is not generally reliable post–2013." Your link includes a talk page comment saying they "wouldn't propose it as a source for article content, but as context of how the report is referred to across the political spectrum." We are not talking about how Yan is referred to across the political spectrum, we are talking about potential sources to use on her BLP. CowHouse ( talk) 05:10, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I actually do think “utter garbage” is synonymous with “conspiracy theories” in this context, yes. And what about the other sources we have? ONUS only applies to the non status quo and unsourced material. For quite a few weeks now, this article has included the word “conspiracy.” And we have the Snopes article, the Science article, and the several quotes from experts in secondary sources that you have said nothing about whatsoever. So the ONUS is on those seeking to remove to provide evidence that it isn’t a commonly accepted perception of Yan. We have at least 2 sources showing it is, and several more that I believe show it is, that you have provided only WP:CHERRY arguments against. Do you have any sources that say she is ‘’not’’ a conspiracy theorist?— Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 10:30, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Yan stated that evidence of genetic engineering was censored in scientific journals, allegedly as part of a conspiracy to suppress information on the topic.And again directly quoting one of the rapid reviews contributors regarding the ethics of her paper:
The lack of financial disclosure in Yan's papers was described as a lapse in ethical transparency by Dr. Adam Lauring, particularly when publishing "what are essentially conspiracy theories that are not founded in fact".I generally agree, we better cover the conspiratorial claims (both made by herself, and allegations by others) in the body of the article, rather than by merely lumping her into a category. Bakkster Man ( talk) 20:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
gain of function bioweapon created intentionally in a lab" idea. Not simply the "lab leak," which is such a broad and vague category that it becomes very difficult to pin down or attribute as a belief to anyone.
References
Since SARS-CoV-2 was first discovered in January 2020 and subsequently declared a pandemic the following month, conspiracy theorists have peddled notions that the virus was made in a lab and intentionally released as a biological weapon despite rigorous scientific research proving otherwise...And Yan's account of the origins of the virus is no different.
Anti-China virologist and conspiracy theorist Yan Limeng may be Beijing's best friend
Chief among their complaints was that the report ignored the vast body of published literature regarding what is known about how coronaviruses circulate in wild animal populations and the tendency to spill over into humans, including recent publications about the origins of SARS-CoV-2. The experts also pointed out that the report whipped up wild conspiracy theories and wrongly accused academic journals of plotting with conspirators by censoring important evidence.
A Chinese academic spreading the conspiracy that China was responsible for creating and releasing SARS-CoV-2 says Facebook is "scared of the facts" about COVID-19 after her claims on the platform were flagged as false. Li-Meng Yan, a former post-doctoral fellow at Hong Kong University who has spread theories about the origins of the virus via two non-peer reviewed papers, hit out at the social media giant Wednesday after it placed a fact-checking warning over a link to an interview she conducted with India-based news outlet WION in September.
To add to this article: mention of Yan's husband, Ranawaka Arachchige Prasad Mahendra Perera (as well as the fact that he was granted an H1B visa valid for two years, entering the U.S. on March 23, 2021). 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 03:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Given the newly released report from the US Department of Energy stating that the lab leak hypothesis is the most likely explanation and that more study into the lab leak explanation is needed this article may need to be updated. Especially given that the articles cited to refute Li-Meng Yan have been shown to be propaganda with little to no scientific basis supporting their claims. Leaked emails to Fauci reveal an official cover-up and suppression of the lab leak theory did take place. 97.120.181.231 ( talk) 20:21, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
the articles cited to refute Li-Meng Yan have been shown to be propaganda. Bakkster Man ( talk) 20:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
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based in part on Shi [Zhengli]'s emailed answers." ( RfC, December 2021)
The current version of the article includes a quote mentioning the ZC45 or ZXC21 bat coronaviruses, but no further information about these two coronaviruses (not even very basic information such as where in China they were collected, by whom, when, or in which laboratories they were stored) is included. This is a deficiency that should be addressed.
173.88.246.138 (
talk) 09:25, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
I don't want to get involved with this possibly controversial page, but if someone else wants to add the information,
The publication is: Emerg Microbes Infect 7 (1), 154 (2018)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30209269/ (Free PMC article)
the sequences are here together with information about the individuals submitting and the dates of submission:
Bat SARS-like coronavirus isolate bat-SL-CoVZXC21, complete genome.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MG772934
Bat SARS-like coronavirus isolate bat-SL-CoVZC45, complete genome.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MG772933.1
TITLE Direct Submission JOURNAL Submitted (05-JAN-2018) Institute of Military Medicine Nanjing Command, Nanjing, Institute of Military Medicine Nanjing Command, Nanjing, NO. 293 East Zhongshan Road, Nanjing, JangSu 210002, China
more information abut the strains (according to Yan Limeng) is
https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.YGc-meT3aEc
https://zenodo.org/record/4073131#.YGc-d-T3aEc
https://zenodo.org/record/4650821#.YGc-7-T3aEe
https://zenodo.org/record/4283480#.YGc_ceT3aEc
https://zenodo.org/record/4448499#.YGc_nOT3aEc
Eaberry (
talk) 22:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
"Dr. Yan received her
MD degree from XiangYa Medical College of Central South University (China), and PhD from Southern Medical University (China). Her research interests include investigations of infectious diseases or inflammation via different animal models. Her research has recently focused on study of universal influenza vaccine, cross-reactive antibodies and cellular immunology."
Source what you think ? --
Empiricus-sextus (
talk) 11:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Master of Science is generally abbreviated M.S. or MS in countries following United States usage and MSc or M.Sc. in countries following British usage. . .
Master's degree
Eaberry (
talk) 03:26, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
The statement "conspiration theory" is not supported by the linked source (Nr.26 National Geographic) - is unsourced or poorly sourced. "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article." Please find a reliable source here - preferably one that meets strong criteria MEDRS and others.-- Empiricus ( talk) 06:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
The experts also pointed out that the report whipped up wild conspiracy theories and wrongly accused academic journals of plotting with conspirators by censoring important evidence.Two other notes: the second source for this sentence (Newsweek) categorized their article under "conspiracy theories", and we need to be cautious with the "censorship" claim as it's essentially a WP:SELFPUB claim since neither of the two citations in Yan's paper are WP:RS. Bakkster Man ( talk) 14:54, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Yan stated that evidence of genetic engineering was censored in scientific journals, allegedly as part of a conspiracy to suppress information on the topic.See also, the ethics claim below, also a non-MEDRS source (per WP:PARITY):
The lack of financial disclosure in Yan's papers was described as a lapse in ethical transparency by Dr. Adam Lauring, particularly when publishing "what are essentially conspiracy theories that are not founded in fact".Bakkster Man ( talk) 19:49, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Sources
|
---|
|
blistering scientific critiques and widespread news coverage of its alleged flaws" that other sources cite in describing her views as conspiracy theories. Re: PNAS, it goes on to say "
A deeply flawed paper making similar arguments was posted to the file-sharing site https://zenodo.org/" referring to Yan's paper. Re: Vox, you should examine the quotes I pulled out, they make very clear that this former colleague of Yan's considers the ideas expressed in the papers to be "
utter garbage." Further, you have not addressed the several other sources provided which reference Yan's views as "conspiracy theories." Do you have any reliable sources which describe Yan's views as not conspiracy theories? That is what's necessary in this situation to have us not describe them as such in wiki-voice, given that we have several RSes which do describe them as such. -- Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 03:10, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
no consensusclose, because there is clear consensus that Newsweek is not generally reliable post–2013." Your link includes a talk page comment saying they "wouldn't propose it as a source for article content, but as context of how the report is referred to across the political spectrum." We are not talking about how Yan is referred to across the political spectrum, we are talking about potential sources to use on her BLP. CowHouse ( talk) 05:10, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I actually do think “utter garbage” is synonymous with “conspiracy theories” in this context, yes. And what about the other sources we have? ONUS only applies to the non status quo and unsourced material. For quite a few weeks now, this article has included the word “conspiracy.” And we have the Snopes article, the Science article, and the several quotes from experts in secondary sources that you have said nothing about whatsoever. So the ONUS is on those seeking to remove to provide evidence that it isn’t a commonly accepted perception of Yan. We have at least 2 sources showing it is, and several more that I believe show it is, that you have provided only WP:CHERRY arguments against. Do you have any sources that say she is ‘’not’’ a conspiracy theorist?— Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 10:30, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Yan stated that evidence of genetic engineering was censored in scientific journals, allegedly as part of a conspiracy to suppress information on the topic.And again directly quoting one of the rapid reviews contributors regarding the ethics of her paper:
The lack of financial disclosure in Yan's papers was described as a lapse in ethical transparency by Dr. Adam Lauring, particularly when publishing "what are essentially conspiracy theories that are not founded in fact".I generally agree, we better cover the conspiratorial claims (both made by herself, and allegations by others) in the body of the article, rather than by merely lumping her into a category. Bakkster Man ( talk) 20:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
gain of function bioweapon created intentionally in a lab" idea. Not simply the "lab leak," which is such a broad and vague category that it becomes very difficult to pin down or attribute as a belief to anyone.
References
Since SARS-CoV-2 was first discovered in January 2020 and subsequently declared a pandemic the following month, conspiracy theorists have peddled notions that the virus was made in a lab and intentionally released as a biological weapon despite rigorous scientific research proving otherwise...And Yan's account of the origins of the virus is no different.
Anti-China virologist and conspiracy theorist Yan Limeng may be Beijing's best friend
Chief among their complaints was that the report ignored the vast body of published literature regarding what is known about how coronaviruses circulate in wild animal populations and the tendency to spill over into humans, including recent publications about the origins of SARS-CoV-2. The experts also pointed out that the report whipped up wild conspiracy theories and wrongly accused academic journals of plotting with conspirators by censoring important evidence.
A Chinese academic spreading the conspiracy that China was responsible for creating and releasing SARS-CoV-2 says Facebook is "scared of the facts" about COVID-19 after her claims on the platform were flagged as false. Li-Meng Yan, a former post-doctoral fellow at Hong Kong University who has spread theories about the origins of the virus via two non-peer reviewed papers, hit out at the social media giant Wednesday after it placed a fact-checking warning over a link to an interview she conducted with India-based news outlet WION in September.
To add to this article: mention of Yan's husband, Ranawaka Arachchige Prasad Mahendra Perera (as well as the fact that he was granted an H1B visa valid for two years, entering the U.S. on March 23, 2021). 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 03:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Given the newly released report from the US Department of Energy stating that the lab leak hypothesis is the most likely explanation and that more study into the lab leak explanation is needed this article may need to be updated. Especially given that the articles cited to refute Li-Meng Yan have been shown to be propaganda with little to no scientific basis supporting their claims. Leaked emails to Fauci reveal an official cover-up and suppression of the lab leak theory did take place. 97.120.181.231 ( talk) 20:21, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
the articles cited to refute Li-Meng Yan have been shown to be propaganda. Bakkster Man ( talk) 20:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)