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The Lamb is the offspring of the sheep, not intrinsically a culinary term or type of food...
The Wiki Cookbook link at the bottom of the page points to Cookbook:Lamb (food). <Syntax?> It should point to Cookbook:Lamb. Can someone more wikicapable than I please fix this?
Should "Female (ewe) and castrated male (wether) " read "Female (ewe) OR castrated male (wether)" ? Hope someone can help. Lambyuk 10:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the redirect of "mutton" to Lamb (food), because "mutton" has at least one other definition -- in South and Southeast Asia, "mutton" is used generally to refer to red meat, and specifically to goat's meat. I tried to figure out a way to work in a mention of this definition here, but it doesn't make sense to give an alternative definition of "mutton" when the title of the article is "Lamb (food)." Acsenray 14:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
This page is pretty nearly exclusively about lamb, and ends with links to lamb-related articles. I was trying to research mutton and this told me basically nothing. Atypicaloracle ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:40, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Is the muttonbird link at the end really appropriate? It doesn't really relate to lambs. If we need some kind of disambiguation, shouldn't that be done at Mutton? 130.240.98.187 16:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I think this should be added to the list of places where lamb is an important/predominant part of national and/or traditional cuisine. It is! Plutonium27 23:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I can't find a dictionary that spells "Hoggett" so, but "Hogget" is an accepted spelling. Could we have a definitive answer?
81.174.151.35 23:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Something should be mentioned about the episode where Jerry is on a diet and is forced to eat mutton by a date of his. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.231.86 ( talk • contribs)
I definitely agree! I tried to add this and wikipedia immediately deleted it, saying that it wasn't relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.75.87.60 ( talk • contribs)
Someone forgot to tell the Sheepmeat Council of Australia, Ireland's Beef and Sheepmeat Fund and the USDA. Ewlyahoocom 06:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree that though "sheepmeat" may be in bureaucratic use, it is not the common English name. How about "Lamb and mutton (meat)" (hoggett is a rather specialized and uncommon term)? -- Macrakis 16:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Would Sheep meat (with a space in the middle) be more acceptable to you? Ewlyahoocom 19:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED to Lamb and mutton, per discussion below. There were about six different titles on the table, of which the two most popular seemed to be Sheep meat and Lamb and mutton. The argument against Lamb and mutton is that it's a bit awkward, while the argument against sheep meat is that it's not common in English. It was a close call, and I decided to go with the more common name. If you have any questions, please let me know. - GTBacchus( talk) 04:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Sheepmeat → Lamb (meat) — article covers lamb, hoggett and mutton, disagreement about what the article should be called — Ewlyahoocom 02:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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Can we incorporate any nutrition data that maybe related to lamb meat? We see here the classifications between lamb and mutton, but no mention of its benefits or drawbacks to eating lamb meat. JoeHenzi ( talk) 08:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I made several major image changes, for several reasons: 1. this is about a meat, not a live animal. the lead image is supposed to illustrate the subject of the article, and a live lamb doesn't do taht. besides, it's prejudicial to only have a lamb image as representative of the whole subject, this is about mutton too. 2. the leg image was poorly composed 3. the original loin dish image was poor composition and lighting 3. the shank image is much better 4. the new lamb image is placed next to a section which is speaking about age classifications of live sheep just before slaughter, which is more relevant placement VanTucky talk 20:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, what's wrong with having both loin and shank? The shank image is not exactly "much better"... sigh. Manderiko ( talk) 01:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Lamb is eaten all year round, there are many mideastern restaurants which serve it every day. The claim that it's most commonly eaten on Easter is wrong. There is even some argument about whether the Last Supper was a Passover (in which case they would have eaten lamb), or if it was vegetarian.
This looks like a good addition.
Constructive comments ...
The OA website notes that it's not possible to get kosher leg of lamb in the US -- the steps needed to make sure that cut is kosher require cutting the meat up into too many small pieces. Cute tidbit that might have a place in a more.. fleshed out article. +sj + 03:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I think the word meat should be replaced with the word flesh or muscle tissue. The definition of meat is a little spotty all over the world and is not as descriptive as to what part of the animal is being used. For example if you were to say "meat taken from the upper shoulder" that would be less descriptive then "*scientific name* skeletal muscle taken to the upper shoulder"
I'm just find younger people are often confused and think meat and flesh/muscle are two different things when in reality meat is mostly an industry term referring to animal flesh by different producers of livestock.
example is Meat in the united states is defined as meat from a mammal that has been raised. so technically Animals like Deer and wild game do not have meat since the term is only meant to describe livestock.
I'm not saying the article is incorrect I'm just saying maybe some illusion should be made that these different cuts of sheep are the muscle tissue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.216.52 ( talk) 08:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Isn't the consumption of meat from non-adult animals a growing controversy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 ( talk) 22:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Should there be any reference to mint jelly being a traditional sauce? 66.191.19.217 ( talk) 00:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I came here looking to find out what those spindles of meat used in gyros were actually composed of. This needs some coverage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.117.162.26 ( talk) 16:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Currently there is a content fork involving Primal cut on one side, and on the other side Cut of beef and Cut of pork. I suggest merging the duplicated content, preferably within the respective carcass articles ( Beef, Pork). That will leave not very much content on Primal cut; perhaps merge it into Butcher, as a section. The section would then link to Lamb and mutton#Cuts of lamb. -- Una Smith ( talk) 14:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
(national cuisines) of the Western United States. In Northern Europe, mutton and lamb feaure
An editor has been trying to insert a picture of a baby sheep into this article about sheep as food, while removing a picture of the meat. Veal and Beef include pictures of the animal (but not first thing), Horse meat barely features a distinguishable horse mid-article, and Pork, Goat meat, Venison, Chicken (food), and even and Frog legs Dog meat omit the living animals completely. It may be appropriate to include a picture of the animal, but only if it is representative of what is likely to end up on the plate. A baby sheep taking its first steps is not representative of lamb one finds in the butcher's shop.
Any comments? Ian.thomson ( talk) 18:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't appear to be~ -- Nutthida ( talk) 11:20, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
This addresses an obvious question of particular relevance to the topic: 'what animal does the meat come from?' The text clearly addresses this, but would still benefit from the image, considering the relative obscurity of the word 'mutton' and (sometimes) ambiguity in the use of 'lamb' in cuisine, especially for non-native english speakers (and whoever else normally benefits from supplementary images). Consistent with this simple rationale is the article for 'beef', which first shows a picture of a cut of meat, then a picture of the source (a cow). A convenient available image shows the sources of both mutton and lamb:
[File:Cheviot ewe with lamb.jpg|thumb|Cheviot ewe with lamb]
I agree that this shouldn't be the first image in the article, but omission appears almost deliberately uninformative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avcikral ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Under "Butchery ..." the article says "Lamb shank is a cut of meat from the upper part of the leg."
Shouldn't that be the lower part of the leg? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.89.93 ( talk) 04:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm surprised there's no mention under "Butchery ..." of what cuts are used for ground lamb, given that many lamb dishes use ground meat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.89.93 ( talk) 04:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
The article at time says Southeast Asia when it appears to mean South Asia. For example: "The husbanded sheep population in India and other SE Asian countries..." But India is not a Southeast Asian country. It is a South Asian country.
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Main discussion for this is at Talk:Goat meat#Not mutton in Australia. Pelagic ( talk) 13:47, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
This prhase 'incisors in wear' desperatley needs definign bceause itt's not clear what it means to a non-rancher or sheepmeat industry professional . Mang ( talk) 14:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
This looks messy. Pork is not mutton. Condo951795 ( talk) 05:28, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
At least on a desktop, the layout of the Environmental impact and See also sections combined is a mucking fuddle. Does anyone know a good way to untangle them, please? -- Frans Fowler ( talk) 04:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
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The Lamb is the offspring of the sheep, not intrinsically a culinary term or type of food...
The Wiki Cookbook link at the bottom of the page points to Cookbook:Lamb (food). <Syntax?> It should point to Cookbook:Lamb. Can someone more wikicapable than I please fix this?
Should "Female (ewe) and castrated male (wether) " read "Female (ewe) OR castrated male (wether)" ? Hope someone can help. Lambyuk 10:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the redirect of "mutton" to Lamb (food), because "mutton" has at least one other definition -- in South and Southeast Asia, "mutton" is used generally to refer to red meat, and specifically to goat's meat. I tried to figure out a way to work in a mention of this definition here, but it doesn't make sense to give an alternative definition of "mutton" when the title of the article is "Lamb (food)." Acsenray 14:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
This page is pretty nearly exclusively about lamb, and ends with links to lamb-related articles. I was trying to research mutton and this told me basically nothing. Atypicaloracle ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:40, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Is the muttonbird link at the end really appropriate? It doesn't really relate to lambs. If we need some kind of disambiguation, shouldn't that be done at Mutton? 130.240.98.187 16:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I think this should be added to the list of places where lamb is an important/predominant part of national and/or traditional cuisine. It is! Plutonium27 23:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I can't find a dictionary that spells "Hoggett" so, but "Hogget" is an accepted spelling. Could we have a definitive answer?
81.174.151.35 23:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Something should be mentioned about the episode where Jerry is on a diet and is forced to eat mutton by a date of his. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.231.86 ( talk • contribs)
I definitely agree! I tried to add this and wikipedia immediately deleted it, saying that it wasn't relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.75.87.60 ( talk • contribs)
Someone forgot to tell the Sheepmeat Council of Australia, Ireland's Beef and Sheepmeat Fund and the USDA. Ewlyahoocom 06:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree that though "sheepmeat" may be in bureaucratic use, it is not the common English name. How about "Lamb and mutton (meat)" (hoggett is a rather specialized and uncommon term)? -- Macrakis 16:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Would Sheep meat (with a space in the middle) be more acceptable to you? Ewlyahoocom 19:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED to Lamb and mutton, per discussion below. There were about six different titles on the table, of which the two most popular seemed to be Sheep meat and Lamb and mutton. The argument against Lamb and mutton is that it's a bit awkward, while the argument against sheep meat is that it's not common in English. It was a close call, and I decided to go with the more common name. If you have any questions, please let me know. - GTBacchus( talk) 04:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Sheepmeat → Lamb (meat) — article covers lamb, hoggett and mutton, disagreement about what the article should be called — Ewlyahoocom 02:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.Oh, I forget about this entirely and forget to comment. May I ask the two people who supported "Lamb and mutton" instead of "Lamb (meat)" what their reasoning was? I think the new title is an improvement but is awkward for no reason; as stated in discussion above, "lamb" is at least six times more common than "mutton" and is the primary name used throughout the article. I'm just wondering why, of the two names offered by Mackrakis, this one was supported instead (with no explanation). Robbie098 05:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Can we incorporate any nutrition data that maybe related to lamb meat? We see here the classifications between lamb and mutton, but no mention of its benefits or drawbacks to eating lamb meat. JoeHenzi ( talk) 08:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I made several major image changes, for several reasons: 1. this is about a meat, not a live animal. the lead image is supposed to illustrate the subject of the article, and a live lamb doesn't do taht. besides, it's prejudicial to only have a lamb image as representative of the whole subject, this is about mutton too. 2. the leg image was poorly composed 3. the original loin dish image was poor composition and lighting 3. the shank image is much better 4. the new lamb image is placed next to a section which is speaking about age classifications of live sheep just before slaughter, which is more relevant placement VanTucky talk 20:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, what's wrong with having both loin and shank? The shank image is not exactly "much better"... sigh. Manderiko ( talk) 01:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Lamb is eaten all year round, there are many mideastern restaurants which serve it every day. The claim that it's most commonly eaten on Easter is wrong. There is even some argument about whether the Last Supper was a Passover (in which case they would have eaten lamb), or if it was vegetarian.
This looks like a good addition.
Constructive comments ...
The OA website notes that it's not possible to get kosher leg of lamb in the US -- the steps needed to make sure that cut is kosher require cutting the meat up into too many small pieces. Cute tidbit that might have a place in a more.. fleshed out article. +sj + 03:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I think the word meat should be replaced with the word flesh or muscle tissue. The definition of meat is a little spotty all over the world and is not as descriptive as to what part of the animal is being used. For example if you were to say "meat taken from the upper shoulder" that would be less descriptive then "*scientific name* skeletal muscle taken to the upper shoulder"
I'm just find younger people are often confused and think meat and flesh/muscle are two different things when in reality meat is mostly an industry term referring to animal flesh by different producers of livestock.
example is Meat in the united states is defined as meat from a mammal that has been raised. so technically Animals like Deer and wild game do not have meat since the term is only meant to describe livestock.
I'm not saying the article is incorrect I'm just saying maybe some illusion should be made that these different cuts of sheep are the muscle tissue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.216.52 ( talk) 08:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Isn't the consumption of meat from non-adult animals a growing controversy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 ( talk) 22:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Should there be any reference to mint jelly being a traditional sauce? 66.191.19.217 ( talk) 00:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I came here looking to find out what those spindles of meat used in gyros were actually composed of. This needs some coverage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.117.162.26 ( talk) 16:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Currently there is a content fork involving Primal cut on one side, and on the other side Cut of beef and Cut of pork. I suggest merging the duplicated content, preferably within the respective carcass articles ( Beef, Pork). That will leave not very much content on Primal cut; perhaps merge it into Butcher, as a section. The section would then link to Lamb and mutton#Cuts of lamb. -- Una Smith ( talk) 14:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
(national cuisines) of the Western United States. In Northern Europe, mutton and lamb feaure
An editor has been trying to insert a picture of a baby sheep into this article about sheep as food, while removing a picture of the meat. Veal and Beef include pictures of the animal (but not first thing), Horse meat barely features a distinguishable horse mid-article, and Pork, Goat meat, Venison, Chicken (food), and even and Frog legs Dog meat omit the living animals completely. It may be appropriate to include a picture of the animal, but only if it is representative of what is likely to end up on the plate. A baby sheep taking its first steps is not representative of lamb one finds in the butcher's shop.
Any comments? Ian.thomson ( talk) 18:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't appear to be~ -- Nutthida ( talk) 11:20, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
This addresses an obvious question of particular relevance to the topic: 'what animal does the meat come from?' The text clearly addresses this, but would still benefit from the image, considering the relative obscurity of the word 'mutton' and (sometimes) ambiguity in the use of 'lamb' in cuisine, especially for non-native english speakers (and whoever else normally benefits from supplementary images). Consistent with this simple rationale is the article for 'beef', which first shows a picture of a cut of meat, then a picture of the source (a cow). A convenient available image shows the sources of both mutton and lamb:
[File:Cheviot ewe with lamb.jpg|thumb|Cheviot ewe with lamb]
I agree that this shouldn't be the first image in the article, but omission appears almost deliberately uninformative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avcikral ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Under "Butchery ..." the article says "Lamb shank is a cut of meat from the upper part of the leg."
Shouldn't that be the lower part of the leg? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.89.93 ( talk) 04:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm surprised there's no mention under "Butchery ..." of what cuts are used for ground lamb, given that many lamb dishes use ground meat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.89.93 ( talk) 04:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
The article at time says Southeast Asia when it appears to mean South Asia. For example: "The husbanded sheep population in India and other SE Asian countries..." But India is not a Southeast Asian country. It is a South Asian country.
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Lamb and mutton/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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Main discussion for this is at Talk:Goat meat#Not mutton in Australia. Pelagic ( talk) 13:47, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
This prhase 'incisors in wear' desperatley needs definign bceause itt's not clear what it means to a non-rancher or sheepmeat industry professional . Mang ( talk) 14:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
This looks messy. Pork is not mutton. Condo951795 ( talk) 05:28, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
At least on a desktop, the layout of the Environmental impact and See also sections combined is a mucking fuddle. Does anyone know a good way to untangle them, please? -- Frans Fowler ( talk) 04:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)