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{L} 12:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Why would the French people make a devout Sunni Muslim the symbol of their country? 68.84.17.112 02:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
There appears to be an anon who repeatedly removes the standard link to IMDb. What gives? Let's try a discussion instead of a revert war. - Phoenixrod ( talk) 17:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Reply:
I'm tired of typing all the colons, so I'll align this comment on the left margin in a new subsection. Of course I'm debating your argument, since I find it unsupported and unconvincing; some links to your evidence would help. Is that not what this discussion is about, to come to an agreement that is best for the encyclopedia? Thank you for re-adding the IMDb link in the meantime.
Unfortunately, you have yet to prove that the link contains any "faulty information" on the linked page. Again you make the empty assertion that it has incorrect information, but you haven't shown that. What was faulty, where did you find it, and what change did IMDb make or not make? I cannot read your mind here.
After poking around, I see on LC's bio page at IMDb, which we are not linking to directly, what I am guessing you were referring to above with respect to Madison Models and nothing updated since 2001. But it is equally clear from that page that it is a user-submitted bio (rather like a wiki in some respects), so it's not really relevant to our discussion—especially since we should be focusing on the linked page's information. What is "IMDB's refusal to change such info"? You have not shared that before, so I don't know what you mean. Did you write to the company and request a change of something? If so, what? I'm sure you could submit an updated bio if that is the problem.
You say, "IMDB, FYI, is COMMERCIAL in nature. They do NOT display encompassing information on ANY of their subject's content matter without effecting a subscription to 'IMDB Pro.'" Unfortunately, I don't follow you. Wikipedia's pages on actors typically link to IMDb for complete information on acting roles. That information is freely available. Wikipedia's article on IMDb explains, "The IMDb website is essentially a free site. All of the basic database information is available without registration and without providing any personal information." I simply don't understand your point. What is relevant for our purposes is clearly free. As for the spam policy you are using out of context, even if it were relevant here, the purpose of including the external link is to provide further information for the article on LC, not to promote IMDb.
Of course IMDb is commercial in nature. That is not in dispute. Any company is trying to make money, but that does not mean that we cannot use the information they offer. By that reasoning, we apparently could not link to www.yahoo.com in the article on Yahoo!, since that would, in your eyes, serve to promote a commercial site. I don't see "copious" advertising on IMDb. "Copious" is of course a judgment call, one on which we seemingly disagree. I don't find two ads on a page to be "copious"; "copious" is more in the realm of The Million Dollar Homepage. :)
Does IMDb require payment or registration to view the relevant content? No. I don't know what relevant content you think cannot be viewed for free or without registration. Does IMDb source solicit? Again, no. I cannot fathom how you assume otherwise. Do you go to the talk pages of articles and find anonymous messages requesting that a sketchy link be included? That would be "source solicitaiton", but that's not what you find here.
You ask, "Does NOT including an IMDB link make an article a stub?" I never claimed that; don't twist my words. You seem to be reading far too much into what I said when I called IMDb a "standard" link in articles about actors. I simply mean, as I tried to point out with a few examples above, that you would be hard pressed to find any well-developed Wikipedia article on an actor that doesn't include a link to IMDb. That is all I meant. It is nothing to do with a guideline; instead, it is the well-worn path of consensus—a consensus that led to the creation of the IMDb template in the first place. - Phoenixrod ( talk) 07:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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Alright, this is going a little too far. But thanks for the alignment, BTW.
IMDB DID contain faulty info. I tried to correct it--yet it still does. Archive.org it for further details.
IMDB Ads may not be copious to you, but they are, nonetheless, present. Obviously, if one subscribes to Pro one gets more info. The only reason I re-added IMDB was because they issued SOME corrections.
"What relevant content you think cannot be viewed for free or without registration" I cannot fathom how you assume this one: When you register you get this; Starmeter and contact information, contact listings, company directories, entertainment news (Hollywood Reporter), In-Production charts, people rankings, Pro message boards, box office and theatrical releases, film festivals/events calendars, advanced search functions and customized reports. Click on the "Pro" links to see what else you get.
Wiki's IMDB note on "database information...available without registration" is factually incorrect. In fact, to STOP Banner ads and pop-ups, one must register!
Regarding your "Any company is trying to make money, but that does not mean that we cannot use the information they offer. By that reasoning, we apparently could not link to www.yahoo.com in the article on Yahoo!, since that would, in your eyes, serve to promote a commercial site." I never claimed that; don't twist my words.
Regarding your "As for the spam policy you are using out of context,"--my question to you would be: DOES Wiki Content specify that Spam and ads CAN BE USED to judge the relevancy of links? Yes, it does. I got a pop-up ad for Columbia College and an referral Amazon link last I checked out Laetitia right now.
In your paragraph two, you claim that IMDB does NOT contain faulty info, yet a paragraph later you say that it does. Also, how is that fact of whether or not a bio IS or IS NOT 'user-submitted' going to sway the argument of IMDB containing faulty info? IMDB CONTAINED it, CONTAINS it, this faulty info is THERE, and will probably continue to contain it!
In light of all your well-thought out (but ill-conclusive) above, you continue to fail to answer my question about "standard" links. Where do you find this? Enlighten me, please...or stop wasting my time.
Your arguments, sir, remain unconvincing. BTW, since you are an editor, can you ad the Wiki Quotes page for Laetitia to this one. Merci. Mbalensiefer ( talk) 10:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
With the recent spate of IP vandalism, removing the IMDb link (Mbalensiefer's return, anyone?), it seems high time to semi-protect the article. Thoughts? - Phoenixrod ( talk) 00:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason that celebrity Web sites such as the FashionModel Directory are back to being listed on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.231.65.26 ( talk) 02:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Although I hate wholesale reversions of large edits, per WP:BOLD I reverted a recent edit by the user Nimmzo and thought doing so deserves some detail. My primary concern is that much of the writing isn't encyclopedic. For example, writing like this does not belong: In Visage (Face) directed by Tsai Ming-Liang, the icy eroticism of the irresistible monster Salome, she-animal with sprawling feminine hands brushing the Laetitia Casta's body with sounds of hoarse and metallic moans, makes St. John the Baptist loose the head in a kiss of extreme tenderness, face against face under a veil of stars that does not mask the pain of the young woman. The film section is full of this.
I don't even understand the section that follows. It's a play-by-play transcription of a show reel on her official site?
What? Then we have a table on all the songs she has sung, including non-recordings?
The notes in some of these tables are bizarre too: Louis Vuitton-clad Laetitia, dressed by the Art Director Marc Jacobs, is the first to emerge, attracted by the source of fresh water, in the Louvre Cour Carrée (square courtyard) while, paying tribute to Brigitte Bardot, one heard the famous trumpets from And God Created Woman. What's the relevance?
And this isn't even going into some of the smaller issues (for example WP:FLAGBIO). If this all sounds harsh, I apologize, but it stems from a necessary reversion. Mbinebri talk ← 13:55, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
On May 19, 2012 you restored the following text quoted here in a dotted frame for discussion. It was already in the section Marianne → Models. Why do you need to duplicate it without more precision despite I added the bookmark to the link?
She wonfrom a shortlist of five candidates, scoring 36% among the 15,000 voting mayors.The other candidates were ...
Shortly thereafter amini-scandal shookFrance,
after it was publicised that Casta — the new icon of the Republic — had relocated to London.
Although she claimed thather movewas motivated by practical professional reasons,
the magazine Le Point, among others, suggested that she was trying to escape taxes.
Maybe the readers could agree about the consensus in the mouth of the French minister of interior.
He declared that her installation is not corroborated. |
Nimmzo ( talk) 18:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
In the section "Early life", it mentions Laetitia's sister, Marie-Ange, with a wikilink to the French WP. I don't know what the policy on this is, but surely if we start wikilink to other languages right left and centre we are going to end up with a big mess. I for one, expect that when I click on a wikilink that it takes me to an article in the same language as the page where I am clicking. What would be the point of wikifying things like Maty (entreprise) or Barriga-verde? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 15:43, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm a little nervous mentioning this, since this page has so many fervent defenders. As far as the part about Marianne goes, there is no mention of how long she was Marianne or even if she ever was actually used as the figure of Marianne. It simply says that she was picked and the choice became controversial (which implies she wasn't actually used as the model). Shouldn't this point be made perfectly clear? Is she still the model for Marianne or has someone else taken her place?__ 209.179.51.170 ( talk) 20:05, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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I must, with some regret, take one of the images off this page. The
fair use guideline is fairly stringent.
brenneman
{L} 12:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Why would the French people make a devout Sunni Muslim the symbol of their country? 68.84.17.112 02:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
There appears to be an anon who repeatedly removes the standard link to IMDb. What gives? Let's try a discussion instead of a revert war. - Phoenixrod ( talk) 17:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Reply:
I'm tired of typing all the colons, so I'll align this comment on the left margin in a new subsection. Of course I'm debating your argument, since I find it unsupported and unconvincing; some links to your evidence would help. Is that not what this discussion is about, to come to an agreement that is best for the encyclopedia? Thank you for re-adding the IMDb link in the meantime.
Unfortunately, you have yet to prove that the link contains any "faulty information" on the linked page. Again you make the empty assertion that it has incorrect information, but you haven't shown that. What was faulty, where did you find it, and what change did IMDb make or not make? I cannot read your mind here.
After poking around, I see on LC's bio page at IMDb, which we are not linking to directly, what I am guessing you were referring to above with respect to Madison Models and nothing updated since 2001. But it is equally clear from that page that it is a user-submitted bio (rather like a wiki in some respects), so it's not really relevant to our discussion—especially since we should be focusing on the linked page's information. What is "IMDB's refusal to change such info"? You have not shared that before, so I don't know what you mean. Did you write to the company and request a change of something? If so, what? I'm sure you could submit an updated bio if that is the problem.
You say, "IMDB, FYI, is COMMERCIAL in nature. They do NOT display encompassing information on ANY of their subject's content matter without effecting a subscription to 'IMDB Pro.'" Unfortunately, I don't follow you. Wikipedia's pages on actors typically link to IMDb for complete information on acting roles. That information is freely available. Wikipedia's article on IMDb explains, "The IMDb website is essentially a free site. All of the basic database information is available without registration and without providing any personal information." I simply don't understand your point. What is relevant for our purposes is clearly free. As for the spam policy you are using out of context, even if it were relevant here, the purpose of including the external link is to provide further information for the article on LC, not to promote IMDb.
Of course IMDb is commercial in nature. That is not in dispute. Any company is trying to make money, but that does not mean that we cannot use the information they offer. By that reasoning, we apparently could not link to www.yahoo.com in the article on Yahoo!, since that would, in your eyes, serve to promote a commercial site. I don't see "copious" advertising on IMDb. "Copious" is of course a judgment call, one on which we seemingly disagree. I don't find two ads on a page to be "copious"; "copious" is more in the realm of The Million Dollar Homepage. :)
Does IMDb require payment or registration to view the relevant content? No. I don't know what relevant content you think cannot be viewed for free or without registration. Does IMDb source solicit? Again, no. I cannot fathom how you assume otherwise. Do you go to the talk pages of articles and find anonymous messages requesting that a sketchy link be included? That would be "source solicitaiton", but that's not what you find here.
You ask, "Does NOT including an IMDB link make an article a stub?" I never claimed that; don't twist my words. You seem to be reading far too much into what I said when I called IMDb a "standard" link in articles about actors. I simply mean, as I tried to point out with a few examples above, that you would be hard pressed to find any well-developed Wikipedia article on an actor that doesn't include a link to IMDb. That is all I meant. It is nothing to do with a guideline; instead, it is the well-worn path of consensus—a consensus that led to the creation of the IMDb template in the first place. - Phoenixrod ( talk) 07:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
...
Alright, this is going a little too far. But thanks for the alignment, BTW.
IMDB DID contain faulty info. I tried to correct it--yet it still does. Archive.org it for further details.
IMDB Ads may not be copious to you, but they are, nonetheless, present. Obviously, if one subscribes to Pro one gets more info. The only reason I re-added IMDB was because they issued SOME corrections.
"What relevant content you think cannot be viewed for free or without registration" I cannot fathom how you assume this one: When you register you get this; Starmeter and contact information, contact listings, company directories, entertainment news (Hollywood Reporter), In-Production charts, people rankings, Pro message boards, box office and theatrical releases, film festivals/events calendars, advanced search functions and customized reports. Click on the "Pro" links to see what else you get.
Wiki's IMDB note on "database information...available without registration" is factually incorrect. In fact, to STOP Banner ads and pop-ups, one must register!
Regarding your "Any company is trying to make money, but that does not mean that we cannot use the information they offer. By that reasoning, we apparently could not link to www.yahoo.com in the article on Yahoo!, since that would, in your eyes, serve to promote a commercial site." I never claimed that; don't twist my words.
Regarding your "As for the spam policy you are using out of context,"--my question to you would be: DOES Wiki Content specify that Spam and ads CAN BE USED to judge the relevancy of links? Yes, it does. I got a pop-up ad for Columbia College and an referral Amazon link last I checked out Laetitia right now.
In your paragraph two, you claim that IMDB does NOT contain faulty info, yet a paragraph later you say that it does. Also, how is that fact of whether or not a bio IS or IS NOT 'user-submitted' going to sway the argument of IMDB containing faulty info? IMDB CONTAINED it, CONTAINS it, this faulty info is THERE, and will probably continue to contain it!
In light of all your well-thought out (but ill-conclusive) above, you continue to fail to answer my question about "standard" links. Where do you find this? Enlighten me, please...or stop wasting my time.
Your arguments, sir, remain unconvincing. BTW, since you are an editor, can you ad the Wiki Quotes page for Laetitia to this one. Merci. Mbalensiefer ( talk) 10:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
With the recent spate of IP vandalism, removing the IMDb link (Mbalensiefer's return, anyone?), it seems high time to semi-protect the article. Thoughts? - Phoenixrod ( talk) 00:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason that celebrity Web sites such as the FashionModel Directory are back to being listed on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.231.65.26 ( talk) 02:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Although I hate wholesale reversions of large edits, per WP:BOLD I reverted a recent edit by the user Nimmzo and thought doing so deserves some detail. My primary concern is that much of the writing isn't encyclopedic. For example, writing like this does not belong: In Visage (Face) directed by Tsai Ming-Liang, the icy eroticism of the irresistible monster Salome, she-animal with sprawling feminine hands brushing the Laetitia Casta's body with sounds of hoarse and metallic moans, makes St. John the Baptist loose the head in a kiss of extreme tenderness, face against face under a veil of stars that does not mask the pain of the young woman. The film section is full of this.
I don't even understand the section that follows. It's a play-by-play transcription of a show reel on her official site?
What? Then we have a table on all the songs she has sung, including non-recordings?
The notes in some of these tables are bizarre too: Louis Vuitton-clad Laetitia, dressed by the Art Director Marc Jacobs, is the first to emerge, attracted by the source of fresh water, in the Louvre Cour Carrée (square courtyard) while, paying tribute to Brigitte Bardot, one heard the famous trumpets from And God Created Woman. What's the relevance?
And this isn't even going into some of the smaller issues (for example WP:FLAGBIO). If this all sounds harsh, I apologize, but it stems from a necessary reversion. Mbinebri talk ← 13:55, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
On May 19, 2012 you restored the following text quoted here in a dotted frame for discussion. It was already in the section Marianne → Models. Why do you need to duplicate it without more precision despite I added the bookmark to the link?
She wonfrom a shortlist of five candidates, scoring 36% among the 15,000 voting mayors.The other candidates were ...
Shortly thereafter amini-scandal shookFrance,
after it was publicised that Casta — the new icon of the Republic — had relocated to London.
Although she claimed thather movewas motivated by practical professional reasons,
the magazine Le Point, among others, suggested that she was trying to escape taxes.
Maybe the readers could agree about the consensus in the mouth of the French minister of interior.
He declared that her installation is not corroborated. |
Nimmzo ( talk) 18:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
In the section "Early life", it mentions Laetitia's sister, Marie-Ange, with a wikilink to the French WP. I don't know what the policy on this is, but surely if we start wikilink to other languages right left and centre we are going to end up with a big mess. I for one, expect that when I click on a wikilink that it takes me to an article in the same language as the page where I am clicking. What would be the point of wikifying things like Maty (entreprise) or Barriga-verde? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 15:43, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm a little nervous mentioning this, since this page has so many fervent defenders. As far as the part about Marianne goes, there is no mention of how long she was Marianne or even if she ever was actually used as the figure of Marianne. It simply says that she was picked and the choice became controversial (which implies she wasn't actually used as the model). Shouldn't this point be made perfectly clear? Is she still the model for Marianne or has someone else taken her place?__ 209.179.51.170 ( talk) 20:05, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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