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Article is one sided and should undergo major improvement. -- Cool Cat Talk| @ 17:51, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Why is there no mention that the Kurds in Syria are Marxists? https://www.marxist.com/turkey-attacks-afrin.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hpfeil ( talk • contribs) 23:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
The catgeory does not apply to this article as Kurds in Syria is about a group of people not a region. Heja Helweda 03:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I just finished removing bias from this article. It is notable that almost all of the article was violating copyrights. I rewrote the article and neutralized it. The claims of suppression are not facts, they are claims fro certain organizations and that should be always noted. The background of the citizenship controversy was included; it is clear that the creator of the article, or the section, presented the issue in an anti-Syrian, one-sided way. Please discuss any changes here before making them. Regards, Anas talk? 15:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Who said that northeastern Syria is called Syrian Kurdistan?!! When you say so, you give the impression that Kurds are the only inhabitants of that region, which is completely untrue. I live in northeastern Syria and particularly in Hassakeh and Kurds are not the only inhabitants of this region nor they form the majority there. There are other ethnicities like Armenians, Chaldeans, Syriacs, Assyrians and Arabs or Shawaya as we call them here. Unfortunately I don’t have a reliable reference to include but I LIVE THERE and this is a live testimony. You are an encyclopedia, that means that you have to be neutral and away from any political agenda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.178.224.165 ( talk) 11:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
You may be of the opinion that as a geographical region "Syrian Kurdistan" "does not exist and has never existed", but that does not matter. The term does exist, as Anthony Hyman has written in Elusive Kurdistan, the struggle for recognition, pg. 11:
It says in the demographics that the kurds in Syrian kurdistan came from Turkey. Thats not true the kurds is Syrian kurdistan has always been there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrkurdistan ( talk • contribs) 05:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Source says the majority of Kurds in Syria came from Turkey.-- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 21:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
What sources Supreme Deliciousness?. Those who say that kurds does not exist, does who says that there is no kurdistan and kurds are only foreigners in their own lands???. doent you see that Wikipedia is only trying to get rid of kurdish culture, tradion and language and everything that the kurds are about. Know that the kurds have always been in Kurdistan and Kurdistan is only ours.Peace — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrkurdistan ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
In this edit: [2], an IP removes "The majority of Kurds in Syria originally came from Turkey in the 1920s." and its source with the edit summary: "false assertion made by unreliable source"
The source is Youssef M. Choueiri (2005). A companion to the history of the Middle East (Hardcover ed.). Wiley-Blackwell. p. 475. ISBN 1405106816.
Dr. Choueiri: BA (American University of Beirut), MSc (SOAS, University of London) PhD (Corpus Christi College, University of Cambridge), Reader In Islamic Studies at the University of Manchester:
[3]
Book is published by: Wiley-Blackwell: "Wiley-Blackwell is the international scientific, technical, medical, and scholarly publishing business of John Wiley & Sons, with strengths in every major academic and professional field and partnerships with many of the world's leading societies. Wiley-Blackwell publishes nearly 1,500 peer-reviewed journals and 1,500+ new books annually in print and online, as well as databases, major reference works and laboratory protocols." [4]
This demonstrates that the source is reliable and the argument that its a "false assertion" is not backed up by anything. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:21, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
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I removed this piece from the article for a very simple reason. It doesn't state anything important. It is a political message for a party in Syria/Syrian Kurdistan.
Piece: "Kurdistan National Assembly of Syria Kurdistan National Assembly of Syria an umbrella organization for Syrian Kurdistan Region that seeks freedom, peace, and democracy for Syria. In addition, it seeks a federal system for Syria where Kurds would be granted their national rights to govern themselves. Our vision to have a new Federal government in Syria. The new Syrian government should be modeled after, but not a direct copy of, the principles of freedom and the model of government both set forth by the United States and its democratic republic form of government. For a peaceful and free Syria to be established, it must be founded upon a Constitution and a Bill of Rights to ensure individual rights as well as a stable democratic republic. The new federal form of government in Syria should be one which does not provide for majority or minority rule, but rather a form of government that can work only with the cooperation of all citizens of a free society. The local governments must have rights in order to better serve their populace, but still restricted by the federal Constitution and Bill of Rights. The best form of government is one in which the bargaining table is used to further freedoms rather than restrict them. The following must be ensured if Syria is to remain a peaceful state free from a totalitarian government: Individual freedoms Democratic process Federal system to guarantee rights of Kurds as second largest ethnic group Guarantee of rights of minorities from ethnic and religious minorities No monopoly by any ethnic or religious group Freedom of religions Separation of power between the branches of government Separation of religion from government Civilian rule and neutrality of military Guarantee of rights of non-religious from majority religious Equality of men and women"
The new flag that has been placed in the article is not the flag of Syrian Kurdistan. It is the flag of the PYD political party which is affiliated with the PKK. See the following discussion [5]. This is the one solid reliable source that I was able to find that indicates that the added flag is a PKK affiliated flag [6]. Most protest images from the Kurdish region of Syria indicate that the flag with the sun is the flag most identified with Syrian Kurdistan. Also, I believe this article [7] explains why there are two competing flags in different images at the moment. Guest2625 ( talk) 03:00, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm not completely sure who that flag represents. According to the only reliable source [12], it's a PKK affiliated flag. I don't feel comfortable saying much else since it would involve speculation. The PKK and its affiliates I believe have multiple flags which you can see by doing a google image search [13]. Also, to state that it is the flag of Syrian Kurdistan I think would be deceptive since that flag only began to appear in images once armed action began in the Kurdish areas. Currently, the strongest fighting force among the Syrian Kurds are PKK related fighters and that's why their affiliated flag I believe is beginning to appear. When there were only peaceful protests in the area, which large segments of the Syrian Kurdish population participated in, there were only flags with the sun being displayed [14]. However, it should be noted that in the NPR story the image does show people with red, yellow and green head bands. Without more reliable sources, it's going to be hard to figure who that flag represents and how to label it. The flag with the sun, however, from numerous earlier protest images indicates Syrian Kurds identify with it. Guest2625 ( talk) 02:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
User Guest2625 has repeatedly added to the article that the areas where Kurds live in are "Kurdish areas". They are not. These claims are not in any way following real history and instead going by Kurdish narrative propaganda that is not following real history or factual events. Those ares has never in history "been Kurdish" or been part of any made up name "Syrian Kurdistan" or "Kurdistan". -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 12:49, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, for pointing out the poor wording. I changed it to inhabited to reflect the wording of the BBC report. Guest2625 ( talk) 13:18, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
No kidding. Guest2625 - if you want to make a point, you must be able to complete a thought. Let me clear it up for you. Kurds do exist. FACT. Kurds do exist in Syria, Turkey, Iraq. FACT. Kurds had a history of making all 3 of those countries what they are. FACT. Kurds have been persecuted by the very countries they helped defend. FACT. The Kurds deserve a piece of this world to call their own, a piece of land that is theirs and no other country can claim. They have been screwed by every country they have trusted, including America, and they deserve a small piece of land to call their own. The Kurds are deserving of support from America after the screwing they got from us during the Trump withdrawl.
I think it's funny when 300 Russian troops with 300 Syrian fighters attacked a station of 500 Marines in Syria, almost no news organizations even reported it. Odd? Those 500 Marines were there to support Kurdish troops in the north of Syria. When attacked, the Marines killed every Russian and Syrian attacker. No Americans were killed. There were a few minor injuries.
Russia was so shocked by how badly their troops performed; they deny it ever happened. A week later Trump pulled all US troops out of Syria and abandoned our Kurdish allies.
Are the Kurds a perfect people? I'm gonna say no, Are American's a perfect people? I'm gonna say no. All cultures, all peoples - have made mistakes. But as getting screwed, the Kurds have to get the award for trusting people who screw u in the ass.
I think the major assholes (Syria, Turkey, Iraq) can kick in a bit of land and finally give the Kurds a homeland. Only fair since each country used them when it benefited them, then persecuted them once they were no longer useful.
Hi!
I'm inviting editors to participate in the discussion to move the article 'Syrian Kurdistan' to 'Rojava'. My rationale is: This article is about a region governed by the PYD, which calls the area Rojava. Foreign press also uses this term, for example [15] (BBC) [16] (Guardian) [17] (Independent) [18] (VICE). Other examples on Wikipedia such as Kosovo (not South Serbia), Catalonia (not Catalonian Spain) or Scotland (not Scottish United Kingdom) indicate this article should be called Rojava as per convention. Thanks Genjix ( talk) 19:04, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
This statement was deleted: Kurds were responsible for most of the atrocities against Assyrians, and Kurdish expansion happened at the expense of Assyrians. [1] [2]
First of all, this statement is against
WP:NEUTRAL, this is because Kurdish expansion happened at the expense is absolutely not neutral and not confirmed by the source which were added (The second source is dead). Also, the first source is not reliable source, read the
Assyrian Genocide article, there is reliable sources and the article with its content is against the claim that Kurds were responsible... According to the Assyrian genocide article and its sources, the Kurds were not responsible for most of the atrocities.
Ferakp (
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Maybe cause you edit Rojava for breakfast I got confused. We had the discussion about Arabs in Rojava here.. Damn Arabs dont live where the genocide happened. Did Arabs, Circassians, Persians and Kurds participated ?? NO... the Majority were Kurds, the Hamydiey troops. ring a bill ? You wont restore a thing this time. Go bring a source that says there were arabs with saied Agha.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 19:58, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your generous offer. This isnt a bazaar !!! Now we will repeat our old discussion that we had months ago. The paragraph is mentioned to explain why did Assyrians appeared in Syrian Jazira. Every thing will remain the same but you can add that some arabs attacked the refugees who arrived in Syria although this had nothing to do with the migration caused by Kurds !! it isnt like the Kurds were acting as faithful servants and had no interest in the genocide :) start being faithful to the sources.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 20:25, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
fled further where -_- they settled in Jazira for god sake. see the Hamidiye article and take a look at the names of tribes. Im sure they are more familiar to you than to me since Im not an Arab and have no tribe. Please, its time for some sources about the Assyrians killed in Syria by Arabs. Just tell me tha name of one massacre or one village or one event and bring a source.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 20:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
The statement
is confirmed by the source on page 199. The fact does not have to be "neutral", it has only to be sourced correctly. The publication itself is even much more scholarly than most of the other sources used in this article! See a book review. -- 92.106.112.233 ( talk) 19:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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Following statements were removed:
Kurdish tribes attacked and sacked Assyrian and Armenian villages in Albaq District immdeiately to the north of Hakkari mountains, killing large numbers of villagers. [1] Syriacs began to immigrate from Syria after the Amuda massacre of August 9, 1937. This massacre, carried out by the Kurd Saeed Agha, emptied the city of its Syriac population, and the town became completely Kurdish. [2]
In 1941, the Assyrian community of
al-Malikiyah was subjected to a vicious assault. Even though the assault failed, Assyrians were terrorized and left in large numbers, and the immigration of Kurds from Turkey to the area have resulted in a Kurdish majority in Amuda, al-Malikiyah, and
al-Darbasiyah.
[3]
Problems and reasons why they were removed:
1. As-Safir newspapers articles are not reliable, per
WP:REALIABLE.
2. Blogspot is used as as sources, it is not a reliable source, per
WP:REALIABLE.
3. Kurdish tribes attacked and sacked Assyrian... has nothing to do with the article and its content. Adding attacks on specific people to another people is not a good idea, I believe German, Turkish, Arab articles will be full of those details if we go with such logic. Also, it is not related to even another paragraph.
Reasons why they were deleted were because of
WP:FAKE,
WP:REALIABLE, Cherry picking,
WP:NPOV and
WP:ORIGINAL.
Ferakp (
talk) 18:23, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
And what is the issue with this?: Kurdish tribes attacked and sacked Assyrian and Armenian villages in Albaq District immdeiately to the north of Hakkari mountains, killing large numbers of villagers. [1]
The quote is factual and sourced to page 19f. of the book. -- 92.106.112.233 ( talk) 20:49, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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Dear editors interested in the topic, there is a ongoing discussion on balance and deletion of content in the Human rights in Rojava article. It would be appreciated if some of you would be willing to contribute to solving issues, concerning deletions of material in the article as well as not least in the talk page discussion. -- 2A1ZA ( talk) 15:21, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
The claim that it has been abandoned by the government is a serious claim that need several reliable sources. The government had abandoned only a few towns and cities but never completely abandoned them as it is still there. The vast majority of Rojava territory has been captured from ISIS with the support of coalition. Ferakp ( talk) 18:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
This article is about the Kurds in Syria, not Rojava or Northern Syria. There were too much information which weren't relevant at all. They were related to the demographics of some cities and towns. Also, some sections had too much details that didn't really help the article at all. Ferakp ( talk) 08:38, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
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It was claimed that removing the word "traditional" as a description for the name Rojava is original research. Also, it was claimed that mentioning that Kurdish nationalists consider the Kurdish inhabited regions of Syria part of Kurdistan is original research. Therefore, I ask for reliable academic sources attesting: 1- the usage of the name Rojava since a period long enough for it to be considered traditional (I know that it came to use after the war, so 7 years ago, hardly long enough for it to be traditional) 2- A source listing those regions as part of proper Kurdistan according to non Kurdish official authorities or renowned historians.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 16:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Amr, you seem to be labouring under a misapprehension. The reference doesn't say that 40% of the population of Aleppo Governorate are Kurds, rather that 40% of Syrian Kurds live there. Konli17 ( talk) 19:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm at somewhat of a loss, as an edit of mine has been reverted seemingly because it included the sentence "Many Kurds seek political autonomy for what they regard as Western Kurdistan". This is being described as POV-pushing. Can anyone tell me what POV they believe this sentence pushes? Konli17 ( talk) 20:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Amr, you've reverted more than once on this page today, violating the sanctions in place over Syrian war-related articles. Best revert back before you attract the attention of anyone inclined to apply those sanctions. Engage here instead. Konli17 ( talk) 18:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Amr, I've no objection to a discussion of the different estimates of Kurdistan's Syrian population, but the lede isn't the place for that. Also, please read WP:VANDALISM and stop referring to my edits as such. Konli17 ( talk) 20:03, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
or being made up by you,and the nature of your edits shows your POV spirit and motivation. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 23:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
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The CIA map is incorrect. The Kurdish population is not represented well for example in Syria. Here for one example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_Hamis You can clearly see that Kurds do not make up majority in all of this region, its actually about half. /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 02:23, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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Extremely badly written 5.173.41.41 ( talk) 00:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
The second sentence in the lede reads: "A portion of Syrian Kurds are originally Turkish Kurds who have crossed the border during different events in the 20th century.<ref name="Storm">". This is incorrect, since the Storm states the following (on P475): "The majority of the Kurds in Syria are originally Turkish Kurds, who left Turkey in the 1920s in order to escape the harsh repression of the Kurds in that country." So, changing "The majority" to "A portion" is at least misleading. The page is protected so I was not able to modify it myself. New Aramean ( talk) 21:45, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello all,
I'd like to raise a concern regarding a statement in the article asserting that "The majority of Syrian Kurds are originally Turkish Kurds who have crossed the border during different events in the 20th century." This claim, solely supported by a single, weak source with limited coverage, warrants a closer look.
The credibility of a claim of this nature hinges on robust evidence. The current claim is backed by a solitary source that appears to be inadequately substantiated. A single, unsupported source does not adequately establish a generalization about the origins of Syrian Kurds. (And there has been issues with this bit of text before, it is quite a serious claim.)
Furthermore, it's vital to recognize that the provided source appears to be confined to a single page. Attempting to encapsulate the complex origins of a significant population within a single page lacks the depth required to provide a well-rounded understanding. For such a significant claim, it is imperative that we gather a diverse array of well-established sources. This includes consulting in-depth studies and scholarly works that delve into the complexities of Kurdish migration and settlement.
In light of these considerations, I propose a reevaluation of the claim in the article. A more comprehensive and well-supported analysis of Syrian Kurdish origins would greatly enhance the accuracy and depth of the information we present. Krqftan ( talk) 05:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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Article is one sided and should undergo major improvement. -- Cool Cat Talk| @ 17:51, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Why is there no mention that the Kurds in Syria are Marxists? https://www.marxist.com/turkey-attacks-afrin.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hpfeil ( talk • contribs) 23:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
The catgeory does not apply to this article as Kurds in Syria is about a group of people not a region. Heja Helweda 03:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I just finished removing bias from this article. It is notable that almost all of the article was violating copyrights. I rewrote the article and neutralized it. The claims of suppression are not facts, they are claims fro certain organizations and that should be always noted. The background of the citizenship controversy was included; it is clear that the creator of the article, or the section, presented the issue in an anti-Syrian, one-sided way. Please discuss any changes here before making them. Regards, Anas talk? 15:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Who said that northeastern Syria is called Syrian Kurdistan?!! When you say so, you give the impression that Kurds are the only inhabitants of that region, which is completely untrue. I live in northeastern Syria and particularly in Hassakeh and Kurds are not the only inhabitants of this region nor they form the majority there. There are other ethnicities like Armenians, Chaldeans, Syriacs, Assyrians and Arabs or Shawaya as we call them here. Unfortunately I don’t have a reliable reference to include but I LIVE THERE and this is a live testimony. You are an encyclopedia, that means that you have to be neutral and away from any political agenda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.178.224.165 ( talk) 11:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
You may be of the opinion that as a geographical region "Syrian Kurdistan" "does not exist and has never existed", but that does not matter. The term does exist, as Anthony Hyman has written in Elusive Kurdistan, the struggle for recognition, pg. 11:
It says in the demographics that the kurds in Syrian kurdistan came from Turkey. Thats not true the kurds is Syrian kurdistan has always been there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrkurdistan ( talk • contribs) 05:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Source says the majority of Kurds in Syria came from Turkey.-- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 21:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
What sources Supreme Deliciousness?. Those who say that kurds does not exist, does who says that there is no kurdistan and kurds are only foreigners in their own lands???. doent you see that Wikipedia is only trying to get rid of kurdish culture, tradion and language and everything that the kurds are about. Know that the kurds have always been in Kurdistan and Kurdistan is only ours.Peace — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrkurdistan ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
In this edit: [2], an IP removes "The majority of Kurds in Syria originally came from Turkey in the 1920s." and its source with the edit summary: "false assertion made by unreliable source"
The source is Youssef M. Choueiri (2005). A companion to the history of the Middle East (Hardcover ed.). Wiley-Blackwell. p. 475. ISBN 1405106816.
Dr. Choueiri: BA (American University of Beirut), MSc (SOAS, University of London) PhD (Corpus Christi College, University of Cambridge), Reader In Islamic Studies at the University of Manchester:
[3]
Book is published by: Wiley-Blackwell: "Wiley-Blackwell is the international scientific, technical, medical, and scholarly publishing business of John Wiley & Sons, with strengths in every major academic and professional field and partnerships with many of the world's leading societies. Wiley-Blackwell publishes nearly 1,500 peer-reviewed journals and 1,500+ new books annually in print and online, as well as databases, major reference works and laboratory protocols." [4]
This demonstrates that the source is reliable and the argument that its a "false assertion" is not backed up by anything. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:21, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
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I removed this piece from the article for a very simple reason. It doesn't state anything important. It is a political message for a party in Syria/Syrian Kurdistan.
Piece: "Kurdistan National Assembly of Syria Kurdistan National Assembly of Syria an umbrella organization for Syrian Kurdistan Region that seeks freedom, peace, and democracy for Syria. In addition, it seeks a federal system for Syria where Kurds would be granted their national rights to govern themselves. Our vision to have a new Federal government in Syria. The new Syrian government should be modeled after, but not a direct copy of, the principles of freedom and the model of government both set forth by the United States and its democratic republic form of government. For a peaceful and free Syria to be established, it must be founded upon a Constitution and a Bill of Rights to ensure individual rights as well as a stable democratic republic. The new federal form of government in Syria should be one which does not provide for majority or minority rule, but rather a form of government that can work only with the cooperation of all citizens of a free society. The local governments must have rights in order to better serve their populace, but still restricted by the federal Constitution and Bill of Rights. The best form of government is one in which the bargaining table is used to further freedoms rather than restrict them. The following must be ensured if Syria is to remain a peaceful state free from a totalitarian government: Individual freedoms Democratic process Federal system to guarantee rights of Kurds as second largest ethnic group Guarantee of rights of minorities from ethnic and religious minorities No monopoly by any ethnic or religious group Freedom of religions Separation of power between the branches of government Separation of religion from government Civilian rule and neutrality of military Guarantee of rights of non-religious from majority religious Equality of men and women"
The new flag that has been placed in the article is not the flag of Syrian Kurdistan. It is the flag of the PYD political party which is affiliated with the PKK. See the following discussion [5]. This is the one solid reliable source that I was able to find that indicates that the added flag is a PKK affiliated flag [6]. Most protest images from the Kurdish region of Syria indicate that the flag with the sun is the flag most identified with Syrian Kurdistan. Also, I believe this article [7] explains why there are two competing flags in different images at the moment. Guest2625 ( talk) 03:00, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm not completely sure who that flag represents. According to the only reliable source [12], it's a PKK affiliated flag. I don't feel comfortable saying much else since it would involve speculation. The PKK and its affiliates I believe have multiple flags which you can see by doing a google image search [13]. Also, to state that it is the flag of Syrian Kurdistan I think would be deceptive since that flag only began to appear in images once armed action began in the Kurdish areas. Currently, the strongest fighting force among the Syrian Kurds are PKK related fighters and that's why their affiliated flag I believe is beginning to appear. When there were only peaceful protests in the area, which large segments of the Syrian Kurdish population participated in, there were only flags with the sun being displayed [14]. However, it should be noted that in the NPR story the image does show people with red, yellow and green head bands. Without more reliable sources, it's going to be hard to figure who that flag represents and how to label it. The flag with the sun, however, from numerous earlier protest images indicates Syrian Kurds identify with it. Guest2625 ( talk) 02:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
User Guest2625 has repeatedly added to the article that the areas where Kurds live in are "Kurdish areas". They are not. These claims are not in any way following real history and instead going by Kurdish narrative propaganda that is not following real history or factual events. Those ares has never in history "been Kurdish" or been part of any made up name "Syrian Kurdistan" or "Kurdistan". -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 12:49, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, for pointing out the poor wording. I changed it to inhabited to reflect the wording of the BBC report. Guest2625 ( talk) 13:18, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
No kidding. Guest2625 - if you want to make a point, you must be able to complete a thought. Let me clear it up for you. Kurds do exist. FACT. Kurds do exist in Syria, Turkey, Iraq. FACT. Kurds had a history of making all 3 of those countries what they are. FACT. Kurds have been persecuted by the very countries they helped defend. FACT. The Kurds deserve a piece of this world to call their own, a piece of land that is theirs and no other country can claim. They have been screwed by every country they have trusted, including America, and they deserve a small piece of land to call their own. The Kurds are deserving of support from America after the screwing they got from us during the Trump withdrawl.
I think it's funny when 300 Russian troops with 300 Syrian fighters attacked a station of 500 Marines in Syria, almost no news organizations even reported it. Odd? Those 500 Marines were there to support Kurdish troops in the north of Syria. When attacked, the Marines killed every Russian and Syrian attacker. No Americans were killed. There were a few minor injuries.
Russia was so shocked by how badly their troops performed; they deny it ever happened. A week later Trump pulled all US troops out of Syria and abandoned our Kurdish allies.
Are the Kurds a perfect people? I'm gonna say no, Are American's a perfect people? I'm gonna say no. All cultures, all peoples - have made mistakes. But as getting screwed, the Kurds have to get the award for trusting people who screw u in the ass.
I think the major assholes (Syria, Turkey, Iraq) can kick in a bit of land and finally give the Kurds a homeland. Only fair since each country used them when it benefited them, then persecuted them once they were no longer useful.
Hi!
I'm inviting editors to participate in the discussion to move the article 'Syrian Kurdistan' to 'Rojava'. My rationale is: This article is about a region governed by the PYD, which calls the area Rojava. Foreign press also uses this term, for example [15] (BBC) [16] (Guardian) [17] (Independent) [18] (VICE). Other examples on Wikipedia such as Kosovo (not South Serbia), Catalonia (not Catalonian Spain) or Scotland (not Scottish United Kingdom) indicate this article should be called Rojava as per convention. Thanks Genjix ( talk) 19:04, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
This statement was deleted: Kurds were responsible for most of the atrocities against Assyrians, and Kurdish expansion happened at the expense of Assyrians. [1] [2]
First of all, this statement is against
WP:NEUTRAL, this is because Kurdish expansion happened at the expense is absolutely not neutral and not confirmed by the source which were added (The second source is dead). Also, the first source is not reliable source, read the
Assyrian Genocide article, there is reliable sources and the article with its content is against the claim that Kurds were responsible... According to the Assyrian genocide article and its sources, the Kurds were not responsible for most of the atrocities.
Ferakp (
talk) 18:00, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Maybe cause you edit Rojava for breakfast I got confused. We had the discussion about Arabs in Rojava here.. Damn Arabs dont live where the genocide happened. Did Arabs, Circassians, Persians and Kurds participated ?? NO... the Majority were Kurds, the Hamydiey troops. ring a bill ? You wont restore a thing this time. Go bring a source that says there were arabs with saied Agha.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 19:58, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your generous offer. This isnt a bazaar !!! Now we will repeat our old discussion that we had months ago. The paragraph is mentioned to explain why did Assyrians appeared in Syrian Jazira. Every thing will remain the same but you can add that some arabs attacked the refugees who arrived in Syria although this had nothing to do with the migration caused by Kurds !! it isnt like the Kurds were acting as faithful servants and had no interest in the genocide :) start being faithful to the sources.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 20:25, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
fled further where -_- they settled in Jazira for god sake. see the Hamidiye article and take a look at the names of tribes. Im sure they are more familiar to you than to me since Im not an Arab and have no tribe. Please, its time for some sources about the Assyrians killed in Syria by Arabs. Just tell me tha name of one massacre or one village or one event and bring a source.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 20:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
The statement
is confirmed by the source on page 199. The fact does not have to be "neutral", it has only to be sourced correctly. The publication itself is even much more scholarly than most of the other sources used in this article! See a book review. -- 92.106.112.233 ( talk) 19:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
References
Following statements were removed:
Kurdish tribes attacked and sacked Assyrian and Armenian villages in Albaq District immdeiately to the north of Hakkari mountains, killing large numbers of villagers. [1] Syriacs began to immigrate from Syria after the Amuda massacre of August 9, 1937. This massacre, carried out by the Kurd Saeed Agha, emptied the city of its Syriac population, and the town became completely Kurdish. [2]
In 1941, the Assyrian community of
al-Malikiyah was subjected to a vicious assault. Even though the assault failed, Assyrians were terrorized and left in large numbers, and the immigration of Kurds from Turkey to the area have resulted in a Kurdish majority in Amuda, al-Malikiyah, and
al-Darbasiyah.
[3]
Problems and reasons why they were removed:
1. As-Safir newspapers articles are not reliable, per
WP:REALIABLE.
2. Blogspot is used as as sources, it is not a reliable source, per
WP:REALIABLE.
3. Kurdish tribes attacked and sacked Assyrian... has nothing to do with the article and its content. Adding attacks on specific people to another people is not a good idea, I believe German, Turkish, Arab articles will be full of those details if we go with such logic. Also, it is not related to even another paragraph.
Reasons why they were deleted were because of
WP:FAKE,
WP:REALIABLE, Cherry picking,
WP:NPOV and
WP:ORIGINAL.
Ferakp (
talk) 18:23, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
And what is the issue with this?: Kurdish tribes attacked and sacked Assyrian and Armenian villages in Albaq District immdeiately to the north of Hakkari mountains, killing large numbers of villagers. [1]
The quote is factual and sourced to page 19f. of the book. -- 92.106.112.233 ( talk) 20:49, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
References
Dear editors interested in the topic, there is a ongoing discussion on balance and deletion of content in the Human rights in Rojava article. It would be appreciated if some of you would be willing to contribute to solving issues, concerning deletions of material in the article as well as not least in the talk page discussion. -- 2A1ZA ( talk) 15:21, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
The claim that it has been abandoned by the government is a serious claim that need several reliable sources. The government had abandoned only a few towns and cities but never completely abandoned them as it is still there. The vast majority of Rojava territory has been captured from ISIS with the support of coalition. Ferakp ( talk) 18:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
This article is about the Kurds in Syria, not Rojava or Northern Syria. There were too much information which weren't relevant at all. They were related to the demographics of some cities and towns. Also, some sections had too much details that didn't really help the article at all. Ferakp ( talk) 08:38, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
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It was claimed that removing the word "traditional" as a description for the name Rojava is original research. Also, it was claimed that mentioning that Kurdish nationalists consider the Kurdish inhabited regions of Syria part of Kurdistan is original research. Therefore, I ask for reliable academic sources attesting: 1- the usage of the name Rojava since a period long enough for it to be considered traditional (I know that it came to use after the war, so 7 years ago, hardly long enough for it to be traditional) 2- A source listing those regions as part of proper Kurdistan according to non Kurdish official authorities or renowned historians.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 16:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Amr, you seem to be labouring under a misapprehension. The reference doesn't say that 40% of the population of Aleppo Governorate are Kurds, rather that 40% of Syrian Kurds live there. Konli17 ( talk) 19:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm at somewhat of a loss, as an edit of mine has been reverted seemingly because it included the sentence "Many Kurds seek political autonomy for what they regard as Western Kurdistan". This is being described as POV-pushing. Can anyone tell me what POV they believe this sentence pushes? Konli17 ( talk) 20:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Amr, you've reverted more than once on this page today, violating the sanctions in place over Syrian war-related articles. Best revert back before you attract the attention of anyone inclined to apply those sanctions. Engage here instead. Konli17 ( talk) 18:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Amr, I've no objection to a discussion of the different estimates of Kurdistan's Syrian population, but the lede isn't the place for that. Also, please read WP:VANDALISM and stop referring to my edits as such. Konli17 ( talk) 20:03, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
or being made up by you,and the nature of your edits shows your POV spirit and motivation. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 23:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
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The CIA map is incorrect. The Kurdish population is not represented well for example in Syria. Here for one example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_Hamis You can clearly see that Kurds do not make up majority in all of this region, its actually about half. /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 02:23, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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Extremely badly written 5.173.41.41 ( talk) 00:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
The second sentence in the lede reads: "A portion of Syrian Kurds are originally Turkish Kurds who have crossed the border during different events in the 20th century.<ref name="Storm">". This is incorrect, since the Storm states the following (on P475): "The majority of the Kurds in Syria are originally Turkish Kurds, who left Turkey in the 1920s in order to escape the harsh repression of the Kurds in that country." So, changing "The majority" to "A portion" is at least misleading. The page is protected so I was not able to modify it myself. New Aramean ( talk) 21:45, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello all,
I'd like to raise a concern regarding a statement in the article asserting that "The majority of Syrian Kurds are originally Turkish Kurds who have crossed the border during different events in the 20th century." This claim, solely supported by a single, weak source with limited coverage, warrants a closer look.
The credibility of a claim of this nature hinges on robust evidence. The current claim is backed by a solitary source that appears to be inadequately substantiated. A single, unsupported source does not adequately establish a generalization about the origins of Syrian Kurds. (And there has been issues with this bit of text before, it is quite a serious claim.)
Furthermore, it's vital to recognize that the provided source appears to be confined to a single page. Attempting to encapsulate the complex origins of a significant population within a single page lacks the depth required to provide a well-rounded understanding. For such a significant claim, it is imperative that we gather a diverse array of well-established sources. This includes consulting in-depth studies and scholarly works that delve into the complexities of Kurdish migration and settlement.
In light of these considerations, I propose a reevaluation of the claim in the article. A more comprehensive and well-supported analysis of Syrian Kurdish origins would greatly enhance the accuracy and depth of the information we present. Krqftan ( talk) 05:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)