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Former version: Bucharest, Hungary. Was it Bucharest or Budapest? -- Halibutt 07:00, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
as most likely case, pending certainty. -- Jerzy 23:37, 2004 Jan 13 (UTC)
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If she escaped by stealth, or by seducing and/or murdering her guards, or was rescued by the Resistance while being moved for interrogation (as happened in the case of Jean Moulin), that is worth saying unambiguously; if she merely was released by seeming innocent, that too should be said. -- Jerzy 23:37, 2004 Jan 13 (UTC)
reading about the women the thought she might be a double agent means so many differant things but the truth will always be hidden so how do we find the truth and what about her life befor the war
What was wrong with the picture and why was it removed? [[User:Halibutt| Halibu tt]] 21:38, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)
i have recently completed writing the manuscript for what I hope will be the definitive biography of Krystyna. She was definitely not a double-agent. Her accuser was a Polish officer of the Szosty Oddzial (Sixth Bureau) who could not stand to have someone as charismatic as Krystyna on his patch (Cairo). None of the rumours he spread about her were ever confirmed and she was eventually re-instated as an SOE operative.
By the way, Krystyna was NOT born in 1915, but earlier, and not in Mlodzieszyn. Her birth and baptismal certificates have been located in Poland. When I find a publisher for my manuscript I will correct what has been written about her in Wikipedia (which I fully support). Ron Nowicki
Also, I was interested in your comment about the VI Bureau officer - were you able to identify him? Are you suggesting his comments were the sole reason for SOE barring her and Kennedy from further Polish work? My understanding was that the govt in exile's decision to distance itself from independent intelligence networks was probably politically motivated, not the result of suspicions over individuals (although allegations about individuals like Krystyna would have provided a useful excuse).( Spirit2409 ( talk) 19:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC))
The Krystyna Skarbek line of the Skarbek family doesn't have an aristocratic title. They wasn't counts, just szlachta (nobility), but used the title only for glamour and money. by J.S. Dunin-Borkowski, Almanach błękitny, Lwów 1909. Archiwum Główne Akt Dawnych, Heroldia. Kowalmistrz 16:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, I think she didn't know that ;) I don't know why the Skarbeks from Krystyna's line do not have the title. My friend found that info in a book about Polish heraldy, some Polish historians made a research in archives. We can read about it in some articles, like in Polityka (current issue ;)). Kowalmistrz 10:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC) Omajgot, przeciez jestes Polakiem. Sorry. W Polityce jest fajny art. o niej. Pozdrawiam w j. ojczystym :] Kowalmistrz 10:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 18:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Could anyone confirm her birthplace? Currently the place mentioned in the article does not seem Polish at all. Was it Młodzieszyn? Halibu tt 17:25, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)
1952-1915=37, yet the article goes on to say she was 44. TJSwoboda ( talk) 16:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
source: www.eduskrypt.plurodziła się 1 maja 1908 w Warszawie
It's good that the " Krystyna Skarbek" article now again includes a photo of its subject. This photo, however, would appear to be a colorized and slightly cropped version of the black-and-white photo opposite p. 27 in Madeleine Masson's 1975 book, Christine: A Search for Christine Granville. The colors in our version are not convincing; a black-and-white original would be preferable. Nihil novi ( talk) 15:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Krystyna Skarbek, urodziła się 1 maja 1908 r. w majątku Trzepnica, ok. 25 km na południe od Piotrkowa Trybunalskiego. W styczniu 1941 r. została aresztowana w Budapeszcie przez działające na Węgrzech gestapo, ale dzięki symulacji gruźlicy została wypuszczona. Wtedy Owen O'Malley, brytyjski ambasador, wystawił jej fałszywe dokumenty na nazwisko Christine Granville, ur. 1 maja 1915 r., odmładzając ją o siedem lat. Ta nowa legalizacyjna data przyjmowana jest przez wielu autorów i błędnie podawana w opracowaniach jako faktyczna data urodzenia Krystyny, taką też wyryto na jej nagrobku) źródło: Bezpłatny dodatek tygodnika Polityka, Pomocnik Historyczny, nr 4, 27 stycznia 2007. Artykuł "Mucha Jej Królewskiej Mości", Jan Larecki, str.22. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zielonabrama ( talk • contribs) 12:29, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Someone is incorrectly changing Krystyna Skarbek's birth year in the article from 1908 to 1915, without giving a justification on this talk page and in defiance of two well researched sources that are cited — recent books by Clare Mulley and Jan Larecki — which demonstrate that she was born in 1908. If this behavior continues, the article should be protected against such unwarranted interventions. Nihil novi ( talk) 06:34, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Well better tell the Military channel who did a show on her that, they have her dying at age 37 in 1952. (The Secret War, first air 3-13-12) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.254.200 ( talk) 08:14, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
The affair with Ian Fleming is apparently fictitious, and McCormick's biography cannot be relied upon. See: http://jeremyduns.net/2011/02/24/licence-to-hoax/ Tanzeelat ( talk) 12:15, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the sentence "The process of how Krystyna Skarbek was recruited by the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) is told only in Ron Nowicki's biography of Christine Granville (THE ELUSIVE MADAME G, A LIFE OF CHRISTINE GRANVILLE). [pp. 34-44] None of the other English-language biographies have investigated this process." on the basis that it is not encyclopedic content. However someone may wish to check the reference and perhaps extract something that can be added to the article. 85.210.166.9 ( talk) 13:01, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Any claims about beauty, going out at bars, modelling, beauty contest and anything of that sort are complete bollocks, despite the numerous sources. The idea of female beauty is very modern. Contests didn't exist then. In one photo, she looks more man than woman! If Skarbek was alive (she would be 114!) she would instantly delete anything that said about beauty. This hoax is related to the Ian Fleming hoax, which says that she had an affair with Ian Fleming, who was inspired to write James Bond after her, with James Bond being inspired by Skarbek's spy side and the Bond girls after her alleged beauty side. 2620:0:861:10B:10:64:132:9 ( talk) 11:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
There is a serious overreliance on the work of Clare Mulley, whose book published in 2012 provides practically every reference. Wikipedia articles should be scholarly, rather than some regurgitated summary of a particular author's book. 78.143.220.89 ( talk) 03:32, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
In what way? How is this relevant to the topic? Should it be deleted? Jontel ( talk) 06:04, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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Former version: Bucharest, Hungary. Was it Bucharest or Budapest? -- Halibutt 07:00, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
as most likely case, pending certainty. -- Jerzy 23:37, 2004 Jan 13 (UTC)
Text, left intact in 'graph 3, is
If she escaped by stealth, or by seducing and/or murdering her guards, or was rescued by the Resistance while being moved for interrogation (as happened in the case of Jean Moulin), that is worth saying unambiguously; if she merely was released by seeming innocent, that too should be said. -- Jerzy 23:37, 2004 Jan 13 (UTC)
reading about the women the thought she might be a double agent means so many differant things but the truth will always be hidden so how do we find the truth and what about her life befor the war
What was wrong with the picture and why was it removed? [[User:Halibutt| Halibu tt]] 21:38, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)
i have recently completed writing the manuscript for what I hope will be the definitive biography of Krystyna. She was definitely not a double-agent. Her accuser was a Polish officer of the Szosty Oddzial (Sixth Bureau) who could not stand to have someone as charismatic as Krystyna on his patch (Cairo). None of the rumours he spread about her were ever confirmed and she was eventually re-instated as an SOE operative.
By the way, Krystyna was NOT born in 1915, but earlier, and not in Mlodzieszyn. Her birth and baptismal certificates have been located in Poland. When I find a publisher for my manuscript I will correct what has been written about her in Wikipedia (which I fully support). Ron Nowicki
Also, I was interested in your comment about the VI Bureau officer - were you able to identify him? Are you suggesting his comments were the sole reason for SOE barring her and Kennedy from further Polish work? My understanding was that the govt in exile's decision to distance itself from independent intelligence networks was probably politically motivated, not the result of suspicions over individuals (although allegations about individuals like Krystyna would have provided a useful excuse).( Spirit2409 ( talk) 19:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC))
The Krystyna Skarbek line of the Skarbek family doesn't have an aristocratic title. They wasn't counts, just szlachta (nobility), but used the title only for glamour and money. by J.S. Dunin-Borkowski, Almanach błękitny, Lwów 1909. Archiwum Główne Akt Dawnych, Heroldia. Kowalmistrz 16:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, I think she didn't know that ;) I don't know why the Skarbeks from Krystyna's line do not have the title. My friend found that info in a book about Polish heraldy, some Polish historians made a research in archives. We can read about it in some articles, like in Polityka (current issue ;)). Kowalmistrz 10:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC) Omajgot, przeciez jestes Polakiem. Sorry. W Polityce jest fajny art. o niej. Pozdrawiam w j. ojczystym :] Kowalmistrz 10:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 18:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Could anyone confirm her birthplace? Currently the place mentioned in the article does not seem Polish at all. Was it Młodzieszyn? Halibu tt 17:25, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)
1952-1915=37, yet the article goes on to say she was 44. TJSwoboda ( talk) 16:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
source: www.eduskrypt.plurodziła się 1 maja 1908 w Warszawie
It's good that the " Krystyna Skarbek" article now again includes a photo of its subject. This photo, however, would appear to be a colorized and slightly cropped version of the black-and-white photo opposite p. 27 in Madeleine Masson's 1975 book, Christine: A Search for Christine Granville. The colors in our version are not convincing; a black-and-white original would be preferable. Nihil novi ( talk) 15:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Krystyna Skarbek, urodziła się 1 maja 1908 r. w majątku Trzepnica, ok. 25 km na południe od Piotrkowa Trybunalskiego. W styczniu 1941 r. została aresztowana w Budapeszcie przez działające na Węgrzech gestapo, ale dzięki symulacji gruźlicy została wypuszczona. Wtedy Owen O'Malley, brytyjski ambasador, wystawił jej fałszywe dokumenty na nazwisko Christine Granville, ur. 1 maja 1915 r., odmładzając ją o siedem lat. Ta nowa legalizacyjna data przyjmowana jest przez wielu autorów i błędnie podawana w opracowaniach jako faktyczna data urodzenia Krystyny, taką też wyryto na jej nagrobku) źródło: Bezpłatny dodatek tygodnika Polityka, Pomocnik Historyczny, nr 4, 27 stycznia 2007. Artykuł "Mucha Jej Królewskiej Mości", Jan Larecki, str.22. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zielonabrama ( talk • contribs) 12:29, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Someone is incorrectly changing Krystyna Skarbek's birth year in the article from 1908 to 1915, without giving a justification on this talk page and in defiance of two well researched sources that are cited — recent books by Clare Mulley and Jan Larecki — which demonstrate that she was born in 1908. If this behavior continues, the article should be protected against such unwarranted interventions. Nihil novi ( talk) 06:34, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Well better tell the Military channel who did a show on her that, they have her dying at age 37 in 1952. (The Secret War, first air 3-13-12) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.254.200 ( talk) 08:14, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
The affair with Ian Fleming is apparently fictitious, and McCormick's biography cannot be relied upon. See: http://jeremyduns.net/2011/02/24/licence-to-hoax/ Tanzeelat ( talk) 12:15, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the sentence "The process of how Krystyna Skarbek was recruited by the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) is told only in Ron Nowicki's biography of Christine Granville (THE ELUSIVE MADAME G, A LIFE OF CHRISTINE GRANVILLE). [pp. 34-44] None of the other English-language biographies have investigated this process." on the basis that it is not encyclopedic content. However someone may wish to check the reference and perhaps extract something that can be added to the article. 85.210.166.9 ( talk) 13:01, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Any claims about beauty, going out at bars, modelling, beauty contest and anything of that sort are complete bollocks, despite the numerous sources. The idea of female beauty is very modern. Contests didn't exist then. In one photo, she looks more man than woman! If Skarbek was alive (she would be 114!) she would instantly delete anything that said about beauty. This hoax is related to the Ian Fleming hoax, which says that she had an affair with Ian Fleming, who was inspired to write James Bond after her, with James Bond being inspired by Skarbek's spy side and the Bond girls after her alleged beauty side. 2620:0:861:10B:10:64:132:9 ( talk) 11:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
There is a serious overreliance on the work of Clare Mulley, whose book published in 2012 provides practically every reference. Wikipedia articles should be scholarly, rather than some regurgitated summary of a particular author's book. 78.143.220.89 ( talk) 03:32, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
In what way? How is this relevant to the topic? Should it be deleted? Jontel ( talk) 06:04, 7 January 2024 (UTC)