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I just watched a torrented version of this, and although the filename was 'Kill the Irishman', the title on the fim's opening and closing credits was 'Bulletproof Gangster'.
Checked IMDB. Here's link
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1416801/releaseinfo#akas
So added alternative title to main article's info box.
Fun tidbit... Val Kilmer attended the 5/27/2009 Red Wings vs. Blackhawks game wearing a Red Wings hat. Saw him in the front row on the CBC broadcast. (I'm only on this page because I saw him and wanted to find out what he was doing in town.)
Seadragon (
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MovieSet has collection of behind the scenes interviews from the Irishman set plus an archive of information from the film and still photos at: http://www.movieset.com/theirishman/ - This info can be used to update this entry using original quotes from interviews with Walken, Kilmer, Stevenson plus technical crew. -- Cinema-enthusiast ( talk) 20:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Sock ( talk · contribs) 19:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm going to have to quickfail this article. The plot section has a completely valid cleanup tag, in that it's sitting at over 1300 words. The preferred range, per
WP:FILMPLOT, is 400-700. There are extensive bare URLs in the references; very few are actually filled out. No box office section, which is necessary for theatrically released films. The infobox should not contain DVD sales, just theatrical gross. Lots of improper grammar and phrasing throughout, with some puffery thrown in the mix.
The content is more in-depth than I would've expected, and in terms of coverage, you're golden. However, this is unfortunately far away from meeting the necessary "well-written" criteria, and is in need of a lot of copy-editing and cleanup before it's ready for GA. I'd highly suggest going through, cutting the plot section in half, then taking this to the Guild of Copy Editors to clean it up. Also, try to trim some of the extraneous trivia (the "Development" section in particular is full of info that could be said in a few sentences).
Sorry, Metalfire. Best of luck for your next nomination! I'd be happy to review it again if/when you do the necessary editing.
Sock
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Reviewer: Wugapodes ( talk · contribs) 02:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
On Hold for 10 days and may be extended depending on progress. To be quite honest, I feel like this article needs a good amount of work before I'm willing to promote it to GA status, which is partly why I gave 10 days instead of the usual 7. I think it can be done if the work is put into it. A lot of attention needs to be paid to WP:OR to make sure that sources actually support the information cited as there were a number of instances where statements weren't backed up by the sources provided. Feel free to ask me any questions or for clarification. Happy Editing! Wugapodes ( talk) 04:54, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Still On Hold A lot of progress has been made, and most of the criterion 1 concerns have been fixed. The lead still needs to be rewritten to cover the reception of the film and other important aspects of the article. Most importantly, however, is the sourcing. The two examples I mentioned above are still in the article without a change of source, and the sources that were added to the Plot section are about Greene's biography not the plot of the movie. Wugapodes ( talk) 14:02, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Still On Hold The lead still needs to be rewritten to include a summary of the release and reception of the film so that the cleanup tag can be removed. The two other aspects still have some problems that I covered.
Pass I think this version passes the GA bar, however I think the next thing to do in improving the article is similar to what the last reviewer said, you should take it to the Guild of Copy Editors to really tighten up the prose as the suggestions I made were the bare minimum to make it clear and concise per the GA criteria, and there is a lot more that can be done. A general note is to be wary of unreliable sources, puffery, and original research which came up a lot in this review. With movies and mobsters, all of those can easily become big problems and can cause it to be delisted. Now don't take this as a reason to stop improving the article, there's still a lot of room to work. The article's come very far, so keep up the hard work! Wugapodes ( talk) 19:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi Wugapodes, you said that the article has passed the GA criteria (but can still do with improving), but I have just received a message on my talk page saying the article has failed to meet the criteria. Is this a mistake? or have you reverted your decision?. Thanks. Metal121, April 03, 2015. 20:25 (GMT).
Jjjjjjdddddd ( talk) 03:23, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi there, just making a note (since this is a good article) that I made some minor revisions to plot. It was pretty good so I tried not to change it too much, but addressed the following primarily:
Hope this is helpful, I am glad this is a GA since I think the movie got unfairly buried. Everybody I know in Cleveland liked it - many of us who grew up in the 70s remember the real life events very well :) TheBlinkster ( talk) 05:24, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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GA from 2015. Uses many unreliable sources and some parts aren’t formatted correctly. There are also citations in the lede that should be moved into the body. Spinixster (chat!) 00:32, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
some parts aren’t formatted correctlyWhich parts? What GA criteria specifically are at issue? Looking at the article nothing seems broken and it seems to comply with criterion 1b.
Uses many unreliable sourcesWhich sources are unreliable? Reliability is related to the claim being supported, so what claims are the sources supporting? Since nothing specific has been pointed out, I took time and went through every citation in the article:
numerous grammar issuesWhere? What kind? I just skimmed it and it seemed fine.
some questionable structuring decisionsWhat structuring decisions? What makes them questionable? The article seems to comply with criterion 1b's layout requirement, so I need more specificity to understand what makes this a GAR issue.
redundancies (particularly in the "Historical Inaccuracies" section)this is specific and actionable. These redundancies would probably be fixed by simply cutting the claims cited to unreliable sources or even just cutting that whole section. — Wug· a·po·des 00:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
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I just watched a torrented version of this, and although the filename was 'Kill the Irishman', the title on the fim's opening and closing credits was 'Bulletproof Gangster'.
Checked IMDB. Here's link
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1416801/releaseinfo#akas
So added alternative title to main article's info box.
Fun tidbit... Val Kilmer attended the 5/27/2009 Red Wings vs. Blackhawks game wearing a Red Wings hat. Saw him in the front row on the CBC broadcast. (I'm only on this page because I saw him and wanted to find out what he was doing in town.)
Seadragon (
talk) 00:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
MovieSet has collection of behind the scenes interviews from the Irishman set plus an archive of information from the film and still photos at: http://www.movieset.com/theirishman/ - This info can be used to update this entry using original quotes from interviews with Walken, Kilmer, Stevenson plus technical crew. -- Cinema-enthusiast ( talk) 20:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Sock ( talk · contribs) 19:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm going to have to quickfail this article. The plot section has a completely valid cleanup tag, in that it's sitting at over 1300 words. The preferred range, per
WP:FILMPLOT, is 400-700. There are extensive bare URLs in the references; very few are actually filled out. No box office section, which is necessary for theatrically released films. The infobox should not contain DVD sales, just theatrical gross. Lots of improper grammar and phrasing throughout, with some puffery thrown in the mix.
The content is more in-depth than I would've expected, and in terms of coverage, you're golden. However, this is unfortunately far away from meeting the necessary "well-written" criteria, and is in need of a lot of copy-editing and cleanup before it's ready for GA. I'd highly suggest going through, cutting the plot section in half, then taking this to the Guild of Copy Editors to clean it up. Also, try to trim some of the extraneous trivia (the "Development" section in particular is full of info that could be said in a few sentences).
Sorry, Metalfire. Best of luck for your next nomination! I'd be happy to review it again if/when you do the necessary editing.
Sock
(tock talk) 19:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Wugapodes ( talk · contribs) 02:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
On Hold for 10 days and may be extended depending on progress. To be quite honest, I feel like this article needs a good amount of work before I'm willing to promote it to GA status, which is partly why I gave 10 days instead of the usual 7. I think it can be done if the work is put into it. A lot of attention needs to be paid to WP:OR to make sure that sources actually support the information cited as there were a number of instances where statements weren't backed up by the sources provided. Feel free to ask me any questions or for clarification. Happy Editing! Wugapodes ( talk) 04:54, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Still On Hold A lot of progress has been made, and most of the criterion 1 concerns have been fixed. The lead still needs to be rewritten to cover the reception of the film and other important aspects of the article. Most importantly, however, is the sourcing. The two examples I mentioned above are still in the article without a change of source, and the sources that were added to the Plot section are about Greene's biography not the plot of the movie. Wugapodes ( talk) 14:02, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Still On Hold The lead still needs to be rewritten to include a summary of the release and reception of the film so that the cleanup tag can be removed. The two other aspects still have some problems that I covered.
Pass I think this version passes the GA bar, however I think the next thing to do in improving the article is similar to what the last reviewer said, you should take it to the Guild of Copy Editors to really tighten up the prose as the suggestions I made were the bare minimum to make it clear and concise per the GA criteria, and there is a lot more that can be done. A general note is to be wary of unreliable sources, puffery, and original research which came up a lot in this review. With movies and mobsters, all of those can easily become big problems and can cause it to be delisted. Now don't take this as a reason to stop improving the article, there's still a lot of room to work. The article's come very far, so keep up the hard work! Wugapodes ( talk) 19:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi Wugapodes, you said that the article has passed the GA criteria (but can still do with improving), but I have just received a message on my talk page saying the article has failed to meet the criteria. Is this a mistake? or have you reverted your decision?. Thanks. Metal121, April 03, 2015. 20:25 (GMT).
Jjjjjjdddddd ( talk) 03:23, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi there, just making a note (since this is a good article) that I made some minor revisions to plot. It was pretty good so I tried not to change it too much, but addressed the following primarily:
Hope this is helpful, I am glad this is a GA since I think the movie got unfairly buried. Everybody I know in Cleveland liked it - many of us who grew up in the 70s remember the real life events very well :) TheBlinkster ( talk) 05:24, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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GA from 2015. Uses many unreliable sources and some parts aren’t formatted correctly. There are also citations in the lede that should be moved into the body. Spinixster (chat!) 00:32, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
some parts aren’t formatted correctlyWhich parts? What GA criteria specifically are at issue? Looking at the article nothing seems broken and it seems to comply with criterion 1b.
Uses many unreliable sourcesWhich sources are unreliable? Reliability is related to the claim being supported, so what claims are the sources supporting? Since nothing specific has been pointed out, I took time and went through every citation in the article:
numerous grammar issuesWhere? What kind? I just skimmed it and it seemed fine.
some questionable structuring decisionsWhat structuring decisions? What makes them questionable? The article seems to comply with criterion 1b's layout requirement, so I need more specificity to understand what makes this a GAR issue.
redundancies (particularly in the "Historical Inaccuracies" section)this is specific and actionable. These redundancies would probably be fixed by simply cutting the claims cited to unreliable sources or even just cutting that whole section. — Wug· a·po·des 00:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)