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To clarify before the discourse: John Constantine is bisexual, seeing as he has had physical and emotional (in the romantic sense) relationships with both men and women. Erasing his identity is an act of profound disrespect against him and other people with that sexual orientation. Regardless of the use he makes of the advantages of his attraction to both genders, this does not mean that he is faking it or just engaging in same sex relationships only for benefit or only with a specific purpose.
Not to open this whole can of worms again, but I'm really hesitant to include Constantine as a homosexual or bisexual. It's not that I have any problem with LGBT characters, I just don't know if someone who ONLY sleeps with a man for the sake of an elaborate con- with revenge and monetary gain as the end goal, rather than physical or emotional pleasure- should legitimately count as gay. This came to mind after a recent issue of Iron Man, where one of Tony Stark's employees- supposedly a gay man who was in a relationship with one of Stark's main scientists- turned out to be the villainous Spymaster in disguise. Spymaster is not gay (or at least, it's never been even remotely hinted that he is), and I wouldn't personally consider him gay because he only entered into relations with another man as a part of his cover. There's no indication that Spymaster is really attracted to men or that he enjoys their company in his personal life, and I don't think something someone does as part of a ruse should define their sexuality. For the same reason, I feel that this article should at least consider the possibility that Constantine may be a straight man who did what he had to do for the sake of his scheme. 74.90.224.4 ( talk) 02:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
John Smith, his real name, has written lots of pretentious guff for UK comics, particularly in the early 1990s, though he's hardly improved since then. However, it was a one-off story, far as I know Smith hasn't written for Hellblazer since. There's a mention of "boyfriends" but John's had serious relationships with several women through the course of the story, never been portrayed as attracted to, or in a relationship with, a man.
Constantine is heterosexual. One sentence by a hack writer who only did one issue, shouldn't contradict the entirety of the rest of the comic's history. I don't hate bisexuals, cos I am one, and qualifying as such requires a real attraction to both sexes. This has never been shown in Hellblazer. 188.29.164.79 ( talk) 08:42, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
The first named appearance of Constantine was drawn by Rick Veitch, inked by John Totleben. This source: http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050228/NEWS/502280387&SearchID=73201566900517 indicates he is a co-creator, so I been bold and added him as such. I don't have Hellblazer issues handy but I assume that the co-creation credits are for Moore, Bissette and Totleben only, matching DC's offer of movie royalties to those 3 only? I accept that is a case against listing him as co-creator. On the other hand, when Moore refused his movie royalties he re-distributed them to Bissette, Totleben AND Veitch suggesting that Moore considers him a co-creator. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yugyug ( talk • contribs) 13:12, 19 October 2011 (UTC) +|||||||||||||||||||||||||+ ( talk) 13:14, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Ok, so it's a comic, and there's magic to boot, but an unborn child strangling another? Should the text instead read that Constantine's brother was strangled by Constantine's umbilical cord? 67.188.201.40 ( talk) 08:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
There are now two versions of Constantine. One in in the Vertigo Universe--Hellblazer-- which is disconnected to the DC Universe where he has aged in real time. The other in the DC Universe--where he doesn't appreciably age and appears in Justice League Dark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.73.126.16 ( talk) 04:11, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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Comment I came across this article not knowing it was a FA candidate. Off the bat, the sourcing is atrocious (lots of fansite sourcing, incomplete reference information, dead links, and something all three in the same instance) and there's way too much in-universe information. In my opinion, this article needs a complete overhaul. WesleyDodds ( talk) 13:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit warring is not going to help with the GA nomination! Wesleydodds does have a good point on the level of cruft in some sections, and I am sure that if you both discuss a reasonable middle ground, rather than reverting eachother's edits, this article might actually be in with a good chance of making GA! Now, in the politest possible terms, SORT IT OUT!!! Benny Digital Speak Your Brains 08:28, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
The page's plot really needs major trimming, but the fancruft's almost dissolved. I advice NOT to touch the Powers and Abilities and Media section too much. The Power section musn't be touched, especially the examples because Constantine is marked as a mage, but I've read some Hellblazers and he doesn't used much magic, that's why the examples needs to stay to make a clear descriptions of what magic he can do. Wesley removed much of the important stuffs in the OTHER MEDIA section and made horrendous grammar writings, everything about this fictional character needs to count. I'm doing what i can for the plot but i'm gonna need real help from pros and experts of Hellblazer. Godzilladude123 ( talk) 09:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
See here This would make a good source but I don't have the time to add it. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 18:41, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Any explanation? Who is he? Martin burd ( talk) 01:50, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Could someone please explain why there is a picture of a dude cosplaying, but not a picture of Matt Ryan as Constantine? john k ( talk) 14:11, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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when did John first appeared? in Swamp Thing Vol. 2 No. 25 (June 1984)? or The Saga of Swamp Thing #37 (June 1984)? What is the difference between these two books? I'm confused about the different statements in the article. 89.0.1.25 ( talk) 15:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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This article makes two dubious assumptions regarding Johanna's appearance in the upcoming Sandman TV series. First is the claim Jenna Coleman is playing two characters by that name. There has been no indication of this. Second is the statement "in a main capacity". Coleman only filmed for a few weeks and stated in interviews that she had wrapped the role before she was officially announced as having been cast. She has spent the spring of 2021 filming another movie and working on her own TV series, The War Rooms. More likely her appearance will be minor. This too is supposition - point being we cannot say how much of a role she will have in the series. 70.73.90.119 ( talk) 17:57, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
“Constantine is notable for the fact that some of the people who wrote his stories have claimed to see him apparently showing up in real life despite him being a fictional character.”
The elephant in the room aside, is he really “notable” for this? 138.78.225.88 ( talk) 02:26, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Ah Yes!, i too saw him. such a bullshit smh. These are just pure advertising tactics of writers to promote their content. but the question is why are we promoting this FANPOV. the real life appearance section should be removed entirely. RamaKrishnaHare ( talk) 15:34, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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To clarify before the discourse: John Constantine is bisexual, seeing as he has had physical and emotional (in the romantic sense) relationships with both men and women. Erasing his identity is an act of profound disrespect against him and other people with that sexual orientation. Regardless of the use he makes of the advantages of his attraction to both genders, this does not mean that he is faking it or just engaging in same sex relationships only for benefit or only with a specific purpose.
Not to open this whole can of worms again, but I'm really hesitant to include Constantine as a homosexual or bisexual. It's not that I have any problem with LGBT characters, I just don't know if someone who ONLY sleeps with a man for the sake of an elaborate con- with revenge and monetary gain as the end goal, rather than physical or emotional pleasure- should legitimately count as gay. This came to mind after a recent issue of Iron Man, where one of Tony Stark's employees- supposedly a gay man who was in a relationship with one of Stark's main scientists- turned out to be the villainous Spymaster in disguise. Spymaster is not gay (or at least, it's never been even remotely hinted that he is), and I wouldn't personally consider him gay because he only entered into relations with another man as a part of his cover. There's no indication that Spymaster is really attracted to men or that he enjoys their company in his personal life, and I don't think something someone does as part of a ruse should define their sexuality. For the same reason, I feel that this article should at least consider the possibility that Constantine may be a straight man who did what he had to do for the sake of his scheme. 74.90.224.4 ( talk) 02:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
John Smith, his real name, has written lots of pretentious guff for UK comics, particularly in the early 1990s, though he's hardly improved since then. However, it was a one-off story, far as I know Smith hasn't written for Hellblazer since. There's a mention of "boyfriends" but John's had serious relationships with several women through the course of the story, never been portrayed as attracted to, or in a relationship with, a man.
Constantine is heterosexual. One sentence by a hack writer who only did one issue, shouldn't contradict the entirety of the rest of the comic's history. I don't hate bisexuals, cos I am one, and qualifying as such requires a real attraction to both sexes. This has never been shown in Hellblazer. 188.29.164.79 ( talk) 08:42, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
The first named appearance of Constantine was drawn by Rick Veitch, inked by John Totleben. This source: http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050228/NEWS/502280387&SearchID=73201566900517 indicates he is a co-creator, so I been bold and added him as such. I don't have Hellblazer issues handy but I assume that the co-creation credits are for Moore, Bissette and Totleben only, matching DC's offer of movie royalties to those 3 only? I accept that is a case against listing him as co-creator. On the other hand, when Moore refused his movie royalties he re-distributed them to Bissette, Totleben AND Veitch suggesting that Moore considers him a co-creator. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yugyug ( talk • contribs) 13:12, 19 October 2011 (UTC) +|||||||||||||||||||||||||+ ( talk) 13:14, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Ok, so it's a comic, and there's magic to boot, but an unborn child strangling another? Should the text instead read that Constantine's brother was strangled by Constantine's umbilical cord? 67.188.201.40 ( talk) 08:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
There are now two versions of Constantine. One in in the Vertigo Universe--Hellblazer-- which is disconnected to the DC Universe where he has aged in real time. The other in the DC Universe--where he doesn't appreciably age and appears in Justice League Dark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.73.126.16 ( talk) 04:11, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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Lead:
Creation and conception:
Fictional character biography:
Other appearances:
Hope that's something to be getting on with. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 13:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Comment I came across this article not knowing it was a FA candidate. Off the bat, the sourcing is atrocious (lots of fansite sourcing, incomplete reference information, dead links, and something all three in the same instance) and there's way too much in-universe information. In my opinion, this article needs a complete overhaul. WesleyDodds ( talk) 13:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit warring is not going to help with the GA nomination! Wesleydodds does have a good point on the level of cruft in some sections, and I am sure that if you both discuss a reasonable middle ground, rather than reverting eachother's edits, this article might actually be in with a good chance of making GA! Now, in the politest possible terms, SORT IT OUT!!! Benny Digital Speak Your Brains 08:28, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
The page's plot really needs major trimming, but the fancruft's almost dissolved. I advice NOT to touch the Powers and Abilities and Media section too much. The Power section musn't be touched, especially the examples because Constantine is marked as a mage, but I've read some Hellblazers and he doesn't used much magic, that's why the examples needs to stay to make a clear descriptions of what magic he can do. Wesley removed much of the important stuffs in the OTHER MEDIA section and made horrendous grammar writings, everything about this fictional character needs to count. I'm doing what i can for the plot but i'm gonna need real help from pros and experts of Hellblazer. Godzilladude123 ( talk) 09:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
See here This would make a good source but I don't have the time to add it. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 18:41, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Any explanation? Who is he? Martin burd ( talk) 01:50, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Could someone please explain why there is a picture of a dude cosplaying, but not a picture of Matt Ryan as Constantine? john k ( talk) 14:11, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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when did John first appeared? in Swamp Thing Vol. 2 No. 25 (June 1984)? or The Saga of Swamp Thing #37 (June 1984)? What is the difference between these two books? I'm confused about the different statements in the article. 89.0.1.25 ( talk) 15:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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This article makes two dubious assumptions regarding Johanna's appearance in the upcoming Sandman TV series. First is the claim Jenna Coleman is playing two characters by that name. There has been no indication of this. Second is the statement "in a main capacity". Coleman only filmed for a few weeks and stated in interviews that she had wrapped the role before she was officially announced as having been cast. She has spent the spring of 2021 filming another movie and working on her own TV series, The War Rooms. More likely her appearance will be minor. This too is supposition - point being we cannot say how much of a role she will have in the series. 70.73.90.119 ( talk) 17:57, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
“Constantine is notable for the fact that some of the people who wrote his stories have claimed to see him apparently showing up in real life despite him being a fictional character.”
The elephant in the room aside, is he really “notable” for this? 138.78.225.88 ( talk) 02:26, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Ah Yes!, i too saw him. such a bullshit smh. These are just pure advertising tactics of writers to promote their content. but the question is why are we promoting this FANPOV. the real life appearance section should be removed entirely. RamaKrishnaHare ( talk) 15:34, 5 March 2023 (UTC)