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"the anti-seminal work"
I removed the assertion "science fiction is a genre for and by adolescent boys"- that's just silly. I agree that teenage boys constitute a fair portion of the readership, but I suspect the authors are a bit more grown up than that. Also I found the article sexist - it runs both ways. Neither anti-male nor anti-female tone is welcome. - MMGB
Women did not "first begin to enter Science Fiction" in the 1960's or 1970's. Frankenstein has been called the first science fiction novel and was written by a woman in 1818.
I don't think the argument is that "there were no women science fiction authors" before the 1960s; that is, I agree, provably false. However, equally provable is that women in science fiction, as authors and as characters, were marginalized (and quite frankly still are). For all that there were writers like C.L. Moore and Leigh Brackett, and that there were male writers like Heinlein and Asimov who featured strong female characters before it was fashionable to do so, the mainstream of science fiction in the 1940s and 1950s portrayed women as victims or props.
No offense, but the summary of the TFM as an exploration of technological advances' effect on gender roles looks off. There's little about science in TFM. One of the reasons it is considered innovative bears mention -- the four "J" protagonists are all different editions of the author herself, as she imagines she might have been in four radically different cultures.
What about: "The Female Man follows one woman, 'J,' through different universes. In one universe, she is a timid ultrafeminine library assistant from a world which never left the Great Depression; in another she is a 70s feminist writer beginning to challenge the authorities in her life; the third J lives in a woman-only communal society which is both more liberating and more oppressive than it first appears; and the fourth is a ravenously violent woman in whose universe men and women are literally at war. As the Js meet and their stories merge together, then flow apart, Russ leads the reader in an exploration of cultural influence on how humans become gendered."
--RLR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.9.157.45 ( talk • contribs) 02:32, 15 July 2004 (UTC)
"Because the field of science fiction was largely male-dominated, The Female Man was initially received as negative propaganda." I agree with the first statement but the second seems to me to require supporting quote/s or, at least, a citation. LadySappho ( talk) 03:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I have used Russ as an example of openly gay SF author in the
homosexuality in SF article, and i have a citation for it from 1983. But there is a question in the GAN about whether she was out to the SF community when writing her most important works. Does anyone have any sources stating her as gay anytime BEFORE 1980?
She is too important to ignore, but the particlur sentence is to illustrate that gay authors were accepted by the SF community in the 70s. Is this true?
— Preceding
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contribs) 08:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Russ has been named to the Science Fiction and Fantasy Hall of Fame (the original name which has been restored online this month). [1] --she was not born this January 1; it's a sloppy website in other respects too.
That notice implies five members to be named daily Mon-Fri. Perhaps there will be some comprehensive press release Friday or next week. -- P64 ( talk) 19:59, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
{{ Infobox writer}} should be selective. It now lists:
Three of those (italics) are not covered in prose, nor anyhow 'noted' in the list of works.
Infobox documentation recommends template {{ awd}}. For example of a repeat major-award winner see Margaret Mahy.
[ ref name=sfadb] may be used more intensively.
-- P64 ( talk) 00:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the addition of the following paragraph:
The first sentence is referencing a draft, instead of the final published essay, which is unusual. If there were a reason to reference the draft, it should be mentioned, e.g. if she toned down her wording in the published essay, etc. The final sentence is a personal opinion, and does not meet the "neutrality" criteria. (Unless, of course, one could find a reference of someone else saying this about the essay draft.) Darrah ( talk) 05:12, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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Was Joanna Russ of full or partial Jewish ancestry? 2601:8C:4500:4680:8884:CE92:D29C:6D18 ( talk) 04:30, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Reliable sources in the science fiction community have told me that Russ was a contestant for two days on the Art Fleming version of Jeopardy. Sadly, there is no index to the Fleming-era episodes and their contestants. Can anybody help me find more details? -- Orange Mike | Talk 05:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Currently the section concentrating on Russ's work as a literary critic is titled Criticism.
While this is accurate, the same word is frequently used elsewhere in Wikipedia for sections containing criticism (generally negative) of the subject of the article. This may prime readers of this article to expect the same.
I suggest that the section be re-titled, to Critical work or another suitable and less ambiguous term. What think others? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.66.81 ( talk) 10:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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"the anti-seminal work"
I removed the assertion "science fiction is a genre for and by adolescent boys"- that's just silly. I agree that teenage boys constitute a fair portion of the readership, but I suspect the authors are a bit more grown up than that. Also I found the article sexist - it runs both ways. Neither anti-male nor anti-female tone is welcome. - MMGB
Women did not "first begin to enter Science Fiction" in the 1960's or 1970's. Frankenstein has been called the first science fiction novel and was written by a woman in 1818.
I don't think the argument is that "there were no women science fiction authors" before the 1960s; that is, I agree, provably false. However, equally provable is that women in science fiction, as authors and as characters, were marginalized (and quite frankly still are). For all that there were writers like C.L. Moore and Leigh Brackett, and that there were male writers like Heinlein and Asimov who featured strong female characters before it was fashionable to do so, the mainstream of science fiction in the 1940s and 1950s portrayed women as victims or props.
No offense, but the summary of the TFM as an exploration of technological advances' effect on gender roles looks off. There's little about science in TFM. One of the reasons it is considered innovative bears mention -- the four "J" protagonists are all different editions of the author herself, as she imagines she might have been in four radically different cultures.
What about: "The Female Man follows one woman, 'J,' through different universes. In one universe, she is a timid ultrafeminine library assistant from a world which never left the Great Depression; in another she is a 70s feminist writer beginning to challenge the authorities in her life; the third J lives in a woman-only communal society which is both more liberating and more oppressive than it first appears; and the fourth is a ravenously violent woman in whose universe men and women are literally at war. As the Js meet and their stories merge together, then flow apart, Russ leads the reader in an exploration of cultural influence on how humans become gendered."
--RLR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.9.157.45 ( talk • contribs) 02:32, 15 July 2004 (UTC)
"Because the field of science fiction was largely male-dominated, The Female Man was initially received as negative propaganda." I agree with the first statement but the second seems to me to require supporting quote/s or, at least, a citation. LadySappho ( talk) 03:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I have used Russ as an example of openly gay SF author in the
homosexuality in SF article, and i have a citation for it from 1983. But there is a question in the GAN about whether she was out to the SF community when writing her most important works. Does anyone have any sources stating her as gay anytime BEFORE 1980?
She is too important to ignore, but the particlur sentence is to illustrate that gay authors were accepted by the SF community in the 70s. Is this true?
— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Yobmod (
talk •
contribs) 08:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Russ has been named to the Science Fiction and Fantasy Hall of Fame (the original name which has been restored online this month). [1] --she was not born this January 1; it's a sloppy website in other respects too.
That notice implies five members to be named daily Mon-Fri. Perhaps there will be some comprehensive press release Friday or next week. -- P64 ( talk) 19:59, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
{{ Infobox writer}} should be selective. It now lists:
Three of those (italics) are not covered in prose, nor anyhow 'noted' in the list of works.
Infobox documentation recommends template {{ awd}}. For example of a repeat major-award winner see Margaret Mahy.
[ ref name=sfadb] may be used more intensively.
-- P64 ( talk) 00:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the addition of the following paragraph:
The first sentence is referencing a draft, instead of the final published essay, which is unusual. If there were a reason to reference the draft, it should be mentioned, e.g. if she toned down her wording in the published essay, etc. The final sentence is a personal opinion, and does not meet the "neutrality" criteria. (Unless, of course, one could find a reference of someone else saying this about the essay draft.) Darrah ( talk) 05:12, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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Was Joanna Russ of full or partial Jewish ancestry? 2601:8C:4500:4680:8884:CE92:D29C:6D18 ( talk) 04:30, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Reliable sources in the science fiction community have told me that Russ was a contestant for two days on the Art Fleming version of Jeopardy. Sadly, there is no index to the Fleming-era episodes and their contestants. Can anybody help me find more details? -- Orange Mike | Talk 05:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Currently the section concentrating on Russ's work as a literary critic is titled Criticism.
While this is accurate, the same word is frequently used elsewhere in Wikipedia for sections containing criticism (generally negative) of the subject of the article. This may prime readers of this article to expect the same.
I suggest that the section be re-titled, to Critical work or another suitable and less ambiguous term. What think others? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.66.81 ( talk) 10:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)