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I cleaned up a recent change that introduced many peacock terms, such as "renowned and revered", "famous across India", and many many more. The new version has a more encyclopedic language. Using the unofficial title "Pandit" and the suffix "-ji" (which most English-language readers don't understand) throughout the article is not advisable, as a Wikipedia article is not meant to be promotional. The praising style not only undermines the neutral point of view the article should have, it also inflated the word count. However, as an encyclopedia we strive for a proper summary style. Hekerui ( talk) 10:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Dear Editors!
There has been a discussion on India Portal related to mentioning of caste of subjects. The point is that mentioning caste of people, who have nothing to do with their caste, is found to be unnecessary by few editors. Hence the caste of the subject person needs to be deleted from the biography. I am not deleting the caste as of now but am only posting this here so that the regular editors of this article are well aware of it beforehand and no edit-wars take place. For details of discussion held on the portal please refer
Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Mentioning_caste_of_Individuals. Your views if any are welcome there or even here.
And.... as the reasons of exclusion of caste pointed out were "irrelavant to notability of subject person", "privacy of the subject person", "inclusion of caste is like branding individuals", etc. other information included in the article which also fall under these cases will also be removed after discussions. Examples of it included religion, non-notable spouse's and children's and parents' information, previous occupation, lived in places, non-notability related educational qualification, etc.
Your views on this are also welcome here or at the India portal. -
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Pandit Jasraj Ji ko aisa kaunsa interest hai ki wo Padma Award kay liyay sifarish kar rahe hain . Kalakaar hi kalaakar ko marta hai .Unhain kaunsa laalach hai .. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.95.204 ( talk) 15:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
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Comments I'm going to have to quick fail this as it is currently tagged with a dispute notice relating to lack of references. I will, however, give you some basic comments on things you'll need to address (as well as the tag) before re-nominating.
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I will take this. I see there has been a lot of improvement since the last nom, though there still is a citation needed tag. Posting the rest of my comments soon. Cheers, Sainsf ( talk · contribs) 20:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, I got busy. Here are all my comments: Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 04:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Jasraj at "Music in the Park" Indira Gandhi Park, Bhubaneswar on 18 December 2016the link in this caption is erroneous Done
Some of his students have in turn become notable musiciansWould be good to name at least one Done
of Sanand who was deeplycomma after Sanand Done
Madhura has directed documentaries ...Faster PheneNot sure this is relevant for this article. Removed
initiated into vocal music by his father, Pandit MotiramNo need to name him again. Done Same for his elder brother, who should be mentioned with the full name and if necessary the link only on the first mention. Question: Please can you check that I've done that correctly
He would frequently accompany his eldest brother, Pandit ManiramHe is quite notable but not mentioned in Early life like the other brother. Done Also, would be better to introduce all his siblings in one place in Early life. Done
with his brother, Pandit ManiramJust the name will do Done
a vocalist and beenkar.[9] and Gulam Kadar Khancomma not period Done
to khayal singingredundant Removed
'Vandana Karo,'quote before comma Done
@ Curb Safe Charmer: Hi, ten days no updates? We need updates here by a week else this may be failed due to inactivity. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 16:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Continuing the discussion above and at Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2020_May_19#MOS:FOREIGNITALIC, which of these terms should be tagged as Hindi words using the {{lang}} tag?
Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 11:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts. The article is in excellent shape for GA now, and meets all criteria in my opinion. Promoted :) Sainsf ( t · c) 18:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Could add a photo in if you'd like? If so,
File:Pandit Jasraj at Bhopal 2015-1.JPG would be preferable over the infobox image I think. Other than that, fab article, interesting read and good to go pending QPQ. I have updated the hook formatting as appropriate.
MIDI (
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I propose that the title of the page is changed from "Jasraj" to "Pandit Jasraj" because quoting from Wikipedia policy on honirifics - "There are some exceptions: Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found in English reliable sources without it, it should be included. For example, the honorific may be included for Mother Teresa."
I think "pandit" comes under that category.
Also, the change I am asking for is in keeping with the traditions of the Indian Classical Music. It is insulting to call him "Jasraj".
Swapnil ( talk) 14:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
@ ShubhanTelang: I saw you've removed some red links from the article. Per WP:REDDEAL, red links should be left in place unless it is implausible that there will ever be an article about that subject. Is that really the case for Pandit Motiram, Pandit Pratap Narayan, Jaywant Singh Waghela and Madhura Shantaram? Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 09:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Curb Safe Charmer: Thanks for telling me about this. I have changed and added the red links to Pandit Motiram, Pandit Pratap Narayan, Jaywant Singh Waghela and Madhura Shantaram. ShubhanTelang ( talk) 12:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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I cleaned up a recent change that introduced many peacock terms, such as "renowned and revered", "famous across India", and many many more. The new version has a more encyclopedic language. Using the unofficial title "Pandit" and the suffix "-ji" (which most English-language readers don't understand) throughout the article is not advisable, as a Wikipedia article is not meant to be promotional. The praising style not only undermines the neutral point of view the article should have, it also inflated the word count. However, as an encyclopedia we strive for a proper summary style. Hekerui ( talk) 10:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Dear Editors!
There has been a discussion on India Portal related to mentioning of caste of subjects. The point is that mentioning caste of people, who have nothing to do with their caste, is found to be unnecessary by few editors. Hence the caste of the subject person needs to be deleted from the biography. I am not deleting the caste as of now but am only posting this here so that the regular editors of this article are well aware of it beforehand and no edit-wars take place. For details of discussion held on the portal please refer
Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Mentioning_caste_of_Individuals. Your views if any are welcome there or even here.
And.... as the reasons of exclusion of caste pointed out were "irrelavant to notability of subject person", "privacy of the subject person", "inclusion of caste is like branding individuals", etc. other information included in the article which also fall under these cases will also be removed after discussions. Examples of it included religion, non-notable spouse's and children's and parents' information, previous occupation, lived in places, non-notability related educational qualification, etc.
Your views on this are also welcome here or at the India portal. -
Animeshkulkarni (
talk) 10:15, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Pandit Jasraj Ji ko aisa kaunsa interest hai ki wo Padma Award kay liyay sifarish kar rahe hain . Kalakaar hi kalaakar ko marta hai .Unhain kaunsa laalach hai .. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.95.204 ( talk) 15:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
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Comments I'm going to have to quick fail this as it is currently tagged with a dispute notice relating to lack of references. I will, however, give you some basic comments on things you'll need to address (as well as the tag) before re-nominating.
Good luck with future endeavours. The Rambling Man ( Staying alive since 2005!) 07:36, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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I will take this. I see there has been a lot of improvement since the last nom, though there still is a citation needed tag. Posting the rest of my comments soon. Cheers, Sainsf ( talk · contribs) 20:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, I got busy. Here are all my comments: Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 04:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Jasraj at "Music in the Park" Indira Gandhi Park, Bhubaneswar on 18 December 2016the link in this caption is erroneous Done
Some of his students have in turn become notable musiciansWould be good to name at least one Done
of Sanand who was deeplycomma after Sanand Done
Madhura has directed documentaries ...Faster PheneNot sure this is relevant for this article. Removed
initiated into vocal music by his father, Pandit MotiramNo need to name him again. Done Same for his elder brother, who should be mentioned with the full name and if necessary the link only on the first mention. Question: Please can you check that I've done that correctly
He would frequently accompany his eldest brother, Pandit ManiramHe is quite notable but not mentioned in Early life like the other brother. Done Also, would be better to introduce all his siblings in one place in Early life. Done
with his brother, Pandit ManiramJust the name will do Done
a vocalist and beenkar.[9] and Gulam Kadar Khancomma not period Done
to khayal singingredundant Removed
'Vandana Karo,'quote before comma Done
@ Curb Safe Charmer: Hi, ten days no updates? We need updates here by a week else this may be failed due to inactivity. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 16:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Continuing the discussion above and at Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2020_May_19#MOS:FOREIGNITALIC, which of these terms should be tagged as Hindi words using the {{lang}} tag?
Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 11:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts. The article is in excellent shape for GA now, and meets all criteria in my opinion. Promoted :) Sainsf ( t · c) 18:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Yoninah (
talk) 19:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by Curb Safe Charmer ( talk). Self-nominated at 16:10, 2 June 2020 (UTC).
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Could add a photo in if you'd like? If so,
File:Pandit Jasraj at Bhopal 2015-1.JPG would be preferable over the infobox image I think. Other than that, fab article, interesting read and good to go pending QPQ. I have updated the hook formatting as appropriate.
MIDI (
talk) 15:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
I propose that the title of the page is changed from "Jasraj" to "Pandit Jasraj" because quoting from Wikipedia policy on honirifics - "There are some exceptions: Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found in English reliable sources without it, it should be included. For example, the honorific may be included for Mother Teresa."
I think "pandit" comes under that category.
Also, the change I am asking for is in keeping with the traditions of the Indian Classical Music. It is insulting to call him "Jasraj".
Swapnil ( talk) 14:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
@ ShubhanTelang: I saw you've removed some red links from the article. Per WP:REDDEAL, red links should be left in place unless it is implausible that there will ever be an article about that subject. Is that really the case for Pandit Motiram, Pandit Pratap Narayan, Jaywant Singh Waghela and Madhura Shantaram? Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 09:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Curb Safe Charmer: Thanks for telling me about this. I have changed and added the red links to Pandit Motiram, Pandit Pratap Narayan, Jaywant Singh Waghela and Madhura Shantaram. ShubhanTelang ( talk) 12:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)