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I think this quote should be removed:
The slogan has also been used as a war cry by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), often for perpetration of communal atrocities against people of other faiths, or to indicate that one is a Hindu.
Why? Three reasons:
Also, where in the source does it say BJP and RSS used Jai Siya Ram while perpetrating "communal atrocities"? I plan to remove the sentence, if there is no objection. Thank you - BhaskaraPattelar ( talk) 18:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
The slogan has also been used as a war cry and a greeting by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). During riots in Jaipur in the 1990s, the phrase was used to indicate that one is a Hindu.SerChevalerie ( talk) 18:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
The slogan has also been used as a greeting by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). During riots in Jaipur in the 1990s, the phrase was used to indicate that one is a Hindu.- 11:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Why even the statement "During riots in Jaipur in the 1990s, the phrase was used to indicate that one is a Hindu" ? Isn't that depiction itself against the violation of WP:NPOV. Also, the cited source doesn't even accurately support the claim that method was used to identify Hindus - hence violation of WP:INACCURATE . Given the fact that there are many obvious methods to identify someone's religion in a riot-like situation, why such a claim in this article ? I am expecting some responses from other authors of this page as I can see the user User:Kautilya3 has a very biased stand on this argument. -- RamRaghubn ( talk) 16:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Jai Shri Ram is almost just a replacement for Jai Siya Ram - only difference been additional glorifying goddess Sita along with Ram. Further, content is pretty small right now and hence can be accommodated in Jai Shri Ram article. Once expanded more, maybe can be pushed back here. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 18:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
almost just a replacement"? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 19:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Vishaldubey5, your recent edit, while substantial, is full of primary sources. Please see WP:RSPRIMARY. You will have to replace these with secondary sources for it to remain here. SerChevalerie ( talk) 18:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
I think the use of PRIMARY sources for the songs is well within policy: "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge.
" So I am not worried about it. But SECONDARY sources would always be welcome. --
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I think this quote should be removed:
The slogan has also been used as a war cry by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), often for perpetration of communal atrocities against people of other faiths, or to indicate that one is a Hindu.
Why? Three reasons:
Also, where in the source does it say BJP and RSS used Jai Siya Ram while perpetrating "communal atrocities"? I plan to remove the sentence, if there is no objection. Thank you - BhaskaraPattelar ( talk) 18:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
The slogan has also been used as a war cry and a greeting by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). During riots in Jaipur in the 1990s, the phrase was used to indicate that one is a Hindu.SerChevalerie ( talk) 18:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
The slogan has also been used as a greeting by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). During riots in Jaipur in the 1990s, the phrase was used to indicate that one is a Hindu.- 11:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Why even the statement "During riots in Jaipur in the 1990s, the phrase was used to indicate that one is a Hindu" ? Isn't that depiction itself against the violation of WP:NPOV. Also, the cited source doesn't even accurately support the claim that method was used to identify Hindus - hence violation of WP:INACCURATE . Given the fact that there are many obvious methods to identify someone's religion in a riot-like situation, why such a claim in this article ? I am expecting some responses from other authors of this page as I can see the user User:Kautilya3 has a very biased stand on this argument. -- RamRaghubn ( talk) 16:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Jai Shri Ram is almost just a replacement for Jai Siya Ram - only difference been additional glorifying goddess Sita along with Ram. Further, content is pretty small right now and hence can be accommodated in Jai Shri Ram article. Once expanded more, maybe can be pushed back here. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 18:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
almost just a replacement"? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 19:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Vishaldubey5, your recent edit, while substantial, is full of primary sources. Please see WP:RSPRIMARY. You will have to replace these with secondary sources for it to remain here. SerChevalerie ( talk) 18:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
I think the use of PRIMARY sources for the songs is well within policy: "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge.
" So I am not worried about it. But SECONDARY sources would always be welcome. --
Kautilya3 (
talk) 20:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)