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The opening provides a clear explanation on J. Philippe Rushton, his work, and his criticisms. However, the second paragraph derails and spends half its time discussing the Pioneer Fund, rather than the individual. While it's important to consider the individuals surroundings, the depth of the Pioneer Fund is slightly excessive. I wouldn't usually consider this noteworthy enough of creating a section in the Talk Page, however I am creating this pre-preemptively to avoid an edit war on the subject. User:Skllagyook pinging you for reverting the change, feel free to explain how removing one sentence is "whitewashing", or a "large amount" of sourced material, or how I am an IP editor, or alternatively, how this was not a minor edit. From my experience editing many pages and providing ample sources on various subjects, I would not consider any of those statements to be true. Dr-Bracket ( talk) 00:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
I am a little confused by some of the recent changes in wording. Did Rushton generally hold that a/ genetics completely explain racial differences in intelligence, or b/(less strongly) that genetics was the major factor in intelligence", or just c/ that genetics was merely a significant factor in intelligence or d/ even only that genetics was a factor in intelligence? I realize he worded it different ways at different times, but what was his predominant or general view, or did perhaps his views change in a recognizable direction over time? If there was a change, what was his more recent position?
It seems that statements deploring or supporting his views might choose one or another of these positions as a summary, but that does not mean they were accurate in doing so . I would imagine that someone who wanted to minimize his difference from the consensus might want to say d/, and someone who thought his views totally unacceptable might choose to word it a/ --- but which of these very different ideas represented his general view? DGG ( talk ) 05:54, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Rushton’s works linking race and intelligence are based on an incorrect assumption that fuels systemic racism, the notion that racialized groups are concordant with patterns of human ancestry and genetic population structure. This idea is rejected by analysis of the human genome .... Moreover, Rushton’s work is characterized by a complete misunderstanding of population genetic measures, including fundamental misconceptions about the nature of heritability and gene-environment interactions during development.[1] Generalrelative ( talk) 06:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Points that are not discussed in independent sources should not be given any space in articles.Generalrelative ( talk) 15:53, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
The section on "Race and intelligence" summarizes Rushton's views, and then adds: "Rushton's view that a genetic connection exists between race and intelligence is rejected by a broad consensus of scientists today." I'm not entirely sure why this needs to be mentioned at all (I think it might be part of the FRINGE policy?), but I don't like the current wording. It's not supported by the current sources (even after User:Generalrelative helpfully added one that specifically rejected Rushton's views), and I think it is misleading. Two of the three sources claim there is a consensus that observed IQ differences between races are not due to genetics. The last source rejects the concept of biological races (but claims no consensus). Summarizing this as there being a consensus against "a genetic connection between race and intelligence" seems misleading (and I don't think that consensus exists). If Rushton used IQ results to claim that some races were biologically predisposed to have a higher IQ than others, this view can be pointed out to be contrary to consensus. Can someone point me to where the current wording originates from? Ornilnas ( talk) 03:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Two of the three sources claim there is a consensus that observed IQ differences between races are not due to genetics.It doesn't seem necessary to quibble about the third. Generalrelative ( talk) 06:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
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The opening provides a clear explanation on J. Philippe Rushton, his work, and his criticisms. However, the second paragraph derails and spends half its time discussing the Pioneer Fund, rather than the individual. While it's important to consider the individuals surroundings, the depth of the Pioneer Fund is slightly excessive. I wouldn't usually consider this noteworthy enough of creating a section in the Talk Page, however I am creating this pre-preemptively to avoid an edit war on the subject. User:Skllagyook pinging you for reverting the change, feel free to explain how removing one sentence is "whitewashing", or a "large amount" of sourced material, or how I am an IP editor, or alternatively, how this was not a minor edit. From my experience editing many pages and providing ample sources on various subjects, I would not consider any of those statements to be true. Dr-Bracket ( talk) 00:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
I am a little confused by some of the recent changes in wording. Did Rushton generally hold that a/ genetics completely explain racial differences in intelligence, or b/(less strongly) that genetics was the major factor in intelligence", or just c/ that genetics was merely a significant factor in intelligence or d/ even only that genetics was a factor in intelligence? I realize he worded it different ways at different times, but what was his predominant or general view, or did perhaps his views change in a recognizable direction over time? If there was a change, what was his more recent position?
It seems that statements deploring or supporting his views might choose one or another of these positions as a summary, but that does not mean they were accurate in doing so . I would imagine that someone who wanted to minimize his difference from the consensus might want to say d/, and someone who thought his views totally unacceptable might choose to word it a/ --- but which of these very different ideas represented his general view? DGG ( talk ) 05:54, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Rushton’s works linking race and intelligence are based on an incorrect assumption that fuels systemic racism, the notion that racialized groups are concordant with patterns of human ancestry and genetic population structure. This idea is rejected by analysis of the human genome .... Moreover, Rushton’s work is characterized by a complete misunderstanding of population genetic measures, including fundamental misconceptions about the nature of heritability and gene-environment interactions during development.[1] Generalrelative ( talk) 06:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Points that are not discussed in independent sources should not be given any space in articles.Generalrelative ( talk) 15:53, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
The section on "Race and intelligence" summarizes Rushton's views, and then adds: "Rushton's view that a genetic connection exists between race and intelligence is rejected by a broad consensus of scientists today." I'm not entirely sure why this needs to be mentioned at all (I think it might be part of the FRINGE policy?), but I don't like the current wording. It's not supported by the current sources (even after User:Generalrelative helpfully added one that specifically rejected Rushton's views), and I think it is misleading. Two of the three sources claim there is a consensus that observed IQ differences between races are not due to genetics. The last source rejects the concept of biological races (but claims no consensus). Summarizing this as there being a consensus against "a genetic connection between race and intelligence" seems misleading (and I don't think that consensus exists). If Rushton used IQ results to claim that some races were biologically predisposed to have a higher IQ than others, this view can be pointed out to be contrary to consensus. Can someone point me to where the current wording originates from? Ornilnas ( talk) 03:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Two of the three sources claim there is a consensus that observed IQ differences between races are not due to genetics.It doesn't seem necessary to quibble about the third. Generalrelative ( talk) 06:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)