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The sentence "The BBC made an award-winning miniseries by Andrew Birkin, The Lost Boys at the Internet Movie Database. . ." seem awkwardly worded.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.206.117.246 ( talk • contribs) 06:30, 12 December 2006
I believe Barrie's brother David died while young and may have been part of the inspration for Peter. Will verify this and if true add it. Any comments anyone ? Julianp 01:17, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
... Barrie stated that they would tell stories, have warm milk and cookies, and that it is was very charming.
I think the "milk and cookies" and "charming" addition at the end of the Barrie article are in reference to the statement Michael Jackson made about why he likes being around children. I guess someone just couldn't resist making a comparison.
an excellent article by Anthony Lane on J.M. Barrie and the inspiration for the creation of Peter Pan appears in the November 22, 2004 issue of The New Yorker Magazine (a link to this article was added to "external links" section January 21, 2005) (contributor Khyber453@comcast.net) this change is a response to a request in the "Talk" section of Wikipedia for information about Barrie family history.
I am a bit disappointed that the article practically opens with an excuse (about his NOT being a pdeophile). As the French well know, qui s'excuse s'accuse, and Barrie needs no apologists, he seems to have handled himself with great dignity. That does not mean that he did not love his boys deeply, or that he did not enjoy their physical beauty. But no mention of that anywhere. He may have been short, but it is us who are the dwarves. Haiduc 03:32, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have just watched the film with K.Winslet and J.Depp, and have been very surprised instead, to discover here that J. M. Barrie falsefied the will of Sylvia Llewelyn Davies in order to become one of the tutors of the kids. To me, this is a clear sign that the mother did not trust him and opens the path to innuendos about pedophilia. I'd like the reference to this fact to be clearer -- S vecchiato ( talk) 10:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
When I read the article the first time, this stuck out to me (though it is not in the opener) because the thought that he sexually abused the boys never entered my mind until I read the defense against the rumors. I could understand why others would assume the worst about a man but I disregard it as rumors. It's quite an extraordinary claim to accuse someone of sexual abuse and being a pedophile. I want to remove the entire paragraph outright on the same logic as Haiduc and the Wikipedia policies surrounding verifiability and speculation. In other words, it "sounds like it is true, so it must be true" doesn't seem reasonable. As such, I've added the Who? tag to the speculative line (which the rest of the paragraph responds to). If, in fact, someone has gone on the record of accusing Barrie of these behaviors then it seems notable, verifiable and, due to the already researched defense providing neutrality, acceptable. Otherwise, I hope someone deletes the rumor mongering line (and thus the rest of the paragraph is rendered unnecessary). BossAnders ( talk) 14:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
In the opening para, Llewellyn has 2 sets of double els, but later on it has only one such set. I don't know which version is correct. Can anybody assist? JackofOz 05:58, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
His first two novels were set in Kirriemuir, disguised as "Thrums" (his father was a weaver).
What does Thrums mean, and what is the connection with weaving? Ubermonkey 13:28, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I sometimes wonder why Anthony Powell put Barrie, and H.G. Wells in with the fictional writer St.John Clarke in his novel "The Acceptance World". (the three of them are in an old photograph, then they are discussed a bit). I suppose no one knows, but Powell introduced nearly every element for a reason Seminumerical 10:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
The page for this condition mentions JM Barrie as a sufferer - this is a very serious condition usually found in feral children. Can anybody tell us whether he suffered the condition or something similar, and if so why ? thanks WinstonBerni 23:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
If Barrie 'never reached puberty' - how come he had a moustache, and quite a full one? A false one? Hardly. Delayed maybe, but never? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.8.122 ( talk • contribs) 22:34, October 17, 2006
I have removed the claim about Barrie suffering from Psychogenic Dwarfism. As CaerieD explains above, he seems to have been of average height for his own family if not the general population. The only source for the claim was an undergraduate class paper. If it's true, we should be able to do better than that. Please do not re-insert the claim about Psychogenic Dwarfism unless you have a proper source for it. CKarnstein 21:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Another reference to his height and facial hair-- Uncle John's Absolutely Absorbing Bathroom Reader has an article titled "The Dark Side of Peter Pan," which states that after the death of Barrie's brother, he tried to comfort his mother by "imitating David's mannerisms and mimicking his speech. This bizarre charade went on for years...and only got weirder: when James reached 13, the age at wihich David had died, he literally stopped growing. He never stood taller than 5', and didn't shave until he was 24. He always had a thin, high-pitched voice" (p. 507).
This would explain the thirty-something moustache, and also the dwarfism references. I won't correct anything, but that's another, more trustworthy reference in regards to this issue. Diimmortales 01:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've just edited back another overly-reaching statement about Barrie suffering from P.D., to acknowledge it as a theory (with the source), without the assertion of undocumented "facts" like the autopsy confirming he was pre-pubescent. - JasonAQuest ( talk) 12:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
May I add some generally accepted knowledge about Barrie's diminutive build and that of the local population. The east coast of Scotland traditionally has been known to have a breed of diminutive people of which Barrie was evidently one. His mother with the name of Ogilvy would indicate that she was a native of the east coast. The criminal history of Dundee cites a gang which terrified the city for a number of years known as the Cheeky Forty due to their diminutive size. The recently disbanned Gordon Regiment of Aberdeen was known for its minature sized soldiers and their tenacity. The average height of soldiers in WW1 was apparently 5' 3" (but I stand to be corrected on this point). Additionally, beards and mustaches in that era were in vogue probably similar to the cropped headed men of today (2010). One local Lady who apparently knew Barrie maintains that he was vain. Furthermore, I spent a few years as a Child Care Officer with the Fife County Council when I found it easy and enjoyable to write children's fiction yet upon departure from the post I lost this ability. This knowledge tells me that Barrie was a heterosexual but a tenaciously ambitious one, an intelligent man who understood the fears, frustrations, dreams, and desires of prepubescent boys. He also appears to have been a caring and honourable person; how, indeed, can anyone maintain otherwise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delparc ( talk • contribs) 00:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
whats wrong with it?? why wont it work properly??!?!!? someone fix it!!??! urhghgughuhguurgh!!!! Bwithh 19:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
The article reads "after meeting George and Jack", but Jack is not mentioned earlier as one of the boys. Can someone please clarify? -- 1000Faces 07:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The reference to Barrie's mother on this page doesn't tally with the description in the Article from the new yorker; http://www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/articles/041122crat_atlarge?041122crat_atlarge
The room was dark, and when I heard the door shut and no sound come from the bed I was afraid, and I stood still. I suppose I was breathing hard, or perhaps I was crying, for after a time I heard a listless voice that had never been listless before say, “Is that you?” I think the tone hurt me, for I made no answer, and then the voice said more anxiously “Is that you?” again. I thought it was the dead boy she was speaking to, and I said in a little lonely voice, “No, it’s no’ him, it’s just me.” Then I heard a cry, and my mother turned in bed, and though it was dark I knew that she was holding out her arms.
This sounds quite different, and implies she loved him for himself; that he was the one who felt she would prefer his brother. Should the wiki article be corrected? I don't know the sources well enough myself. JClare 22:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I seriously doubt whether Barrie met either Robert Louis Stevenson or Arthur Conan Doyle at Edinburgh University. Sure he corresponded with Stevenson, but as far as I know they never actually met in person. Given that Stevenson was ten years his senior, doesn't make sense that they would have met as students. I believe he met Conan Doyle in London. The two were indeed friends, and even collaborated on a flop musical. All in all the section about his acquaintances is sorely lacking: Barrie basically knew everyone who was anyone back in his day. -- woggly 12:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
The line Life is what happens to you, while you're busy making other plans. Is this a Barrie quote? GoodDay 23:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Wondering if anyone agreed with this...Quote under the Llewellyn-Davies section states "Following Sylvia's death a few years later, Barrie claimed that they had been engaged to be married." In none of my research, have I ever heard this claim. Does anyone have a citation for this? I assumed it was a well-known fact that the feelings Barrie had towards Sylvia were purely platonic.-- sidahboo 08:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Contrary to what User:79.73.94.229 asserted in the edit history, Scottish writers are commonly identified in their intros as "Scottish", not as "British". I just looked at over a dozen random entries on list of Scottish writers, and all but one called the subject "Scottish". (The exception was Robbie Burns(!), whose intro paragraph doesn't apply an adjective to him, but is instead littered with references to "Scotland" and "Scots".) While "British" may be more common among English UK writers, I believe that merely reflects a tendency for English people in general to identify themselves as "British" rather than "English"; this is markedly less common for Scottish people. Wikipedia's convention is to use the term the subject uses/would have used, and I think it's pretty clear that despite his long residence in London (where the theatre scene was) JMB - whose family, favorite holiday spots, and choice of burial site were all in Scotland - was "Scottish". - JasonAQuest ( talk) 23:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
His Scottishness is made perfectly clear throughout the entire article, his place or birth is given first and foremost, and I am not the one presuming to know anything about Barrie's personal preferences in regard to identity. He was a baronet of the British Empire and he lived in Britain all his life (but not in Scotland all his life). I don't see why referring to his nationality should be perceived as refusing to acknowledge his lifelong connections to his ethnic background. 79.74.35.122 ( talk) 02:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Look, stop trying to tell me what I am saying by my actions, as it's just plain arrogant and unhelpful to the discussion. I could claim that what you are saying by your actions is that the national identity of British people in the United Kingdom is inferior to their constituent region and that you are pushing an agenda that separatism rules. The original reason I gave still stands, and unless there is going to be a blanket policy on Wikipedia that stipulates that all writers from the UK should be labelled by their individual ethnicities or national identities, this dispute will not be resolved. 79.73.31.60 ( talk) 12:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is it not enough that the entire article makes his Scottish ethnicity more than obvious? There is nothing wrong with calling him a British novelist and dramatist since his birthplace and hertitage discussed in detail. 194.73.217.244 ( talk) 14:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
It's the overriding consensus amongst nationalists, zealots and separatists, and just because it's longstanding doesn't make it correct. I have yet to see it explained why "British" is so unacceptable when his Scottish ethnicity is detailed throughout the entire article - but I can't be bothered to ask you because this is a SUPER boring debate now! I love it when people just strangle the life out of things to bore other people into submission. Let the nationalists and ignorant Americans prevail! Hurray hurray! 79.73.83.148 ( talk) 16:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Well you get a home run for being both - congrats ;-D 194.73.217.244 ( talk) 16:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone agrees, but I think the Infobox Notable Works section is terrible. Doesn't he have other notable works that aren't about Peter Pan? Dear Brutus, for instance? -- 15lsoucy ( talk) 11:10, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia shows a date of 1919, but according to the Internet Broadway Database, Beatrice Agnew, Ethel Barrymore, and John Barrymore appeared in a double bill with "Pantaloon" at the Criterion Theatre on Broadway in New York City. The opening date was Christmas Day, 1905. Agnew and John Barrymore were in both plays. Lionel Barrymore appeared in "Pantaloon" A version available on Amazon has a 1905 date (http://www.amazon.com/Alice-Fire-James-Matthew-Barrie/dp/1406929247/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274535281&sr=8-4) Jtyroler ( talk) 13:36, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
-- Mais oui! ( talk) 06:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
quote: "Barrie also authored Jane Annie, a failed comic opera for Richard D'Oyly Carte (1893), which he begged his friend Arthur Conan Doyle to revise and finish for him."
This should be rewritten in two or three sentences. Our list of works--maybe unreliable in this--implies that Doyle did help and finish it in some sense before 1893. Also that the music was written by someone else--reliable, I'm sure. What does "for R.D.C." mean? When did it fail and in what sense, at Barrie's hand or after Doyle helped?
-- P64 ( talk) 00:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Regarding Little Minister or The Little Minister, subject of revise-and-revert a few hours ago.
We disambiguate unusually, The Little Minister (disambiguation). Presumably our now-primary film article The Little Minister will be renamed if someone writes a book and/or play article.
-- P64 ( talk) 01:07, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Both images of Barrie in the article are misdated, the first is a crop of an 1892 photo by Herbert Rose Barraud in the National Portrait Gallery, the second is not dated in the Library of Congress, but there is no way it is 1910 as Barrie had aged considerably by then, here's a photo of Barrie from 1909. It looks close to the 1892 portrait and the 1894 Elliott & Fry portrait at the NPG. If there are no objections I will relabel, possible adding further images of him at a greater age. Vladeraz ( talk) 22:15, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
I've removed the details about the two houses Barrie lived in in Gloucester Place and Bayswater Road firstly because the Literary Career section wouldn't be the right place for this and also because some of the facts about the house are incorrect or not properly sourced. The first reference from the Telegraph reads more like an estate agent's blurb, wishful thinking of the occupier: the house in Gloucester Road is not the inspiration for the Darlings' house. Barrie himself states in the opening of the play that the Darlings live in Bloomsbury, based on the house where he had lodgings when he first moved to London. Besides, there is no balcony in either the play or novel, just a window.
In the house in Bayswater Road, Barrie had a studio at the back of the garden, where he wrote Peter Pan, but he didn't use a room upstairs (source: Denis Mackail's biography, listed in the reference section). You need to be subscribed to the Sunday Times to read the article in full, so the reference is not acceptable for WP (and besides, it's full of mistakes and estate agent's hype). -- Stelmaris ( talk) 20:42, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Point taken, and sorry I jumped in too quick! I have however deleted all that trivia about the previous occupants of the Gloucester Road house, which wasn't even based on reality. I would also point out the Sunday Times article about the house in Bayswater is full of factual errors (such as the reference to Porthos, who died before the Barries moved into the house), and is not what could be considered as a serious journalistic piece, but an article on the Property section of the newspaper, possibly partly paid for by the estate agents to hype up interest.-- Stelmaris ( talk) 09:31, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I meant the trivia about the balconies - and I didn't necessarily meant that for you, sorry if you got that impression.
Only Barrie lived in Nottingham, from 1882 to 1884, before going back to Scotland. Then in 1885 he moved down to London and took up various lodgings first in Bloomsbury (Guilford Street, Grenville Street, Furnival Inns) as well as in the Marylebone and Mayfair areas when still a bachelor. The lodgings in Grenville are the ones referred to in the first scene of Peter Pan, setting the scene and location for the Darlings' house. Both Barrie and Mary lived in London when they got married and the house in Gloucester Road was the first he ever purchased. The move to South Kensington was definitely important in his life and the development of the Peter Pan stories, starting with The Little White Bird he wrote while in Gloucester Road, then the play while in Leinster Corner (and Black Lake Cottage). After his divorce, he moved to the Adelphi building off the Strand, where he wrote the novel Peter and Wendy. All of this information is found in Denis Mackail's very detailed biography, written shortly after Barrie's death, which is listed on the page. I would add all this to the page, but I'm not sure in what section? -- Stelmaris ( talk) 14:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I've just edited the paragraph, and deleted the text about the Barries moving to London, because they already lived in the city. They were married in Kirriemuir because he had fallen ill when visiting his mother, and Mary (then newly engaged) came up to nurse him. After their marriage, they went travelling on the Continent (mainly Switzerland) before returning to London in 1895, when they bought the house in Gloucester Road.-- Stelmaris ( talk) 15:06, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
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Someone keeps adding a documentary about Peter Pan to the page but it's unsourced, unreferenced and there's no information as to where or when it's been aired, or its producer. Research shows it has not been broadcast in the UK or US. So, unless the contributor adds a citation showing some notability, I will keep removing it. -- Stelmaris ( talk) 09:41, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
In the bio box it has JM as Scottish as his nationality, and British as his citizenship, is that correct according to Wiki? /info/en/?search=Nationality#Nationality_versus_citizenship. Halbared ( talk) 12:01, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion, the hyperlink on the 'Peter Pan' tab should be removed and should instead be moved to the 'See also' section because in my opinion it looks strange that one tab has a hyperlink on it but the rest don't, making the article lack consistency. Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 09:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Somethings not right about his childhood story.
His brother died when they lived in Bothwell (near Hamilton) and he went to Bothwell Academy where his older brother was the headmaster (see this article - https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/bothwells-link-peter-pan-unveiled-2417216).
So he must have lived in Bothwell when he was 6 years old and his family must of moved there from Kirriemuir when younger than that. El dude brother2 ( talk) 15:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Sorry I just realised the article says his brother David went to Bothwell Academy not JM himself so that makes sense. El dude brother2 ( talk) 15:40, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
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"Barrie was involved in the 1909 and 1911 attempts to challenge the censorship of the theatre by the Lord Chamberlain, along with a number of other playwrights." Is anyone else bothered by this, the last sentence of the 8th paragraph in the Literary Career section? It's impossible to tell, from this sentence, whether the Lord Chamberlain was attempting to censor or was, himself, involved in attempts to challenge the censorship. rowley ( talk) 04:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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The sentence "The BBC made an award-winning miniseries by Andrew Birkin, The Lost Boys at the Internet Movie Database. . ." seem awkwardly worded.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.206.117.246 ( talk • contribs) 06:30, 12 December 2006
I believe Barrie's brother David died while young and may have been part of the inspration for Peter. Will verify this and if true add it. Any comments anyone ? Julianp 01:17, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
... Barrie stated that they would tell stories, have warm milk and cookies, and that it is was very charming.
I think the "milk and cookies" and "charming" addition at the end of the Barrie article are in reference to the statement Michael Jackson made about why he likes being around children. I guess someone just couldn't resist making a comparison.
an excellent article by Anthony Lane on J.M. Barrie and the inspiration for the creation of Peter Pan appears in the November 22, 2004 issue of The New Yorker Magazine (a link to this article was added to "external links" section January 21, 2005) (contributor Khyber453@comcast.net) this change is a response to a request in the "Talk" section of Wikipedia for information about Barrie family history.
I am a bit disappointed that the article practically opens with an excuse (about his NOT being a pdeophile). As the French well know, qui s'excuse s'accuse, and Barrie needs no apologists, he seems to have handled himself with great dignity. That does not mean that he did not love his boys deeply, or that he did not enjoy their physical beauty. But no mention of that anywhere. He may have been short, but it is us who are the dwarves. Haiduc 03:32, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have just watched the film with K.Winslet and J.Depp, and have been very surprised instead, to discover here that J. M. Barrie falsefied the will of Sylvia Llewelyn Davies in order to become one of the tutors of the kids. To me, this is a clear sign that the mother did not trust him and opens the path to innuendos about pedophilia. I'd like the reference to this fact to be clearer -- S vecchiato ( talk) 10:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
When I read the article the first time, this stuck out to me (though it is not in the opener) because the thought that he sexually abused the boys never entered my mind until I read the defense against the rumors. I could understand why others would assume the worst about a man but I disregard it as rumors. It's quite an extraordinary claim to accuse someone of sexual abuse and being a pedophile. I want to remove the entire paragraph outright on the same logic as Haiduc and the Wikipedia policies surrounding verifiability and speculation. In other words, it "sounds like it is true, so it must be true" doesn't seem reasonable. As such, I've added the Who? tag to the speculative line (which the rest of the paragraph responds to). If, in fact, someone has gone on the record of accusing Barrie of these behaviors then it seems notable, verifiable and, due to the already researched defense providing neutrality, acceptable. Otherwise, I hope someone deletes the rumor mongering line (and thus the rest of the paragraph is rendered unnecessary). BossAnders ( talk) 14:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
In the opening para, Llewellyn has 2 sets of double els, but later on it has only one such set. I don't know which version is correct. Can anybody assist? JackofOz 05:58, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
His first two novels were set in Kirriemuir, disguised as "Thrums" (his father was a weaver).
What does Thrums mean, and what is the connection with weaving? Ubermonkey 13:28, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I sometimes wonder why Anthony Powell put Barrie, and H.G. Wells in with the fictional writer St.John Clarke in his novel "The Acceptance World". (the three of them are in an old photograph, then they are discussed a bit). I suppose no one knows, but Powell introduced nearly every element for a reason Seminumerical 10:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
The page for this condition mentions JM Barrie as a sufferer - this is a very serious condition usually found in feral children. Can anybody tell us whether he suffered the condition or something similar, and if so why ? thanks WinstonBerni 23:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
If Barrie 'never reached puberty' - how come he had a moustache, and quite a full one? A false one? Hardly. Delayed maybe, but never? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.8.122 ( talk • contribs) 22:34, October 17, 2006
I have removed the claim about Barrie suffering from Psychogenic Dwarfism. As CaerieD explains above, he seems to have been of average height for his own family if not the general population. The only source for the claim was an undergraduate class paper. If it's true, we should be able to do better than that. Please do not re-insert the claim about Psychogenic Dwarfism unless you have a proper source for it. CKarnstein 21:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Another reference to his height and facial hair-- Uncle John's Absolutely Absorbing Bathroom Reader has an article titled "The Dark Side of Peter Pan," which states that after the death of Barrie's brother, he tried to comfort his mother by "imitating David's mannerisms and mimicking his speech. This bizarre charade went on for years...and only got weirder: when James reached 13, the age at wihich David had died, he literally stopped growing. He never stood taller than 5', and didn't shave until he was 24. He always had a thin, high-pitched voice" (p. 507).
This would explain the thirty-something moustache, and also the dwarfism references. I won't correct anything, but that's another, more trustworthy reference in regards to this issue. Diimmortales 01:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've just edited back another overly-reaching statement about Barrie suffering from P.D., to acknowledge it as a theory (with the source), without the assertion of undocumented "facts" like the autopsy confirming he was pre-pubescent. - JasonAQuest ( talk) 12:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
May I add some generally accepted knowledge about Barrie's diminutive build and that of the local population. The east coast of Scotland traditionally has been known to have a breed of diminutive people of which Barrie was evidently one. His mother with the name of Ogilvy would indicate that she was a native of the east coast. The criminal history of Dundee cites a gang which terrified the city for a number of years known as the Cheeky Forty due to their diminutive size. The recently disbanned Gordon Regiment of Aberdeen was known for its minature sized soldiers and their tenacity. The average height of soldiers in WW1 was apparently 5' 3" (but I stand to be corrected on this point). Additionally, beards and mustaches in that era were in vogue probably similar to the cropped headed men of today (2010). One local Lady who apparently knew Barrie maintains that he was vain. Furthermore, I spent a few years as a Child Care Officer with the Fife County Council when I found it easy and enjoyable to write children's fiction yet upon departure from the post I lost this ability. This knowledge tells me that Barrie was a heterosexual but a tenaciously ambitious one, an intelligent man who understood the fears, frustrations, dreams, and desires of prepubescent boys. He also appears to have been a caring and honourable person; how, indeed, can anyone maintain otherwise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delparc ( talk • contribs) 00:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
whats wrong with it?? why wont it work properly??!?!!? someone fix it!!??! urhghgughuhguurgh!!!! Bwithh 19:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
The article reads "after meeting George and Jack", but Jack is not mentioned earlier as one of the boys. Can someone please clarify? -- 1000Faces 07:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The reference to Barrie's mother on this page doesn't tally with the description in the Article from the new yorker; http://www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/articles/041122crat_atlarge?041122crat_atlarge
The room was dark, and when I heard the door shut and no sound come from the bed I was afraid, and I stood still. I suppose I was breathing hard, or perhaps I was crying, for after a time I heard a listless voice that had never been listless before say, “Is that you?” I think the tone hurt me, for I made no answer, and then the voice said more anxiously “Is that you?” again. I thought it was the dead boy she was speaking to, and I said in a little lonely voice, “No, it’s no’ him, it’s just me.” Then I heard a cry, and my mother turned in bed, and though it was dark I knew that she was holding out her arms.
This sounds quite different, and implies she loved him for himself; that he was the one who felt she would prefer his brother. Should the wiki article be corrected? I don't know the sources well enough myself. JClare 22:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I seriously doubt whether Barrie met either Robert Louis Stevenson or Arthur Conan Doyle at Edinburgh University. Sure he corresponded with Stevenson, but as far as I know they never actually met in person. Given that Stevenson was ten years his senior, doesn't make sense that they would have met as students. I believe he met Conan Doyle in London. The two were indeed friends, and even collaborated on a flop musical. All in all the section about his acquaintances is sorely lacking: Barrie basically knew everyone who was anyone back in his day. -- woggly 12:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
The line Life is what happens to you, while you're busy making other plans. Is this a Barrie quote? GoodDay 23:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Wondering if anyone agreed with this...Quote under the Llewellyn-Davies section states "Following Sylvia's death a few years later, Barrie claimed that they had been engaged to be married." In none of my research, have I ever heard this claim. Does anyone have a citation for this? I assumed it was a well-known fact that the feelings Barrie had towards Sylvia were purely platonic.-- sidahboo 08:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Contrary to what User:79.73.94.229 asserted in the edit history, Scottish writers are commonly identified in their intros as "Scottish", not as "British". I just looked at over a dozen random entries on list of Scottish writers, and all but one called the subject "Scottish". (The exception was Robbie Burns(!), whose intro paragraph doesn't apply an adjective to him, but is instead littered with references to "Scotland" and "Scots".) While "British" may be more common among English UK writers, I believe that merely reflects a tendency for English people in general to identify themselves as "British" rather than "English"; this is markedly less common for Scottish people. Wikipedia's convention is to use the term the subject uses/would have used, and I think it's pretty clear that despite his long residence in London (where the theatre scene was) JMB - whose family, favorite holiday spots, and choice of burial site were all in Scotland - was "Scottish". - JasonAQuest ( talk) 23:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
His Scottishness is made perfectly clear throughout the entire article, his place or birth is given first and foremost, and I am not the one presuming to know anything about Barrie's personal preferences in regard to identity. He was a baronet of the British Empire and he lived in Britain all his life (but not in Scotland all his life). I don't see why referring to his nationality should be perceived as refusing to acknowledge his lifelong connections to his ethnic background. 79.74.35.122 ( talk) 02:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Look, stop trying to tell me what I am saying by my actions, as it's just plain arrogant and unhelpful to the discussion. I could claim that what you are saying by your actions is that the national identity of British people in the United Kingdom is inferior to their constituent region and that you are pushing an agenda that separatism rules. The original reason I gave still stands, and unless there is going to be a blanket policy on Wikipedia that stipulates that all writers from the UK should be labelled by their individual ethnicities or national identities, this dispute will not be resolved. 79.73.31.60 ( talk) 12:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is it not enough that the entire article makes his Scottish ethnicity more than obvious? There is nothing wrong with calling him a British novelist and dramatist since his birthplace and hertitage discussed in detail. 194.73.217.244 ( talk) 14:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
It's the overriding consensus amongst nationalists, zealots and separatists, and just because it's longstanding doesn't make it correct. I have yet to see it explained why "British" is so unacceptable when his Scottish ethnicity is detailed throughout the entire article - but I can't be bothered to ask you because this is a SUPER boring debate now! I love it when people just strangle the life out of things to bore other people into submission. Let the nationalists and ignorant Americans prevail! Hurray hurray! 79.73.83.148 ( talk) 16:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Well you get a home run for being both - congrats ;-D 194.73.217.244 ( talk) 16:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone agrees, but I think the Infobox Notable Works section is terrible. Doesn't he have other notable works that aren't about Peter Pan? Dear Brutus, for instance? -- 15lsoucy ( talk) 11:10, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia shows a date of 1919, but according to the Internet Broadway Database, Beatrice Agnew, Ethel Barrymore, and John Barrymore appeared in a double bill with "Pantaloon" at the Criterion Theatre on Broadway in New York City. The opening date was Christmas Day, 1905. Agnew and John Barrymore were in both plays. Lionel Barrymore appeared in "Pantaloon" A version available on Amazon has a 1905 date (http://www.amazon.com/Alice-Fire-James-Matthew-Barrie/dp/1406929247/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274535281&sr=8-4) Jtyroler ( talk) 13:36, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
-- Mais oui! ( talk) 06:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
quote: "Barrie also authored Jane Annie, a failed comic opera for Richard D'Oyly Carte (1893), which he begged his friend Arthur Conan Doyle to revise and finish for him."
This should be rewritten in two or three sentences. Our list of works--maybe unreliable in this--implies that Doyle did help and finish it in some sense before 1893. Also that the music was written by someone else--reliable, I'm sure. What does "for R.D.C." mean? When did it fail and in what sense, at Barrie's hand or after Doyle helped?
-- P64 ( talk) 00:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Regarding Little Minister or The Little Minister, subject of revise-and-revert a few hours ago.
We disambiguate unusually, The Little Minister (disambiguation). Presumably our now-primary film article The Little Minister will be renamed if someone writes a book and/or play article.
-- P64 ( talk) 01:07, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Both images of Barrie in the article are misdated, the first is a crop of an 1892 photo by Herbert Rose Barraud in the National Portrait Gallery, the second is not dated in the Library of Congress, but there is no way it is 1910 as Barrie had aged considerably by then, here's a photo of Barrie from 1909. It looks close to the 1892 portrait and the 1894 Elliott & Fry portrait at the NPG. If there are no objections I will relabel, possible adding further images of him at a greater age. Vladeraz ( talk) 22:15, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
I've removed the details about the two houses Barrie lived in in Gloucester Place and Bayswater Road firstly because the Literary Career section wouldn't be the right place for this and also because some of the facts about the house are incorrect or not properly sourced. The first reference from the Telegraph reads more like an estate agent's blurb, wishful thinking of the occupier: the house in Gloucester Road is not the inspiration for the Darlings' house. Barrie himself states in the opening of the play that the Darlings live in Bloomsbury, based on the house where he had lodgings when he first moved to London. Besides, there is no balcony in either the play or novel, just a window.
In the house in Bayswater Road, Barrie had a studio at the back of the garden, where he wrote Peter Pan, but he didn't use a room upstairs (source: Denis Mackail's biography, listed in the reference section). You need to be subscribed to the Sunday Times to read the article in full, so the reference is not acceptable for WP (and besides, it's full of mistakes and estate agent's hype). -- Stelmaris ( talk) 20:42, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Point taken, and sorry I jumped in too quick! I have however deleted all that trivia about the previous occupants of the Gloucester Road house, which wasn't even based on reality. I would also point out the Sunday Times article about the house in Bayswater is full of factual errors (such as the reference to Porthos, who died before the Barries moved into the house), and is not what could be considered as a serious journalistic piece, but an article on the Property section of the newspaper, possibly partly paid for by the estate agents to hype up interest.-- Stelmaris ( talk) 09:31, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I meant the trivia about the balconies - and I didn't necessarily meant that for you, sorry if you got that impression.
Only Barrie lived in Nottingham, from 1882 to 1884, before going back to Scotland. Then in 1885 he moved down to London and took up various lodgings first in Bloomsbury (Guilford Street, Grenville Street, Furnival Inns) as well as in the Marylebone and Mayfair areas when still a bachelor. The lodgings in Grenville are the ones referred to in the first scene of Peter Pan, setting the scene and location for the Darlings' house. Both Barrie and Mary lived in London when they got married and the house in Gloucester Road was the first he ever purchased. The move to South Kensington was definitely important in his life and the development of the Peter Pan stories, starting with The Little White Bird he wrote while in Gloucester Road, then the play while in Leinster Corner (and Black Lake Cottage). After his divorce, he moved to the Adelphi building off the Strand, where he wrote the novel Peter and Wendy. All of this information is found in Denis Mackail's very detailed biography, written shortly after Barrie's death, which is listed on the page. I would add all this to the page, but I'm not sure in what section? -- Stelmaris ( talk) 14:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I've just edited the paragraph, and deleted the text about the Barries moving to London, because they already lived in the city. They were married in Kirriemuir because he had fallen ill when visiting his mother, and Mary (then newly engaged) came up to nurse him. After their marriage, they went travelling on the Continent (mainly Switzerland) before returning to London in 1895, when they bought the house in Gloucester Road.-- Stelmaris ( talk) 15:06, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
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Someone keeps adding a documentary about Peter Pan to the page but it's unsourced, unreferenced and there's no information as to where or when it's been aired, or its producer. Research shows it has not been broadcast in the UK or US. So, unless the contributor adds a citation showing some notability, I will keep removing it. -- Stelmaris ( talk) 09:41, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
In the bio box it has JM as Scottish as his nationality, and British as his citizenship, is that correct according to Wiki? /info/en/?search=Nationality#Nationality_versus_citizenship. Halbared ( talk) 12:01, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion, the hyperlink on the 'Peter Pan' tab should be removed and should instead be moved to the 'See also' section because in my opinion it looks strange that one tab has a hyperlink on it but the rest don't, making the article lack consistency. Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 09:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Somethings not right about his childhood story.
His brother died when they lived in Bothwell (near Hamilton) and he went to Bothwell Academy where his older brother was the headmaster (see this article - https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/bothwells-link-peter-pan-unveiled-2417216).
So he must have lived in Bothwell when he was 6 years old and his family must of moved there from Kirriemuir when younger than that. El dude brother2 ( talk) 15:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Sorry I just realised the article says his brother David went to Bothwell Academy not JM himself so that makes sense. El dude brother2 ( talk) 15:40, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
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learned from agadmator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L7CdoSDepQ Thewriter006 ( talk) 17:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
"Barrie was involved in the 1909 and 1911 attempts to challenge the censorship of the theatre by the Lord Chamberlain, along with a number of other playwrights." Is anyone else bothered by this, the last sentence of the 8th paragraph in the Literary Career section? It's impossible to tell, from this sentence, whether the Lord Chamberlain was attempting to censor or was, himself, involved in attempts to challenge the censorship. rowley ( talk) 04:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)