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/b/ "raided" the article (actually there was only one edit)
Pelican19 wrote "/b/ told me to do it" after "exerting much influence in Europe." in Pre-history and medieval period section.
I can't edit, so please someone else do it.
Danquebec ( talk) 04:45, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
The local pronunciation is more widely used than the general one, and is also not exclusive to Ireland. Therefore, I do not think it should be listed as a local pronunciation, it should be listed as the correct one. The other pronunciation is only used by Americans and Canadians...
Signed Fiveby5 ( talk • contribs) 13:38, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
NASA made a nice new cloud-free satellite view of Ireland available (uploaded to Commons as File:Ireland (MODIS).jpg). Could probably be incorporated into the Geography section, if someone's feeling up to it. -- Schneelocke ( talk) 11:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
In the food and drink area of the culture section, there are two notable errors I have found. Coddle is listed along with drisheen as a type of sausage, when in fact it is a stew made from bacon, sausages, onions and potatoes. Also, this sentence is incorrect:
Cider, particularly Magners (marketed in the Republic of Ireland as Bulmers),
Bulmers Original Cider is the official brand sold by the company Bulmers Ltd. exported as Magners as stated in the "About us" section of their website. http://www.bulmers.ie/about-us/ I would greatly appreciate any thoughts how best to change these as I don't want to just jump in and edit without feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.81.66 ( talk) 18:31, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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Hello in this text you mention that after the executions of the 1916 leaders Ireland wanted Home Rule,this is wrong. After the deaths of the leaders Ireland wanted Independence and nothing to do with Britain. Under Home Rule Ireland would rule themselves but still be a part of Britain while with independence they would have complete control of the country. Home Rule was put on the shelves due to the world war 1 and yes Home Rule was wanted by Ireland in 1913 but due to the mistreatment of Irish people from that time up to 1916/1917 the Irish attitudes changed to independence.
I hope you can change what you have said in this text. Fatneymc ( talk) 12:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Why not? Generally, all the other countries use the name to indicate the country, not the island. Japan isn't the island, Madagascar isn't the island, and Cuba isn't the island. Furthermore, take an example from Hispaniola, which is the island divided in two parts, with Haiti on the west and Dominican Republic on the east. So this could be Hibernia, with Ireland and a little portion of West UK - Ulster. Negativecharge ( talk) 22:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I've reverted the addition of the {{ citecheck}} banner. It was added on the basis that, "Citations providing facts may refer mistakenly to Ireland the state, as opposed to Ireland the island in multiple instances." Specific examples would need to be given. A general "may" on the basis that there are two entities of the same name is insufficient reason. Particularly, when there is a large overlap between the two entities in any case. --RA ( talk) 11:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
"O'Connell spearheaded a vigorous campaign which was taken up by the Prime Minister, the Irish-born soldier and statesman, the Duke of Wellington."
What was this campaign?
"Steering the Act through the Westminster parliament, aided by future prime minister Robert Peel, Wellington prevailed upon a reluctant George IV to sign the bill and proclaim it into law."
Which bill?
Regards to all, Notreallydavid ( talk) 09:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Any chance we could get someone that's actually from Ireland to record the pronunciation of the word in English instead of an american? I've never met any Irish person who says "eye-er-land". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.129.16 ( talk) 13:26, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion this Ireland "everybody knows it's an island" page gives a bad reputation to Wikipedia.
The word "Ireland", albeit technically ambiguous, in most common speech refers to the country, not the island. Obviously there has been a political dispute between the UK and Ireland, with Ireland insisting on their own ambiguous name "Ireland", and the UK using the unambiguous term "Republic of Ireland". Nonetheless, "Ireland" has also been accepted by the United Nations and ISO as the official name of the country. Therefore I find it unappropriate that the word "Ireland" links to the geographical entity as it does now.
For comparison please consider a similar case of "Samoa". Here actually the country names are honoured rather than disambiguation or even geographical features:
n.b. Indeed I see there has been a discussion and a vote in favour of the Ireland status quo almost two years ago. However, it has been without a consensus, and so the issue is rather "quiet" than resolved. One of the critiques against changes previously has been the lack of objections from general users. Now as a general user I feel compelled to express my discomfort about the current use of the name "Ireland" by Wikipedia. As such I hope this is the appropriate place to post this statement, alternatively please if you could point me to some more appropriate place. Nothingiswrong ( talk) 15:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
The lede makes this statement:
A strong Irish culture exists, as expressed for example through Gaelic games, Irish music and the Irish language, alongside a common Western culture, such as contemporary music and drama, and sports such as soccer, rugby and golf, and the English language.
There are no references that exactly back up this possibly subjectively worded statement. Western culture is just as strong in Ireland as Irish culture itself is, if not more so in certain aspects, and trying to supplant one over the other like this with possible subjective wording is silly in my opinion. Could it not be reworded as such so none is placed above the other:
In Ireland, Irish culture, expressed for example through Gaelic games, Irish music and the Irish language, exists alongside Western culture, such as contemporary music and drama, and sports such as soccer, rugby and golf, and the English language.
Mabuska (talk) 13:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
A strong indigenous culture exists, as expressed for example through Gaelic games, Irish music and the Irish language, as well as mainstream Western culture, such as contemporary music and drama, and a culture shared in common with Great Britain, as expressed through sports such as soccer, rugby and golf, and the English language.
Why if it is internationally recognised that Ireland is a soveriegn state in legaslature and international organizations is it not on Wikipedia ? This should be referred to as the "Island of Ireland" and the article on the soveriegn state as "Ireland" . http://www.un.org/en/members/ http://publications.europa.eu/code/pdf/370000en.htm Mabuska as a citizen of a country that has adopted the EU constitution do you not follow it? Or do you pick and choose what articles of it to follow? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.85.165 ( talk) 09:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
"it the problem that arises when you name yourself after a geographical entity that your borders aren't synonymous with." The citizenship borders are synonymous with that geographical one as the UK government agree . The UK adopted the Eu constitution but as they dont have a written one it could be agrued either way but as the European Courts are higher than any UK court -no matter which version of UK law is being used- it stands that Ireland is the soveriegn states legal name in the UK . The outcome on this debate could be a legal cursor on Wikipedia for "Failure of Human Rights" , as Wikipedia fail to uphold what is international law ( by being in international documents and treaties - yes this makes it legally the name of the state .
I never threaten litigation , I stated "could be" talk, If i was to be banned over freedom of sspeech issues that also could be a issue its self . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.85.165 ( talk) 10:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry Valenciano , thank you .I have read what is defined as a leagl threat . The informing that legal action could result is the exact same as Wikipedias own legal section . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.85.165 ( talk) 10:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
JonChapple there is no entity called RoI , the Republic of Ireland other than a footballing team . That name was forced on a team from the country of Ireland by the IFAB which advised FIFA what the team should be called , based that back then the IFAB was 8 british advisrs and 4 international is it any wonder why the british pushed thier view through , a bit like what yous do on here . I see you are a monarchist , when the queen was on state visit she referred to the state as Ireland , nothing else , seems that your head of state recognized what the country is called. Ulster is a geographical term , not a part of your state . As I said you ,you have adopted the EU constitution , please find where it states ANYTHING other than Ireland . After all it is now legal more powerful than you unwritten and dictates life in the UK . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.71.250 ( talk) 10:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
For now, please forward all comments regarding such page move proposals to the already existing discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration.
ArbCom has been aware of these ongoing discussions for the past few weeks (see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification: WP:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names). And since ArbCom wants the community to come up with a resolution to this issue, it is in the best interests of everybody if all such discussions were in one, agreed upon central location. One cannot easily determine the full consensus of the entire community if a group of people say one thing on that page, and another group agrees to the opposite on this page. And yes, ArbCom would definitely admonish any admin who starts moving the Ireland pages without the proper consensus (so it is rather pointless to have this separate discussion on this page anyway, unless you know of any admin who wouldn't mind risking being both blocked and desysopped). Thanks. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 08:24, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Ireland → Island of Ireland – Googling Ireland -wikipedia suggests that the Republic of Ireland is prominent among the topics desired by those entering the search term "Ireland". Is it therefore appropriate to choose a title that makes it clear that this is not the Wiki article intended for those seeking to learn about the Republic. Readers are able to find the article they are seeking more easily when the article title matches the content of the article. The term "Ireland" would direct to "Island of Ireland" after this move, without prejudice to any future request regarding its status. The phrase “Island of Ireland" gets 10,900 post-1990 hits on Google Books. This shows that it is a common name, not a descriptive, and a worthy title of a major article. “Island of Ireland" is currently a redirect to this page, so there is no primary topic issue. Kauffner ( talk) 03:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Boring procedural nonsense: By order of Arbcom, there must be no page move discussions concerning Ireland prior to September 18, 2011. As today is September 18, I submit my “modest proposal" at this time. Note that under this proposal “Ireland" would continue to direct to the island, while the “Republic of Ireland" would remain at that lemma. This conforms to the infamous “ Option F", which was approved in a vote taken in 2009. Kauffner ( talk) 03:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
There is a poll taking place here on whether or not to extend the ArbCom binding resolution, which says there may be no page move discussions for Ireland, Republic of Ireland or Ireland (disambiguation), for a further two years. Scolaire ( talk) 11:23, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Minor Point, Re Samson and Goliath image caption: Since it appears that we can't seem to decide whether the H&W area of Belfast is on the County Antrim side or the County Down side, and considering a recent , I've just changed "Belfast, County Antrim" to "Belfast, Northern Ireland" until there is some sort of citation attached. ★ KEYS★ (talk) 11:20, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
After a two-year ban imposed by Arbcom, a page move discussion for the Republic of Ireland can be entertained.
When I read the introduction, I see this text:
"There are twenty-six extant mammal species native to Ireland irish people enjoy patatoes."
Somehow I cannot find the offending text in the edit page. Hopefully someone more skilled than me can remove it. Or at least spell potatoes correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.114.25.131 ( talk) 02:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, just a note on Irelands pre-history. please check the dates for the migration from Britain to Ireland. This may help, check out the pre-history of Wales. Cheers x x — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.109.148.82 ( talk) 22:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
I posted |national anthem =
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Amhrán na bhFiann onto the article.. but it's not showing up. Help?
Twillisjr ( talk) 20:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing out the political issues surrounding the "Ireland National Anthem." Perhaps then, there should be at a minimum, a section of this article that explains Amhrán na bhFiann and God Save the Queen both being considered their national anthems (or not). A citizen's belief in sovereignty of many nations depend on a mention of such items and symbols. Please also review: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ei.html
"name: "Amhran na bhFiann" (The Soldier's Song) lyrics/music: Peadar KEARNEY [English], Liam O RINN [Irish]/Patrick HEENEY and Peadar KEARNEY note: adopted 1926; instead of "Amhran na bhFiann," the song "Ireland's Call" is often used in athletic events where citizens of the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland compete as a unified team"
Twillisjr ( talk) 20:59, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Got it, thanks.
Twillisjr ( talk) 22:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
So, it appears Ireland is attempting to push through with its own version of SOPA. Any comments concerning this? Should it be brought up in the article? Or perhaps a relating article? ...Should it be silenced down into oblivion? 83.189.184.232 ( talk) 21:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
How ridiculous that this article is about the chunk of land in the sea and not the country known as Ireland. And I say that as a British person too. Coolug ( talk) 09:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
"Irish is the only language to have originated from within the island. " This appears in the art section. There are two other languages I know of that are native to Ireland, Cant being one, Yola being another. Cant died out in the 1950's as far as I know, though many words still survive in Traveller's English dialect now. Yola a died out in the decades after the famine. The sentence I quoted is prefaced by the sentence - "There are a number of languages used in Ireland." I think it is misleading to say "Irish is the only language to have originated from within the island" as a standalone sentence. If it was changed to "Irish is the only one of those language to have originated from within the island" it would make more sense. Alternatively, mention could be made of Cant and Yola. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.223.193 ( talk) 15:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
I think that irelands call and amhrán na bhfiann shold be mentioned either on this or the republic of ireland page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.239.84 ( talk) 17:03, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
to save confusion and frustration this page should be moved to republic of Ireland,and another page sould be created for the island — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philpm930 ( talk • contribs) 20:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
when i typ[e in ireland tthis page shows up not the republicc of ireland Philpm930 ( talk) 22:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
So you are using the Ireland talk page to propose that "people" do (or stop doing) something for which WP is "a propitious place", but that is "clearly not wanted"...? Nope, still don't think that counts as lucid; I'm not sure how I would even go about "centring" my "Wikipedia life", if I had such a thing, around "sea change" or its un-named alternative. Have you any actual proposal to make concerning the content of this article? Brocach ( talk) 12:04, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
That and is what is going on here with regard to Wikipedia's "Ireland" page. Elsewhere in Wikipedia cooler heads seem to prevail in determining what should have precedence. That's what the issue is here. Precedence, not the changing or definitions.
The fact that "Ireland" does NOT land us on the page of the country that calls itself that and nothing more than that, and is officially and unofficially and colloquially and intellectually and in every other way is recognized as that (by almost everyone that speaks the language) implies nothing but irrational intransigence that should have no place in NPOV Wikipedia. Making this page refer to the republic does NOT disqualify or negate or invalidate any alleged "other primary" meaning that the word "Ireland" is supposed to have in the eyes of a handful of British nationalists or British flora and fauna enthusiasts or whoever we are supposed to believe still uses the term "Republic of Ireland", every-time they refer to the country. All the moving of the page does is recognize and give precedence to the facts. And the facts are supported by the totality of evidence in the form of reliable sources and every other measure for that matter.
Besides, even within that one "Wikipedia hijacking" country, the ground is shifting and nowadays the use of the word Ireland is aligning more and more with the usage elsewhere. In other words Wikipedia's agenda-driven refusal to do the right thing (do the same logical thing as what was done to the "China" page) only serves the purpose of badly reflecting on Wikipedia itself. To an onlooker it appears as if Wikipedia has some sort of (un)official or tacit loyalty to some British entity or interest, to not allow the logical change. Loginnigol ( talk) 14:44, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Compare this article with Great Britain and you'll see that there is far too much material in this article, much of which is duplicated at Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland. I suggest the article is trimmed down to just relevant geographical facts and maybe even renamed to Ireland (island). As it stands, for a purely geographical entity, this article carries far too much weight. Van Speijk ( talk) 16:07, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I've moved most of the Governance section to Demography and copy-edited the remainder. I've (boldly) removed most of the Economy section (I expect some of this may go back in) and moved the single-energy market stuff to the all-island instutions part. -- RA ( talk) 09:11, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Something, obvious, that the former Governance section needs is some sort of summary of ROI and NI. -- RA ( talk) 09:13, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Which is the most commonly used term for the sport in Ireland? I would say judging by this and this it would seem Football is -- OfTheGreen ( talk) 15:47, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
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Hellow, I'm Yasmine and I would like to edit and/or Put in some more interesting facts about Ireland! Hope you let me:).
Thank you..;)
Yasminek123 ( talk) 14:28, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
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O'k, Scolaire, I can not see why lacking the British pronunciation only out of absence of a pertinent ogg? Can't you see it is silly to have every other one but not the British — as if the larger island has been bombarded by nuclear weapon to ultimate oblivion, eh? Lincoln Josh ( talk) 10:02, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Why "OK, Scolaire"? I don't remember editing anything to do with pronunciation. If I did, it was months ago. And what on earth does " just remove "the ogg file" while you're reluctant to admit A STUB!" mean??? Scolaire ( talk) 08:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Is the sobriquet 'the Ould Sod', appropriate at the infobox. One editor at least, appears to think so 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. RashersTierney ( talk) 19:34, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
No its not appropriate. Its merely a Hollywood coined phrase, probably never used by any Irish emigrant so no definitely not! Finnegas ( talk) 19:49, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
The question is, do we need nicknames at all? "Emerald Isle" I can just about live with, but "Island of Saints and Scholars"? Come on guys, seriously! Scolaire ( talk) 08:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
In these pages, however, we have said enough to vindicate the right of ancient Erin to that glorious title, by which since the twelfth century she has been known to the scholars of all Europe — INSULA SANCTORUM ET DOCTORUM* — The Island of Saints and Scholars. * The earliest authority we know for the first part of this title is the ancient author of St. Alban's Life:—"In hac insula tot viri eximiae sanctitatis fuerunt quod Insula Sanctorum nomine appropriato dicebatur." The corresponding Irish form was Inis na Naomh. Marianus Scotus, in his Chronicle, also calls it by the same title—Insula Sanctorum—under date of the year 696, but which is really a.d. 589. See Reeves' notes in the Ulster Journal of Archæology, vol. vii., p. 228.
Can we conclude this with a poll?
I'd just like to add that most seem to be basing their response of the opinion that they do not think the nickname field is a good idea however that is another question apart, i would also agree that it should possibly be removed however again thats a different question and therefore i think the above poll is invalid Caomhan27 ( talk) 00:07, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Personally I dont mind, the valid "nicknames" can be included in the body text, i had assumed that the country field boxes were generic ascross the board but clearly not so in that case i would agree that its not the best place for the information to be placed Caomhan27 ( talk) 14:45, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
This poll can be concluded as a resounding oppose to the addition of nicknames in the infobox. Mabuska (talk) 11:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
There are some seriously ukky pics in this article. Have none of you got a single taste bud? Look at the articles of other European countries! Sarah777 ( talk) 01:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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This section is a mixture of history and mythology, without distinguishing one from the other, and contains repetition and unsubstantiated claims. It needs a thorough edit with references. Comments? Hohenloh + 10:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Ha that's ok RA you might make me paranoid soon, I was unaware of the publisher status or that particular issue, but do I own it a copy and the author has to the extent possible given numerous historical and other non self published texts references, but as I said I would agree with any other sourced additions or agreed clean ups. Caomhan27 ( talk) 17:29, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
A Wikimeet is proposed for Northern Ireland in the next few months.
If you have never been to one, this is an opportunity to meet other Wikipedians in an informal atmosphere for Wiki and non-Wiki related chat and for beer or food if you like. Most take place on a Sunday afternoon in a suitable pub but other days and locations can also work.
Experienced and new contributors from both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are all welcome. This event is definitely not restricted just to discussion of Northern Ireland topics.
More info here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Northern_Ireland/1
-- RA ( talk) 13:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll leave it to the regulars here to figure out which one they like best, but – while the Emerald Isle satphoto is lovely and all – the page really needs a modern political map with major settlements (and, ideally, transport lines) somewhere on this main page. Thanks. 101.87.187.234 ( talk) 14:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be an argument about the proportion o Ireland split between the Republic and NI. I think the problem is that the various sources give different amounts. I had a look at the OSi: Area and Land Mass page on this and it even had a mistake in its sum for the total area!
Land Water (Fresh & Tidal) Total 26 Counties Statute Acres 16,893,559 (6,841,891.4 H) 473,688 (191,843.64 H) 17,367,247 (7,033,735.04 H) Square Miles 26,401 735.9 27,136.90 6 Counties Statute Acres 3,336,498 (1,351,281.69 H) 155,350 (62,916.75 H) 3,491,848 (1,414,198.44 H) Square Miles 5,156.40 299.6 5,456 Ireland Statute Acres 20,230,057 (8,193,173.09 H) 629,038 (254,760.39 H) 20,859,095 (8,447,933.48 H) Square Miles 31,557.40 1035.5 32,529.90
If you add up 27,136.90 and 5,456 one should get 32,592.90 not 32,529.90 - they swapped two digits. Dmcq ( talk) 08:09, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
You might be misunderstanding what I have raised for discussion. I would like to identify sources (i.e. numbers) confirming the position. They don't have to refer to fractions. We can calculate from numbers. The OSI source had a typo in the middle of it so I've asked for interested editors if there are other numbers out there. Google results don't match OSI numbers. I don't know where their numbers come from either. I am discussing the substantive point; not merely presentation in the article. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 14:18, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I may be misunderstanding you as well, Frenchmalawi, but it looks to me as though you are saying that it is the actual figures that matter to you, not what it says in the article. Perhaps you didn't see the notice at the top of this page that says, "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Ireland article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject." Scolaire ( talk) 17:40, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Playing round on Google Maps, I noticed most of Ireland's actually south of centre latitude of Europe ( Illustration). Rob ( talk | contribs) 20:25, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
User:Davidfreesefan23 (talk) 19:45, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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The section "Emergence of Celtic Ireland" urgently needs to be trimmed and re-written.
It's based on a theory that has long been rejected: the theory that Iron Age Ireland was 'colonized' by waves of invaders from mainland Europe. This theory was popular for quite a while, but was based mainly on books such as the Lebor Gabála (a medieval Christian pseudo-history), rather than archeology.
The section presents that theory, and a lot of wild speculation, as if it's truth. Most of the section is taken up by details of each supposed 'colonization'. Here's one paragraph as an example: "The Priteni were the first to colonize the island, followed by the Belgae who invaded Ireland from northern Gaul and Britain. Later, Laighin tribes from Armorica (present-day Brittany) are believed to have invaded Ireland and Britain more or less simultaneously. Lastly, the Milesians (Gaels) reached Ireland…"
As anyone familiar with the topic will know, there is simply no evidence for these mass invasions or migrations. Today, the mainstream view among archeologists and historians is that Ireland's population stayed largely the same amid gradual cultural change. This mainstream view only gets one line, which is followed by this biased and mistaken claim: "However they have no explanation as to routes by which Celtic cultures and languages came to Ireland".
Myself and
Fergananim hav tried to change it to reflect the mainstream view, but our changes hav been undone by
Setanta Saki.
I suggest we go back to
this version for the time being.
~Asarlaí 00:03, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
During the Iron Age, a Celtic language and culture emerged in Ireland. The traditional view, once widely accepted, is that Celtic language and culture were brought to Ireland by waves of invading or migrating Celts from mainland Europe – specifically Gaul and Iberia. According to some proponents of the theory, such as T. F. O'Rahilly, these waves were: the Priteni (who arrived in the 7th century BC), the Iverni (a branch of the Belgae who arrived in the 5th century BC), the Laigin (who arrived in the 3rd century BC), and the Gaels (who arrived in the 2nd century BC). However, this view has fallen out of favour, as there is no archeological evidence for any large-scale immigration into Ireland in this period. Today, the mainstream view among archeologists and historians is that Ireland's population remained largely the same amid changes of culture, brought about by cultural diffusion. The traditional view is that Celtic languages emerged in the central European Halstatt culture, but recently it has been suggested that they originated in the Atlantic Bronze Age cultural zone that included Ireland.
I likewise point out that genetic genealogy finds no intrusive DNA - either Y-DNA, or mtDNA - from the homeland of the Celts during the Irish Iron Age (nor after or before). However I cannot recall the link. Have to leave some work for you young ones! Fergananim ( talk) 15:17, 20 March 2014 (UTC)This
Also my phrasing about some of your previous edits only in this area of course was slightly harsh. There is no harm in you promoting an established theory that you believe, but I think it becomes destructive when in the doing so you concurrently erase others of equal legitimacy. A crude example would in the theory of light as a wave or a particle, you wouldn't start deleting information on the wave theory as you were adding information on the particle theory, neither is perfect. The same approach should be used in this area, neither academic theory is definitive and each has flaws. Setanta Saki ( talk) 23:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
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Source #23 is now considered quite out of date. The population of the British Isles and Ireland is now well established through genetic testing to be of northern Iberian origin with the strongest genetic ties to the Basqes. Even the NIH document cited in the Ireland article says, "The affinities of the areas where Celtic languages are spoken, or were formerly spoken, are generally with other regions in the Atlantic zone, from northern Spain to northern Britain." This article is reaching for a reason to tie Ireland to a Celtic genetic heritage rather than a generally agreed cultural conquest such as that which occurred in Mexico.
Your own Wikipage on "Irish People" says "That there exists an especially strong genetic association between the Irish and the Basques, one even closer than the relationship between other west Europeans, was first challenged in 2005,[27] and in 2007 scientists began looking at the possibility of a more recent Mesolithic- or even Neolithic-era entrance of R1b into Europe.[28] A new study published in 2010 by Balaresque et al. implies either a Mesolithic- or Neolithic- (not Paleolithic) era entrance of R1b into Europe.[29] However, all these genetic studies are in agreement that the Irish and Basque (along with the Welsh) share the highest percentage of R1b populations."
Please be consistent. 24.55.0.106 ( talk) 16:18, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
For the editors of this article - here is an article that discusses the international life sciences and pharmaceutical industry within Ireland, and has some really good coverage.
It is a 2008 article so, hopefully, it is not outdated. Here it is : Pharmaceutical and Biopharmaceutical Manufacturing Advances in Ireland. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 04:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
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Please change: A period of rapid economic expansion from 1995 onwards became known as the Celtic Tiger period, was brought to an end in 2008 with an unprecedented financial crisis and and economic depression in 2009. To: A period of rapid economic expansion from 1995 onwards became known as the Celtic Tiger period, was brought to an end in 2008 with an unprecedented financial crisis and an economic depression in 2009. Because: 'and and' is incorrect and should be 'and an'. Mrmmaclean ( talk) 22:01, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
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Ireland is it's own free state and is not just an island near Britain therefore it is not in the British Isles it is recognised as a country and not a colonised area of Britain
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The British Isles as a geographical term derives from an ancient Greek term for the islands centuries before any political union. The terms "Britain" and "British" were origionally purely geographical and included both large islands and all the smaller islands in the archipelago. The term should not be changed just because the larger island uses it to refer to itself politically. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlwynJPie ( talk • contribs) 20:22, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I propose that the title of this article should be changed to the Island of Ireland to make it clear that this article relates and encompasses the independent sovereign state of Ireland or Republic of Ireland and the constituant territory of the United Kingdom of Northern Ireland. I would not usually make this request, only there has been some argument by a certain user on the Republic of Ireland talk page that Ireland should be titled as Southern Ireland, despite many attempts by various users that the Republic of Ireland is reffering to the state and officially it called Ireland through the European Union, United Nations, and even the British Foreign Office. I would invite all those concerned that they read up on the talk pages for the Republic of Ireland and Southern Ireland before commeting here, thereby getting an understanding at what and why I am requesting the name change to the Island of Ireland here and so to uncomplicate things for any user and others that seems not to understand the difference between the two articles. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.226.161 ( talk) 19:46, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
The box lists "English, Irish, Ulster Scots", all linked to related articles. The "Ulster Scots" wikilink takes the reader to " " Ulster Scots dialects", which ledes with: "Ulster Scots or Ulster-Scots (Ulstèr-Scotch)[6][7] generally refers to the dialects of Scots spoken in parts of Ulster in Ireland.[5][8][9] Some definitions of Ulster Scots may also include Standard English spoken with an Ulster Scots accent.[10][11]".
A dialect, according to the Wiki article, "refers to a variety of a language that is a characteristic of a particular group of the language's speakers." "Ulster Scots" is *not* itself a language, it is a *dialect* of a language. As noted in the "Ulster Scots dialects" article, it is a dialect of Scots, and therefore "Scots" is the language that can comparably be listed with "English" and "Irish", and it can be qualified with a parenthetical reference to "Ulster Scots dialects." Shoreranger ( talk) 15:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I think the article should be moved to Ireland (Island) since the reader commonly associated "Ireland" to "Republic of Ireland" and enter the article is remarkable that the island has to Ireland (Republic) and Northern Ireland. It would be correct, because in effect it is an island, the problem is that the article is semi-protected. They think?. Jaam0121 ( talk) 19:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
The article states (under section Science) "discovered the Tyndall effect, which explains why the sky is blue" but according to the linked article, this is Raleigh Scattering, *not* the Tyndall effect. Cranium ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
ShockD ( talk) 15:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC) The Irish flag is not shown once in this article. Why?
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Currently it states that "Politically, Ireland is divided between the Republic of Ireland, which covers five-sixths of the island,..." This should not just state that politically it`s divided because it is obviously geographically, physically if you like, split too. I suggest something akin to simply dropping the introductory sentence & begin with: "Ireland is divided: "Ireland is divided between the Republic of Ireland, which covers five-sixths of the island..." " As to sources well I could list references forever as this is a core fact & accepted so & to drop the "politically" keeps it clear. Thank you.
Never2 ( talk) 12:56, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Ireland is, of course, not the largest (in terms of area) island of the British Isles archipelago, but only the second largest one, whereas Great Britain is the largest island there !! Thomas Limberg (Schmogrow) 93.197.46.203 ( talk) 08:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
In Bósa saga ok Herrauðs is to read:
There is, however, no such thing as a former Norseman, mentioned in the sources. Dan Koehl ( talk) 22:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Egil Skallagrimsson saga: Björn var farmaður mikill, var stundum í víking, en stundum í kaupferðum; Björn var hinn gervilegasti maður. (english: Björn was a great traveller; sometimes as viking, sometimes as tradesman.
So, a Norseman could be a viking for some time, and he could be a tradesman (or a baker, or a shepherd) for some time. But not all tradesmen, bakers, shepherds and vikings were Norseman.
Norseman spoke norse, but norse vikings did not speak vikingish, and norse shepherds did not speak shepherdish or bakerish.
Norsemen had norse culture, but there was no norse viking, baker or shepherd culture.
I think its important to remind people today about the term Norsemen, an accepted term by historians and archelogists, referring to people from the north, present Scandinavia. This term does not have any certain time limit, the Norsemen were norse in years, 400, 500, 657, 749, 803, 950, 1066 and 1100. Norsemen is a true ethnical group, for some reason neglected on Wikipedia. Whenever the word viking is mentioned, it can correctly be replaced by the term Norsemen in 95% of the cases. Norsemen are described in other Wikipedia languages, and since the english Wikipedia should be written from a global point of view, the term Norse and Norsemen should not be treated different.
The first documented use of the word viking is made by Orosius, written in latin, and translated into old english. There is to read about Alexander the Great´s father, Philip II of Macedonia: Philippus vero post longam obsidionem, ut pecuniam quam obsidendo exhauserat, praedando repararet, piraticam adgressus est. translated into: ac he scipa gegaderade, and i vicingas wurdon. In this time the word pirat was not used in the english language, the latin piraticam was directly translated to vicingus.
Interestingly enough, theres stories in the sagas, describing arabic piates, and they were in the sagas referred to, as vikings. = Vikings could be arabs practising piracy, and vikings could be macedonian kings practising piracy, but peaceful norse farmers, and their wifes, were never, ever, described as vikings before 1900.
For over 1 000 years, viking was nothing else than an old-english translation of the latin word pirate.
A macedonian king will never, ever, become scandinavian. An arabic pirat will never become scandinavian.
But a norseman was scandinavian, and the present scandinavians are descendants of Norsemen, according to historians and archelogists.
The sentence The linguistic contact of the Viking settlers of the Danelaw with the Anglo-Saxons left traces in the English language reflects a very poor knowledge in what viking actually means. As well as poor knowledge in the term Norsemen.
'Viking is a controversial term, Norsemen is not. For some reason, some people absolutely wants to call my ancestors vikings, which is historically incorrect and besides, unpolite. The Scandinavians as a an ethnic group, is more or less the same as Norsemen, Theres no problem whatsoever to use the correct term. Dan Koehl ( talk) 11:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
hi i would like to add the yola name for ireland to the page. yola is a language from wexford. thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yola12345 ( talk • contribs) 23:14, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
As we all know, Ireland is the name of the sovereign state with jurisdiction over 5/6ths of the island. Could we fix the info box accordingly? At the moment it says "Republic of Ireland" which isn't the name of any state and doesn't appear on any passport! My edit around this was reverted in 22 seconds (a record I think for me). Frenchmalawi ( talk) 00:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
...how come no one struggles with the same approach at Solomon Islands archipelago? Why that approach there and this approach here? Frenchmalawi ( talk) 00:24, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Disagree all you want. Dmcq and myself are correct and it follows WP:IMOS which is a community agreed consensus in regards to such matters. Don't like it, then get consensus for a change to it, though as I object to such an idea now, your not going to get a technical consensus. The status of Ireland's real name is not being denied, anyone clicking the wikilink to the article will clearly see that it's official name is Ireland. However the state's official description "Republic of Ireland" is useful to distinguish it from an island that has had the name for over a millenia longer than the present-day state that doesn't even span the entire island. Should we go around using Hellenic Republic in articles instead of Greece because the former is its official name? Look at the article for the Greek city of Thessaloniki. What does its infobox state? Hellenic Republic (the official state name) or Greece (the unofficial state name)? It says Greece. Even the Greeks don't call their state Greece but we use it anyways. Mabuska (talk) 11:45, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Politically, Ireland is divided between the Republic of Ireland, which covers five-sixths of the island, and Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom, which covers the remaining area and is located in the north-east of the island. The description Republic of Ireland is used in this article instead of the state's official name 'Ireland' to avoid confusion with the name of the island. The United Kingdom's full official name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The population of Ireland is about 6.4 million. Just under 4.6 million live in the Republic of Ireland and just over 1.8 million live in Northern Ireland.[7]
The naming of the article at Ireland and the usage and topic of the pagename "Ireland" are up for discussion, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration#Move "Ireland" to "Ireland (island)" or similar (June 2015) -- 70.51.203.69 ( talk) 05:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
I wish to add "Northern Irish" to the Demonym element of the infobox. Demonym: Northern Irish is already recognized on wikipedia here and from the most recent census in 2011, over half a million people in Northern Ireland are Northern Irish. Dubs boy ( talk) 23:05, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hi I think it would be good to add information about Irish doctors in the culture section. Graves's disease, McBurney's point, the defibrillator are all part of Ireland's cultural contribution to the world. http://irishamerica.com/2013/08/the-irish-of-medical-history/ Vinnypatel ( talk) 22:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
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Please change Ireland is part of the British Isles as this name is disputed, /info/en/?search=British_Isles_naming_dispute. Also your ref 6 is a link to UN page and not specific to ireland being officially part of the British Isles. Kindly present an official reference. News Insight ( talk) 14:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Not done as stated in British Isles naming dispute "the British Isles" refers to a European archipelago consisting of Great Britain, Ireland and adjacent islands. AFAIK there is no other WP:Common name for this group of islands - if there is please provide it, with a reliable source. - Arjayay ( talk) 15:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Please find a link to an alternative name - IONA (Islands of the North Atlantic) /info/en/?search=Islands_of_the_North_Atlantic "It has been used particularly in the context of the Northern Irish peace process during the negotiation of the Good Friday Agreement, as a neutral name for the proposed council.[4]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by News Insight ( talk • contribs) 15:32, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Ref 6 is not accurate. Change the line 'Ireland is part of the British Isles ' or show an unbiased (non british) source thats internationally recognised. The term is offensive to Irish people "Many political bodies, including the Irish government, avoid describing Ireland as being part of the British Isles; Eamon de Valera, for example, corrected John Gunther when the journalist used the term during a private meeting in the mid-1930s.[39]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by News Insight ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Please change Ireland is part of the British Isles as this name is disputed please see, /info/en/?search=British_Isles_naming_dispute. Also The reference 6 after this sentence is a link to UN page and not accurate in showing any evidence to suggest Ireland being part of the British Isles. Kindly present an official reference. News Insight (talk) 14:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC) I can suggest an alternative name - IONA (Islands of the North Atlantic) /info/en/?search=Islands_of_the_North_Atlantic "It has been used particularly in the context of the Northern Irish peace process during the negotiation of the Good Friday Agreement" Here is quote from /info/en/?search=British_Isles_naming_dispute. about the term 'British Isles' "The term is offensive to Irish people "Many political bodies, including the Irish government, avoid describing Ireland as being part of the British Isles; Eamon de Valera, for example, corrected John Gunther when the journalist used the term during a private meeting in the mid-1930s.[39]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by News Insight ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
The origin of the term British Isles for the group of islands that contain Great Britain and Ireland stems from Ancient Greece and pre-dates the Kingdom of Great Britain by more than 2000 years. Claudius Ptolemy was a celebrated geographer who flourished in the second century AD; A greek by descent, he was a native of Alexandria in Egypt, and a learned man of his time. His most remarkable publication was perhaps his Geography, a work of seven volumes, which became the standard textbook on the subject until the 15th century. In the opening chapters of the second book of the Geography, we find reference to the British Isles: Chapter 1 is entitled Hibernia island of Britannia, and deals primarily with Ireland, Chapter 2 is entitled Albion island of Britannia, and deals with mainland Great Britain. AlwynJPie ( talk) 06:01, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
When people from the world search for "Ireland", they search for "that Catholic country", not "the island that British occupied for centuries". It is really bizzare that english wikipedia is redirecting me to an irrelevant article for the sake of political (in)correctness. That is my honest opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.228.55 ( talk) 13:36, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
As mentioned above - the country of Ireland is not known by the name "Republic of Ireland", it is know as and referred to as simply "Ireland" in its own constitution and in all Governmental documentation.
Ironically, there is actually a wikipedia article on the subject called Names of the Irish state.
The only instance of when "The Republic of Ireland" is ever used over "Ireland" in a proper manner, is in a legal context when it is required to distinguish between the geographical island of Ireland and the Nation of Ireland. (where the two terms in this instance used are Republic of Ireland and the Island of Ireland, neither are referred to as "Ireland" in this one an only instance).
I am aware that a page already exists called "Ireland" that refers to the geographic island of Ireland, and my suggestion is to amend the name of the article currently named "Ireland" to the new name of "Island of Ireland" or perhaps "Ireland (Island)". Then this will facilitate the movement of the "The Republic of Ireland" page to it's official name of "Ireland".
I note nations such as Chile or Turkey for example, take precedence over any material aspect that is not a nation, and a simple not at the beginning of the article could clear any confusion:
This article is about the country. For the island, see Island of Ireland. For other uses, see Ireland (disambiguation)
The last paragraph of the wiki page I linked gives as clear cut an indication on the correct naming (or incorrect naming) of the Irish state in the current page arrangement.
It states (in the official conduct of international relations of the European Union); "The Inter Institutional Style Guide of The Office for Official Publications of the European Communities sets out how the names of the Member states of the European Union must always be written and abbreviated in EU publications. Concerning Ireland, it states that its official names are Éire and Ireland; its official name in English is Ireland; its country code is IE; and its former abbreviation was IRL. It also adds the following guidance: "NB: Do not use 'Republic of Ireland' nor 'Irish Republic'." [1]"
I trust this clears up the issue and the necessary amendments can be made in the near future.
Thank you for your time and all the work you do with Wikipedia.
Kind regards
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It would be good to have one for the name, "Ireland". The history listed does show some of the earlier versions of this name as it appeared in the Irish language, but if it can be traced back to deeper origins, that would be interesting.
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What's the objection to including Polish? Gob Lofa ( talk) 14:13, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
It's silly to add Polish as it has no official or traditional connection to the country. A lot of Polish workers moved to Ireland over the last decade or so, but there's also Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, etc. You could just as easily insist that Russian is also listed, as many of those people also speak it as their shared language. Polish could certainly be mentioned in the text, but has no place in the info box or the lede. -- Dmol ( talk) 20:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
I felt the lead was unnecessarily large and noticed that the 4th paragraph would be better suited as a prelude to the history section so I transferred it. AlwynJPie ( talk) 16:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC) Murry1975, this "4th paragraph" serves much better as an overview of the History section. Having an overview of a section before its subsections is not uncommon; indeed in this very article there is an overview in the Culture section. AlwynJPie ( talk) 19:45, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Why is this listed as an official language? It does not have language status Jackeen17 ( talk) 12:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
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bdrbogart April 18th, 2016 PDT In section "Northern Ireland" there is a grammatical error: "Along with England and Wales and Scotland..." should be changed to "Along with England, Wales and Scotland...".
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The TLD field in the infobox currently just shows ".ie". Should ".uk" be added (possibly with a footnote) or should the field just be removed? It seems a bit strange to have, why not also "drives on the..." and the rest of the specifics you get in a country infobox? -- Inops ( talk) 15:02, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
A quote from the Northern Ireland section: "Along with England, Wales and Scotland, Northern Ireland forms one of the three separate legal jurisdictions of the UK". A previous talk paragraph above also addresses this, but unfortunately confusion still reigns. Every county and civil parish is a "legal jurisdiction"! What about "four countries" or "four nations"? 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:E1:DF31:5B44:7E0A ( talk) 22:04, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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African have not had a significant influence on Irish culture.
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Under Economy in the table of biggest population Centres, for the East of Northern Ireland, Ballymena is misspelled Ballymeena
Can Someone with access edit this, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.84.2 ( talk • contribs)
How long has it said "Largest Settlement" instead of "Capital" you incompetent xenophobes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:2161:7280:806F:5235:9989:97AB ( talk) 00:36, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Since when have the British Isles been called the "so called British Isles"? They are called the British Isles. CdOl0lO ( talk) 10:55, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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The weather is MODERATE (not moderated), second paragraph 2001:569:FB46:1F00:48FE:A573:BBB0:B129 ( talk) 02:45, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
The sports section mentions that Northern Ireland has produced two world snooker champions (Alex Higgins and Dennis Taylor, though not named in the article), but it should really also mention that R.O. Ireland has had one as well (Ken Doherty). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.115.17 ( talk) 22:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Rob984 inserted different area figures with a UN source removing the Irish Government's own source adding an edit comment: I have amened the area per the UN's Island Directory. The figure given by the Irish Government is 84,421 km2, which ≈ combined area of the Republic and Northern Ireland (84,412 km2); thus is most certainly including surrounding islands. I reverted it for now suggesting it should be discussed here to determine the correct area. What reliable sources do others have? ww2censor ( talk) 12:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Ireland's oldest Pub is the Brazen Head which was established in 1198. The structure is still standing with some upgrades inside. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amwurt ( talk • contribs) 04:07, 5 February 2017
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I noticed that the stats in the infobox at the top of the page all seem to be taken from sources that are at least 3 years old, some as much as five years or older. Not a big deal for some categories, but I very much suspect that a lot of the demographics information is badly in need of updating. It looked off enough to me that I felt the need to check the date on the sources anyway. I'm not a regular contributor, and I don't have replacement sources/stats ready to pop in, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to shine a light on it in case someone felt like looking in to it? Thanks. 37.228.226.218 ( talk) 23:39, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
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I removed two tags of "dubious" about the area of the island. I didn't see any discussion challenging this on the talk page but now see it has been brought up in archived discussions at least in 2009. It seems someone claims this statement comes from the Republic of Ireland and is wrong? I added an additional citation from National Geographic. If there are credible allegations that the Republic of Ireland was lying/mistaken in its evaluation of the island's area, wouldn't this be a widely known dispute? Surely it would be significant enough to include, if there were anyone of prominence countering with a different number? Otherwise it seems to be WP:OR that it is dubious. Additionally, as was suggested in 2009, any discrepancy seems to be concerning whether or not outlying islands are being counted. Could we get this clarified? Since the 84k figure is given in regards to the actual Island of Ireland itself, it would be confusing if this included the area of other islands nearby. I'm not an expert in this area so am proposing this sake of clarity for laypeople reading the article. —Мандичка YO 😜 20:57, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Here's my comment from that discussion:
I can't find any other reliable sources from a quick Google Search, but...
- The Republic of Ireland has an area of 70,273 [11]–70,282 km2 [12]
- Northern Ireland has an area of 14,130 km2 [13]
The figure cited by the Irish Government for the whole island is 84,421 km2, greater than the combined area of the two jurisdictions (84,417 km2).
Note also that the source is comparing the Republic of Ireland's area to the whole of Ireland—which would be a misleading comparison if it did not include surrounding islands like in the Republic of Ireland's figure.
The area of just a few islands would create discrepancy: Achill Island (146 km2), Great Island (53 km2) Inishmore (31 km2), Valentia Island (26 km2), Gorumna Island (24 km2), Bere Island (19 km2), Aran Island (18 km2), Clare Island (16 km2) [14]
So I thinnk all islands taken into account could encompass around 2,500 km2, as the UN's Island Directory suggests.
Although I agree, additional sources would be ideal.
Like I said, it's pretty clear the Irish Government is taking into account both jurisdictions (since it's being compared with the Republic's total area), so why are we using it as a source for the island?
My understanding is that area figures are calculated up to the low-tide line, given this is regarded as the edge of land and beginning of territorial waters under international law.
Edit: To add, the area of countries often also takes into account coastal internal waters (e.g. small bays), which you wouldn't typically include as part of the area of an island from a geographical perspective. It doesn't make sense for the island to be larger then both jurisdictions when the jurisidctions are taking into account coastal internal waters and other islands, up to the low water mark. The UN's figure is 81,638 sq. km. Here is the listing in the UN's island directory: http://islands.unep.ch/IBT.htm#749
Rob984 ( talk) 17:12, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I read the article and I found it very interesting. I made some minor fixes and improvements, to the grammar, the punctuation and the layout. I leave below a series of questions and comments.
1. "In 1166, Mac Murrough had fled to Anjou, France, following a war involving Tighearnán Ua Ruairc, of Breifne, and sought the assistance of the Angevin king, Henry II, in recapturing his kingdom".
What kingdom?
2. "The British–Irish Intergovernmental Conference provides for co-operation between the Government of Ireland and the Government of the United Kingdom on all matter of mutual interest, especially Northern Ireland."
The last part of the sentence, "especially Northern Ireland" is somewhat ambiguous. I feel that it could be improved.
3. The section that starts with "The algal and seaweed flora" and ends with "although for many years it was regarded as an alien species" in my opinion is awkward, unnecessary, irrelevant, out of context and out of place. It just does not fit with the rest of the text above.
4. "Counties in Northern Ireland are no longer used for local governmental purposes".
What's the reason?
5. Under the "Migration" section, the Great Famine has two date ranges: 1845 to 1852 and 1845 to 1849. This is inconsistent.
6. "As of 2006, 4.3 million Canadians, or 14% of the population, are of Irish descent. As of 2013, a total of 34.5 million Americans claim Irish ancestry."
If the Canada has a percentage it would be proper to add a percentage for the U.S.A.
7. "The Irish philosopher and theologian Johannes Scotus Eriugena was considered one of the leading intellectuals of his early Middle Ages."
His of who?
8. "Paddy Barnes secured bronze in those games and gold in the 2010 European Amateur Boxing Championships".
What are "those" games?
9. What is "salmon driftnet fishery"?
ICE77 ( talk) 05:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
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/b/ "raided" the article (actually there was only one edit)
Pelican19 wrote "/b/ told me to do it" after "exerting much influence in Europe." in Pre-history and medieval period section.
I can't edit, so please someone else do it.
Danquebec ( talk) 04:45, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
The local pronunciation is more widely used than the general one, and is also not exclusive to Ireland. Therefore, I do not think it should be listed as a local pronunciation, it should be listed as the correct one. The other pronunciation is only used by Americans and Canadians...
Signed Fiveby5 ( talk • contribs) 13:38, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
NASA made a nice new cloud-free satellite view of Ireland available (uploaded to Commons as File:Ireland (MODIS).jpg). Could probably be incorporated into the Geography section, if someone's feeling up to it. -- Schneelocke ( talk) 11:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
In the food and drink area of the culture section, there are two notable errors I have found. Coddle is listed along with drisheen as a type of sausage, when in fact it is a stew made from bacon, sausages, onions and potatoes. Also, this sentence is incorrect:
Cider, particularly Magners (marketed in the Republic of Ireland as Bulmers),
Bulmers Original Cider is the official brand sold by the company Bulmers Ltd. exported as Magners as stated in the "About us" section of their website. http://www.bulmers.ie/about-us/ I would greatly appreciate any thoughts how best to change these as I don't want to just jump in and edit without feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.81.66 ( talk) 18:31, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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Hello in this text you mention that after the executions of the 1916 leaders Ireland wanted Home Rule,this is wrong. After the deaths of the leaders Ireland wanted Independence and nothing to do with Britain. Under Home Rule Ireland would rule themselves but still be a part of Britain while with independence they would have complete control of the country. Home Rule was put on the shelves due to the world war 1 and yes Home Rule was wanted by Ireland in 1913 but due to the mistreatment of Irish people from that time up to 1916/1917 the Irish attitudes changed to independence.
I hope you can change what you have said in this text. Fatneymc ( talk) 12:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Why not? Generally, all the other countries use the name to indicate the country, not the island. Japan isn't the island, Madagascar isn't the island, and Cuba isn't the island. Furthermore, take an example from Hispaniola, which is the island divided in two parts, with Haiti on the west and Dominican Republic on the east. So this could be Hibernia, with Ireland and a little portion of West UK - Ulster. Negativecharge ( talk) 22:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I've reverted the addition of the {{ citecheck}} banner. It was added on the basis that, "Citations providing facts may refer mistakenly to Ireland the state, as opposed to Ireland the island in multiple instances." Specific examples would need to be given. A general "may" on the basis that there are two entities of the same name is insufficient reason. Particularly, when there is a large overlap between the two entities in any case. --RA ( talk) 11:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
"O'Connell spearheaded a vigorous campaign which was taken up by the Prime Minister, the Irish-born soldier and statesman, the Duke of Wellington."
What was this campaign?
"Steering the Act through the Westminster parliament, aided by future prime minister Robert Peel, Wellington prevailed upon a reluctant George IV to sign the bill and proclaim it into law."
Which bill?
Regards to all, Notreallydavid ( talk) 09:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Any chance we could get someone that's actually from Ireland to record the pronunciation of the word in English instead of an american? I've never met any Irish person who says "eye-er-land". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.129.16 ( talk) 13:26, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion this Ireland "everybody knows it's an island" page gives a bad reputation to Wikipedia.
The word "Ireland", albeit technically ambiguous, in most common speech refers to the country, not the island. Obviously there has been a political dispute between the UK and Ireland, with Ireland insisting on their own ambiguous name "Ireland", and the UK using the unambiguous term "Republic of Ireland". Nonetheless, "Ireland" has also been accepted by the United Nations and ISO as the official name of the country. Therefore I find it unappropriate that the word "Ireland" links to the geographical entity as it does now.
For comparison please consider a similar case of "Samoa". Here actually the country names are honoured rather than disambiguation or even geographical features:
n.b. Indeed I see there has been a discussion and a vote in favour of the Ireland status quo almost two years ago. However, it has been without a consensus, and so the issue is rather "quiet" than resolved. One of the critiques against changes previously has been the lack of objections from general users. Now as a general user I feel compelled to express my discomfort about the current use of the name "Ireland" by Wikipedia. As such I hope this is the appropriate place to post this statement, alternatively please if you could point me to some more appropriate place. Nothingiswrong ( talk) 15:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
The lede makes this statement:
A strong Irish culture exists, as expressed for example through Gaelic games, Irish music and the Irish language, alongside a common Western culture, such as contemporary music and drama, and sports such as soccer, rugby and golf, and the English language.
There are no references that exactly back up this possibly subjectively worded statement. Western culture is just as strong in Ireland as Irish culture itself is, if not more so in certain aspects, and trying to supplant one over the other like this with possible subjective wording is silly in my opinion. Could it not be reworded as such so none is placed above the other:
In Ireland, Irish culture, expressed for example through Gaelic games, Irish music and the Irish language, exists alongside Western culture, such as contemporary music and drama, and sports such as soccer, rugby and golf, and the English language.
Mabuska (talk) 13:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
A strong indigenous culture exists, as expressed for example through Gaelic games, Irish music and the Irish language, as well as mainstream Western culture, such as contemporary music and drama, and a culture shared in common with Great Britain, as expressed through sports such as soccer, rugby and golf, and the English language.
Why if it is internationally recognised that Ireland is a soveriegn state in legaslature and international organizations is it not on Wikipedia ? This should be referred to as the "Island of Ireland" and the article on the soveriegn state as "Ireland" . http://www.un.org/en/members/ http://publications.europa.eu/code/pdf/370000en.htm Mabuska as a citizen of a country that has adopted the EU constitution do you not follow it? Or do you pick and choose what articles of it to follow? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.85.165 ( talk) 09:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
"it the problem that arises when you name yourself after a geographical entity that your borders aren't synonymous with." The citizenship borders are synonymous with that geographical one as the UK government agree . The UK adopted the Eu constitution but as they dont have a written one it could be agrued either way but as the European Courts are higher than any UK court -no matter which version of UK law is being used- it stands that Ireland is the soveriegn states legal name in the UK . The outcome on this debate could be a legal cursor on Wikipedia for "Failure of Human Rights" , as Wikipedia fail to uphold what is international law ( by being in international documents and treaties - yes this makes it legally the name of the state .
I never threaten litigation , I stated "could be" talk, If i was to be banned over freedom of sspeech issues that also could be a issue its self . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.85.165 ( talk) 10:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry Valenciano , thank you .I have read what is defined as a leagl threat . The informing that legal action could result is the exact same as Wikipedias own legal section . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.85.165 ( talk) 10:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
JonChapple there is no entity called RoI , the Republic of Ireland other than a footballing team . That name was forced on a team from the country of Ireland by the IFAB which advised FIFA what the team should be called , based that back then the IFAB was 8 british advisrs and 4 international is it any wonder why the british pushed thier view through , a bit like what yous do on here . I see you are a monarchist , when the queen was on state visit she referred to the state as Ireland , nothing else , seems that your head of state recognized what the country is called. Ulster is a geographical term , not a part of your state . As I said you ,you have adopted the EU constitution , please find where it states ANYTHING other than Ireland . After all it is now legal more powerful than you unwritten and dictates life in the UK . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.71.250 ( talk) 10:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
For now, please forward all comments regarding such page move proposals to the already existing discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration.
ArbCom has been aware of these ongoing discussions for the past few weeks (see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification: WP:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names). And since ArbCom wants the community to come up with a resolution to this issue, it is in the best interests of everybody if all such discussions were in one, agreed upon central location. One cannot easily determine the full consensus of the entire community if a group of people say one thing on that page, and another group agrees to the opposite on this page. And yes, ArbCom would definitely admonish any admin who starts moving the Ireland pages without the proper consensus (so it is rather pointless to have this separate discussion on this page anyway, unless you know of any admin who wouldn't mind risking being both blocked and desysopped). Thanks. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 08:24, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Ireland → Island of Ireland – Googling Ireland -wikipedia suggests that the Republic of Ireland is prominent among the topics desired by those entering the search term "Ireland". Is it therefore appropriate to choose a title that makes it clear that this is not the Wiki article intended for those seeking to learn about the Republic. Readers are able to find the article they are seeking more easily when the article title matches the content of the article. The term "Ireland" would direct to "Island of Ireland" after this move, without prejudice to any future request regarding its status. The phrase “Island of Ireland" gets 10,900 post-1990 hits on Google Books. This shows that it is a common name, not a descriptive, and a worthy title of a major article. “Island of Ireland" is currently a redirect to this page, so there is no primary topic issue. Kauffner ( talk) 03:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Boring procedural nonsense: By order of Arbcom, there must be no page move discussions concerning Ireland prior to September 18, 2011. As today is September 18, I submit my “modest proposal" at this time. Note that under this proposal “Ireland" would continue to direct to the island, while the “Republic of Ireland" would remain at that lemma. This conforms to the infamous “ Option F", which was approved in a vote taken in 2009. Kauffner ( talk) 03:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
There is a poll taking place here on whether or not to extend the ArbCom binding resolution, which says there may be no page move discussions for Ireland, Republic of Ireland or Ireland (disambiguation), for a further two years. Scolaire ( talk) 11:23, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Minor Point, Re Samson and Goliath image caption: Since it appears that we can't seem to decide whether the H&W area of Belfast is on the County Antrim side or the County Down side, and considering a recent , I've just changed "Belfast, County Antrim" to "Belfast, Northern Ireland" until there is some sort of citation attached. ★ KEYS★ (talk) 11:20, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
After a two-year ban imposed by Arbcom, a page move discussion for the Republic of Ireland can be entertained.
When I read the introduction, I see this text:
"There are twenty-six extant mammal species native to Ireland irish people enjoy patatoes."
Somehow I cannot find the offending text in the edit page. Hopefully someone more skilled than me can remove it. Or at least spell potatoes correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.114.25.131 ( talk) 02:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, just a note on Irelands pre-history. please check the dates for the migration from Britain to Ireland. This may help, check out the pre-history of Wales. Cheers x x — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.109.148.82 ( talk) 22:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
I posted |national anthem =
"
Amhrán na bhFiann onto the article.. but it's not showing up. Help?
Twillisjr ( talk) 20:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing out the political issues surrounding the "Ireland National Anthem." Perhaps then, there should be at a minimum, a section of this article that explains Amhrán na bhFiann and God Save the Queen both being considered their national anthems (or not). A citizen's belief in sovereignty of many nations depend on a mention of such items and symbols. Please also review: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ei.html
"name: "Amhran na bhFiann" (The Soldier's Song) lyrics/music: Peadar KEARNEY [English], Liam O RINN [Irish]/Patrick HEENEY and Peadar KEARNEY note: adopted 1926; instead of "Amhran na bhFiann," the song "Ireland's Call" is often used in athletic events where citizens of the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland compete as a unified team"
Twillisjr ( talk) 20:59, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Got it, thanks.
Twillisjr ( talk) 22:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
So, it appears Ireland is attempting to push through with its own version of SOPA. Any comments concerning this? Should it be brought up in the article? Or perhaps a relating article? ...Should it be silenced down into oblivion? 83.189.184.232 ( talk) 21:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
How ridiculous that this article is about the chunk of land in the sea and not the country known as Ireland. And I say that as a British person too. Coolug ( talk) 09:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
"Irish is the only language to have originated from within the island. " This appears in the art section. There are two other languages I know of that are native to Ireland, Cant being one, Yola being another. Cant died out in the 1950's as far as I know, though many words still survive in Traveller's English dialect now. Yola a died out in the decades after the famine. The sentence I quoted is prefaced by the sentence - "There are a number of languages used in Ireland." I think it is misleading to say "Irish is the only language to have originated from within the island" as a standalone sentence. If it was changed to "Irish is the only one of those language to have originated from within the island" it would make more sense. Alternatively, mention could be made of Cant and Yola. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.223.193 ( talk) 15:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
I think that irelands call and amhrán na bhfiann shold be mentioned either on this or the republic of ireland page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.239.84 ( talk) 17:03, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
to save confusion and frustration this page should be moved to republic of Ireland,and another page sould be created for the island — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philpm930 ( talk • contribs) 20:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
when i typ[e in ireland tthis page shows up not the republicc of ireland Philpm930 ( talk) 22:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
So you are using the Ireland talk page to propose that "people" do (or stop doing) something for which WP is "a propitious place", but that is "clearly not wanted"...? Nope, still don't think that counts as lucid; I'm not sure how I would even go about "centring" my "Wikipedia life", if I had such a thing, around "sea change" or its un-named alternative. Have you any actual proposal to make concerning the content of this article? Brocach ( talk) 12:04, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
That and is what is going on here with regard to Wikipedia's "Ireland" page. Elsewhere in Wikipedia cooler heads seem to prevail in determining what should have precedence. That's what the issue is here. Precedence, not the changing or definitions.
The fact that "Ireland" does NOT land us on the page of the country that calls itself that and nothing more than that, and is officially and unofficially and colloquially and intellectually and in every other way is recognized as that (by almost everyone that speaks the language) implies nothing but irrational intransigence that should have no place in NPOV Wikipedia. Making this page refer to the republic does NOT disqualify or negate or invalidate any alleged "other primary" meaning that the word "Ireland" is supposed to have in the eyes of a handful of British nationalists or British flora and fauna enthusiasts or whoever we are supposed to believe still uses the term "Republic of Ireland", every-time they refer to the country. All the moving of the page does is recognize and give precedence to the facts. And the facts are supported by the totality of evidence in the form of reliable sources and every other measure for that matter.
Besides, even within that one "Wikipedia hijacking" country, the ground is shifting and nowadays the use of the word Ireland is aligning more and more with the usage elsewhere. In other words Wikipedia's agenda-driven refusal to do the right thing (do the same logical thing as what was done to the "China" page) only serves the purpose of badly reflecting on Wikipedia itself. To an onlooker it appears as if Wikipedia has some sort of (un)official or tacit loyalty to some British entity or interest, to not allow the logical change. Loginnigol ( talk) 14:44, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Compare this article with Great Britain and you'll see that there is far too much material in this article, much of which is duplicated at Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland. I suggest the article is trimmed down to just relevant geographical facts and maybe even renamed to Ireland (island). As it stands, for a purely geographical entity, this article carries far too much weight. Van Speijk ( talk) 16:07, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I've moved most of the Governance section to Demography and copy-edited the remainder. I've (boldly) removed most of the Economy section (I expect some of this may go back in) and moved the single-energy market stuff to the all-island instutions part. -- RA ( talk) 09:11, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Something, obvious, that the former Governance section needs is some sort of summary of ROI and NI. -- RA ( talk) 09:13, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Which is the most commonly used term for the sport in Ireland? I would say judging by this and this it would seem Football is -- OfTheGreen ( talk) 15:47, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
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Hellow, I'm Yasmine and I would like to edit and/or Put in some more interesting facts about Ireland! Hope you let me:).
Thank you..;)
Yasminek123 ( talk) 14:28, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
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O'k, Scolaire, I can not see why lacking the British pronunciation only out of absence of a pertinent ogg? Can't you see it is silly to have every other one but not the British — as if the larger island has been bombarded by nuclear weapon to ultimate oblivion, eh? Lincoln Josh ( talk) 10:02, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Why "OK, Scolaire"? I don't remember editing anything to do with pronunciation. If I did, it was months ago. And what on earth does " just remove "the ogg file" while you're reluctant to admit A STUB!" mean??? Scolaire ( talk) 08:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Is the sobriquet 'the Ould Sod', appropriate at the infobox. One editor at least, appears to think so 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. RashersTierney ( talk) 19:34, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
No its not appropriate. Its merely a Hollywood coined phrase, probably never used by any Irish emigrant so no definitely not! Finnegas ( talk) 19:49, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
The question is, do we need nicknames at all? "Emerald Isle" I can just about live with, but "Island of Saints and Scholars"? Come on guys, seriously! Scolaire ( talk) 08:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
In these pages, however, we have said enough to vindicate the right of ancient Erin to that glorious title, by which since the twelfth century she has been known to the scholars of all Europe — INSULA SANCTORUM ET DOCTORUM* — The Island of Saints and Scholars. * The earliest authority we know for the first part of this title is the ancient author of St. Alban's Life:—"In hac insula tot viri eximiae sanctitatis fuerunt quod Insula Sanctorum nomine appropriato dicebatur." The corresponding Irish form was Inis na Naomh. Marianus Scotus, in his Chronicle, also calls it by the same title—Insula Sanctorum—under date of the year 696, but which is really a.d. 589. See Reeves' notes in the Ulster Journal of Archæology, vol. vii., p. 228.
Can we conclude this with a poll?
I'd just like to add that most seem to be basing their response of the opinion that they do not think the nickname field is a good idea however that is another question apart, i would also agree that it should possibly be removed however again thats a different question and therefore i think the above poll is invalid Caomhan27 ( talk) 00:07, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Personally I dont mind, the valid "nicknames" can be included in the body text, i had assumed that the country field boxes were generic ascross the board but clearly not so in that case i would agree that its not the best place for the information to be placed Caomhan27 ( talk) 14:45, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
This poll can be concluded as a resounding oppose to the addition of nicknames in the infobox. Mabuska (talk) 11:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
There are some seriously ukky pics in this article. Have none of you got a single taste bud? Look at the articles of other European countries! Sarah777 ( talk) 01:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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This section is a mixture of history and mythology, without distinguishing one from the other, and contains repetition and unsubstantiated claims. It needs a thorough edit with references. Comments? Hohenloh + 10:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Ha that's ok RA you might make me paranoid soon, I was unaware of the publisher status or that particular issue, but do I own it a copy and the author has to the extent possible given numerous historical and other non self published texts references, but as I said I would agree with any other sourced additions or agreed clean ups. Caomhan27 ( talk) 17:29, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
A Wikimeet is proposed for Northern Ireland in the next few months.
If you have never been to one, this is an opportunity to meet other Wikipedians in an informal atmosphere for Wiki and non-Wiki related chat and for beer or food if you like. Most take place on a Sunday afternoon in a suitable pub but other days and locations can also work.
Experienced and new contributors from both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are all welcome. This event is definitely not restricted just to discussion of Northern Ireland topics.
More info here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Northern_Ireland/1
-- RA ( talk) 13:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll leave it to the regulars here to figure out which one they like best, but – while the Emerald Isle satphoto is lovely and all – the page really needs a modern political map with major settlements (and, ideally, transport lines) somewhere on this main page. Thanks. 101.87.187.234 ( talk) 14:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be an argument about the proportion o Ireland split between the Republic and NI. I think the problem is that the various sources give different amounts. I had a look at the OSi: Area and Land Mass page on this and it even had a mistake in its sum for the total area!
Land Water (Fresh & Tidal) Total 26 Counties Statute Acres 16,893,559 (6,841,891.4 H) 473,688 (191,843.64 H) 17,367,247 (7,033,735.04 H) Square Miles 26,401 735.9 27,136.90 6 Counties Statute Acres 3,336,498 (1,351,281.69 H) 155,350 (62,916.75 H) 3,491,848 (1,414,198.44 H) Square Miles 5,156.40 299.6 5,456 Ireland Statute Acres 20,230,057 (8,193,173.09 H) 629,038 (254,760.39 H) 20,859,095 (8,447,933.48 H) Square Miles 31,557.40 1035.5 32,529.90
If you add up 27,136.90 and 5,456 one should get 32,592.90 not 32,529.90 - they swapped two digits. Dmcq ( talk) 08:09, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
You might be misunderstanding what I have raised for discussion. I would like to identify sources (i.e. numbers) confirming the position. They don't have to refer to fractions. We can calculate from numbers. The OSI source had a typo in the middle of it so I've asked for interested editors if there are other numbers out there. Google results don't match OSI numbers. I don't know where their numbers come from either. I am discussing the substantive point; not merely presentation in the article. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 14:18, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I may be misunderstanding you as well, Frenchmalawi, but it looks to me as though you are saying that it is the actual figures that matter to you, not what it says in the article. Perhaps you didn't see the notice at the top of this page that says, "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Ireland article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject." Scolaire ( talk) 17:40, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Playing round on Google Maps, I noticed most of Ireland's actually south of centre latitude of Europe ( Illustration). Rob ( talk | contribs) 20:25, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
User:Davidfreesefan23 (talk) 19:45, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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The section "Emergence of Celtic Ireland" urgently needs to be trimmed and re-written.
It's based on a theory that has long been rejected: the theory that Iron Age Ireland was 'colonized' by waves of invaders from mainland Europe. This theory was popular for quite a while, but was based mainly on books such as the Lebor Gabála (a medieval Christian pseudo-history), rather than archeology.
The section presents that theory, and a lot of wild speculation, as if it's truth. Most of the section is taken up by details of each supposed 'colonization'. Here's one paragraph as an example: "The Priteni were the first to colonize the island, followed by the Belgae who invaded Ireland from northern Gaul and Britain. Later, Laighin tribes from Armorica (present-day Brittany) are believed to have invaded Ireland and Britain more or less simultaneously. Lastly, the Milesians (Gaels) reached Ireland…"
As anyone familiar with the topic will know, there is simply no evidence for these mass invasions or migrations. Today, the mainstream view among archeologists and historians is that Ireland's population stayed largely the same amid gradual cultural change. This mainstream view only gets one line, which is followed by this biased and mistaken claim: "However they have no explanation as to routes by which Celtic cultures and languages came to Ireland".
Myself and
Fergananim hav tried to change it to reflect the mainstream view, but our changes hav been undone by
Setanta Saki.
I suggest we go back to
this version for the time being.
~Asarlaí 00:03, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
During the Iron Age, a Celtic language and culture emerged in Ireland. The traditional view, once widely accepted, is that Celtic language and culture were brought to Ireland by waves of invading or migrating Celts from mainland Europe – specifically Gaul and Iberia. According to some proponents of the theory, such as T. F. O'Rahilly, these waves were: the Priteni (who arrived in the 7th century BC), the Iverni (a branch of the Belgae who arrived in the 5th century BC), the Laigin (who arrived in the 3rd century BC), and the Gaels (who arrived in the 2nd century BC). However, this view has fallen out of favour, as there is no archeological evidence for any large-scale immigration into Ireland in this period. Today, the mainstream view among archeologists and historians is that Ireland's population remained largely the same amid changes of culture, brought about by cultural diffusion. The traditional view is that Celtic languages emerged in the central European Halstatt culture, but recently it has been suggested that they originated in the Atlantic Bronze Age cultural zone that included Ireland.
I likewise point out that genetic genealogy finds no intrusive DNA - either Y-DNA, or mtDNA - from the homeland of the Celts during the Irish Iron Age (nor after or before). However I cannot recall the link. Have to leave some work for you young ones! Fergananim ( talk) 15:17, 20 March 2014 (UTC)This
Also my phrasing about some of your previous edits only in this area of course was slightly harsh. There is no harm in you promoting an established theory that you believe, but I think it becomes destructive when in the doing so you concurrently erase others of equal legitimacy. A crude example would in the theory of light as a wave or a particle, you wouldn't start deleting information on the wave theory as you were adding information on the particle theory, neither is perfect. The same approach should be used in this area, neither academic theory is definitive and each has flaws. Setanta Saki ( talk) 23:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
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Source #23 is now considered quite out of date. The population of the British Isles and Ireland is now well established through genetic testing to be of northern Iberian origin with the strongest genetic ties to the Basqes. Even the NIH document cited in the Ireland article says, "The affinities of the areas where Celtic languages are spoken, or were formerly spoken, are generally with other regions in the Atlantic zone, from northern Spain to northern Britain." This article is reaching for a reason to tie Ireland to a Celtic genetic heritage rather than a generally agreed cultural conquest such as that which occurred in Mexico.
Your own Wikipage on "Irish People" says "That there exists an especially strong genetic association between the Irish and the Basques, one even closer than the relationship between other west Europeans, was first challenged in 2005,[27] and in 2007 scientists began looking at the possibility of a more recent Mesolithic- or even Neolithic-era entrance of R1b into Europe.[28] A new study published in 2010 by Balaresque et al. implies either a Mesolithic- or Neolithic- (not Paleolithic) era entrance of R1b into Europe.[29] However, all these genetic studies are in agreement that the Irish and Basque (along with the Welsh) share the highest percentage of R1b populations."
Please be consistent. 24.55.0.106 ( talk) 16:18, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
For the editors of this article - here is an article that discusses the international life sciences and pharmaceutical industry within Ireland, and has some really good coverage.
It is a 2008 article so, hopefully, it is not outdated. Here it is : Pharmaceutical and Biopharmaceutical Manufacturing Advances in Ireland. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 04:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
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Please change: A period of rapid economic expansion from 1995 onwards became known as the Celtic Tiger period, was brought to an end in 2008 with an unprecedented financial crisis and and economic depression in 2009. To: A period of rapid economic expansion from 1995 onwards became known as the Celtic Tiger period, was brought to an end in 2008 with an unprecedented financial crisis and an economic depression in 2009. Because: 'and and' is incorrect and should be 'and an'. Mrmmaclean ( talk) 22:01, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Editors are invited to participate in a discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration#.22Republic of Ireland.22 de-capitalisation in running text. All input welcome. Thank you. walk victor falk talk 16:22, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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Ireland is it's own free state and is not just an island near Britain therefore it is not in the British Isles it is recognised as a country and not a colonised area of Britain
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The British Isles as a geographical term derives from an ancient Greek term for the islands centuries before any political union. The terms "Britain" and "British" were origionally purely geographical and included both large islands and all the smaller islands in the archipelago. The term should not be changed just because the larger island uses it to refer to itself politically. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlwynJPie ( talk • contribs) 20:22, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I propose that the title of this article should be changed to the Island of Ireland to make it clear that this article relates and encompasses the independent sovereign state of Ireland or Republic of Ireland and the constituant territory of the United Kingdom of Northern Ireland. I would not usually make this request, only there has been some argument by a certain user on the Republic of Ireland talk page that Ireland should be titled as Southern Ireland, despite many attempts by various users that the Republic of Ireland is reffering to the state and officially it called Ireland through the European Union, United Nations, and even the British Foreign Office. I would invite all those concerned that they read up on the talk pages for the Republic of Ireland and Southern Ireland before commeting here, thereby getting an understanding at what and why I am requesting the name change to the Island of Ireland here and so to uncomplicate things for any user and others that seems not to understand the difference between the two articles. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.226.161 ( talk) 19:46, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
The box lists "English, Irish, Ulster Scots", all linked to related articles. The "Ulster Scots" wikilink takes the reader to " " Ulster Scots dialects", which ledes with: "Ulster Scots or Ulster-Scots (Ulstèr-Scotch)[6][7] generally refers to the dialects of Scots spoken in parts of Ulster in Ireland.[5][8][9] Some definitions of Ulster Scots may also include Standard English spoken with an Ulster Scots accent.[10][11]".
A dialect, according to the Wiki article, "refers to a variety of a language that is a characteristic of a particular group of the language's speakers." "Ulster Scots" is *not* itself a language, it is a *dialect* of a language. As noted in the "Ulster Scots dialects" article, it is a dialect of Scots, and therefore "Scots" is the language that can comparably be listed with "English" and "Irish", and it can be qualified with a parenthetical reference to "Ulster Scots dialects." Shoreranger ( talk) 15:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I think the article should be moved to Ireland (Island) since the reader commonly associated "Ireland" to "Republic of Ireland" and enter the article is remarkable that the island has to Ireland (Republic) and Northern Ireland. It would be correct, because in effect it is an island, the problem is that the article is semi-protected. They think?. Jaam0121 ( talk) 19:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
The article states (under section Science) "discovered the Tyndall effect, which explains why the sky is blue" but according to the linked article, this is Raleigh Scattering, *not* the Tyndall effect. Cranium ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
ShockD ( talk) 15:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC) The Irish flag is not shown once in this article. Why?
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Currently it states that "Politically, Ireland is divided between the Republic of Ireland, which covers five-sixths of the island,..." This should not just state that politically it`s divided because it is obviously geographically, physically if you like, split too. I suggest something akin to simply dropping the introductory sentence & begin with: "Ireland is divided: "Ireland is divided between the Republic of Ireland, which covers five-sixths of the island..." " As to sources well I could list references forever as this is a core fact & accepted so & to drop the "politically" keeps it clear. Thank you.
Never2 ( talk) 12:56, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Ireland is, of course, not the largest (in terms of area) island of the British Isles archipelago, but only the second largest one, whereas Great Britain is the largest island there !! Thomas Limberg (Schmogrow) 93.197.46.203 ( talk) 08:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
In Bósa saga ok Herrauðs is to read:
There is, however, no such thing as a former Norseman, mentioned in the sources. Dan Koehl ( talk) 22:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Egil Skallagrimsson saga: Björn var farmaður mikill, var stundum í víking, en stundum í kaupferðum; Björn var hinn gervilegasti maður. (english: Björn was a great traveller; sometimes as viking, sometimes as tradesman.
So, a Norseman could be a viking for some time, and he could be a tradesman (or a baker, or a shepherd) for some time. But not all tradesmen, bakers, shepherds and vikings were Norseman.
Norseman spoke norse, but norse vikings did not speak vikingish, and norse shepherds did not speak shepherdish or bakerish.
Norsemen had norse culture, but there was no norse viking, baker or shepherd culture.
I think its important to remind people today about the term Norsemen, an accepted term by historians and archelogists, referring to people from the north, present Scandinavia. This term does not have any certain time limit, the Norsemen were norse in years, 400, 500, 657, 749, 803, 950, 1066 and 1100. Norsemen is a true ethnical group, for some reason neglected on Wikipedia. Whenever the word viking is mentioned, it can correctly be replaced by the term Norsemen in 95% of the cases. Norsemen are described in other Wikipedia languages, and since the english Wikipedia should be written from a global point of view, the term Norse and Norsemen should not be treated different.
The first documented use of the word viking is made by Orosius, written in latin, and translated into old english. There is to read about Alexander the Great´s father, Philip II of Macedonia: Philippus vero post longam obsidionem, ut pecuniam quam obsidendo exhauserat, praedando repararet, piraticam adgressus est. translated into: ac he scipa gegaderade, and i vicingas wurdon. In this time the word pirat was not used in the english language, the latin piraticam was directly translated to vicingus.
Interestingly enough, theres stories in the sagas, describing arabic piates, and they were in the sagas referred to, as vikings. = Vikings could be arabs practising piracy, and vikings could be macedonian kings practising piracy, but peaceful norse farmers, and their wifes, were never, ever, described as vikings before 1900.
For over 1 000 years, viking was nothing else than an old-english translation of the latin word pirate.
A macedonian king will never, ever, become scandinavian. An arabic pirat will never become scandinavian.
But a norseman was scandinavian, and the present scandinavians are descendants of Norsemen, according to historians and archelogists.
The sentence The linguistic contact of the Viking settlers of the Danelaw with the Anglo-Saxons left traces in the English language reflects a very poor knowledge in what viking actually means. As well as poor knowledge in the term Norsemen.
'Viking is a controversial term, Norsemen is not. For some reason, some people absolutely wants to call my ancestors vikings, which is historically incorrect and besides, unpolite. The Scandinavians as a an ethnic group, is more or less the same as Norsemen, Theres no problem whatsoever to use the correct term. Dan Koehl ( talk) 11:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
hi i would like to add the yola name for ireland to the page. yola is a language from wexford. thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yola12345 ( talk • contribs) 23:14, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
As we all know, Ireland is the name of the sovereign state with jurisdiction over 5/6ths of the island. Could we fix the info box accordingly? At the moment it says "Republic of Ireland" which isn't the name of any state and doesn't appear on any passport! My edit around this was reverted in 22 seconds (a record I think for me). Frenchmalawi ( talk) 00:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
...how come no one struggles with the same approach at Solomon Islands archipelago? Why that approach there and this approach here? Frenchmalawi ( talk) 00:24, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Disagree all you want. Dmcq and myself are correct and it follows WP:IMOS which is a community agreed consensus in regards to such matters. Don't like it, then get consensus for a change to it, though as I object to such an idea now, your not going to get a technical consensus. The status of Ireland's real name is not being denied, anyone clicking the wikilink to the article will clearly see that it's official name is Ireland. However the state's official description "Republic of Ireland" is useful to distinguish it from an island that has had the name for over a millenia longer than the present-day state that doesn't even span the entire island. Should we go around using Hellenic Republic in articles instead of Greece because the former is its official name? Look at the article for the Greek city of Thessaloniki. What does its infobox state? Hellenic Republic (the official state name) or Greece (the unofficial state name)? It says Greece. Even the Greeks don't call their state Greece but we use it anyways. Mabuska (talk) 11:45, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Politically, Ireland is divided between the Republic of Ireland, which covers five-sixths of the island, and Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom, which covers the remaining area and is located in the north-east of the island. The description Republic of Ireland is used in this article instead of the state's official name 'Ireland' to avoid confusion with the name of the island. The United Kingdom's full official name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The population of Ireland is about 6.4 million. Just under 4.6 million live in the Republic of Ireland and just over 1.8 million live in Northern Ireland.[7]
The naming of the article at Ireland and the usage and topic of the pagename "Ireland" are up for discussion, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration#Move "Ireland" to "Ireland (island)" or similar (June 2015) -- 70.51.203.69 ( talk) 05:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
I wish to add "Northern Irish" to the Demonym element of the infobox. Demonym: Northern Irish is already recognized on wikipedia here and from the most recent census in 2011, over half a million people in Northern Ireland are Northern Irish. Dubs boy ( talk) 23:05, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hi I think it would be good to add information about Irish doctors in the culture section. Graves's disease, McBurney's point, the defibrillator are all part of Ireland's cultural contribution to the world. http://irishamerica.com/2013/08/the-irish-of-medical-history/ Vinnypatel ( talk) 22:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
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Please change Ireland is part of the British Isles as this name is disputed, /info/en/?search=British_Isles_naming_dispute. Also your ref 6 is a link to UN page and not specific to ireland being officially part of the British Isles. Kindly present an official reference. News Insight ( talk) 14:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Not done as stated in British Isles naming dispute "the British Isles" refers to a European archipelago consisting of Great Britain, Ireland and adjacent islands. AFAIK there is no other WP:Common name for this group of islands - if there is please provide it, with a reliable source. - Arjayay ( talk) 15:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Please find a link to an alternative name - IONA (Islands of the North Atlantic) /info/en/?search=Islands_of_the_North_Atlantic "It has been used particularly in the context of the Northern Irish peace process during the negotiation of the Good Friday Agreement, as a neutral name for the proposed council.[4]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by News Insight ( talk • contribs) 15:32, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Ref 6 is not accurate. Change the line 'Ireland is part of the British Isles ' or show an unbiased (non british) source thats internationally recognised. The term is offensive to Irish people "Many political bodies, including the Irish government, avoid describing Ireland as being part of the British Isles; Eamon de Valera, for example, corrected John Gunther when the journalist used the term during a private meeting in the mid-1930s.[39]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by News Insight ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Please change Ireland is part of the British Isles as this name is disputed please see, /info/en/?search=British_Isles_naming_dispute. Also The reference 6 after this sentence is a link to UN page and not accurate in showing any evidence to suggest Ireland being part of the British Isles. Kindly present an official reference. News Insight (talk) 14:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC) I can suggest an alternative name - IONA (Islands of the North Atlantic) /info/en/?search=Islands_of_the_North_Atlantic "It has been used particularly in the context of the Northern Irish peace process during the negotiation of the Good Friday Agreement" Here is quote from /info/en/?search=British_Isles_naming_dispute. about the term 'British Isles' "The term is offensive to Irish people "Many political bodies, including the Irish government, avoid describing Ireland as being part of the British Isles; Eamon de Valera, for example, corrected John Gunther when the journalist used the term during a private meeting in the mid-1930s.[39]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by News Insight ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
The origin of the term British Isles for the group of islands that contain Great Britain and Ireland stems from Ancient Greece and pre-dates the Kingdom of Great Britain by more than 2000 years. Claudius Ptolemy was a celebrated geographer who flourished in the second century AD; A greek by descent, he was a native of Alexandria in Egypt, and a learned man of his time. His most remarkable publication was perhaps his Geography, a work of seven volumes, which became the standard textbook on the subject until the 15th century. In the opening chapters of the second book of the Geography, we find reference to the British Isles: Chapter 1 is entitled Hibernia island of Britannia, and deals primarily with Ireland, Chapter 2 is entitled Albion island of Britannia, and deals with mainland Great Britain. AlwynJPie ( talk) 06:01, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
When people from the world search for "Ireland", they search for "that Catholic country", not "the island that British occupied for centuries". It is really bizzare that english wikipedia is redirecting me to an irrelevant article for the sake of political (in)correctness. That is my honest opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.228.55 ( talk) 13:36, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
As mentioned above - the country of Ireland is not known by the name "Republic of Ireland", it is know as and referred to as simply "Ireland" in its own constitution and in all Governmental documentation.
Ironically, there is actually a wikipedia article on the subject called Names of the Irish state.
The only instance of when "The Republic of Ireland" is ever used over "Ireland" in a proper manner, is in a legal context when it is required to distinguish between the geographical island of Ireland and the Nation of Ireland. (where the two terms in this instance used are Republic of Ireland and the Island of Ireland, neither are referred to as "Ireland" in this one an only instance).
I am aware that a page already exists called "Ireland" that refers to the geographic island of Ireland, and my suggestion is to amend the name of the article currently named "Ireland" to the new name of "Island of Ireland" or perhaps "Ireland (Island)". Then this will facilitate the movement of the "The Republic of Ireland" page to it's official name of "Ireland".
I note nations such as Chile or Turkey for example, take precedence over any material aspect that is not a nation, and a simple not at the beginning of the article could clear any confusion:
This article is about the country. For the island, see Island of Ireland. For other uses, see Ireland (disambiguation)
The last paragraph of the wiki page I linked gives as clear cut an indication on the correct naming (or incorrect naming) of the Irish state in the current page arrangement.
It states (in the official conduct of international relations of the European Union); "The Inter Institutional Style Guide of The Office for Official Publications of the European Communities sets out how the names of the Member states of the European Union must always be written and abbreviated in EU publications. Concerning Ireland, it states that its official names are Éire and Ireland; its official name in English is Ireland; its country code is IE; and its former abbreviation was IRL. It also adds the following guidance: "NB: Do not use 'Republic of Ireland' nor 'Irish Republic'." [1]"
I trust this clears up the issue and the necessary amendments can be made in the near future.
Thank you for your time and all the work you do with Wikipedia.
Kind regards
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It would be good to have one for the name, "Ireland". The history listed does show some of the earlier versions of this name as it appeared in the Irish language, but if it can be traced back to deeper origins, that would be interesting.
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What's the objection to including Polish? Gob Lofa ( talk) 14:13, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
It's silly to add Polish as it has no official or traditional connection to the country. A lot of Polish workers moved to Ireland over the last decade or so, but there's also Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, etc. You could just as easily insist that Russian is also listed, as many of those people also speak it as their shared language. Polish could certainly be mentioned in the text, but has no place in the info box or the lede. -- Dmol ( talk) 20:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
I felt the lead was unnecessarily large and noticed that the 4th paragraph would be better suited as a prelude to the history section so I transferred it. AlwynJPie ( talk) 16:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC) Murry1975, this "4th paragraph" serves much better as an overview of the History section. Having an overview of a section before its subsections is not uncommon; indeed in this very article there is an overview in the Culture section. AlwynJPie ( talk) 19:45, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Why is this listed as an official language? It does not have language status Jackeen17 ( talk) 12:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
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Spting days ( talk) 10:52, 31 March 2016 (UTC) The description of a sod or turf is not quite, a sod is a piece of turf.
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bdrbogart April 18th, 2016 PDT In section "Northern Ireland" there is a grammatical error: "Along with England and Wales and Scotland..." should be changed to "Along with England, Wales and Scotland...".
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The TLD field in the infobox currently just shows ".ie". Should ".uk" be added (possibly with a footnote) or should the field just be removed? It seems a bit strange to have, why not also "drives on the..." and the rest of the specifics you get in a country infobox? -- Inops ( talk) 15:02, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
A quote from the Northern Ireland section: "Along with England, Wales and Scotland, Northern Ireland forms one of the three separate legal jurisdictions of the UK". A previous talk paragraph above also addresses this, but unfortunately confusion still reigns. Every county and civil parish is a "legal jurisdiction"! What about "four countries" or "four nations"? 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:E1:DF31:5B44:7E0A ( talk) 22:04, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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African have not had a significant influence on Irish culture.
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Under Economy in the table of biggest population Centres, for the East of Northern Ireland, Ballymena is misspelled Ballymeena
Can Someone with access edit this, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.84.2 ( talk • contribs)
How long has it said "Largest Settlement" instead of "Capital" you incompetent xenophobes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:2161:7280:806F:5235:9989:97AB ( talk) 00:36, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Since when have the British Isles been called the "so called British Isles"? They are called the British Isles. CdOl0lO ( talk) 10:55, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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The weather is MODERATE (not moderated), second paragraph 2001:569:FB46:1F00:48FE:A573:BBB0:B129 ( talk) 02:45, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
The sports section mentions that Northern Ireland has produced two world snooker champions (Alex Higgins and Dennis Taylor, though not named in the article), but it should really also mention that R.O. Ireland has had one as well (Ken Doherty). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.115.17 ( talk) 22:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Rob984 inserted different area figures with a UN source removing the Irish Government's own source adding an edit comment: I have amened the area per the UN's Island Directory. The figure given by the Irish Government is 84,421 km2, which ≈ combined area of the Republic and Northern Ireland (84,412 km2); thus is most certainly including surrounding islands. I reverted it for now suggesting it should be discussed here to determine the correct area. What reliable sources do others have? ww2censor ( talk) 12:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Ireland's oldest Pub is the Brazen Head which was established in 1198. The structure is still standing with some upgrades inside. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amwurt ( talk • contribs) 04:07, 5 February 2017
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change to red fox to madra rua (red dog) Edit2017zinerly ( talk) 08:45, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that the stats in the infobox at the top of the page all seem to be taken from sources that are at least 3 years old, some as much as five years or older. Not a big deal for some categories, but I very much suspect that a lot of the demographics information is badly in need of updating. It looked off enough to me that I felt the need to check the date on the sources anyway. I'm not a regular contributor, and I don't have replacement sources/stats ready to pop in, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to shine a light on it in case someone felt like looking in to it? Thanks. 37.228.226.218 ( talk) 23:39, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
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I removed two tags of "dubious" about the area of the island. I didn't see any discussion challenging this on the talk page but now see it has been brought up in archived discussions at least in 2009. It seems someone claims this statement comes from the Republic of Ireland and is wrong? I added an additional citation from National Geographic. If there are credible allegations that the Republic of Ireland was lying/mistaken in its evaluation of the island's area, wouldn't this be a widely known dispute? Surely it would be significant enough to include, if there were anyone of prominence countering with a different number? Otherwise it seems to be WP:OR that it is dubious. Additionally, as was suggested in 2009, any discrepancy seems to be concerning whether or not outlying islands are being counted. Could we get this clarified? Since the 84k figure is given in regards to the actual Island of Ireland itself, it would be confusing if this included the area of other islands nearby. I'm not an expert in this area so am proposing this sake of clarity for laypeople reading the article. —Мандичка YO 😜 20:57, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Here's my comment from that discussion:
I can't find any other reliable sources from a quick Google Search, but...
- The Republic of Ireland has an area of 70,273 [11]–70,282 km2 [12]
- Northern Ireland has an area of 14,130 km2 [13]
The figure cited by the Irish Government for the whole island is 84,421 km2, greater than the combined area of the two jurisdictions (84,417 km2).
Note also that the source is comparing the Republic of Ireland's area to the whole of Ireland—which would be a misleading comparison if it did not include surrounding islands like in the Republic of Ireland's figure.
The area of just a few islands would create discrepancy: Achill Island (146 km2), Great Island (53 km2) Inishmore (31 km2), Valentia Island (26 km2), Gorumna Island (24 km2), Bere Island (19 km2), Aran Island (18 km2), Clare Island (16 km2) [14]
So I thinnk all islands taken into account could encompass around 2,500 km2, as the UN's Island Directory suggests.
Although I agree, additional sources would be ideal.
Like I said, it's pretty clear the Irish Government is taking into account both jurisdictions (since it's being compared with the Republic's total area), so why are we using it as a source for the island?
My understanding is that area figures are calculated up to the low-tide line, given this is regarded as the edge of land and beginning of territorial waters under international law.
Edit: To add, the area of countries often also takes into account coastal internal waters (e.g. small bays), which you wouldn't typically include as part of the area of an island from a geographical perspective. It doesn't make sense for the island to be larger then both jurisdictions when the jurisidctions are taking into account coastal internal waters and other islands, up to the low water mark. The UN's figure is 81,638 sq. km. Here is the listing in the UN's island directory: http://islands.unep.ch/IBT.htm#749
Rob984 ( talk) 17:12, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I read the article and I found it very interesting. I made some minor fixes and improvements, to the grammar, the punctuation and the layout. I leave below a series of questions and comments.
1. "In 1166, Mac Murrough had fled to Anjou, France, following a war involving Tighearnán Ua Ruairc, of Breifne, and sought the assistance of the Angevin king, Henry II, in recapturing his kingdom".
What kingdom?
2. "The British–Irish Intergovernmental Conference provides for co-operation between the Government of Ireland and the Government of the United Kingdom on all matter of mutual interest, especially Northern Ireland."
The last part of the sentence, "especially Northern Ireland" is somewhat ambiguous. I feel that it could be improved.
3. The section that starts with "The algal and seaweed flora" and ends with "although for many years it was regarded as an alien species" in my opinion is awkward, unnecessary, irrelevant, out of context and out of place. It just does not fit with the rest of the text above.
4. "Counties in Northern Ireland are no longer used for local governmental purposes".
What's the reason?
5. Under the "Migration" section, the Great Famine has two date ranges: 1845 to 1852 and 1845 to 1849. This is inconsistent.
6. "As of 2006, 4.3 million Canadians, or 14% of the population, are of Irish descent. As of 2013, a total of 34.5 million Americans claim Irish ancestry."
If the Canada has a percentage it would be proper to add a percentage for the U.S.A.
7. "The Irish philosopher and theologian Johannes Scotus Eriugena was considered one of the leading intellectuals of his early Middle Ages."
His of who?
8. "Paddy Barnes secured bronze in those games and gold in the 2010 European Amateur Boxing Championships".
What are "those" games?
9. What is "salmon driftnet fishery"?
ICE77 ( talk) 05:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)