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While the term is not used by many individuals of other faiths or denominations of Christianity in reference to the Pope
What is this supposed to mean? Most Catholics wouldn't refer to the Pope as "His Holiness" in everyday conversation, either. john k 16:22, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
You christians do nothing according to faith.Like you do election for pope which has nothing to do with faith.So what is it going on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.125.81 ( talk) 18:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The unsigned comment is very rude and offensive, repeat that again and I will report you. To User:John Kennedy, Fellow clergymen refer to the Pope as "His Holiness", and that is also how World Leaders address him, as well as how letters are addressed to him. I was also wondering If we should add Pope Theodore II of the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria to the list of people titled "His Holiness"? Tarheelz123 ( talk) 23:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The Eastern Orthodox Pope/Patriarch of Alexandria is often called His Beatitutde or His Blessedness. I was unaware he was ever called His Holiness. I think this needs to be changed in the article. Also, in Buddhism, the Panchen Lama is called His Holiness. Tom 129.93.17.168 ( talk) 21:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
It's my understanding that some honorifics like this are only used to address people during their life. Is that true? Would current writers refer to "His Holiness Pope Pius VI"? Will Beback talk 03:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
The honorific "His Late Holiness" should be used, when referring to deceased persons of such status. 2 B Promoted ( talk) 19:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
The supreme head of the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church is the Catholicos of the East. Catholicos of the East is officially titled as "His Holiness" only. The Orthodox Syrian Christians of India having the apostolic tradition of St. Thomas since AD 52 and is having an Oriental Orthodox faith with the supreme head as the Catholicos of the East. Please don't try to delete His Holiness from the list of Christian leaders who is having the same titular designation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasmathewk ( talk • contribs) 02:59, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Since no one ever created this for the proposed merger of the His Holiness and Your Holiness articles, I will create the merger discussion.
The articles Your Holiness is only three paragraphs long, and basically the same thing as the article Your Holiness, but lacking the quality of content. I propose that these two articles are merged. Anjwalker Talk 10:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I did a brief google books search on this. It appears that before WWII, the title is only ever used of the pope. Wider application seems to emerge from the 1960s or so (Hare Krishna and what have you). The very earliest application to the Dalai Lama I could find dates to 1949 [1].
It should be researched whether this extended use (a) actually translates a number of non-English title that have been in use before, or if (b) people just started unthinkingly calling everyone who looked like a religious leader "His Holiness" just for the sake of neutrality. So far we don't know because nobody bothered to develop this article beyond dumping a bunch of google results from 2012. -- dab (𒁳) 16:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
The Ecumenical Patriarch bears the honorific "His All Holiness". [1] 2 B Promoted ( talk) 19:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: pages not moved to the proposed titles at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 02:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
– Simplicity, brevity (arguably some of them per WP:THE); taking into account gender neutrality. As such per WP:CONSISTENCY with Majesty, Apostolic Majesty, Imperial Highness, Royal Highness, Serene Highness, Britannic Majesty, Highness, Serenity (style), Grace (style), Excellency, etc., and seemingly most equivalent entries in Category:Styles (manners of address) and subcategories. Secondary optional pattern, if the resulting article name is occupied or estimated not being being WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: Holiness (style) ( Grace (style) seems to be the most prevalent disambiguator), Holiness (form of address), Holiness (manner of address or Holiness (honorific). Leading paragraph could still commence with "His/Her X", "The X", etc. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 01:00, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
"Lhamo Thondup has been adopting the title His Holiness on the 14th Dalai Lama website. Dalai Lama itself is a title created by Altan Khan."
This paragraph seems irrelevant to the rest of the article. The previous paragraph already states that the Dalai Lama uses the style "His Holiness". This paragraph seems to suggest that the 14th Dalai Lama was the one who created the use of this style, which is unverifiable. Furthermore, the origins of the creation of the Dalai Lama title is irrelevant to the style "His Holiness". I would propose that this paragraph be removed. Jemauvais ( talk) 10:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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The following topic deals with the title of His Holiness and not of His Eminence. For most of the Christian denominations Who believe in the Communion of saints and in the Mystical body of Christ, the holiness is a property of dead people whose souls are alive in Purgatory or in Paradise. Living people are capable of sinning or of redeeming themselves untill the last instant of their earthly life (like in the case of the betrayment of Judas or of the penitent thief).
This point of view has no concerns in the current WP article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.38.21.146 ( talk) 20:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
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While the term is not used by many individuals of other faiths or denominations of Christianity in reference to the Pope
What is this supposed to mean? Most Catholics wouldn't refer to the Pope as "His Holiness" in everyday conversation, either. john k 16:22, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
You christians do nothing according to faith.Like you do election for pope which has nothing to do with faith.So what is it going on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.125.81 ( talk) 18:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The unsigned comment is very rude and offensive, repeat that again and I will report you. To User:John Kennedy, Fellow clergymen refer to the Pope as "His Holiness", and that is also how World Leaders address him, as well as how letters are addressed to him. I was also wondering If we should add Pope Theodore II of the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria to the list of people titled "His Holiness"? Tarheelz123 ( talk) 23:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The Eastern Orthodox Pope/Patriarch of Alexandria is often called His Beatitutde or His Blessedness. I was unaware he was ever called His Holiness. I think this needs to be changed in the article. Also, in Buddhism, the Panchen Lama is called His Holiness. Tom 129.93.17.168 ( talk) 21:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
It's my understanding that some honorifics like this are only used to address people during their life. Is that true? Would current writers refer to "His Holiness Pope Pius VI"? Will Beback talk 03:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
The honorific "His Late Holiness" should be used, when referring to deceased persons of such status. 2 B Promoted ( talk) 19:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
The supreme head of the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church is the Catholicos of the East. Catholicos of the East is officially titled as "His Holiness" only. The Orthodox Syrian Christians of India having the apostolic tradition of St. Thomas since AD 52 and is having an Oriental Orthodox faith with the supreme head as the Catholicos of the East. Please don't try to delete His Holiness from the list of Christian leaders who is having the same titular designation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasmathewk ( talk • contribs) 02:59, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Since no one ever created this for the proposed merger of the His Holiness and Your Holiness articles, I will create the merger discussion.
The articles Your Holiness is only three paragraphs long, and basically the same thing as the article Your Holiness, but lacking the quality of content. I propose that these two articles are merged. Anjwalker Talk 10:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I did a brief google books search on this. It appears that before WWII, the title is only ever used of the pope. Wider application seems to emerge from the 1960s or so (Hare Krishna and what have you). The very earliest application to the Dalai Lama I could find dates to 1949 [1].
It should be researched whether this extended use (a) actually translates a number of non-English title that have been in use before, or if (b) people just started unthinkingly calling everyone who looked like a religious leader "His Holiness" just for the sake of neutrality. So far we don't know because nobody bothered to develop this article beyond dumping a bunch of google results from 2012. -- dab (𒁳) 16:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
The Ecumenical Patriarch bears the honorific "His All Holiness". [1] 2 B Promoted ( talk) 19:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: pages not moved to the proposed titles at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 02:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
– Simplicity, brevity (arguably some of them per WP:THE); taking into account gender neutrality. As such per WP:CONSISTENCY with Majesty, Apostolic Majesty, Imperial Highness, Royal Highness, Serene Highness, Britannic Majesty, Highness, Serenity (style), Grace (style), Excellency, etc., and seemingly most equivalent entries in Category:Styles (manners of address) and subcategories. Secondary optional pattern, if the resulting article name is occupied or estimated not being being WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: Holiness (style) ( Grace (style) seems to be the most prevalent disambiguator), Holiness (form of address), Holiness (manner of address or Holiness (honorific). Leading paragraph could still commence with "His/Her X", "The X", etc. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 01:00, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
"Lhamo Thondup has been adopting the title His Holiness on the 14th Dalai Lama website. Dalai Lama itself is a title created by Altan Khan."
This paragraph seems irrelevant to the rest of the article. The previous paragraph already states that the Dalai Lama uses the style "His Holiness". This paragraph seems to suggest that the 14th Dalai Lama was the one who created the use of this style, which is unverifiable. Furthermore, the origins of the creation of the Dalai Lama title is irrelevant to the style "His Holiness". I would propose that this paragraph be removed. Jemauvais ( talk) 10:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:His Eminence which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 21:18, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
The following topic deals with the title of His Holiness and not of His Eminence. For most of the Christian denominations Who believe in the Communion of saints and in the Mystical body of Christ, the holiness is a property of dead people whose souls are alive in Purgatory or in Paradise. Living people are capable of sinning or of redeeming themselves untill the last instant of their earthly life (like in the case of the betrayment of Judas or of the penitent thief).
This point of view has no concerns in the current WP article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.38.21.146 ( talk) 20:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)