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I am removing the sentence “Among the personalities covered in the Hellenic Nomarchy is the Albanian ruler Ali Pasha, who is labeled as a lord and a father for the people of Epirus and Thessaly.” This was added from ZjarriRrethues and he used as a source the book “ Epirus, 4000 years of Greek history and civilization” by M. V. Sakellariou. It is from google books and if you check the link you can't really see what the actual paragraph of the book says. In fact no were the Hellenic Nomarchy describes Ali Pasha as lord and father of Epirus and Thessaly(sic)! Actually the text is completely different. The complete and original text of Hellenic Nomarchy is on Internet( and actually there is a link in the article).Here is the text about Ali pasha and below follows a translation off most of it from me. The text is written in simple Kathareuousa Greek with some archaic elements and it is quite easy to understand by anyone who can read Greek.
original Greek text:
"Ἡ διαυθέντευσις τῶν Σουλιώτων κατὰ τοῦ τῆς Ἠπείρου τυράννου, ἀρκετῶς θέλει τοὺς ἀποδείξει, ὅτι ἡ Ἑλλὰς γεννᾷ ἀκόμη Λεωνίδας καὶ Θεμιστοκλεῖς. Ὤ, πόσον θέλουν μείνει ἔκθαμβοι, ὅταν ἀναγνώσουν τὰ θαυμαστὰ κατορθώματα τοῦ μεγάλου Φώτου, ἐκείνου, λέγω, τοῦ ἥρωος τοῦ Σούλιου καὶ ὅλων τῶν Σουλιώτων, τῶν ὁποίων ἡ ἀνδρεία, ἡ μεγαλοψυχία, καὶ ὁ ζῆλος περὶ τῆς ἐλευθερίας τῆς πατρίδος των, ἀθανάτισαν τὸ ὄνομά των, καὶ ἔφερον εἰς ἀπελπισμὸν χίλιας φορὰς τὸν ἐχθρόν τους τύραννον, τὸν ἀχρειέστατον λέγω Ἀλῆ!
'Ἔπρεπε, βέβαια, νὰ ἔζῃ ὁ Θουκυδίδης ἢ ὁ Ξενοφῶν, διὰ νὰ γράψῃ τὴν ἱστορίαν αὐτῶν τῶν πολέμων καὶ τὰς κακίας αὐτοῦ τοῦ αἱμοβόρου τέρατος, ὁπού, ἕως ἀπὸ τοὺς 1787 μέχρι τῆς σήμερον, δὲν ἔπαυσεν ἀπὸ τοῦ νὰ τυραννῇ τοὺς ταλαιπώρους Ἠπειρώτας καὶ Θετταλούς, σκληρῶς καὶ ἀσπλάγχνως.
Αὐτός, ἀφοῦ ἥρπασε μὲ διάφορα πονηρὰ μέσα τὸ ἀνεξάρτητον κράτος τῆς Ἠπείρου καὶ Θετταλίας, καὶ γνωρίζοντας κατὰ πρᾶξιν τὰ πρὸς τὴν τυραννίαν δέοντα, ἐσκεπάσθη κατ᾿ ἀρχὰς μὲ τὸ ἔνδυμα τῆς ὑποκρίσεως, καὶ οὕτως, πλανῶντας μὲ ψευδεῖς ἐπαίνους καὶ πλουσιοπάροχα ταξίματα τοὺς ἄρχοντας καὶ προεστούς, ἠπάτησεν σχεδὸν ὅλους, καὶ καθεὶς ἐνόμισε διὰ ὀλίγον καιρόν, νὰ εὑρῆκεν εἰς αὐτὸν ἡ εὔκαρπος γῆ τῆς Ἠπείρου καὶ Θετταλίας καὶ οἱ κάτοικοι αὐτῶν ἕνα διαυθεντευτὴν καὶ ἕνα πατέρα.'
Ἀλλ᾿ ἀφοῦ ὁ ἄσπλαγχνος καὶ σκληρὸς τύραννος ἐστερέωσε τὴν δυναστείαν του, ἔρριψεν εὐθὺς τὴν σκέπην τῆς προσποιήσεως, καὶ παραχρῆμα ἐξατμήθη ὅλη ἡ δυσωδία τῆς τυραννίας του. Τότε οἱ Ἠπειρῶται ἄνοιξαν τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς των, ἀλλά, φεῦ! δὲν εἶδον ἄλλο, εἰμὴ τὸν φοβερὸν θρόνον τοῦ τυράννου ἐπάνω εἰς τὰς κεφαλάς των. Κεχαυνωμένοι οὖν ἀπὸ τὴν τυραννικὴν μέθην, δὲν ἀπεφάσισαν ἐν καιρῷ νὰ συντρίψουν τοσοῦτον ζυγόν· ὅθεν καὶ ηὔξησεν βαθμηδὸν καὶ ἐστερεώθη τόσον, ὥστε ὁποὺ ὁ ἴδιος τύραννος θαυμάζει διὰ τὴν ἀναισθησίαν τῶν δούλων του (7). Οὔτε εἰς τὴν γενικὴν ἱστορίαν εὑρίσκεται παρόμοιός του. Ὤ, τῆς ταλαιπωρίας σου ἀνθρωπότης! ὤ, ἀνυπόφορος ἐντροπή! ὤ, θέαμα ἐλεεινόν."
English text:
"...There should have been a Thucydides or a Xenophon to write the history of this bloodthirsty monster who from 1787 till today , hasn't stop to torture the poor Eperotans and Thessalians , in a cruel and heartless way.
After cunningly grabbed the independent state of Eperus and Thessaly, and being expert in tyranny, he tricked with flattery and fake promises the powerful locals and he managed to fool them all. Everyone thought for awhile that the fertile lands of Eperus and Thessaly has found a master and a father.
But after the cruel and heartless tyrant, secure his power he immediate through down his mask and at once the awful smell of his tyranny released to the air. Then the Eperotans open their eyes but Alas! they saw nothing more than the terrible throne of the tyrant over their heads. Being mesmerised by the tyrant they did not decided on time to through down their chains and thus he secure and increase his power so much that even the tyrant admires how unable to react are his slave.
Never in history there is one like him. Oh how you suffer humanity! Oh insufferable shame. Oh pitiful sight!"
As we all can see the Hellenic Nomarchy had an exact opposite view for Ali Pasha. "Blood thirsty tyrant" and not a "father". ZjarriRrethues used Google books is such a way that caused many mistakes. Seleukosa ( talk) 13:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The same view of Ali Pasha is to be found in the Greek Nomarchy of 1806 ("the fertile land of Epirus and Thessaly and the inhabitants of these lands found in him a lord and a father")25 and similar judgements were made by the majority of the foreign travellers who visited Epirus during the more than 30 years of his rule. The publishers of the Ephemeris and later the Anonymous author of the Greek Nomarchy were not, of course, unaware of his inexorable attitude and his continued campaigns to conquer Souli, which began in 1789 and came to an end in 1804.
Alexikoua ( talk) 15:03, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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I am removing the sentence “Among the personalities covered in the Hellenic Nomarchy is the Albanian ruler Ali Pasha, who is labeled as a lord and a father for the people of Epirus and Thessaly.” This was added from ZjarriRrethues and he used as a source the book “ Epirus, 4000 years of Greek history and civilization” by M. V. Sakellariou. It is from google books and if you check the link you can't really see what the actual paragraph of the book says. In fact no were the Hellenic Nomarchy describes Ali Pasha as lord and father of Epirus and Thessaly(sic)! Actually the text is completely different. The complete and original text of Hellenic Nomarchy is on Internet( and actually there is a link in the article).Here is the text about Ali pasha and below follows a translation off most of it from me. The text is written in simple Kathareuousa Greek with some archaic elements and it is quite easy to understand by anyone who can read Greek.
original Greek text:
"Ἡ διαυθέντευσις τῶν Σουλιώτων κατὰ τοῦ τῆς Ἠπείρου τυράννου, ἀρκετῶς θέλει τοὺς ἀποδείξει, ὅτι ἡ Ἑλλὰς γεννᾷ ἀκόμη Λεωνίδας καὶ Θεμιστοκλεῖς. Ὤ, πόσον θέλουν μείνει ἔκθαμβοι, ὅταν ἀναγνώσουν τὰ θαυμαστὰ κατορθώματα τοῦ μεγάλου Φώτου, ἐκείνου, λέγω, τοῦ ἥρωος τοῦ Σούλιου καὶ ὅλων τῶν Σουλιώτων, τῶν ὁποίων ἡ ἀνδρεία, ἡ μεγαλοψυχία, καὶ ὁ ζῆλος περὶ τῆς ἐλευθερίας τῆς πατρίδος των, ἀθανάτισαν τὸ ὄνομά των, καὶ ἔφερον εἰς ἀπελπισμὸν χίλιας φορὰς τὸν ἐχθρόν τους τύραννον, τὸν ἀχρειέστατον λέγω Ἀλῆ!
'Ἔπρεπε, βέβαια, νὰ ἔζῃ ὁ Θουκυδίδης ἢ ὁ Ξενοφῶν, διὰ νὰ γράψῃ τὴν ἱστορίαν αὐτῶν τῶν πολέμων καὶ τὰς κακίας αὐτοῦ τοῦ αἱμοβόρου τέρατος, ὁπού, ἕως ἀπὸ τοὺς 1787 μέχρι τῆς σήμερον, δὲν ἔπαυσεν ἀπὸ τοῦ νὰ τυραννῇ τοὺς ταλαιπώρους Ἠπειρώτας καὶ Θετταλούς, σκληρῶς καὶ ἀσπλάγχνως.
Αὐτός, ἀφοῦ ἥρπασε μὲ διάφορα πονηρὰ μέσα τὸ ἀνεξάρτητον κράτος τῆς Ἠπείρου καὶ Θετταλίας, καὶ γνωρίζοντας κατὰ πρᾶξιν τὰ πρὸς τὴν τυραννίαν δέοντα, ἐσκεπάσθη κατ᾿ ἀρχὰς μὲ τὸ ἔνδυμα τῆς ὑποκρίσεως, καὶ οὕτως, πλανῶντας μὲ ψευδεῖς ἐπαίνους καὶ πλουσιοπάροχα ταξίματα τοὺς ἄρχοντας καὶ προεστούς, ἠπάτησεν σχεδὸν ὅλους, καὶ καθεὶς ἐνόμισε διὰ ὀλίγον καιρόν, νὰ εὑρῆκεν εἰς αὐτὸν ἡ εὔκαρπος γῆ τῆς Ἠπείρου καὶ Θετταλίας καὶ οἱ κάτοικοι αὐτῶν ἕνα διαυθεντευτὴν καὶ ἕνα πατέρα.'
Ἀλλ᾿ ἀφοῦ ὁ ἄσπλαγχνος καὶ σκληρὸς τύραννος ἐστερέωσε τὴν δυναστείαν του, ἔρριψεν εὐθὺς τὴν σκέπην τῆς προσποιήσεως, καὶ παραχρῆμα ἐξατμήθη ὅλη ἡ δυσωδία τῆς τυραννίας του. Τότε οἱ Ἠπειρῶται ἄνοιξαν τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς των, ἀλλά, φεῦ! δὲν εἶδον ἄλλο, εἰμὴ τὸν φοβερὸν θρόνον τοῦ τυράννου ἐπάνω εἰς τὰς κεφαλάς των. Κεχαυνωμένοι οὖν ἀπὸ τὴν τυραννικὴν μέθην, δὲν ἀπεφάσισαν ἐν καιρῷ νὰ συντρίψουν τοσοῦτον ζυγόν· ὅθεν καὶ ηὔξησεν βαθμηδὸν καὶ ἐστερεώθη τόσον, ὥστε ὁποὺ ὁ ἴδιος τύραννος θαυμάζει διὰ τὴν ἀναισθησίαν τῶν δούλων του (7). Οὔτε εἰς τὴν γενικὴν ἱστορίαν εὑρίσκεται παρόμοιός του. Ὤ, τῆς ταλαιπωρίας σου ἀνθρωπότης! ὤ, ἀνυπόφορος ἐντροπή! ὤ, θέαμα ἐλεεινόν."
English text:
"...There should have been a Thucydides or a Xenophon to write the history of this bloodthirsty monster who from 1787 till today , hasn't stop to torture the poor Eperotans and Thessalians , in a cruel and heartless way.
After cunningly grabbed the independent state of Eperus and Thessaly, and being expert in tyranny, he tricked with flattery and fake promises the powerful locals and he managed to fool them all. Everyone thought for awhile that the fertile lands of Eperus and Thessaly has found a master and a father.
But after the cruel and heartless tyrant, secure his power he immediate through down his mask and at once the awful smell of his tyranny released to the air. Then the Eperotans open their eyes but Alas! they saw nothing more than the terrible throne of the tyrant over their heads. Being mesmerised by the tyrant they did not decided on time to through down their chains and thus he secure and increase his power so much that even the tyrant admires how unable to react are his slave.
Never in history there is one like him. Oh how you suffer humanity! Oh insufferable shame. Oh pitiful sight!"
As we all can see the Hellenic Nomarchy had an exact opposite view for Ali Pasha. "Blood thirsty tyrant" and not a "father". ZjarriRrethues used Google books is such a way that caused many mistakes. Seleukosa ( talk) 13:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The same view of Ali Pasha is to be found in the Greek Nomarchy of 1806 ("the fertile land of Epirus and Thessaly and the inhabitants of these lands found in him a lord and a father")25 and similar judgements were made by the majority of the foreign travellers who visited Epirus during the more than 30 years of his rule. The publishers of the Ephemeris and later the Anonymous author of the Greek Nomarchy were not, of course, unaware of his inexorable attitude and his continued campaigns to conquer Souli, which began in 1789 and came to an end in 1804.
Alexikoua ( talk) 15:03, 12 March 2011 (UTC)