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It might be interesting to add information about the fake versions of the book that have circulated on the internet. At least one of them is actually quite long, and almost had me fooled (except for its very racy content, which seemed out of place in a children's book). 168.209.98.35 00:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC) Interesting - but do rumours hava a place in WikiPedia. Should this link to Meta until the book is released or info substantiated ? -- Chris Q 13:25 Dec 10, 2002 (UTC) Yes. -- Tarquin 11:00 Jan 5, 2003 (UTC) I assumed that all of this nonsense will be replaced by actual content once someone who shall remain nameless finishes the book that she has been writing for the past three years. I hope she's working on it and not on wiki articles... -- Dave 03:11 Jan 5, 2003 (PST) "prefect" links to the wrong sort of prefect -- Gcs
If people are going to put info from the book in, such as who dies, could they put in a spoilers notice for people outside of their timezone, at least for a day or two? -- Jim Regan So who did die? Evercat is not reading the books...
Odd thought: why would Amazon expect the USPS to store something until a specific date just because they write it on the package? Is this a service that the USPS provides??? If I write a letter with a notation "Do not deliver until Christmas" on it, should I expect the USPS to hold it till then? Without payment of an extra fee? hmmmm..... --- Someone else 04:32 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)
From the article, placed here in case anyone wants to field these. -- goatasaur 04:26 2 Jul 2003 (UTC) Open questions:
-well...actually, in the third book, Harry saves Petigrew, which creates the unbreakable bond between them...so Petigrew must have decided to back away for a while, seeing as he ows his life to Harry...my guess..(luvhp)
At least five mistakes found in Order of the Phoenix [1] -- Jim Regan 22:44 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)
It was Cedric's death that caused Harry to see the Thestrals because he was old enough to comprehend it, and he was affected by it in a different way than by the death of his parents. When his parents were killed, Harry did not know what was happening, nor did he have memory of it until he dealt with Dementors. However, Cedric died in the Goblet of Fire, and at the end of that book, Harry took the horsless carraige back to Hogsmeade station after Cedric had died, and didn't see the Thestrals. JK Rowlings explaination for this is that Harry was still in shock at that time, and only after months of dwelling on Cedric's death, and accepting the finality of it, did the Thestrals become visible to Harry. Apparently they are only visible to you after you have witnessed and mourned a death. On this note, could it be possible that some people - like Voldemort, who have witnessed many deaths, but have no love in their heart, might not see Thestrals? MM 8.17.05
the only error in the book I spotted was that when Harry and them were cleaning up Grimuald place, he stated that "Snape would have called this cleaning, but harry-" ect. But the book was pointing towards the refernce being more towards Sirius, when Snape had not been mentioned for several pages.
FitcisiousOddwobble
How could Trelawney have know that Snape was evesdropping when she was in the middle of her prophecy trance? Trelawnley should not remember Snape at all! Either Snape heard the whole prophecy, or the prophecy was delivered halfway, Snape interrupted, then Trelawney resumed/repeated from the beginning. See HBP chp 25 seer overheard. Turidoth 00:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
from Trelawney: he one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies...and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not...and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies... Trelawney's article actually mentions this inconsistency. Turidoth 00:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC) Actually we get the story of Snape intruding from Trelawney but the fact that the easdropper was found HALF WAY THROUGH was from Dumbledore. This maybe part of the plot, the difference in stories, so u can't really call it a mistake. Newboy123 23:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure someone posted some of the book to alt.fan.harry-potter a day or so before the official release, it should be findable via google. -- Imran 22:52, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Your information on Vietnamese is out of date. It was published in 22 weekly instalments between 21 July and 15 December 2003.
Hey look! I got on the news! (Cough) Sorry, please ignore that. An external link in the article about the spread of pirated versions of OotP seems to be broken - it leads to the MSNBC main technology news page. If someone who's better at it than me can find the right news bit the link should be corrected - if not, deleted. -- Kizor 12:40, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I removed the review by the Commmunist newsletter from the article, and indeed deleted the whole "Review" section. This is clearly misleading, almost purposefully so, and insinuates that the book promotes Communism or is condoned by the Communist party. - Librarian Brent 03:46, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have removed the baffling jargon "programmatic non-interactive education" and a sentence which was presumably linked with it. I'd be surprised if one person in a hundred years has any idea what this means. If it deserves to be here, which I doubt as this is not an academic journal on educational theory, it needs to be (briefly) explained or else wikilinked to an article which does so. Calsicol 08:00, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
I found this in eeggs.
It says:
Look on page 125 at the bottom. The quote is:
"No, no, I'm sure it's fine," said Mr. Weasley, holding the receiver above his head and peering at the dial. "let's see...six..." he dialed the number, "two...four...and another four...and another two..."
The number they dial is 62442. If you look on a standard telephone, there are letters underneath the numbers. What five-letter word would JK Rowling use for the Ministry? MAGIC! JK Rowling would use the best word for the job, and she did.
Trivia about this MAGIC telephone number. In the UK, the number 084500 62442 is the number to hire a magician from the Magic Circle.
The Magic Circle Headquarters
Further uses for this Easter Egg: If you go to JK Rowling's official web site, (jkrowling.com) there are many interesting facts and articles to read, but there are also some hidden surprises. If you enter the phone number for the ministry of magic - 62442, on the cell phone on the desk and press enter, you will be treated to a rough draft page from Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone that has a never seen before plot line that was abandoned early in the editing process.
Please, folks, feel free to wail on my "synopsis." It's probably about ten times too long, but it's a difficult book to summarize, and I'd rather people have to trim and reword rather than have to pull out the book and look stuff up constantly. Of course, you're welcome to do that too, obviously. [I realise that feeling free to wail on my synopsis is a given on the Wikipedia, but I want to decare a full-on Open Season on it, so to speak.] Phil Bordelon 20:36 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I changed a couple of small things here and there, which you may wish to look over - I'm not sure my changes sit well enough. Brilliant summary—I'm glad I waited to finish the book before even glancing at it! -- Jim Regan 06:14 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
It looks like everyone else who edited the synopsis found only little nitpicks too. I'd say that was an endorsement :) -- Jim Regan 19:19 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Hey I was thinking that perhaps the plot section could be merged into Harry Potter (plot) for the articles of the books. Some of the book articles have more lengthy plot summaries than the plot article, some less lengthy, and I'd like to try and make that more consistent. Any opinions? EvilPhoenix 03:16, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
As I said on the Goblet of Fire talk page, do we need both a plot synopsis and a detailed plot synopsis? People can read the section they need, or all of it. It's a waste of space and duplication at the same time. May I delete the top version and combine the two. Eragon fan ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
Is the synopsis too long? Couldn't it be a bit shorter, more like the H-BP one? It just seems that if somebody wanted a brief overview of the plot, they might be put off by something that would take at least 5 minutes to read. -- Whiteheadj 08:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Some of the things i have left in the short version could also be reduced further, if it is to remain as an introduction to the longer version. On the other hand, if there was an insistence on keeping a short version only, then I do not think it should be shorter than it now is. Some of the other book summaries are too short for long books. Sandpiper
I've removed the following section, as it is unsourced and uncited. If there can be some citation provided for this section, it should go back into the article.
Thanks. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 02:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't the images of covers only be for the English versions of the books since this is the English Wikipedia? I think that the Brazilian cover should be moved to the Portuguese page and the French cover to the French page. - Phi*n!x 01:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Pages for The Gurg and Gurg redirect here, but I can't see any mention. -- Beardo 22:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC) the title Gurg is the Giants leaders title. User:Dursley
In the article it says that it was the curse from Belextrix that killed him, when it was actualy going through the veil that killed him ("His eyes widened in shock", if he was dead his eyes coulden't widen) 58.172.36.4 02:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC) (added by sources unknown) Belextrix killed him by knocking him through the veil Sirius's death is undoubtedly, regretable...and unfortunately, the last member of Harry's family he had left(besides the Dursleys) but whay I dont understand, is why Kreatcher, (house elf) betrayed Sirius, and joined with another wizard family, if in the sixth book, Harry owns Kreatcher, and asks alot of him,you would think we would again, betray his master, but, he doesn't...why is that? And if you've never read the books, Harry thinks that Tonks(another member to the Order of the Pheonix) is in love with Sirius, when really, she loves Lupin....(former Professor) cute, ain't it? (luvhp)
Along the lines of when Bellatrix killed Sirius. Sirius saw the curse coming and couldn't stoop laughing. If you think this is rediculus then ponder on this. A KILLING curse KILLS people on contact. Are you trying to say that Sirius was jumping backwards towards the veil when the curse KILLed him??? User:broncofreak12321 Correct me if im wrong, but didnt he get hit by a torturing curse (i cant spell it sry) which blasted him into the veil? IRCarlos ( talk) 23:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
When was this book published? WHO WAS THE AUTHOR!? This article is massive, but is missing fundimental information! -- 83.67.100.40 22:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Professor Dumbledore's full name is Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore. The Death Eaters captured at the ministry were: Lucius Malfoy, Nott, Jugson, Rodolphus Lestrange, Antonin Dolohov, Crabbe, Rabastan Lestrange, Walden Macnair, Avery, Augustus Rookwood,and Mulciber. Lord Voldemort and Bellatrix Lestrange were also at the Ministry, but they escaped. This list includes most death eaters who we know the names of, though Narcissa Malfoy, Peter Pettigrew, and Goyle are all missing (and likely a few others as well). Bold textCrab ?? book 4 look it up i'm pretty sure its there. User:broncofreak12321
"...Back home, Harry receives an owl letter stating he has been expelled from Hogwarts for performing magic underaged magic." Note the usage of the word "magic" - it is evident that someone had typed "...performing magic" and that someone else had wanted to correct that mistake by typing in "underaged magic", but inadvertently left the first phrase, "performing magic", alone. Since most of my edits have been of this nature so far, I thought I might just highlight this. -- Starry maiden Gazer 14:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the entire detailed plot section from the article. The plot synopsis is sufficiently detailed to give readers a general idea of what the book is about, which is all that we are supposed to do. Wikipedia articles are not a replacement for reading the actual book itself! I can't stress this enough. Newbie editors don't seem to understand this. Please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not if you are unclear about the kinds of articles that are appropriate for Wikipedia. Thanks. ~ MDD 46 96 14:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone has added an entire synopsis from a non-wikipedia source (I am pretty sure). But regardless, There are now two full plot synopses in the synopsis section. I have taken the initiative of deleting the first because it is not original to wikipedia. If anyone disagrees with this, then I have labeled my edition 'large extraneous synopsis deleted' and they can revert it. G.bargsnaffle 17:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
In the translation section "The German translation of this book is 151 pages longer than the English version." Well, OK. But we can't tell from the referenced links if that difference is due to language issues or typesetting. Actually, they come from both, but if the book is typeset in a different way than the other edition it is being compared to (and what would that be? British? American?), knowing the difference in page numbers is completely irrelevant. I was not too bold to remove it, but I think the quoted passage should go. 201.81.246.134 23:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
User 312one keeps on changing the font colour of the title from orange to green and on a more serious note keeps on changing the image from the British version of the book to the American one. I have changed it back twice but soon the three revert rule will be violated. For consistency the British one should be used, which I'm sure is why it was there in teh first place. asyndeton 18:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC) I have now reverted 312one's edits four times. asyndeton 18:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The article is a regurgitation of the plot of order of the phoenix, and has zero notability outside of the book. Judgesurreal777 22:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Lestrange is mentioned in the article as "sirius' godfather. This is a complete fallacy. For a start, she is female, secondly, i believe she is his cousin. i have edited the article accordingly. dodgeman666 23:35, 30 August 2007 (GMT)
dodgeman666 Bellatrix was origanally related to cissy malfoy. Cissy and Bellatrix were origanally Blacks. Bellatrix married Rodolphous Lestrange. So Rodolphous could have been Sirius's godfather. User:broncofreak12321 —Preceding comment was added at 02:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
"Godfather" father as in a guy. User:Dursely
There is no need to have a SPOILER ALERT in the plot summary. The fact that it is a plot summary necessarily implies there are spoilers. I am removing it. Stanselmdoc 23:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
This merge royally sucks. The article on Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix provides just a few sentences worth of information on the subject; furthermore Dumbledore's Army appears and plays a vital role in the seventh book, not just the fifth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5465465 ( talk • contribs) 03:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a small thing I noticed. The word "gurg" redirects to this article but there's no mention of "gurg" across it. Might anyone remove it or am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobbledygookie ( talk • contribs) 09:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Gurg is the title of the leader of the Giants. User:Dursely —Preceding comment was added at 18:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Add a link to the film adaption. -- tjrfs 22:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Where did Cho Chang go? 122.161.21.134 ( talk) 11:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Why doesn't this article has a "Reactions" section, like the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows article? If my memory serves me, the critic wasn't so good with this book as with past books.
A section of this should be added. -- WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 19:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Is it REALLY the longest book? Can anyone give me the number of chapters of every book in the series? Thanks. you're not colorblind, it's colored this way. Or maybe you are. Misteryoshi 22:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm which one is real, and maybe what the wrong one comes from. This edit is the first one to add a US book count, [2] and from my brief look through the history it didn't change until [3] and after that It had stayed there until now [4]. So which one is the right one, and where does the wrong number come from? — chan dler — 21:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Section "Plot", second paragraph, I think some words are missing: (...) and must face a disciplinary hearing. While the expulsion is quickly revoked, the hearing. But sorry, I'm not fluent enough in english to rewrite the sentence ^_^ Pascal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.99.81.218 ( talk) 15:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I see this article is up for a Good Article nomination. I don't have the time to devote properly to it, but I did have some thoughts after a quick browse that might prove helpful in getting the article up to scratch:
Best of luck. GDallimore ( Talk) 22:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
review initiated
In my initial read, I found some awkwardness and redundancy in the plot summary, which I fixed, and I also found some places without the ndash and the nb space thingies, which I added it. Overall, however, the article leaves a very good impression. It is thorough, nicely done, illustrated, and covers the topic.
who is Marietta Edgecombe?
In checking the citations section, I noticed there were several web links that do not have consistent title links. (footnotes 29 and 30) This should be done.
Another issue, before I do the formal assessment: is muggle.net a reliable source? It looks to me like a fan site, which would probably not qualify as a reliable source. ummmm, so convince me, or cite the material from elsewhere...or....?
just a few thoughts....-- Auntieruth55 ( talk) 17:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
This is a very nice article. I have some general and specific comments related to those above.
I have removed this section detailing the background leading up to this book. Anyone who wishes to have this information can read the synopses of the other pages, there is no need to repeat it here. -- Sage1314 ( talk) 12:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Gosh, is it just me, or are the disambiguation links at the top of the article verging on the absurd? I would say in the case of the postcode area or the baseball simulator that those respective disambiguation links could be make into branch articles without cluttering up the top of this article. I would be bold, but it's evidently been through a GA process without it being brought up. Rob ( talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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At present, under how the book was received, we have "Most negative reviewers were concerned with the violence contained in the novel and with morality issues occurring throughout the book" - but this only cites one review by Focus on the Family, which doesn't seem far-reaching enough to make a statement on what "most negative reviews" criticised the book for. If anyone knows of any negative reviews either from the time, or perspectives after its publication that are verifiable, it might be an idea to expand upon this section with some of those. -- Ineffablebookkeeper ( talk) 21:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I was just watching Order and in the early part they are all sitting at the kitchen table. On the wall behind them are China dishes. Dose anyone know if they have the Black family crest on them? Is there a possible close up on the decal on the plates? TYA 108.84.201.95 ( talk) 00:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
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It might be interesting to add information about the fake versions of the book that have circulated on the internet. At least one of them is actually quite long, and almost had me fooled (except for its very racy content, which seemed out of place in a children's book). 168.209.98.35 00:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC) Interesting - but do rumours hava a place in WikiPedia. Should this link to Meta until the book is released or info substantiated ? -- Chris Q 13:25 Dec 10, 2002 (UTC) Yes. -- Tarquin 11:00 Jan 5, 2003 (UTC) I assumed that all of this nonsense will be replaced by actual content once someone who shall remain nameless finishes the book that she has been writing for the past three years. I hope she's working on it and not on wiki articles... -- Dave 03:11 Jan 5, 2003 (PST) "prefect" links to the wrong sort of prefect -- Gcs
If people are going to put info from the book in, such as who dies, could they put in a spoilers notice for people outside of their timezone, at least for a day or two? -- Jim Regan So who did die? Evercat is not reading the books...
Odd thought: why would Amazon expect the USPS to store something until a specific date just because they write it on the package? Is this a service that the USPS provides??? If I write a letter with a notation "Do not deliver until Christmas" on it, should I expect the USPS to hold it till then? Without payment of an extra fee? hmmmm..... --- Someone else 04:32 25 Jun 2003 (UTC)
From the article, placed here in case anyone wants to field these. -- goatasaur 04:26 2 Jul 2003 (UTC) Open questions:
-well...actually, in the third book, Harry saves Petigrew, which creates the unbreakable bond between them...so Petigrew must have decided to back away for a while, seeing as he ows his life to Harry...my guess..(luvhp)
At least five mistakes found in Order of the Phoenix [1] -- Jim Regan 22:44 5 Jul 2003 (UTC)
It was Cedric's death that caused Harry to see the Thestrals because he was old enough to comprehend it, and he was affected by it in a different way than by the death of his parents. When his parents were killed, Harry did not know what was happening, nor did he have memory of it until he dealt with Dementors. However, Cedric died in the Goblet of Fire, and at the end of that book, Harry took the horsless carraige back to Hogsmeade station after Cedric had died, and didn't see the Thestrals. JK Rowlings explaination for this is that Harry was still in shock at that time, and only after months of dwelling on Cedric's death, and accepting the finality of it, did the Thestrals become visible to Harry. Apparently they are only visible to you after you have witnessed and mourned a death. On this note, could it be possible that some people - like Voldemort, who have witnessed many deaths, but have no love in their heart, might not see Thestrals? MM 8.17.05
the only error in the book I spotted was that when Harry and them were cleaning up Grimuald place, he stated that "Snape would have called this cleaning, but harry-" ect. But the book was pointing towards the refernce being more towards Sirius, when Snape had not been mentioned for several pages.
FitcisiousOddwobble
How could Trelawney have know that Snape was evesdropping when she was in the middle of her prophecy trance? Trelawnley should not remember Snape at all! Either Snape heard the whole prophecy, or the prophecy was delivered halfway, Snape interrupted, then Trelawney resumed/repeated from the beginning. See HBP chp 25 seer overheard. Turidoth 00:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
from Trelawney: he one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies...and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not...and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies... Trelawney's article actually mentions this inconsistency. Turidoth 00:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC) Actually we get the story of Snape intruding from Trelawney but the fact that the easdropper was found HALF WAY THROUGH was from Dumbledore. This maybe part of the plot, the difference in stories, so u can't really call it a mistake. Newboy123 23:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure someone posted some of the book to alt.fan.harry-potter a day or so before the official release, it should be findable via google. -- Imran 22:52, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Your information on Vietnamese is out of date. It was published in 22 weekly instalments between 21 July and 15 December 2003.
Hey look! I got on the news! (Cough) Sorry, please ignore that. An external link in the article about the spread of pirated versions of OotP seems to be broken - it leads to the MSNBC main technology news page. If someone who's better at it than me can find the right news bit the link should be corrected - if not, deleted. -- Kizor 12:40, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I removed the review by the Commmunist newsletter from the article, and indeed deleted the whole "Review" section. This is clearly misleading, almost purposefully so, and insinuates that the book promotes Communism or is condoned by the Communist party. - Librarian Brent 03:46, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have removed the baffling jargon "programmatic non-interactive education" and a sentence which was presumably linked with it. I'd be surprised if one person in a hundred years has any idea what this means. If it deserves to be here, which I doubt as this is not an academic journal on educational theory, it needs to be (briefly) explained or else wikilinked to an article which does so. Calsicol 08:00, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
I found this in eeggs.
It says:
Look on page 125 at the bottom. The quote is:
"No, no, I'm sure it's fine," said Mr. Weasley, holding the receiver above his head and peering at the dial. "let's see...six..." he dialed the number, "two...four...and another four...and another two..."
The number they dial is 62442. If you look on a standard telephone, there are letters underneath the numbers. What five-letter word would JK Rowling use for the Ministry? MAGIC! JK Rowling would use the best word for the job, and she did.
Trivia about this MAGIC telephone number. In the UK, the number 084500 62442 is the number to hire a magician from the Magic Circle.
The Magic Circle Headquarters
Further uses for this Easter Egg: If you go to JK Rowling's official web site, (jkrowling.com) there are many interesting facts and articles to read, but there are also some hidden surprises. If you enter the phone number for the ministry of magic - 62442, on the cell phone on the desk and press enter, you will be treated to a rough draft page from Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone that has a never seen before plot line that was abandoned early in the editing process.
Please, folks, feel free to wail on my "synopsis." It's probably about ten times too long, but it's a difficult book to summarize, and I'd rather people have to trim and reword rather than have to pull out the book and look stuff up constantly. Of course, you're welcome to do that too, obviously. [I realise that feeling free to wail on my synopsis is a given on the Wikipedia, but I want to decare a full-on Open Season on it, so to speak.] Phil Bordelon 20:36 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I changed a couple of small things here and there, which you may wish to look over - I'm not sure my changes sit well enough. Brilliant summary—I'm glad I waited to finish the book before even glancing at it! -- Jim Regan 06:14 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
It looks like everyone else who edited the synopsis found only little nitpicks too. I'd say that was an endorsement :) -- Jim Regan 19:19 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Hey I was thinking that perhaps the plot section could be merged into Harry Potter (plot) for the articles of the books. Some of the book articles have more lengthy plot summaries than the plot article, some less lengthy, and I'd like to try and make that more consistent. Any opinions? EvilPhoenix 03:16, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
As I said on the Goblet of Fire talk page, do we need both a plot synopsis and a detailed plot synopsis? People can read the section they need, or all of it. It's a waste of space and duplication at the same time. May I delete the top version and combine the two. Eragon fan ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
Is the synopsis too long? Couldn't it be a bit shorter, more like the H-BP one? It just seems that if somebody wanted a brief overview of the plot, they might be put off by something that would take at least 5 minutes to read. -- Whiteheadj 08:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Some of the things i have left in the short version could also be reduced further, if it is to remain as an introduction to the longer version. On the other hand, if there was an insistence on keeping a short version only, then I do not think it should be shorter than it now is. Some of the other book summaries are too short for long books. Sandpiper
I've removed the following section, as it is unsourced and uncited. If there can be some citation provided for this section, it should go back into the article.
Thanks. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 02:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't the images of covers only be for the English versions of the books since this is the English Wikipedia? I think that the Brazilian cover should be moved to the Portuguese page and the French cover to the French page. - Phi*n!x 01:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Pages for The Gurg and Gurg redirect here, but I can't see any mention. -- Beardo 22:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC) the title Gurg is the Giants leaders title. User:Dursley
In the article it says that it was the curse from Belextrix that killed him, when it was actualy going through the veil that killed him ("His eyes widened in shock", if he was dead his eyes coulden't widen) 58.172.36.4 02:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC) (added by sources unknown) Belextrix killed him by knocking him through the veil Sirius's death is undoubtedly, regretable...and unfortunately, the last member of Harry's family he had left(besides the Dursleys) but whay I dont understand, is why Kreatcher, (house elf) betrayed Sirius, and joined with another wizard family, if in the sixth book, Harry owns Kreatcher, and asks alot of him,you would think we would again, betray his master, but, he doesn't...why is that? And if you've never read the books, Harry thinks that Tonks(another member to the Order of the Pheonix) is in love with Sirius, when really, she loves Lupin....(former Professor) cute, ain't it? (luvhp)
Along the lines of when Bellatrix killed Sirius. Sirius saw the curse coming and couldn't stoop laughing. If you think this is rediculus then ponder on this. A KILLING curse KILLS people on contact. Are you trying to say that Sirius was jumping backwards towards the veil when the curse KILLed him??? User:broncofreak12321 Correct me if im wrong, but didnt he get hit by a torturing curse (i cant spell it sry) which blasted him into the veil? IRCarlos ( talk) 23:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
When was this book published? WHO WAS THE AUTHOR!? This article is massive, but is missing fundimental information! -- 83.67.100.40 22:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Professor Dumbledore's full name is Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore. The Death Eaters captured at the ministry were: Lucius Malfoy, Nott, Jugson, Rodolphus Lestrange, Antonin Dolohov, Crabbe, Rabastan Lestrange, Walden Macnair, Avery, Augustus Rookwood,and Mulciber. Lord Voldemort and Bellatrix Lestrange were also at the Ministry, but they escaped. This list includes most death eaters who we know the names of, though Narcissa Malfoy, Peter Pettigrew, and Goyle are all missing (and likely a few others as well). Bold textCrab ?? book 4 look it up i'm pretty sure its there. User:broncofreak12321
"...Back home, Harry receives an owl letter stating he has been expelled from Hogwarts for performing magic underaged magic." Note the usage of the word "magic" - it is evident that someone had typed "...performing magic" and that someone else had wanted to correct that mistake by typing in "underaged magic", but inadvertently left the first phrase, "performing magic", alone. Since most of my edits have been of this nature so far, I thought I might just highlight this. -- Starry maiden Gazer 14:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the entire detailed plot section from the article. The plot synopsis is sufficiently detailed to give readers a general idea of what the book is about, which is all that we are supposed to do. Wikipedia articles are not a replacement for reading the actual book itself! I can't stress this enough. Newbie editors don't seem to understand this. Please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not if you are unclear about the kinds of articles that are appropriate for Wikipedia. Thanks. ~ MDD 46 96 14:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone has added an entire synopsis from a non-wikipedia source (I am pretty sure). But regardless, There are now two full plot synopses in the synopsis section. I have taken the initiative of deleting the first because it is not original to wikipedia. If anyone disagrees with this, then I have labeled my edition 'large extraneous synopsis deleted' and they can revert it. G.bargsnaffle 17:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
In the translation section "The German translation of this book is 151 pages longer than the English version." Well, OK. But we can't tell from the referenced links if that difference is due to language issues or typesetting. Actually, they come from both, but if the book is typeset in a different way than the other edition it is being compared to (and what would that be? British? American?), knowing the difference in page numbers is completely irrelevant. I was not too bold to remove it, but I think the quoted passage should go. 201.81.246.134 23:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
User 312one keeps on changing the font colour of the title from orange to green and on a more serious note keeps on changing the image from the British version of the book to the American one. I have changed it back twice but soon the three revert rule will be violated. For consistency the British one should be used, which I'm sure is why it was there in teh first place. asyndeton 18:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC) I have now reverted 312one's edits four times. asyndeton 18:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The article is a regurgitation of the plot of order of the phoenix, and has zero notability outside of the book. Judgesurreal777 22:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Lestrange is mentioned in the article as "sirius' godfather. This is a complete fallacy. For a start, she is female, secondly, i believe she is his cousin. i have edited the article accordingly. dodgeman666 23:35, 30 August 2007 (GMT)
dodgeman666 Bellatrix was origanally related to cissy malfoy. Cissy and Bellatrix were origanally Blacks. Bellatrix married Rodolphous Lestrange. So Rodolphous could have been Sirius's godfather. User:broncofreak12321 —Preceding comment was added at 02:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
"Godfather" father as in a guy. User:Dursely
There is no need to have a SPOILER ALERT in the plot summary. The fact that it is a plot summary necessarily implies there are spoilers. I am removing it. Stanselmdoc 23:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
This merge royally sucks. The article on Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix provides just a few sentences worth of information on the subject; furthermore Dumbledore's Army appears and plays a vital role in the seventh book, not just the fifth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5465465 ( talk • contribs) 03:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a small thing I noticed. The word "gurg" redirects to this article but there's no mention of "gurg" across it. Might anyone remove it or am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobbledygookie ( talk • contribs) 09:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Gurg is the title of the leader of the Giants. User:Dursely —Preceding comment was added at 18:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Add a link to the film adaption. -- tjrfs 22:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Where did Cho Chang go? 122.161.21.134 ( talk) 11:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Why doesn't this article has a "Reactions" section, like the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows article? If my memory serves me, the critic wasn't so good with this book as with past books.
A section of this should be added. -- WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 19:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Is it REALLY the longest book? Can anyone give me the number of chapters of every book in the series? Thanks. you're not colorblind, it's colored this way. Or maybe you are. Misteryoshi 22:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm which one is real, and maybe what the wrong one comes from. This edit is the first one to add a US book count, [2] and from my brief look through the history it didn't change until [3] and after that It had stayed there until now [4]. So which one is the right one, and where does the wrong number come from? — chan dler — 21:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Section "Plot", second paragraph, I think some words are missing: (...) and must face a disciplinary hearing. While the expulsion is quickly revoked, the hearing. But sorry, I'm not fluent enough in english to rewrite the sentence ^_^ Pascal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.99.81.218 ( talk) 15:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I see this article is up for a Good Article nomination. I don't have the time to devote properly to it, but I did have some thoughts after a quick browse that might prove helpful in getting the article up to scratch:
Best of luck. GDallimore ( Talk) 22:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
review initiated
In my initial read, I found some awkwardness and redundancy in the plot summary, which I fixed, and I also found some places without the ndash and the nb space thingies, which I added it. Overall, however, the article leaves a very good impression. It is thorough, nicely done, illustrated, and covers the topic.
who is Marietta Edgecombe?
In checking the citations section, I noticed there were several web links that do not have consistent title links. (footnotes 29 and 30) This should be done.
Another issue, before I do the formal assessment: is muggle.net a reliable source? It looks to me like a fan site, which would probably not qualify as a reliable source. ummmm, so convince me, or cite the material from elsewhere...or....?
just a few thoughts....-- Auntieruth55 ( talk) 17:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
This is a very nice article. I have some general and specific comments related to those above.
I have removed this section detailing the background leading up to this book. Anyone who wishes to have this information can read the synopses of the other pages, there is no need to repeat it here. -- Sage1314 ( talk) 12:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Gosh, is it just me, or are the disambiguation links at the top of the article verging on the absurd? I would say in the case of the postcode area or the baseball simulator that those respective disambiguation links could be make into branch articles without cluttering up the top of this article. I would be bold, but it's evidently been through a GA process without it being brought up. Rob ( talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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At present, under how the book was received, we have "Most negative reviewers were concerned with the violence contained in the novel and with morality issues occurring throughout the book" - but this only cites one review by Focus on the Family, which doesn't seem far-reaching enough to make a statement on what "most negative reviews" criticised the book for. If anyone knows of any negative reviews either from the time, or perspectives after its publication that are verifiable, it might be an idea to expand upon this section with some of those. -- Ineffablebookkeeper ( talk) 21:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
I was just watching Order and in the early part they are all sitting at the kitchen table. On the wall behind them are China dishes. Dose anyone know if they have the Black family crest on them? Is there a possible close up on the decal on the plates? TYA 108.84.201.95 ( talk) 00:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)