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Shouldn't this page be titled "Han Fei"? Han Feizi was the name of the book which Han Fei wrote, which contained the Legalist ideas. I might be wrong, though, I just learned this in school.
Yeah, this person is right. Why didn't you guys catch that? jettofabulo
actually, the ending "zi" in these names means master, like, master han fei, thats why confucius' real name is kongzi, master kong. all the philosophers names end that way.
I have moved Han Feizi into Han Fei. 'zi' (子) can mean master, but in this case it indicates that it is a book written by Han Fei.
Actually, Han Feizi correctly referrs to both the book and the thinker himself. However, it is often the case that in English, writers use Han Fei to refer to the author and Han Feizi to the book for the sake of clarity. Initially, of course, Han Feizi was referred to in the Chinese literature as Hanzi. The "Fei" was added to distinguish him from another author, who is known as "Hanzi".
"Han Fei was persecuted by Li Si and committed suicide in prison." -It is my understanding that Li Si murdered Han Fei. Please verify this information. ("A Brief History of Chinese and Japanese Civilizations." 3rd Edition. pg 46.)
I happened to be reading this annotated translation of the Thousand Character Classic and it mentions that Han Fei "was wrongly accused by enemies and, ironically, died during harsh punishment under his own retributive code."
Is this generally believed, or a commonly-circulated story about him? If so, it should be mentioned here. -- Saforrest ( talk) 17:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
At least it is what the only relatively reliable source of the time says, so it should be in the article. -- 93.217.220.237 ( talk) 12:32, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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A banner at the top of the page said that there is an issue with the neutrality of the page. I wrote this page less than other Legalist pages. But talk to me about this and I will try and fix it. FourLights ( talk) 20:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I think the issue was Tran Ngoc Vuong saying that Han Fei is superior to Machiavelli. This is held to be the case even among many westerners. It is fine to state his opinion. FourLights ( talk) 20:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Han Fei Zi is a million times better than Niccolò Machiavelli, who was just uttering gibberish. It's like comparing trash can with a can of gold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.222.81.151 ( talk) 21:40, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
A while ago I noted that the current picture illustrating this article is not, as the uploader claims, from the Warring States, but likely from the late 20th or even early 21st centuries. I see that the picture is still here on wikipedia, despite it not likely to be an out-of-copyright work. My suggestion is that this picture should be removed unless proof that it's out of copyright can be obtained. Retinalsummer ( talk) 23:27, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
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To avoid going back and forth in the edits, I thought it'd be better to clear this issue up here first. The lead currently says "Zhuge Liang is said to have attached great importance to the Han Feizi, as well as Shen Buhai." Firstly, "is said to" are weasel words. Is the claim accurate or not? If not, it should be removed from the lead. Secondly, the claim is poorly sourced. The (very good) Pines Stanford article only mentions that Zhuge Liang liked Legalism and says nothing about Zhuge Liang and Han Fei specifically. The other source (China in Search of a Harmonious Society) is a book about modern China and is not an appropriate source for a figure from nearly 2,000 years ago. I'd be happy to see something about Zhuge Liang and Han Fei in the lead, but this all needs to be cleaned up. Retinalsummer ( talk) 20:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Removed per WP:NOTDICTIONARY. I get that the impulse is to tell people that pronouncing the name like Han Solo is "wrong", but it isn't. It's just English in the same way that yin-yang sounds different in any actualAt Chinese dialect. If a pronunciation were included, it needs to include both common pronunciations per WP:FRINGE, WP:BIAS, WP:READER, &c. At that point, there's no reason to include it at all, since there's only those two ways any person able to read the English in the rest of the page would pronounce it. Listing them and going into why we prefer one ("more authentic") to the other would involve extensive discussion that would be WP:UNDUE in the WP:LEADSENTENCE.
Shorter version: It's fine to reinclude this but it would have to give the full name, it would have to include /hæn.fei/ as a perfectly common alt English pronunciation, and it's so extraneous at that point that it belongs in the #Name section and not the lead. Remember we have the infobox to link directly to extensive coverage of the correct Chinese forms for anyone who really wants it. — LlywelynII 06:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
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Shouldn't this page be titled "Han Fei"? Han Feizi was the name of the book which Han Fei wrote, which contained the Legalist ideas. I might be wrong, though, I just learned this in school.
Yeah, this person is right. Why didn't you guys catch that? jettofabulo
actually, the ending "zi" in these names means master, like, master han fei, thats why confucius' real name is kongzi, master kong. all the philosophers names end that way.
I have moved Han Feizi into Han Fei. 'zi' (子) can mean master, but in this case it indicates that it is a book written by Han Fei.
Actually, Han Feizi correctly referrs to both the book and the thinker himself. However, it is often the case that in English, writers use Han Fei to refer to the author and Han Feizi to the book for the sake of clarity. Initially, of course, Han Feizi was referred to in the Chinese literature as Hanzi. The "Fei" was added to distinguish him from another author, who is known as "Hanzi".
"Han Fei was persecuted by Li Si and committed suicide in prison." -It is my understanding that Li Si murdered Han Fei. Please verify this information. ("A Brief History of Chinese and Japanese Civilizations." 3rd Edition. pg 46.)
I happened to be reading this annotated translation of the Thousand Character Classic and it mentions that Han Fei "was wrongly accused by enemies and, ironically, died during harsh punishment under his own retributive code."
Is this generally believed, or a commonly-circulated story about him? If so, it should be mentioned here. -- Saforrest ( talk) 17:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
At least it is what the only relatively reliable source of the time says, so it should be in the article. -- 93.217.220.237 ( talk) 12:32, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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A banner at the top of the page said that there is an issue with the neutrality of the page. I wrote this page less than other Legalist pages. But talk to me about this and I will try and fix it. FourLights ( talk) 20:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I think the issue was Tran Ngoc Vuong saying that Han Fei is superior to Machiavelli. This is held to be the case even among many westerners. It is fine to state his opinion. FourLights ( talk) 20:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Han Fei Zi is a million times better than Niccolò Machiavelli, who was just uttering gibberish. It's like comparing trash can with a can of gold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.222.81.151 ( talk) 21:40, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
A while ago I noted that the current picture illustrating this article is not, as the uploader claims, from the Warring States, but likely from the late 20th or even early 21st centuries. I see that the picture is still here on wikipedia, despite it not likely to be an out-of-copyright work. My suggestion is that this picture should be removed unless proof that it's out of copyright can be obtained. Retinalsummer ( talk) 23:27, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 18:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
To avoid going back and forth in the edits, I thought it'd be better to clear this issue up here first. The lead currently says "Zhuge Liang is said to have attached great importance to the Han Feizi, as well as Shen Buhai." Firstly, "is said to" are weasel words. Is the claim accurate or not? If not, it should be removed from the lead. Secondly, the claim is poorly sourced. The (very good) Pines Stanford article only mentions that Zhuge Liang liked Legalism and says nothing about Zhuge Liang and Han Fei specifically. The other source (China in Search of a Harmonious Society) is a book about modern China and is not an appropriate source for a figure from nearly 2,000 years ago. I'd be happy to see something about Zhuge Liang and Han Fei in the lead, but this all needs to be cleaned up. Retinalsummer ( talk) 20:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Removed per WP:NOTDICTIONARY. I get that the impulse is to tell people that pronouncing the name like Han Solo is "wrong", but it isn't. It's just English in the same way that yin-yang sounds different in any actualAt Chinese dialect. If a pronunciation were included, it needs to include both common pronunciations per WP:FRINGE, WP:BIAS, WP:READER, &c. At that point, there's no reason to include it at all, since there's only those two ways any person able to read the English in the rest of the page would pronounce it. Listing them and going into why we prefer one ("more authentic") to the other would involve extensive discussion that would be WP:UNDUE in the WP:LEADSENTENCE.
Shorter version: It's fine to reinclude this but it would have to give the full name, it would have to include /hæn.fei/ as a perfectly common alt English pronunciation, and it's so extraneous at that point that it belongs in the #Name section and not the lead. Remember we have the infobox to link directly to extensive coverage of the correct Chinese forms for anyone who really wants it. — LlywelynII 06:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)