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I started taking interest in this cute figure Gudea after I started attending a course in sculpture in London. I was attracted to his picture in one of the books which our instructor displayed on her desk. Since then I have been hooked and I bought a stone and started chisling away in an ambitious attempt to replicate one of the statues which depict him. I have a desire to read everything available about Gudea and Lagash. Maher Othman
If Statue E really is a standing sculpture, it's impossible that this is the "Architect with the Plan"-Statue, because Gudea is there sitting. Kenwilliams 12:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I have added a significant amount to this article and will proceed to wikify it and make sure it is in keeping. I also plan to split off the article on statues, as I think it is better suited as a stand-alone article. If anyone has any objections or suggestions, please let me know (Help, of course, is always welcome). Thanks. Elijahmeeks 00:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
In the article you can read a lot of times exact dates (for the year). But this isn't possible exactly to say, because it's not possible with the actuel stand of the science to reconstruct the cronology so exact. So I also delete the Year-of-Death-Category. Kenwilliams 13:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
On September 22, 2007, I removed the following paragraph from the end of the article because it is unclear just which period of time it is talking about.
This paragraph doesn't seem to appropriately follow the death of Gudea (2124 BCE), where it is placed, but rather the earlier death of Sargon (2279 BCE). Thus it seems to be sort of a confusing flashback of uncertain relevance to the article. Indeed, it seems like it would be more appropriate for inclusion in some other article.
I invite its author, or anyone else, to repost it where it should best go, adding appropriate clarifications as to dates under discussion and relevance. Fredwords 22:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Ur-Ningirsu is stated in this article as the successor and son of Gudea, as well as a ruler whose reign pre-dates that of Gudea. My understanding is that Ur-Ningirsu is Gudea's son. If there was another ruler by the same name, then that needs to be clarified. 128.42.158.152 ( talk) 20:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
just thought his name sounded like gutii or kurdia 213.106.124.3 ( talk) 22:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Gudea is a very Sumerian name .. it is GU DE.A, which means something in the sense of "being called upon" [by the gods to rule over Lagash]. Literally, GU DE means "to pour a voice", which is a Sumerian way to express notion related to speaking, calling, ... So no he definitely was NOT a Kurd, nor Gutian. I know you can find some weird theories online about Kurds, but the Kurdish people did not even exist 4000 years ago. Kurdish is closely related to Persian, and therefore an Indo-European language which only came into the region late in the second millennium BC. As much as I appreciate and value Kurdish culture (which I really do!), unfortunately some of them are being very active in constructing nationalists dogma's and attempting to put a claim on all heritage and history of the Middle East, just like many other groups and individuals in the region. Srenette ( talk) 16:38, 21 February 2011 (UTC)srenette
Hi, According to my documents, the statue of Gudea is exhibited at The Metropolitan of New York and not the Paris Louvre. please see: The Metropolitan Museum of Art Guide. p. 27, ancient near eastern art. 2011. Distributed by Yale University Press, New Haven and London.
I did not edit the photo because it is possible that there are two statues. The author of the article may check, although I doubt.
Abdelouadoud El Omrani — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.208.136.31 ( talk) 07:12, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Could someone reword this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jahelistbro ( talk • contribs) 23:30, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
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In the "Later Influence" section it is claimed Gudea "was one of the first rulers to claim divinity for himself, or have it claimed for him after his death." However, in the "Inscriptions" section it emphasizes that he specifically didn't claim to be a god and gave himself a weaker title than would be expected. Other articles such as Akkadian Empire claim that the earlier Akkadian beliefs generally considered kings to be gods even when alive, making him fairly far from one of the first Mesopotamian rulers to be considered gods even only allowing posthumous claims. Can more clarifications/sources be provided? Deep Gabriel ( talk) 15:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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I started taking interest in this cute figure Gudea after I started attending a course in sculpture in London. I was attracted to his picture in one of the books which our instructor displayed on her desk. Since then I have been hooked and I bought a stone and started chisling away in an ambitious attempt to replicate one of the statues which depict him. I have a desire to read everything available about Gudea and Lagash. Maher Othman
If Statue E really is a standing sculpture, it's impossible that this is the "Architect with the Plan"-Statue, because Gudea is there sitting. Kenwilliams 12:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I have added a significant amount to this article and will proceed to wikify it and make sure it is in keeping. I also plan to split off the article on statues, as I think it is better suited as a stand-alone article. If anyone has any objections or suggestions, please let me know (Help, of course, is always welcome). Thanks. Elijahmeeks 00:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
In the article you can read a lot of times exact dates (for the year). But this isn't possible exactly to say, because it's not possible with the actuel stand of the science to reconstruct the cronology so exact. So I also delete the Year-of-Death-Category. Kenwilliams 13:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
On September 22, 2007, I removed the following paragraph from the end of the article because it is unclear just which period of time it is talking about.
This paragraph doesn't seem to appropriately follow the death of Gudea (2124 BCE), where it is placed, but rather the earlier death of Sargon (2279 BCE). Thus it seems to be sort of a confusing flashback of uncertain relevance to the article. Indeed, it seems like it would be more appropriate for inclusion in some other article.
I invite its author, or anyone else, to repost it where it should best go, adding appropriate clarifications as to dates under discussion and relevance. Fredwords 22:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Ur-Ningirsu is stated in this article as the successor and son of Gudea, as well as a ruler whose reign pre-dates that of Gudea. My understanding is that Ur-Ningirsu is Gudea's son. If there was another ruler by the same name, then that needs to be clarified. 128.42.158.152 ( talk) 20:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
just thought his name sounded like gutii or kurdia 213.106.124.3 ( talk) 22:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Gudea is a very Sumerian name .. it is GU DE.A, which means something in the sense of "being called upon" [by the gods to rule over Lagash]. Literally, GU DE means "to pour a voice", which is a Sumerian way to express notion related to speaking, calling, ... So no he definitely was NOT a Kurd, nor Gutian. I know you can find some weird theories online about Kurds, but the Kurdish people did not even exist 4000 years ago. Kurdish is closely related to Persian, and therefore an Indo-European language which only came into the region late in the second millennium BC. As much as I appreciate and value Kurdish culture (which I really do!), unfortunately some of them are being very active in constructing nationalists dogma's and attempting to put a claim on all heritage and history of the Middle East, just like many other groups and individuals in the region. Srenette ( talk) 16:38, 21 February 2011 (UTC)srenette
Hi, According to my documents, the statue of Gudea is exhibited at The Metropolitan of New York and not the Paris Louvre. please see: The Metropolitan Museum of Art Guide. p. 27, ancient near eastern art. 2011. Distributed by Yale University Press, New Haven and London.
I did not edit the photo because it is possible that there are two statues. The author of the article may check, although I doubt.
Abdelouadoud El Omrani — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.208.136.31 ( talk) 07:12, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Could someone reword this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jahelistbro ( talk • contribs) 23:30, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
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In the "Later Influence" section it is claimed Gudea "was one of the first rulers to claim divinity for himself, or have it claimed for him after his death." However, in the "Inscriptions" section it emphasizes that he specifically didn't claim to be a god and gave himself a weaker title than would be expected. Other articles such as Akkadian Empire claim that the earlier Akkadian beliefs generally considered kings to be gods even when alive, making him fairly far from one of the first Mesopotamian rulers to be considered gods even only allowing posthumous claims. Can more clarifications/sources be provided? Deep Gabriel ( talk) 15:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)