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The article says that the term 'ground' is not used outside north america. This surely means that the title of the article should not be 'ground meat' and instead should be 'minced meat', as per the most common use. Xeolyte ( talk) 22:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. The most common international usage is "mince".
EuroSong
talk 09:23, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Au contraire, the Oxford English Dictionary (draft revision, 2008) notes that minced meat is "now chiefly Brit[ish]". I would venture to say most people in North America would not know what minced meat is.
Strad (
talk) 18:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- So I'll add a redirect.
Xeolyte (
talk) 21:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
- We effectively already have a disambiguation at minced meat pointing to ground meat. I don't think there's anything more to be done, unless we want minced meat to go directly to ground meat (in which case we should put a note on the top about possible confusion with mincemeat). Strad ( talk) 04:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- No, I agree too. A phrase being "chiefly British" and North Americans not being too familiar with it should not automatically relegate it to second place. Plus there are plenty of English-speaking countries that are neither in Britain nor in North America. What about them? I would imagine North America is the only place where "ground meat" is used. North American usage is *not* automatically common usage. Tomalak Geret'kal ( talk) 20:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- So I'll add a redirect.
Xeolyte (
talk) 21:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
- Au contraire, the Oxford English Dictionary (draft revision, 2008) notes that minced meat is "now chiefly Brit[ish]". I would venture to say most people in North America would not know what minced meat is.
Strad (
talk) 18:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
What a strange article. Half of it is about safety, implying that you eat it at your peril. Good old mince, sheesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.186.123 ( talk) 23:19, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I'd like to add the following text about recent United States National Research Council report on ground beef safety:
To ensure the safety of food distributed through the National School Lunch Program, food banks, and other federal food and nutrition programs, the United States Department of Agriculture has established food safety and quality requirements for the ground beef it purchases. A 2010 National Research Council report reviewed the scientific basis of the Department’s ground beef safety standards, evaluated how the standards compare to those used by large retail and commercial food service purchasers of ground beef, and looked at ways to establish periodic evaluations of the Federal Purchase Ground Beef Program [1]. The report found that although the safety requirements could be strengthened using scientific concepts, the prevention of future outbreaks of foodborne disease will depend on eliminating contamination during production and ensuring meat is properly cooked before it is served. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earlgrey101 ( talk • contribs) 17:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Oh for goodness sake, the inclusion of this language and the long food safety section has made this an article about food safety rather than one about the uses of ground meat (or minced meat, for our transatlantic cousins). This is all part of the same over-cautiousness and butt-covering fear of liability that now won't allow anyone to get a basic medium rare cheeseburger (perhaps the single most delicious use of ground meat) in many states. And, to top it off, the problem isn't ground beef itself (since people have been eating delicious bloody rare burgers for a very long time in relative safety), it's the shoddy, careless, cost-cutting and extra-profit-creating way in which our meat-industry-captured government "regulators" allow it to be handled. Mingusal ( talk) 18:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Proposed merge of keema into ground meat
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- Support merge. Keema is simply the name in several South Asian languages for what is known in the English-speaking world as ground meat or mince. It probably deserves its own section, because of the different culinary traditions. Narky Blert ( talk) 10:34, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Strong support Kıyma or keema are just the words for ground meat in different languages. It would be like having an article soğan is the Turkish word for onion. With food articles, I think we have to draw the line at creating articles for the names of ingredients in different languages. Seraphim System ( talk) 19:03, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
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The article says that the term 'ground' is not used outside north america. This surely means that the title of the article should not be 'ground meat' and instead should be 'minced meat', as per the most common use. Xeolyte ( talk) 22:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. The most common international usage is "mince".
EuroSong
talk 09:23, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Au contraire, the Oxford English Dictionary (draft revision, 2008) notes that minced meat is "now chiefly Brit[ish]". I would venture to say most people in North America would not know what minced meat is.
Strad (
talk) 18:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- So I'll add a redirect.
Xeolyte (
talk) 21:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
- We effectively already have a disambiguation at minced meat pointing to ground meat. I don't think there's anything more to be done, unless we want minced meat to go directly to ground meat (in which case we should put a note on the top about possible confusion with mincemeat). Strad ( talk) 04:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- No, I agree too. A phrase being "chiefly British" and North Americans not being too familiar with it should not automatically relegate it to second place. Plus there are plenty of English-speaking countries that are neither in Britain nor in North America. What about them? I would imagine North America is the only place where "ground meat" is used. North American usage is *not* automatically common usage. Tomalak Geret'kal ( talk) 20:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- So I'll add a redirect.
Xeolyte (
talk) 21:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
- Au contraire, the Oxford English Dictionary (draft revision, 2008) notes that minced meat is "now chiefly Brit[ish]". I would venture to say most people in North America would not know what minced meat is.
Strad (
talk) 18:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
What a strange article. Half of it is about safety, implying that you eat it at your peril. Good old mince, sheesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.186.123 ( talk) 23:19, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I'd like to add the following text about recent United States National Research Council report on ground beef safety:
To ensure the safety of food distributed through the National School Lunch Program, food banks, and other federal food and nutrition programs, the United States Department of Agriculture has established food safety and quality requirements for the ground beef it purchases. A 2010 National Research Council report reviewed the scientific basis of the Department’s ground beef safety standards, evaluated how the standards compare to those used by large retail and commercial food service purchasers of ground beef, and looked at ways to establish periodic evaluations of the Federal Purchase Ground Beef Program [1]. The report found that although the safety requirements could be strengthened using scientific concepts, the prevention of future outbreaks of foodborne disease will depend on eliminating contamination during production and ensuring meat is properly cooked before it is served. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earlgrey101 ( talk • contribs) 17:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Oh for goodness sake, the inclusion of this language and the long food safety section has made this an article about food safety rather than one about the uses of ground meat (or minced meat, for our transatlantic cousins). This is all part of the same over-cautiousness and butt-covering fear of liability that now won't allow anyone to get a basic medium rare cheeseburger (perhaps the single most delicious use of ground meat) in many states. And, to top it off, the problem isn't ground beef itself (since people have been eating delicious bloody rare burgers for a very long time in relative safety), it's the shoddy, careless, cost-cutting and extra-profit-creating way in which our meat-industry-captured government "regulators" allow it to be handled. Mingusal ( talk) 18:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Proposed merge of keema into ground meat
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- Support merge. Keema is simply the name in several South Asian languages for what is known in the English-speaking world as ground meat or mince. It probably deserves its own section, because of the different culinary traditions. Narky Blert ( talk) 10:34, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Strong support Kıyma or keema are just the words for ground meat in different languages. It would be like having an article soğan is the Turkish word for onion. With food articles, I think we have to draw the line at creating articles for the names of ingredients in different languages. Seraphim System ( talk) 19:03, 18 July 2018 (UTC)