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A while ago I added a 600 byte footnote to point out that the meme of On Her Majesty's Secret Service being a flop, is pure myth. Someone has since expanded this footnote to 4 kB and it looks terrible. In fact in this footnote there is now more text -- about movie finance -- than there is bio information on Lazenby in the whole article. The effort is admirable, but this sort of detailed information doesn't really belong in a "footnote" in an article focussing on Lazenby's bio. It should be moved to a subsection of the On Her Majesty's Secret Service article itself, and perhaps referenced from here. -- Securiger 08:27 UTC, 3 October 2005
It should also be mentioned that he starred in one of the BBC's classic Play For Today series, The Operation, in 1973. Whatever Lazenby's shortcomings as an actor, at least this represented a proper dramatic role, as did Sean Connery's pre-Bond appearances on TV in Shakespeare and contemporary plays -- unlike Roger Moore, whose TV work consists entirely of escapist nonsense, most of it aimed at America anyway. Dolmance ( talk) 20:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I thought the main problem with Lazenby was that the viewing public weren't ready at the time (1969) to accept anyone other than Sean Connery playing the role. IMO his was far from being the worst Bond.
Meltingpot ( talk) 13:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree. He was far better than Brosnan. ( 92.12.16.106 ( talk) 13:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC))
I have seen references (I don't remember where) that Lazenby comes closest to Fleming's conception of the character. Having seen IHMSS, I'm inclined to agree. Lazenby's laconic, rather bloodless performance indeed does mirror Bond as found in the novels. Alloco1 ( talk) 01:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
How is his last name pronounced? I thought it was like the "laz" in "Lazarus", but some media people (not necessarily the best source for pronunciations) are pronouncing it similarly to "laser". Hu 02:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Clarification needed for this paradox:
"Lazenby's Hong Kong martial arts action films were very successful financially but without Lee the films did not have much commercial impact."
What is the difference between financial success and commercial impact? What in fact does "commercial impact" even mean, if it means something other than making lots of money? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.62.47 ( talk) 01:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I see that User:Nightscream has repeatedly removed addition of date and place of birth per WP:BLP and WP:V. This is indeed very prudent if it was about something more complicated or controversial, but I don't see the point of this deletion zeal in this case. For example, since when is IMDB considered a wholly unreliable about these things? I tried to do some searches, but couldn't find anything that could be deemed more reliable. But neither did I find any conflicting information. All sources seem to say the same thing: Queanbeyan, New South Wales, 5 September 1939.
I'm at a loss as to why this situation merits a rather one-sided revert war (and article protection). WP:BLP is intended to avoid damaging and controversial information from sneaking articles, and this is clearly neither damaging nor controversial. Peter Isotalo 21:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I moved the following passage here, as per the discussion on Jimmy Wales' Talk Page, until it can be better sourced. The only two sources it cites are another wiki, and imdb, neither of which Wikipedia considers reliable sources. Nightscream ( talk) 15:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
SPACKlick ( talk) 16:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
SPACKlick ( talk) 16:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
If the sources support all of the specific assertions in the passage in question, then sure, as long as those sources are explicitly included in the text, as per WP:CS. Nightscream ( talk) 00:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
New messages go at the bottom of a section, not the top. As for breaking the fourth wall, that refers specifically to a character facing the camera and talking to the audience, not music. Nightscream ( talk) 15:23, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about putting it at the top, haven't done this before. If we are saying only directly addressing the audience counts as breaking the fourth wall then the reference to Sean Connery winking at the audience in Never Say Never Again is incorrect. Also in the Wikipedia article for the film Octopussy it refers to the music scene I mentioned as breaking the fourth wall, so it would make that incorrect. 94.2.185.247 ( talk) 21:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
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The article mentions a "garlic" incident between Lazenby and Diana Rigg, and mentions their claims that it was just a rumour, but doesn't give any details about what the incident actually (supposedly) was. Goodbye Galaxy 18:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodbye Galaxy ( talk • contribs)
This is wrong and has also been removed from OHMSS in this edit. The fact that some sources say it does not make it true. Lazenby is not looking at the camera and merely speaks the line to himself. Unfortunately, a myth has grown up around this, and Wikipedia should not be repeating it.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 04:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Lazenby's line is similar to Jack Sparrow's line in Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides: "Did everyone see that? Because I will NOT be doing it again!" [3] This could be seen as addressing the audience, but Sparrow does not look at the camera and allows the audience to see the joke.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Is it Goulburn or Queanbeyan? Tarskov ( talk) 15:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
In his public speaking appearances Mr Lazenby is emphatic that OHMSS was his first motion picture experience. What evidence besides some IMDB comments link him to that film? Foofbun ( talk) 05:34, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Is this twitter account for real? [twitter.com/georgelazenby] Can someone authenticate the Twitter account georgelazenby Mang ( talk) 04:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
I correct a few factual errors in the article. It seems Nightscream missed those despite his numerous edits to the article. Oddly they reverted me, but didn't actually supply references for their versions (AWW is there, but contradicts the spelling in the article and the infobox). In any case, I added {{ citation needed}} to statements that seem incorrect. Agt.007 ( talk) 17:49, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Q9OFx2nEw
Lazenby stated that in this talk radio interview from Australia he stated that he was black listed, with two exceptions, for years after OHMSSS.
The reasons were: he had Rohnan O'Rhailly as an agent. He refused to sign a contract. He wore hippie type clothes, wore his hair long and raised a beard . . .
Should this be stated in the article???
Contemporaneous interview from that period: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8YJ4V4xqpU User:JCHeverly 18:38, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Sourced text was removed by IP, the source itself is quite vague so here are some others Student Newspaper tvguide.com Durham Times referring to a guide book which also makes the claim. Same paper, different article, same guide book
I'm sure there are some more in print at the university itself. SPACKlick ( talk) 14:27, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
The above sources are just student journalists copying stuff from Wikipedia (it was added to the college wikipedia page by an IP in 2010 and has been snowballing 2nd-hand sources since then). October 1968 to May 1969 he was filming OHMSS. In the 1969-1970 academic year he was described as preferring life as a car salesman and wanting to go to Los Angeles to look for roles http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107908281 about to star in a Western http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/131680428, going on TV shows with the Beatles on 7 February 1970 in London. In the 1970-1971 he made universal soldier. So at what point are we saying this hippy actor decided to study Drama at a Church of England Teacher Training college then? It's also worth mentioning that the same college's Wikipedians also claim Roger Moore studied there, even though that was denied by Moore himself. Wouldn't it have been written about at the time if it was actually true? 88.212.36.193 ( talk) 13:16, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:George Lazenby/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Needs better referencing. I don't think the salary section is appropriate, there must be a better way of summing up his film career.-- Grahamec 10:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 10:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 16:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
This section is looking really bad. It feels like an endless series of quotes. It also lacks a reference to one of the most compelling reasons Lazenby has cited over the years for his departure from the series, the changing attitudes he saw in 60s counterculture which he thought would make Bond obsolete. As he told The Guardian: "I had advice that James Bond was over anyway. ...Being in the 60s, it was love, not war. You know, hippy time". [1]
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I don't understand why this picture is here... it was "used by" Lazenby? I'm suspecting this is a joke or vandalism, but I apologize if I'm wrong. PurpleChez ( talk) 15:40, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Ianmacm:, Nightscream, A belated comment: The above discussion ( s) refer to Lazenby’s line "this never happened to the other fellow" as not breaking the fourth wall, because he wasn’t looking directly at the camera. Just to clarify, breaking the fourth wall can be done through 'directly referring to the audience, the play as a play, or the characters' fictionality'. The line is a reference to Connery in the role of Bond, so it is a reference to the character’s fictionality, is it not? Swanny18 ( talk) 08:58, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
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A while ago I added a 600 byte footnote to point out that the meme of On Her Majesty's Secret Service being a flop, is pure myth. Someone has since expanded this footnote to 4 kB and it looks terrible. In fact in this footnote there is now more text -- about movie finance -- than there is bio information on Lazenby in the whole article. The effort is admirable, but this sort of detailed information doesn't really belong in a "footnote" in an article focussing on Lazenby's bio. It should be moved to a subsection of the On Her Majesty's Secret Service article itself, and perhaps referenced from here. -- Securiger 08:27 UTC, 3 October 2005
It should also be mentioned that he starred in one of the BBC's classic Play For Today series, The Operation, in 1973. Whatever Lazenby's shortcomings as an actor, at least this represented a proper dramatic role, as did Sean Connery's pre-Bond appearances on TV in Shakespeare and contemporary plays -- unlike Roger Moore, whose TV work consists entirely of escapist nonsense, most of it aimed at America anyway. Dolmance ( talk) 20:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I thought the main problem with Lazenby was that the viewing public weren't ready at the time (1969) to accept anyone other than Sean Connery playing the role. IMO his was far from being the worst Bond.
Meltingpot ( talk) 13:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree. He was far better than Brosnan. ( 92.12.16.106 ( talk) 13:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC))
I have seen references (I don't remember where) that Lazenby comes closest to Fleming's conception of the character. Having seen IHMSS, I'm inclined to agree. Lazenby's laconic, rather bloodless performance indeed does mirror Bond as found in the novels. Alloco1 ( talk) 01:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
How is his last name pronounced? I thought it was like the "laz" in "Lazarus", but some media people (not necessarily the best source for pronunciations) are pronouncing it similarly to "laser". Hu 02:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Clarification needed for this paradox:
"Lazenby's Hong Kong martial arts action films were very successful financially but without Lee the films did not have much commercial impact."
What is the difference between financial success and commercial impact? What in fact does "commercial impact" even mean, if it means something other than making lots of money? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.62.47 ( talk) 01:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I see that User:Nightscream has repeatedly removed addition of date and place of birth per WP:BLP and WP:V. This is indeed very prudent if it was about something more complicated or controversial, but I don't see the point of this deletion zeal in this case. For example, since when is IMDB considered a wholly unreliable about these things? I tried to do some searches, but couldn't find anything that could be deemed more reliable. But neither did I find any conflicting information. All sources seem to say the same thing: Queanbeyan, New South Wales, 5 September 1939.
I'm at a loss as to why this situation merits a rather one-sided revert war (and article protection). WP:BLP is intended to avoid damaging and controversial information from sneaking articles, and this is clearly neither damaging nor controversial. Peter Isotalo 21:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I moved the following passage here, as per the discussion on Jimmy Wales' Talk Page, until it can be better sourced. The only two sources it cites are another wiki, and imdb, neither of which Wikipedia considers reliable sources. Nightscream ( talk) 15:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
SPACKlick ( talk) 16:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
SPACKlick ( talk) 16:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
If the sources support all of the specific assertions in the passage in question, then sure, as long as those sources are explicitly included in the text, as per WP:CS. Nightscream ( talk) 00:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
New messages go at the bottom of a section, not the top. As for breaking the fourth wall, that refers specifically to a character facing the camera and talking to the audience, not music. Nightscream ( talk) 15:23, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about putting it at the top, haven't done this before. If we are saying only directly addressing the audience counts as breaking the fourth wall then the reference to Sean Connery winking at the audience in Never Say Never Again is incorrect. Also in the Wikipedia article for the film Octopussy it refers to the music scene I mentioned as breaking the fourth wall, so it would make that incorrect. 94.2.185.247 ( talk) 21:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
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The article mentions a "garlic" incident between Lazenby and Diana Rigg, and mentions their claims that it was just a rumour, but doesn't give any details about what the incident actually (supposedly) was. Goodbye Galaxy 18:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodbye Galaxy ( talk • contribs)
This is wrong and has also been removed from OHMSS in this edit. The fact that some sources say it does not make it true. Lazenby is not looking at the camera and merely speaks the line to himself. Unfortunately, a myth has grown up around this, and Wikipedia should not be repeating it.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 04:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Lazenby's line is similar to Jack Sparrow's line in Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides: "Did everyone see that? Because I will NOT be doing it again!" [3] This could be seen as addressing the audience, but Sparrow does not look at the camera and allows the audience to see the joke.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Is it Goulburn or Queanbeyan? Tarskov ( talk) 15:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
In his public speaking appearances Mr Lazenby is emphatic that OHMSS was his first motion picture experience. What evidence besides some IMDB comments link him to that film? Foofbun ( talk) 05:34, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Is this twitter account for real? [twitter.com/georgelazenby] Can someone authenticate the Twitter account georgelazenby Mang ( talk) 04:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
I correct a few factual errors in the article. It seems Nightscream missed those despite his numerous edits to the article. Oddly they reverted me, but didn't actually supply references for their versions (AWW is there, but contradicts the spelling in the article and the infobox). In any case, I added {{ citation needed}} to statements that seem incorrect. Agt.007 ( talk) 17:49, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Q9OFx2nEw
Lazenby stated that in this talk radio interview from Australia he stated that he was black listed, with two exceptions, for years after OHMSSS.
The reasons were: he had Rohnan O'Rhailly as an agent. He refused to sign a contract. He wore hippie type clothes, wore his hair long and raised a beard . . .
Should this be stated in the article???
Contemporaneous interview from that period: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8YJ4V4xqpU User:JCHeverly 18:38, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Sourced text was removed by IP, the source itself is quite vague so here are some others Student Newspaper tvguide.com Durham Times referring to a guide book which also makes the claim. Same paper, different article, same guide book
I'm sure there are some more in print at the university itself. SPACKlick ( talk) 14:27, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
The above sources are just student journalists copying stuff from Wikipedia (it was added to the college wikipedia page by an IP in 2010 and has been snowballing 2nd-hand sources since then). October 1968 to May 1969 he was filming OHMSS. In the 1969-1970 academic year he was described as preferring life as a car salesman and wanting to go to Los Angeles to look for roles http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107908281 about to star in a Western http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/131680428, going on TV shows with the Beatles on 7 February 1970 in London. In the 1970-1971 he made universal soldier. So at what point are we saying this hippy actor decided to study Drama at a Church of England Teacher Training college then? It's also worth mentioning that the same college's Wikipedians also claim Roger Moore studied there, even though that was denied by Moore himself. Wouldn't it have been written about at the time if it was actually true? 88.212.36.193 ( talk) 13:16, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:George Lazenby/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Needs better referencing. I don't think the salary section is appropriate, there must be a better way of summing up his film career.-- Grahamec 10:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 10:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 16:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
This section is looking really bad. It feels like an endless series of quotes. It also lacks a reference to one of the most compelling reasons Lazenby has cited over the years for his departure from the series, the changing attitudes he saw in 60s counterculture which he thought would make Bond obsolete. As he told The Guardian: "I had advice that James Bond was over anyway. ...Being in the 60s, it was love, not war. You know, hippy time". [1]
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I don't understand why this picture is here... it was "used by" Lazenby? I'm suspecting this is a joke or vandalism, but I apologize if I'm wrong. PurpleChez ( talk) 15:40, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Ianmacm:, Nightscream, A belated comment: The above discussion ( s) refer to Lazenby’s line "this never happened to the other fellow" as not breaking the fourth wall, because he wasn’t looking directly at the camera. Just to clarify, breaking the fourth wall can be done through 'directly referring to the audience, the play as a play, or the characters' fictionality'. The line is a reference to Connery in the role of Bond, so it is a reference to the character’s fictionality, is it not? Swanny18 ( talk) 08:58, 17 September 2021 (UTC)