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It appears a second opinion was requested on this article, and I'm offering mine. I think the article needs to be expanded, and the best way to do this is by doing some more research. Specifically, the Themes and Style sections should be expanded and perhaps a Characters section added to discuss the changes the characters exhibit throughout the story. You seem to have print references, which are good, but I would like to see Bookrags replaced with more scholarly journal articles. I wouldn't consider Bookrags a sufficient source for literary analysis. Try a public library and see what you can get there. If you can't find much, visit a college or university library - you may not need to be a student or staff to read there and make photocopies. Ask the librarian for the MLA database of literary critique - that will give you a list of articles relating to the story and novel. You'll have to hunt those down and you may not be able to find them all, but if you find a few, they will be helpful.
So from a GA standpoint, what I'm asking you to do is add more content - a significant amount, so this would make the article inherently unstable. I would de-nominate it and work on it for a while. If you would like my opinion while you're adding, I'll be happy to assist where I can. Good luck. -- Moni3 ( talk) 17:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
The last comment here was made a week ago; is the GAC review still happening? The initial review was never actually made, so I'm confused. Is it on hold? On a side note, I'd like to agree with Moni in that the BookRags refs have got to go; it's not a verifiable source and therefore goes against policy ( WP:V) much in the same way that Sparknotes does. If simple plot details need to be cited, then use the novel/short story instead. María ( habla con migo) 18:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I was hoping the nominator would think again about improving the article. I'm removing the GA nomination instead of failing the article. I hope to see this article at GA again in the future. -- Moni3 ( talk) 21:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Searching for more... María ( habla con migo) 14:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Searching... -- Moni3 ( talk) 14:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
The synopsis of the short story contradicts itself and is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.145.36.242 ( talk) 20:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Was Charlie's IQ 68 or 70 in the beginning of the novel? In an earlier entry it is 68, though 70 is used later on. OrangeAipom ( talk) 01:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Did anybody know anything about Alzheimer's disease when the book was written? 68.32.48.59 ( talk) 12:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I am currently re-reading the novel and I noticed that throughout the novel that, aside from alot of the themes which have been covered, there is a strong undertone of how (and including that scene where Charlie realizes his intelligence, induced by an operation, is not permanent and denounces the scientific establishment) the psychiatrists and scientists responsible were not made to meddle in areas that they, as humans, were not supposed to. Does anyone else sense that undertone and if so, shouldn't it be reported as an additional theme in the novel? -- EmilyGreene1984 12:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The plot of this book has a lot in common with the 1992 Sci-Fi Film "Lawnmower Man". In fact the Wikipedia page on the film references the book. Should we add this to the list of adaptations?
Rmac1961 ( talk) 03:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I did not put this in the article, but it is strongly implied that Charley is aware of his own death and is telling everyone in his final entry not to worry. The book's title also makes sense in his final line, which is also his last wish: "If anywun is reeding this pleeze put some flowers on Algernon's grave in the bak yard". This means that Charley knows whatever happens to Algernon is going to happen to him. USN1977 ( talk) 21:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
GDallimore, Charlie states that he opts for the Warren State Home because he is aware that everyone around him "feels sorry" for him, and doesn't want to live with their pity. While I agree that Keyes in no way explicitly states Charlie will die as a result of his post-operational atrophy, it is fair to say that the novel contains implicit foreboding (Charlie's proportional growth:time discovery, Algernon's death, Algernon's cerebral decay in autopsy). With regards to the final line, whilst a death wish makes for a powerful ending, ostensibly Charlie makes this request because should he be under the care of the Warren State Home, he'd no longer enjoy access Algernon's garden grave as easily. I'd add that Charlie's physical death would not significantly alter the novel's emotional impact, as the pain of loss remains irrespectively. An issue that I feel is underdiscussed is whether Charlie was truly a person before the operation. Keyes shows us that Charlie takes great pains to demonstrate to Nemur et al that he had a past and that retardation didn't preclude him from humanity; further, Charlie's search for his family is his last-ditch attempt at "proving" that he was real. Nevertheless, when Charlie begins to intuit that he is at war with adolescent, moronic Charlie over who gets to inhabit the body, a duality of self is established, with the genius Charlie avowing that he won't give up the body without a fight. When Charlie finally reverts to his mentally handicapped original self, the question (as I view it) to ask is: has Charlie gone full circle, has he "recovered" his body from a nascent but different Charlie who could only exist at a certain level of intelligence, or has Charlie managed to retain residual traits of the genius self that serve to transform the moronic Charlie? This last point: although his intelligence is as underdeveloped as in the early novel, Charlie appears to have insights into the nature of intelligence that were beyond him initially (Charlie's awareness that even though he wrote the earlier entries in the book, he can't tell that they're his). I read this novel when I was 11 and I loved it; I read it again under completely different circumstances, and it's left a mark now. Please excuse my lack of dexterity with Wikipedia, I'm not really into this. latinoeuropa —Preceding undated comment added 23:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC).
Isn't an important implication of Algernon's death that Charlie will revert not to his previous state but be in fact worse off? That he may die? This is not explicitly mentioned in the article.-- Jrm2007 ( talk) 19:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Tina Fey reference Flowers during her interview by Terry Gross on the November 3, 2008 edition of Fresh Air. It is made quickly, at approximately 6:45 minutes in the interview. I had not heard of this short or novel before, and did not quite understand the reference.==:'(==
This story has a really sad, and depressing ending.-- Jumpman Jordan ( talk) 01:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
66.193.84.3 ( talk) 19:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
One of the acts of Oscar Wilde's The Importance of Being Earnest is entitled "Flowers for Algernon". Is this a coincidence? If not, perhaps the article should mention it. Paul Magnussen ( talk) 23:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I have twice removed reference to egobo (or something) for Algernon. This is fan-fiction, as the source makes clear, and therefore not remotely worthy of note. GDallimore ( Talk) 13:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm throwing this idea out there for anyone who wants to run with it and see if there is indeed any published research/criticism that meets Wikipedia's citation standards: is there any research on whether the point in the book about Charley at the end, that "despite regressing to his former self, he still remembers that he was once a genius" actually occurs in real life in brain injury patients (or Alzheimer's)? Currently this would be in the "reverse" direction of Charley (regression, without any "memory of improvement) - as there are very few workable treatments for brain injury or Alzheimer's that can produce major improvements, with the possible (some would say probable) exception of HBOT - although major improvements is undeniable in a few anecdotes - which implies that something may be going on biologically in many if not all patients treated, but of course proves nothing. Rockswold 2010 ("A prospective, randomized clinical trial to compare the effect of hyperbaric to normobaric hyperoxia on cerebral metabolism, intracranial pressure, and oxygen toxicity in severe traumatic brain injury." J Neurosurg. 2010 PMID 19852540) suggests that significant biological changes occur, at least if HBO treatment is applied early enough.
A very few anecdotes of late improvement (Neubauer 2005, case studies, not in peer reviewed journal) raise the possibility of increased awareness of the state of brain injury and mental disability itself, as do other anecdotes. This question may come up in reference to the field of nootropics as well, and in the (possibly questionable) field of biological/metabolic treatment and "recovery" from autism. Until someone runs a very very large case series on all parents pursuing this treatment - indeed until someone figures out *how* to run such a series on a protocol that by its nature cannot be controlled as it depends on changes in the protocol based on results - whether such recovery happens remains an open question as far as mainstream literature. However, there are several claimed anecdotes of children who have recovered, and have given their own impressions of their own recovery.
If stem-cell or other biologic/cellular therapy for brain injury become available in the future, this may further will become a "real question" (primary soure] Ning Zhang, Honghai Yanb and Xuejun Wen. “Tissue-engineering approaches for axonal guidance.” Brain Res Rev 2005. 49(1): 48-64; [secondary source] “Gel heal injured brain and bone.” (secondary source) Eric Bland 2009. at http://news.discovery.com/tech/brain-injury-gel.html (accessed November 3, 2010)).
Is anyone else aware of whether this has been explored in a scholarly criticism, that might add something to the article?
216.9.143.231 ( talk) 18:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC)Jim Witte (non-wikipedian)
I get a lot of use out of wikipedia, so I am disappointed by the tone throughout this Talk page. It seems to me the standards for Novels should be comparable to the rest of wikipedia, but I get the feeling that some of those posting are treating prose as a rarefied domain.
re: stories that followed this one, especially on film. Flowers for Algernon was groundbreaking, if not the first story of its kind. It gave a boost to the science fiction genre, helping to expand the mainstream perception of what the genre could do. Cliff Robertson won an Oscar for this role, a very rare instance of an s.f. film winning a non-technical Oscar. I don't see the problem with noting that certain films have used a similar plot; Keyes's story was particularly influential (and to say this could promote a lawsuit seems over-the-top). In addition to Lawnmower Man (1992), other films with similar stories include The Outer Limits "The Sixth Finger" (broadcast a few years after the story's publication, and before the movie Charly) and Molly (1999), and the based-on-truth Awakenings (1990). Most people seeing any of these films would be reminded of Keyes's work, or vice versa: all of them mine drama and poignancy from a central character who becomes more intelligent or aware, then regresses. The article doesn't have to list every example; it could note that the story broke ground and mention a few of the major stories/films that followed. ProfessorAndro ( talk) 12:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Several of the items appearing in the list of Adaptations were not adaptations, but either were works that were connected to Flowers only via the use of a similar plot device or which were parodies of the original work. None of them were sourced (except for the Star Trek one, which was sourced only to IMDB, and even that non-reliable source made no mention of any linkage between the television episode and Flowers for Algernon). I also moved the item about the modern-dance piece from the Adaptations section to the Inspirations section. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 09:30, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
@ User:Zero Serenity, @ User:Fefu, @ User:LowLevel73, @ User:LtNOWIS, @ User:GDallimore Hello, all. I've pinged you because, over the years, each of you have weighed in on the question of whether Gordon worked in a factory or a bakery. I recognize that this is a minor point, but the article keeps going through the occasional "improvement" of having the place of employment changed from one to the other. In all likelihood, the confusion exists because the place of employment varies according to the particular version of the work (i.e., short story, novel, movie, television presentation, etc.). I think the best way to put a stop to these "improvements" is to place a statement in the flush language at the start of the "Synopsis" section, stating that some details in the story vary according to the version and then explicitly stating that the place of employment is one of those details. But before I do that, I want to get my facts straight. Would each of you be so kind as to weigh in on precisely which version you were looking to, and what that version actually said about the place of employment? I'll get the ball rolling by saying that the version that I own is the English-language short story and that it has Gordon working at the Donnegan Plastic Box Company. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 21:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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In the novel and adaptation he worked at "Donner's Bakery" but in the short story, which I have a copy in front of me says he worked at "Donnegan's Plastic Box Company" but the article for the short story still says he works at a bakery. Although it's minor I think it's something that should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by B-Movie Fan ( talk • contribs) 21:05, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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It appears a second opinion was requested on this article, and I'm offering mine. I think the article needs to be expanded, and the best way to do this is by doing some more research. Specifically, the Themes and Style sections should be expanded and perhaps a Characters section added to discuss the changes the characters exhibit throughout the story. You seem to have print references, which are good, but I would like to see Bookrags replaced with more scholarly journal articles. I wouldn't consider Bookrags a sufficient source for literary analysis. Try a public library and see what you can get there. If you can't find much, visit a college or university library - you may not need to be a student or staff to read there and make photocopies. Ask the librarian for the MLA database of literary critique - that will give you a list of articles relating to the story and novel. You'll have to hunt those down and you may not be able to find them all, but if you find a few, they will be helpful.
So from a GA standpoint, what I'm asking you to do is add more content - a significant amount, so this would make the article inherently unstable. I would de-nominate it and work on it for a while. If you would like my opinion while you're adding, I'll be happy to assist where I can. Good luck. -- Moni3 ( talk) 17:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
The last comment here was made a week ago; is the GAC review still happening? The initial review was never actually made, so I'm confused. Is it on hold? On a side note, I'd like to agree with Moni in that the BookRags refs have got to go; it's not a verifiable source and therefore goes against policy ( WP:V) much in the same way that Sparknotes does. If simple plot details need to be cited, then use the novel/short story instead. María ( habla con migo) 18:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I was hoping the nominator would think again about improving the article. I'm removing the GA nomination instead of failing the article. I hope to see this article at GA again in the future. -- Moni3 ( talk) 21:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Searching for more... María ( habla con migo) 14:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Searching... -- Moni3 ( talk) 14:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
The synopsis of the short story contradicts itself and is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.145.36.242 ( talk) 20:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Was Charlie's IQ 68 or 70 in the beginning of the novel? In an earlier entry it is 68, though 70 is used later on. OrangeAipom ( talk) 01:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Did anybody know anything about Alzheimer's disease when the book was written? 68.32.48.59 ( talk) 12:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I am currently re-reading the novel and I noticed that throughout the novel that, aside from alot of the themes which have been covered, there is a strong undertone of how (and including that scene where Charlie realizes his intelligence, induced by an operation, is not permanent and denounces the scientific establishment) the psychiatrists and scientists responsible were not made to meddle in areas that they, as humans, were not supposed to. Does anyone else sense that undertone and if so, shouldn't it be reported as an additional theme in the novel? -- EmilyGreene1984 12:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The plot of this book has a lot in common with the 1992 Sci-Fi Film "Lawnmower Man". In fact the Wikipedia page on the film references the book. Should we add this to the list of adaptations?
Rmac1961 ( talk) 03:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I did not put this in the article, but it is strongly implied that Charley is aware of his own death and is telling everyone in his final entry not to worry. The book's title also makes sense in his final line, which is also his last wish: "If anywun is reeding this pleeze put some flowers on Algernon's grave in the bak yard". This means that Charley knows whatever happens to Algernon is going to happen to him. USN1977 ( talk) 21:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
GDallimore, Charlie states that he opts for the Warren State Home because he is aware that everyone around him "feels sorry" for him, and doesn't want to live with their pity. While I agree that Keyes in no way explicitly states Charlie will die as a result of his post-operational atrophy, it is fair to say that the novel contains implicit foreboding (Charlie's proportional growth:time discovery, Algernon's death, Algernon's cerebral decay in autopsy). With regards to the final line, whilst a death wish makes for a powerful ending, ostensibly Charlie makes this request because should he be under the care of the Warren State Home, he'd no longer enjoy access Algernon's garden grave as easily. I'd add that Charlie's physical death would not significantly alter the novel's emotional impact, as the pain of loss remains irrespectively. An issue that I feel is underdiscussed is whether Charlie was truly a person before the operation. Keyes shows us that Charlie takes great pains to demonstrate to Nemur et al that he had a past and that retardation didn't preclude him from humanity; further, Charlie's search for his family is his last-ditch attempt at "proving" that he was real. Nevertheless, when Charlie begins to intuit that he is at war with adolescent, moronic Charlie over who gets to inhabit the body, a duality of self is established, with the genius Charlie avowing that he won't give up the body without a fight. When Charlie finally reverts to his mentally handicapped original self, the question (as I view it) to ask is: has Charlie gone full circle, has he "recovered" his body from a nascent but different Charlie who could only exist at a certain level of intelligence, or has Charlie managed to retain residual traits of the genius self that serve to transform the moronic Charlie? This last point: although his intelligence is as underdeveloped as in the early novel, Charlie appears to have insights into the nature of intelligence that were beyond him initially (Charlie's awareness that even though he wrote the earlier entries in the book, he can't tell that they're his). I read this novel when I was 11 and I loved it; I read it again under completely different circumstances, and it's left a mark now. Please excuse my lack of dexterity with Wikipedia, I'm not really into this. latinoeuropa —Preceding undated comment added 23:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC).
Isn't an important implication of Algernon's death that Charlie will revert not to his previous state but be in fact worse off? That he may die? This is not explicitly mentioned in the article.-- Jrm2007 ( talk) 19:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Tina Fey reference Flowers during her interview by Terry Gross on the November 3, 2008 edition of Fresh Air. It is made quickly, at approximately 6:45 minutes in the interview. I had not heard of this short or novel before, and did not quite understand the reference.==:'(==
This story has a really sad, and depressing ending.-- Jumpman Jordan ( talk) 01:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
66.193.84.3 ( talk) 19:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
One of the acts of Oscar Wilde's The Importance of Being Earnest is entitled "Flowers for Algernon". Is this a coincidence? If not, perhaps the article should mention it. Paul Magnussen ( talk) 23:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I have twice removed reference to egobo (or something) for Algernon. This is fan-fiction, as the source makes clear, and therefore not remotely worthy of note. GDallimore ( Talk) 13:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm throwing this idea out there for anyone who wants to run with it and see if there is indeed any published research/criticism that meets Wikipedia's citation standards: is there any research on whether the point in the book about Charley at the end, that "despite regressing to his former self, he still remembers that he was once a genius" actually occurs in real life in brain injury patients (or Alzheimer's)? Currently this would be in the "reverse" direction of Charley (regression, without any "memory of improvement) - as there are very few workable treatments for brain injury or Alzheimer's that can produce major improvements, with the possible (some would say probable) exception of HBOT - although major improvements is undeniable in a few anecdotes - which implies that something may be going on biologically in many if not all patients treated, but of course proves nothing. Rockswold 2010 ("A prospective, randomized clinical trial to compare the effect of hyperbaric to normobaric hyperoxia on cerebral metabolism, intracranial pressure, and oxygen toxicity in severe traumatic brain injury." J Neurosurg. 2010 PMID 19852540) suggests that significant biological changes occur, at least if HBO treatment is applied early enough.
A very few anecdotes of late improvement (Neubauer 2005, case studies, not in peer reviewed journal) raise the possibility of increased awareness of the state of brain injury and mental disability itself, as do other anecdotes. This question may come up in reference to the field of nootropics as well, and in the (possibly questionable) field of biological/metabolic treatment and "recovery" from autism. Until someone runs a very very large case series on all parents pursuing this treatment - indeed until someone figures out *how* to run such a series on a protocol that by its nature cannot be controlled as it depends on changes in the protocol based on results - whether such recovery happens remains an open question as far as mainstream literature. However, there are several claimed anecdotes of children who have recovered, and have given their own impressions of their own recovery.
If stem-cell or other biologic/cellular therapy for brain injury become available in the future, this may further will become a "real question" (primary soure] Ning Zhang, Honghai Yanb and Xuejun Wen. “Tissue-engineering approaches for axonal guidance.” Brain Res Rev 2005. 49(1): 48-64; [secondary source] “Gel heal injured brain and bone.” (secondary source) Eric Bland 2009. at http://news.discovery.com/tech/brain-injury-gel.html (accessed November 3, 2010)).
Is anyone else aware of whether this has been explored in a scholarly criticism, that might add something to the article?
216.9.143.231 ( talk) 18:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC)Jim Witte (non-wikipedian)
I get a lot of use out of wikipedia, so I am disappointed by the tone throughout this Talk page. It seems to me the standards for Novels should be comparable to the rest of wikipedia, but I get the feeling that some of those posting are treating prose as a rarefied domain.
re: stories that followed this one, especially on film. Flowers for Algernon was groundbreaking, if not the first story of its kind. It gave a boost to the science fiction genre, helping to expand the mainstream perception of what the genre could do. Cliff Robertson won an Oscar for this role, a very rare instance of an s.f. film winning a non-technical Oscar. I don't see the problem with noting that certain films have used a similar plot; Keyes's story was particularly influential (and to say this could promote a lawsuit seems over-the-top). In addition to Lawnmower Man (1992), other films with similar stories include The Outer Limits "The Sixth Finger" (broadcast a few years after the story's publication, and before the movie Charly) and Molly (1999), and the based-on-truth Awakenings (1990). Most people seeing any of these films would be reminded of Keyes's work, or vice versa: all of them mine drama and poignancy from a central character who becomes more intelligent or aware, then regresses. The article doesn't have to list every example; it could note that the story broke ground and mention a few of the major stories/films that followed. ProfessorAndro ( talk) 12:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Several of the items appearing in the list of Adaptations were not adaptations, but either were works that were connected to Flowers only via the use of a similar plot device or which were parodies of the original work. None of them were sourced (except for the Star Trek one, which was sourced only to IMDB, and even that non-reliable source made no mention of any linkage between the television episode and Flowers for Algernon). I also moved the item about the modern-dance piece from the Adaptations section to the Inspirations section. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 09:30, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
@ User:Zero Serenity, @ User:Fefu, @ User:LowLevel73, @ User:LtNOWIS, @ User:GDallimore Hello, all. I've pinged you because, over the years, each of you have weighed in on the question of whether Gordon worked in a factory or a bakery. I recognize that this is a minor point, but the article keeps going through the occasional "improvement" of having the place of employment changed from one to the other. In all likelihood, the confusion exists because the place of employment varies according to the particular version of the work (i.e., short story, novel, movie, television presentation, etc.). I think the best way to put a stop to these "improvements" is to place a statement in the flush language at the start of the "Synopsis" section, stating that some details in the story vary according to the version and then explicitly stating that the place of employment is one of those details. But before I do that, I want to get my facts straight. Would each of you be so kind as to weigh in on precisely which version you were looking to, and what that version actually said about the place of employment? I'll get the ball rolling by saying that the version that I own is the English-language short story and that it has Gordon working at the Donnegan Plastic Box Company. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 21:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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In the novel and adaptation he worked at "Donner's Bakery" but in the short story, which I have a copy in front of me says he worked at "Donnegan's Plastic Box Company" but the article for the short story still says he works at a bakery. Although it's minor I think it's something that should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by B-Movie Fan ( talk • contribs) 21:05, 12 February 2019 (UTC)