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The page header was fundamentally incorrect, being taken from Peggy Graysons definitive book, the first 15 pages, when the field spaniel appears a few pages later! On behalf of the Field Spaniel Society, I have amended the header, and now will be updating the main body of the work via my sandbox. Please feel free to comment on it here: /info/en/?search=User:Kriswarry/sandbox I also wish to add some disambiguation notes to help prevent the confusion between a Field Spaniel, and a field bred Spaniel, usually a Cocker or Springer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kriswarry ( talk • contribs) 10:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Looking at the health section, not only is there no mention of pasterns and their issues, the pasterns page doesnt mention dogs having them, only horses! Going to put a note there too of intent to add content. Kriswarry ( talk) 07:49, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
And now even my own copyrighted, correctly posted via wikicommons photo to show the difference between a Field and a Cocker has been removed. You are bulling and harassing me, just deleteing everything however I post it. Kriswarry ( talk) 20:10, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
I would prefer this not be applied to the article. Most breeds do NOT have over 300 puppies a year. The Field produces only 5-8 puppies a liter and breeders purposely do not breed excessively.-- Watershipkennel 17:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
This breed is classed in Britain as a VNB - a breed which originated in the UK but now has registration numbers with the Kennel Club of less then 300 puppies per year.
I'm a Canadian teenager on a gap year before Uni and I'm really interested in this. Would anyone like a VNB paragraph/link on this page? I can write it, but am ignorant about formatting etc. Plus, I'm trying to put together a whole collection on all 29 breeds on this list, including history and so on, using Wikipedia as one of my many sources. If you can help, or are interested at all, please contact me either on my talk page or at green_ied_dragon@hotmail.com
-- The Wizard of Magicland 19:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
The current picture is acceptable but I will be providing more pictures for this article.-- Watershipkennel 05:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
THe picture posted is not a field spaniel. It appears to be a field-bred springer spaniel, but field spaniels are self-colored (solid) usually a dark brown.-- Counsel 01:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
That's right--it's a Springer, or at least not a Field. I've added an external link at the end of the apperance section that shows my old Field.
Fields can be solid or roan, didnt see the picture, just wanting to correct the misapprehension above. I also wish to replace the pictures with those of some full CH and ShCh examples. Kriswarry ( talk) 08:01, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Going to be nominating this article up for a GA shortly. Just a note here to let the reviewer know that I won't be including this as a Wikicup entry as I don't consider myself to have done significant work on it this year. In fact, it was an oversight that I hadn't nominated it last October - I'd simply forgotten to nominate it. Miyagawa (talk) 21:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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I'll review this article shortly. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 05:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Here are the issues I found:
Just those couple small issues. I'll put the article on hold and will pass it when the issues are fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 05:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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There have been a series of edits by a new editor concerning the Field Spaniel Society's preferred wording on puppy purchase and confusiuon with other breeds. Something along the lines of "puppies of other breeds are sometimes marketed as "field spaniels," leading to confusion among prospective owners", which will need a source in any case, might be suitable, but the encyclopedia article is not an appropriate place for informal "buyer beware" notices place at the behest of a breed association. Acroterion (talk) 13:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
most of the article is incorrect, I am trying to correct it, I am slow, and so doing it bit by bit. if I was given enough damn chance to add the referneces then I would, instead my stuff just keeps getting deleted. this is very disability unfriendly after I have tried to explain what I am steadily dpoing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kriswarry ( talk • contribs) 13:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Kriswarry has left the following message on my talk page: tHE FIELD SPANIEL PAGE NOW HAS THE REFEFRENCES ON IT, THEREFOE IT IS NOT SUBSTANSIATED, SO WHY ARE YOU STILL DELETING IT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kriswarry ( talk • contribs) 13:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
I had again reverted as the unsubstantiated commentary still remained. Kriswarry, why not try working in a your sandbox? But remember that would not guarantee that any alterations may not be reverted. At the moment you are edit warring and risk being blocked. Re: the edit made a few minutes ago, although it is referenced, it should be in the body of the article not the lead. SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:04, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
[[User:Kriswarry|Kriswarry]] ([[User talk:Kriswarry|talk]]) 14:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
In the late 19th century the term “field spaniel” was used to describe all the land spaniels which were then apportioned with names depending on size and colour: smaller dogs were cockers, larger ones springers. If the larger ones were liver/white and black/white they were deemed springers, if solid coloured they were Fields." has been directly copied from the Kennel Club here. SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Some one else insisted I move the reference to that page further down the text! I had put the reference in the header along with the wiki page reference to the cocker spaniel page. It therefore isn't a copyright violation! will you please all be consistent Kriswarry ( talk) 14:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
The bit about the history you deleted was from a wikipedia page! would you like to delete the cocker spaniel pages too? please see paragraph 3 as per the link... you cant delete stuff for not being referenced from wikipedia, and then delete the wikipedia refernecs! Kriswarry ( talk) 15:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
I have put in an appeal against you. you have been consistently agressive, unhelpful, and are even deleting information from other wikipedia pages. I have made the changes you requested and yet you still find more excuses to delete, conflicting with your prior advice. This is very intimidating and against the ethos of the brand when someone is just trying to correct a very incorrect header that conflicts with the breed standards and specialists. you wont let me use my own words, use external words, or use wikipedia words from other pages. I tried doing small edits and carefully saying where some of this came from around wikipedia, and yet you are not reading it, simply bulk deleting everthing and blaming me, no matter what I do. Kriswarry ( talk) 16:02, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Only UNAUTHORISED use is a copyright violation, plus under fair use terms in the UK there are ways of using single sentences etc. as long as there are proper references - which there were until you made me move them lower down as otherwise you would delete it all. Kriswarry ( talk) 16:16, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
I've had to revert the page back to the original version. My reason for this is because the edits made it extremely similar (both in wording and style) to the cocker spaniel page. In addition, there were a ton of grammar errors introduced, which materially affect the page. I'll give this one a copy edit when I'm done writing for the day, but I'll keep it on my watchlist.
I'm concerned that this is starting to get a little silly. While I appreciate that the edits are generally done in good faith, the same issues are coming up: so far, we've had unsourced statements, problems with grammar and spelling (quite serious ones), and copyvios and now we're getting copy shifted over from other pages. Are field spaniels really worth a separate page from cocker spaniels? And is the information about cocking relevant to field spaniels?
Stui ( talk) 08:14, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
13 years since original review, now contains self-published/unreliable citations which I've removed. Traumnovelle ( talk) 22:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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The page header was fundamentally incorrect, being taken from Peggy Graysons definitive book, the first 15 pages, when the field spaniel appears a few pages later! On behalf of the Field Spaniel Society, I have amended the header, and now will be updating the main body of the work via my sandbox. Please feel free to comment on it here: /info/en/?search=User:Kriswarry/sandbox I also wish to add some disambiguation notes to help prevent the confusion between a Field Spaniel, and a field bred Spaniel, usually a Cocker or Springer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kriswarry ( talk • contribs) 10:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Looking at the health section, not only is there no mention of pasterns and their issues, the pasterns page doesnt mention dogs having them, only horses! Going to put a note there too of intent to add content. Kriswarry ( talk) 07:49, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
And now even my own copyrighted, correctly posted via wikicommons photo to show the difference between a Field and a Cocker has been removed. You are bulling and harassing me, just deleteing everything however I post it. Kriswarry ( talk) 20:10, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
I would prefer this not be applied to the article. Most breeds do NOT have over 300 puppies a year. The Field produces only 5-8 puppies a liter and breeders purposely do not breed excessively.-- Watershipkennel 17:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
This breed is classed in Britain as a VNB - a breed which originated in the UK but now has registration numbers with the Kennel Club of less then 300 puppies per year.
I'm a Canadian teenager on a gap year before Uni and I'm really interested in this. Would anyone like a VNB paragraph/link on this page? I can write it, but am ignorant about formatting etc. Plus, I'm trying to put together a whole collection on all 29 breeds on this list, including history and so on, using Wikipedia as one of my many sources. If you can help, or are interested at all, please contact me either on my talk page or at green_ied_dragon@hotmail.com
-- The Wizard of Magicland 19:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
The current picture is acceptable but I will be providing more pictures for this article.-- Watershipkennel 05:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
THe picture posted is not a field spaniel. It appears to be a field-bred springer spaniel, but field spaniels are self-colored (solid) usually a dark brown.-- Counsel 01:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
That's right--it's a Springer, or at least not a Field. I've added an external link at the end of the apperance section that shows my old Field.
Fields can be solid or roan, didnt see the picture, just wanting to correct the misapprehension above. I also wish to replace the pictures with those of some full CH and ShCh examples. Kriswarry ( talk) 08:01, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Going to be nominating this article up for a GA shortly. Just a note here to let the reviewer know that I won't be including this as a Wikicup entry as I don't consider myself to have done significant work on it this year. In fact, it was an oversight that I hadn't nominated it last October - I'd simply forgotten to nominate it. Miyagawa (talk) 21:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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I'll review this article shortly. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 05:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Here are the issues I found:
Just those couple small issues. I'll put the article on hold and will pass it when the issues are fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 05:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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There have been a series of edits by a new editor concerning the Field Spaniel Society's preferred wording on puppy purchase and confusiuon with other breeds. Something along the lines of "puppies of other breeds are sometimes marketed as "field spaniels," leading to confusion among prospective owners", which will need a source in any case, might be suitable, but the encyclopedia article is not an appropriate place for informal "buyer beware" notices place at the behest of a breed association. Acroterion (talk) 13:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
most of the article is incorrect, I am trying to correct it, I am slow, and so doing it bit by bit. if I was given enough damn chance to add the referneces then I would, instead my stuff just keeps getting deleted. this is very disability unfriendly after I have tried to explain what I am steadily dpoing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kriswarry ( talk • contribs) 13:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Kriswarry has left the following message on my talk page: tHE FIELD SPANIEL PAGE NOW HAS THE REFEFRENCES ON IT, THEREFOE IT IS NOT SUBSTANSIATED, SO WHY ARE YOU STILL DELETING IT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kriswarry ( talk • contribs) 13:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
I had again reverted as the unsubstantiated commentary still remained. Kriswarry, why not try working in a your sandbox? But remember that would not guarantee that any alterations may not be reverted. At the moment you are edit warring and risk being blocked. Re: the edit made a few minutes ago, although it is referenced, it should be in the body of the article not the lead. SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:04, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
[[User:Kriswarry|Kriswarry]] ([[User talk:Kriswarry|talk]]) 14:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
In the late 19th century the term “field spaniel” was used to describe all the land spaniels which were then apportioned with names depending on size and colour: smaller dogs were cockers, larger ones springers. If the larger ones were liver/white and black/white they were deemed springers, if solid coloured they were Fields." has been directly copied from the Kennel Club here. SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Some one else insisted I move the reference to that page further down the text! I had put the reference in the header along with the wiki page reference to the cocker spaniel page. It therefore isn't a copyright violation! will you please all be consistent Kriswarry ( talk) 14:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
The bit about the history you deleted was from a wikipedia page! would you like to delete the cocker spaniel pages too? please see paragraph 3 as per the link... you cant delete stuff for not being referenced from wikipedia, and then delete the wikipedia refernecs! Kriswarry ( talk) 15:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
I have put in an appeal against you. you have been consistently agressive, unhelpful, and are even deleting information from other wikipedia pages. I have made the changes you requested and yet you still find more excuses to delete, conflicting with your prior advice. This is very intimidating and against the ethos of the brand when someone is just trying to correct a very incorrect header that conflicts with the breed standards and specialists. you wont let me use my own words, use external words, or use wikipedia words from other pages. I tried doing small edits and carefully saying where some of this came from around wikipedia, and yet you are not reading it, simply bulk deleting everthing and blaming me, no matter what I do. Kriswarry ( talk) 16:02, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Only UNAUTHORISED use is a copyright violation, plus under fair use terms in the UK there are ways of using single sentences etc. as long as there are proper references - which there were until you made me move them lower down as otherwise you would delete it all. Kriswarry ( talk) 16:16, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
I've had to revert the page back to the original version. My reason for this is because the edits made it extremely similar (both in wording and style) to the cocker spaniel page. In addition, there were a ton of grammar errors introduced, which materially affect the page. I'll give this one a copy edit when I'm done writing for the day, but I'll keep it on my watchlist.
I'm concerned that this is starting to get a little silly. While I appreciate that the edits are generally done in good faith, the same issues are coming up: so far, we've had unsourced statements, problems with grammar and spelling (quite serious ones), and copyvios and now we're getting copy shifted over from other pages. Are field spaniels really worth a separate page from cocker spaniels? And is the information about cocking relevant to field spaniels?
Stui ( talk) 08:14, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
13 years since original review, now contains self-published/unreliable citations which I've removed. Traumnovelle ( talk) 22:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)