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As it says in the first sentence, this is about a "practice in dominance and submission or kink subcultures". There is a lot of valuable material here, but in its current form, especially in the "As a theme" section, there are also many references to simply instances of forced feminization. For example, Ranma 1/2 where it is used for humor, in a children's cartoon, rather than intended for fetishists. I think these references don't belong here - for example Gene Hackman at the end of the Birdcage is forced to dress like a woman, but even if fetishists enjoy this scene, it is not directly related to either the consensual practice of the kink, or the culture around it. Similarly we don't include a list of movies with great foot scenes in the Foot fetishism article. The only way a mention of Ranma 1/2 etc would be appropriate would be if it was in fact a central pillar of feminization fetishist culture (and this supported with good citations). I think this article should limit its scope to the real-life practice and culture of the kink, which is admirably well covered here, and the porn intentionally created for the fetish (where notable for some reason). BrightVamp ( talk) 01:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
As discussed, I've made an edit to limit this article to apply to the sexual activity, as the title and lead indicate. Therefore I have removed material about things that are to do with feminization in general. (I also removed a couple of points that do refer to the sexual practice for not being notable or having a WP:RS, e.g. Otapol) Some of these points, where notable, could find a home in an article with a name like "Forced feminization in fiction", akin to Time travel in fiction - though Cross-dressing in film and television exists and contains a number of entries about forced cross-dressing, eg Oira Sukeban. Without this change the list could be endless and would greatly imbalance the article, besides being irrelevant. Removing them refocuses the article on the kinky practice, which I believe makes it stronger. BrightVamp ( talk) 19:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
So crossressing as female and fantasizing about being used is not gay one bit? not even bisexual? totally hetero...? Aww good to know that traps are not gay afterall... xD I think this article needs a bit of verifying... Zazae ( talk) 17:21, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
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This article is confusing feminization with sissification. Both are completely different. Feminization can be done to any gender but sissification is not. Very poor and biased article. It needs to be corrected. Polarbear678 ( talk) 09:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- @ Polarbear678: Thanks, but please note that the purpose of this page is for editors to discuss how to improve the article. Generally speaking, purely critical comment with no proposals on how to better the situation are undesirable, and may even be removed from the page. Since you are new here, you get a bit more slack than more experienced editors (we were all there before, so don’t worry), but you should follow up with your concrete proposals about how to improve the article. Something like, “In section ABC, change [this stuff] to [something like this] and add [this sentence] at the end” or something like that. And of course, it should all be based on your reading of specific, citable, reliable sources. Simply adding content based on your expertise, prior reading, or personal experience is not permitted. Can you please add your ideas of what to improve, and how, below? Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 11:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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As it says in the first sentence, this is about a "practice in dominance and submission or kink subcultures". There is a lot of valuable material here, but in its current form, especially in the "As a theme" section, there are also many references to simply instances of forced feminization. For example, Ranma 1/2 where it is used for humor, in a children's cartoon, rather than intended for fetishists. I think these references don't belong here - for example Gene Hackman at the end of the Birdcage is forced to dress like a woman, but even if fetishists enjoy this scene, it is not directly related to either the consensual practice of the kink, or the culture around it. Similarly we don't include a list of movies with great foot scenes in the Foot fetishism article. The only way a mention of Ranma 1/2 etc would be appropriate would be if it was in fact a central pillar of feminization fetishist culture (and this supported with good citations). I think this article should limit its scope to the real-life practice and culture of the kink, which is admirably well covered here, and the porn intentionally created for the fetish (where notable for some reason). BrightVamp ( talk) 01:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
As discussed, I've made an edit to limit this article to apply to the sexual activity, as the title and lead indicate. Therefore I have removed material about things that are to do with feminization in general. (I also removed a couple of points that do refer to the sexual practice for not being notable or having a WP:RS, e.g. Otapol) Some of these points, where notable, could find a home in an article with a name like "Forced feminization in fiction", akin to Time travel in fiction - though Cross-dressing in film and television exists and contains a number of entries about forced cross-dressing, eg Oira Sukeban. Without this change the list could be endless and would greatly imbalance the article, besides being irrelevant. Removing them refocuses the article on the kinky practice, which I believe makes it stronger. BrightVamp ( talk) 19:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
So crossressing as female and fantasizing about being used is not gay one bit? not even bisexual? totally hetero...? Aww good to know that traps are not gay afterall... xD I think this article needs a bit of verifying... Zazae ( talk) 17:21, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
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This article is confusing feminization with sissification. Both are completely different. Feminization can be done to any gender but sissification is not. Very poor and biased article. It needs to be corrected. Polarbear678 ( talk) 09:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- @ Polarbear678: Thanks, but please note that the purpose of this page is for editors to discuss how to improve the article. Generally speaking, purely critical comment with no proposals on how to better the situation are undesirable, and may even be removed from the page. Since you are new here, you get a bit more slack than more experienced editors (we were all there before, so don’t worry), but you should follow up with your concrete proposals about how to improve the article. Something like, “In section ABC, change [this stuff] to [something like this] and add [this sentence] at the end” or something like that. And of course, it should all be based on your reading of specific, citable, reliable sources. Simply adding content based on your expertise, prior reading, or personal experience is not permitted. Can you please add your ideas of what to improve, and how, below? Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 11:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)