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I've drafted a section on several modern Christian theologians and philosophers who have written about the reality of fairies: David Bentley Hart, John Milbank, Stephen R. L. Clark, C. S. Lewis, and J. R. R. Tolkien. This content, if others agree that it is relevant to the article, might be better integrated into the rest of the outline, but I did not see an obvious location for it. Feedback and suggestions much appreciated. Jjhake ( talk) 03:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm quite familiar with "On Fairy-Stories", and it absolutely does not affirm any belief in fairies as a real thing. It's about the literary device of "fairy-stories", and how it applies to our psychology. The quote by C.S. Lewis paraphrasing a comment Tolkien once made to him is similarly presented as a literal belief in fairies, when Tolkien is clearly speaking in a philosophical sense. The section as a whole seems to be ascribing a generalised trend in Christianity to the individual beliefs of a few philosophers, and taking some of the metaphorical or figurative comments of those philosophers at face value. It contains useful information, for sure (the section on Hart's belief that they exist is good) but I believe it could be better integrated into a general "modern belief in fairies" section. Apcynan ( talk) 08:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
The word Fairy/Fae ultimately comes from the Indo-Iranian 'peri'. It's very odd that this page makes absolutely no mention of that. A bit dubious, if I'm being straightforward. 75.213.21.10 ( talk) 10:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
the paragraph
A group of fairies is called a “spark.” For instance, “the spark of fairies moved so quickly they looked like a flash of lightning.”
is uncited, narrative dialogue, and generally detracts from the article. it should be removed. 2601:649:0:E890:C073:FBFD:6E2:57ED ( talk) 23:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
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Your information about the fae is wonderful, and it is really helpful in my book, Estrella. But there are a few things you need to revise, and you missed many things. Now, this is just Irish culture, but on the creation of fairies you need to add the origin of fallen angels mating with humans, creating the Fae. Also, the Skeaghshee. They are tree fairies who live outside of The Middle Kingdom in a fairy mound. They pledge alliance to their goddess, Morrigna (Morr-e-gna) and the Sidhe. You see, the Sidhe, Skeaghshee, and the Fairies are all branches of The Nephilim. I just thought I would add some insight. 76.145.181.225 ( talk) 21:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Malory's Morgan le Fay was just an awkward semi-translation of the French la fee Morgane (first used centuries before Malory and used still today: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fée_Morgane), also known as Fata Morgana in Italian etc. One other notable Arthurian sometimes-fairy is the Lady of the Lake.
As explained by Richard Cavendish in King Arthur and the Grail: The Arthurian Legends and Their Meaning (p.41):
"Fay is an old word for fairy, but ‘fairy’ nowadays has all the wrong connotations. It suggests a little, insipid, sugary, gauzy-winged sprite out of a story for small children. There is nothing childish or insipid about Morgan and the other Arthurian fays, who are tall, commanding and seductively beautiful. Dominating, ruthless, sensual and unpredictable, they are sometimes benevolent and sometimes cruel. They have formidable magical powers and are intensely dangerous to cross. They are of a race older than man, and they are either immortal or live far longer than any human span. They appear in the human world whenever they wish, but their true home is in the otherworld or land of faerie. Although the legend makes Morgan Arthur’s half-sister, she retains her faery characteristics."
This sample (late) medieval French image may also serve as an illustration of this concept: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IRHT_17155_2_P.jpg (Lancelot being courted by "Morgaine"). 5.173.76.191 ( talk) 10:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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I've drafted a section on several modern Christian theologians and philosophers who have written about the reality of fairies: David Bentley Hart, John Milbank, Stephen R. L. Clark, C. S. Lewis, and J. R. R. Tolkien. This content, if others agree that it is relevant to the article, might be better integrated into the rest of the outline, but I did not see an obvious location for it. Feedback and suggestions much appreciated. Jjhake ( talk) 03:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm quite familiar with "On Fairy-Stories", and it absolutely does not affirm any belief in fairies as a real thing. It's about the literary device of "fairy-stories", and how it applies to our psychology. The quote by C.S. Lewis paraphrasing a comment Tolkien once made to him is similarly presented as a literal belief in fairies, when Tolkien is clearly speaking in a philosophical sense. The section as a whole seems to be ascribing a generalised trend in Christianity to the individual beliefs of a few philosophers, and taking some of the metaphorical or figurative comments of those philosophers at face value. It contains useful information, for sure (the section on Hart's belief that they exist is good) but I believe it could be better integrated into a general "modern belief in fairies" section. Apcynan ( talk) 08:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
The word Fairy/Fae ultimately comes from the Indo-Iranian 'peri'. It's very odd that this page makes absolutely no mention of that. A bit dubious, if I'm being straightforward. 75.213.21.10 ( talk) 10:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
the paragraph
A group of fairies is called a “spark.” For instance, “the spark of fairies moved so quickly they looked like a flash of lightning.”
is uncited, narrative dialogue, and generally detracts from the article. it should be removed. 2601:649:0:E890:C073:FBFD:6E2:57ED ( talk) 23:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
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Change Celtic to Gael 146.198.75.64 ( talk) 19:08, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Your information about the fae is wonderful, and it is really helpful in my book, Estrella. But there are a few things you need to revise, and you missed many things. Now, this is just Irish culture, but on the creation of fairies you need to add the origin of fallen angels mating with humans, creating the Fae. Also, the Skeaghshee. They are tree fairies who live outside of The Middle Kingdom in a fairy mound. They pledge alliance to their goddess, Morrigna (Morr-e-gna) and the Sidhe. You see, the Sidhe, Skeaghshee, and the Fairies are all branches of The Nephilim. I just thought I would add some insight. 76.145.181.225 ( talk) 21:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Malory's Morgan le Fay was just an awkward semi-translation of the French la fee Morgane (first used centuries before Malory and used still today: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fée_Morgane), also known as Fata Morgana in Italian etc. One other notable Arthurian sometimes-fairy is the Lady of the Lake.
As explained by Richard Cavendish in King Arthur and the Grail: The Arthurian Legends and Their Meaning (p.41):
"Fay is an old word for fairy, but ‘fairy’ nowadays has all the wrong connotations. It suggests a little, insipid, sugary, gauzy-winged sprite out of a story for small children. There is nothing childish or insipid about Morgan and the other Arthurian fays, who are tall, commanding and seductively beautiful. Dominating, ruthless, sensual and unpredictable, they are sometimes benevolent and sometimes cruel. They have formidable magical powers and are intensely dangerous to cross. They are of a race older than man, and they are either immortal or live far longer than any human span. They appear in the human world whenever they wish, but their true home is in the otherworld or land of faerie. Although the legend makes Morgan Arthur’s half-sister, she retains her faery characteristics."
This sample (late) medieval French image may also serve as an illustration of this concept: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IRHT_17155_2_P.jpg (Lancelot being courted by "Morgaine"). 5.173.76.191 ( talk) 10:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)