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I had to edit the bit on malingering as no sources or evidence were offered. The article talked about what a physician may perceive, but this is subject and again no evidence was offered.
Dictionary.com talks about feigning illness - which I think is a better descriptor malingerer, rather than becoming academic as to "why" a person may malinger.
I have edited the article to make it more neutral. Acontributor 11:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Isn't Ganser Syndrome no longer considered factitious? Can someone clarify this? I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the Wikipedia section on Ganser's, so one or the other needs to be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.7.1 ( talk) 05:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I call on the contributor who made these excisions to return here and explain why they shouldn't be reverted. Geo Swan ( talk) 23:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know the difference between factitious disorder and malingering? From what I've read they appear to be the same...not sure if that is right though. Thanks.
In malingering the purpose of feigning the disease is to get a secondary gain (eg. getting paid for "getting injured at work"). In factitious disorder there is no actually attempt for secondary gain. It is more to get attention of sorts. AriaNo11 ( talk) 23:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Two names for the same exact thing, they should be merged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.197.20.137 ( talk) 14:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Münchhausen syndrome, factitious disorder and malingering are different disorders. While they may be difficult to differentiate, they are not the same. It is not the purpose of this article to detail these types of disorders but to discuss in detail each particular one. Moreover as Cresix explains in the preceding section above these disorders are different diagnoses based on different DSM-IV criteria. As a result there should be no such talk of merging any of these articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AriaNo11 ( talk • contribs) 19:47, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. Do not merge these articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.255.1.225 ( talk) 09:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Factitious disorders are fundamentally a mental problem, despite the repeated faking of symptoms there is no clear secondary gain. Of the factitious disorders, Munchausens is the most serious of the physical factitious disorders. Malingering is fundamentally different as it is a premeditated fraudulent behaviour for a clear seconday gain. Merging two articles that have two substantially different causes would increase confusion and decrease the clarity of the pages. As another user mentioned above, I also believe that the Cleveland Clinic (as well as the Mayo Clinic) are legitimate sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.43.188.208 ( talk) 13:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree that the articles should not be merged. A consensus has been reached, so I removed the merge template. -- momo ricks 20:19, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
There is uncited information in several sections (including the lead, "Criteria", and "Treatment of Münchausen by proxy") that appears to be incorrect. I added the "expert-subject" because the article needs help and I'm concerned about readers being misinformed -- momo ricks 20:40, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Merrimam Webster has a listing for factitious: "induced by deliberate human action with or without intention to produce a lesion or disease, e.g. factitial rectal lesions following irradiation, a factitial hyperthyroidism resulting from surreptitious ingestion of thyroid products". The first example suggests that it doesn't matter who is creating the lesion/disease, it could be health care professionals during iatrogenic effects of treatment. Lesion ( talk) 21:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
That's the definition for factitial, the entry right before factitious in Merriam-Webster. This article is about a medical condition named factitious disorder. Stephlet 05:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC) — Preceding
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it means pseudo-illness, pseudo-disease — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.78.75 ( talk) 11:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
"Andrei Szoke's Page to FD", listed under External Sources, does not exist.
Can this be somebody's idea of a joke?
David Lloyd-Jones ( talk) 13:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
" Münchausen by proxy is the involuntary use of another individual ..." is probably misleading: what I understand is that the person using another individual does so involuntarily, which contradicts the definition, while the intended meaning could be that the other individual did not consent to be used in the first place but in my opinion this would need another phrasing, e. g. "Münchausen by proxy is the use of another individual to involuntarily play the patient role". 194.174.76.21 ( talk) 11:04, 27 December 2017 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin
The correct German spelling ist Münchhausen, with "Ü" and a second "H", while the simplified, standard English spelling is Munchausen. The article has mixed correct Munchausen and some Münchausen, which ist wrong under both points of view. 194.174.76.21 ( talk) 11:28, 27 December 2017 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin
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I had to edit the bit on malingering as no sources or evidence were offered. The article talked about what a physician may perceive, but this is subject and again no evidence was offered.
Dictionary.com talks about feigning illness - which I think is a better descriptor malingerer, rather than becoming academic as to "why" a person may malinger.
I have edited the article to make it more neutral. Acontributor 11:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Isn't Ganser Syndrome no longer considered factitious? Can someone clarify this? I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the Wikipedia section on Ganser's, so one or the other needs to be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.7.1 ( talk) 05:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I call on the contributor who made these excisions to return here and explain why they shouldn't be reverted. Geo Swan ( talk) 23:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know the difference between factitious disorder and malingering? From what I've read they appear to be the same...not sure if that is right though. Thanks.
In malingering the purpose of feigning the disease is to get a secondary gain (eg. getting paid for "getting injured at work"). In factitious disorder there is no actually attempt for secondary gain. It is more to get attention of sorts. AriaNo11 ( talk) 23:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Two names for the same exact thing, they should be merged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.197.20.137 ( talk) 14:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Münchhausen syndrome, factitious disorder and malingering are different disorders. While they may be difficult to differentiate, they are not the same. It is not the purpose of this article to detail these types of disorders but to discuss in detail each particular one. Moreover as Cresix explains in the preceding section above these disorders are different diagnoses based on different DSM-IV criteria. As a result there should be no such talk of merging any of these articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AriaNo11 ( talk • contribs) 19:47, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. Do not merge these articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.255.1.225 ( talk) 09:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Factitious disorders are fundamentally a mental problem, despite the repeated faking of symptoms there is no clear secondary gain. Of the factitious disorders, Munchausens is the most serious of the physical factitious disorders. Malingering is fundamentally different as it is a premeditated fraudulent behaviour for a clear seconday gain. Merging two articles that have two substantially different causes would increase confusion and decrease the clarity of the pages. As another user mentioned above, I also believe that the Cleveland Clinic (as well as the Mayo Clinic) are legitimate sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.43.188.208 ( talk) 13:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree that the articles should not be merged. A consensus has been reached, so I removed the merge template. -- momo ricks 20:19, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
There is uncited information in several sections (including the lead, "Criteria", and "Treatment of Münchausen by proxy") that appears to be incorrect. I added the "expert-subject" because the article needs help and I'm concerned about readers being misinformed -- momo ricks 20:40, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Merrimam Webster has a listing for factitious: "induced by deliberate human action with or without intention to produce a lesion or disease, e.g. factitial rectal lesions following irradiation, a factitial hyperthyroidism resulting from surreptitious ingestion of thyroid products". The first example suggests that it doesn't matter who is creating the lesion/disease, it could be health care professionals during iatrogenic effects of treatment. Lesion ( talk) 21:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
That's the definition for factitial, the entry right before factitious in Merriam-Webster. This article is about a medical condition named factitious disorder. Stephlet 05:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Stephlet (
talk •
contribs)
it means pseudo-illness, pseudo-disease — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.78.75 ( talk) 11:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
"Andrei Szoke's Page to FD", listed under External Sources, does not exist.
Can this be somebody's idea of a joke?
David Lloyd-Jones ( talk) 13:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
" Münchausen by proxy is the involuntary use of another individual ..." is probably misleading: what I understand is that the person using another individual does so involuntarily, which contradicts the definition, while the intended meaning could be that the other individual did not consent to be used in the first place but in my opinion this would need another phrasing, e. g. "Münchausen by proxy is the use of another individual to involuntarily play the patient role". 194.174.76.21 ( talk) 11:04, 27 December 2017 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin
The correct German spelling ist Münchhausen, with "Ü" and a second "H", while the simplified, standard English spelling is Munchausen. The article has mixed correct Munchausen and some Münchausen, which ist wrong under both points of view. 194.174.76.21 ( talk) 11:28, 27 December 2017 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin