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It's interesting how the article uses language almost euphemistically. "Expulsion" is used in place of where "ethnic cleansing" would be appropriate nearly every single time; Contrast with articles dealing with the Armenian Genocide which use "harsher" language more liberally, so to speak. This article has some major issues. User: Dehler 15:04, 14 January 2020
Expulsion is used when transfered people are guilty, ethnic cleansing when transfered people are innocent. The Sudeten Germans Flocked to Hitler - Herrenvolk und Lebensraum. They were guilty.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.15.218.62 ( talk) 07:46, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
There is no such thing as collective guilt. It exists only in propaganda and such language displays inhumane thinking. And maybe you should do a little research on the Sudetendeutsche opposision to the Nazis and their fate. -- 93.203.105.178 ( talk) 14:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Supposing there were enough of them remaining.
You should do a little research on the Sudetendeutsche opposision to the Nazis and their fate in Dachau concentration camp and elsewhere during the Nazi-German occupation of the democratic Czechoslovakia. — Preceding
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It is claimed that Sudeten Germans expelled from Czechoslovakia were based on the concept of collective guilt. This is not true.
Almost every decree explicitely stated that the sanctions did not apply to anti-fascists.
About 90% of the German population of the Czech borderlands had supported the Nazi and affilation to Nazi-Germany. Some 280 000 Germans in Czechoslovakia remained Czechoslovak citizens after the transfer. — Preceding
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where Germans had historically lived who were then forcibly removed; so expulsion? This entire discussion is flawed because expulsion is a form of ethnic cleansing in the same way population exchange (e.g. Population exchange between Greece and Turkey) is a form of ethnic cleansing in the same way genocide is a form of ethnic cleansing. The full definition of ethnic cleansing is
the attempt to get rid of—through deportation, displacement or even mass killing—members of an unwanted ethnic group(emphasis mine). Curbon7 ( talk) 19:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
What's up with the genocide denial in this article? 2003:C0:F720:F000:389F:2BEB:D917:7561 ( talk) 08:14, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
No one has denied Holocaust in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.15.223.133 ( talk) 12:01, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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I have heard some Germans referring to the "trail of tears" and I doubt that they were referring to the one in America as they were talking about WW2. Could they be referring to the ethnic cleansing of Germans in 1945? 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:6DFA:8BC8:9F2C:8F40 ( talk) 09:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm checking the sources for this number. The third source, Bernd Faulenbach puts the number at 2 million. The second source is a politician giving the 2.5 number in an interview, this isn't reliable by itself. The first source just lists a book with no page number, so this isn't verifiable.
I propose to list the maximum as 2 million, as that's what the reliable source states. Thanks. Stix1776 ( talk) 15:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
In contrast to expulsions from other nations or states, the expulsion of the Germans from Hungary was dictated from outside Hungary. The section mixes the term "forced labor" with expulsion. Approximately 200 000 civilian Hungarian citizens were deported to the Soviet Union as forced laborers irrespective of their ethnicity/nationality. It's not to be mixed with the expulsion of the ethnic Germans to Germany. For the expulsion there was no "dictate from outside Hungary". The source of this information in the article is inactive. Hagnes2002 ( talk) 10:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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It's interesting how the article uses language almost euphemistically. "Expulsion" is used in place of where "ethnic cleansing" would be appropriate nearly every single time; Contrast with articles dealing with the Armenian Genocide which use "harsher" language more liberally, so to speak. This article has some major issues. User: Dehler 15:04, 14 January 2020
Expulsion is used when transfered people are guilty, ethnic cleansing when transfered people are innocent. The Sudeten Germans Flocked to Hitler - Herrenvolk und Lebensraum. They were guilty.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.15.218.62 ( talk) 07:46, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
There is no such thing as collective guilt. It exists only in propaganda and such language displays inhumane thinking. And maybe you should do a little research on the Sudetendeutsche opposision to the Nazis and their fate. -- 93.203.105.178 ( talk) 14:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Supposing there were enough of them remaining.
You should do a little research on the Sudetendeutsche opposision to the Nazis and their fate in Dachau concentration camp and elsewhere during the Nazi-German occupation of the democratic Czechoslovakia. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
171.23.6.193 (
talk) 14:52, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
It is claimed that Sudeten Germans expelled from Czechoslovakia were based on the concept of collective guilt. This is not true.
Almost every decree explicitely stated that the sanctions did not apply to anti-fascists.
About 90% of the German population of the Czech borderlands had supported the Nazi and affilation to Nazi-Germany. Some 280 000 Germans in Czechoslovakia remained Czechoslovak citizens after the transfer. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
171.23.6.193 (
talk) 15:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
where Germans had historically lived who were then forcibly removed; so expulsion? This entire discussion is flawed because expulsion is a form of ethnic cleansing in the same way population exchange (e.g. Population exchange between Greece and Turkey) is a form of ethnic cleansing in the same way genocide is a form of ethnic cleansing. The full definition of ethnic cleansing is
the attempt to get rid of—through deportation, displacement or even mass killing—members of an unwanted ethnic group(emphasis mine). Curbon7 ( talk) 19:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
What's up with the genocide denial in this article? 2003:C0:F720:F000:389F:2BEB:D917:7561 ( talk) 08:14, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
No one has denied Holocaust in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.15.223.133 ( talk) 12:01, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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I have heard some Germans referring to the "trail of tears" and I doubt that they were referring to the one in America as they were talking about WW2. Could they be referring to the ethnic cleansing of Germans in 1945? 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:6DFA:8BC8:9F2C:8F40 ( talk) 09:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm checking the sources for this number. The third source, Bernd Faulenbach puts the number at 2 million. The second source is a politician giving the 2.5 number in an interview, this isn't reliable by itself. The first source just lists a book with no page number, so this isn't verifiable.
I propose to list the maximum as 2 million, as that's what the reliable source states. Thanks. Stix1776 ( talk) 15:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
In contrast to expulsions from other nations or states, the expulsion of the Germans from Hungary was dictated from outside Hungary. The section mixes the term "forced labor" with expulsion. Approximately 200 000 civilian Hungarian citizens were deported to the Soviet Union as forced laborers irrespective of their ethnicity/nationality. It's not to be mixed with the expulsion of the ethnic Germans to Germany. For the expulsion there was no "dictate from outside Hungary". The source of this information in the article is inactive. Hagnes2002 ( talk) 10:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)