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Shouldn't source text belong somewhere else? -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo stick 01:07 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
An anonymous editor added this to the article
Is there any documentation of this, or is it only "some speculation"? Frjwoolley 16:36, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
considering the hundreds that did diein the internment camps , did this really help out the one ore two people that would've been saved from racial attacks? or was this just to protect the government from terrorist attacks such as those witnessed recently around the world.
Please sign your comments by adding four ~'s to the end of your comment, like this: ~ ~ ~ ~ (taking out the spaces inbetween the ~'s). 169.229.121.94 01:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
It's my understanding, though I can't remember where I came across it, that John DeWitt, commanding General of the Pacific military district (cast defense and such) was the main factor in inducing Roosevelt to sign this. it is further my understanding that he lied and misrepresented, in a racist way (for personal reasons?), to make his case. If this is correct, in whole or part, it should be included here. Anyone got a citation, some source material, more info on DeWitt's actions or attitudes, Roosevelt's views on Fifth column stuff prior to the agitation for removal, ... Note that the area with the highest Japanes ancestry population (certainly in proportion if not absolute numbers) was Hawaii, and internment was very different and less strict there, with no protest from those responsible for its security.
We've got what seems to be a large missign bit here, people. Help?! ww 13:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
The raceism twords these two groups, still evident today, is down-played in this article.
ummm, one of those references was a dead link and a pair of them were simply linking to different parts of the same page. not to mention that upon reading the article it talks of internment of German/Italian nationals in one and German/Italian sailors and residents of south American nations in the other. BTW the racisms directed towards German and Italian Americans tends to be “downplayed” because its not as overt, widespread or serious as that directed towards people of color.
In this page's Exclusion under Executive Order 9066, lists 120,000 Japanese Americans interned. The remaining internees included about 11,000 people of German ancestry and 3,000 people of Italian ancestry, making about 9.5% of internees of European descent, which is probably why it's "downplayed". Steelsilkfan ( talk) 19:32, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it's so much downplayed, as no one has written a lot that specifically deals with 9066 and italians or germans. I have done a lot of research on the Italian-American internment, but I haven't contributed much to this article. I usually contribute to the main article. I doubt anyone here would revert anyone adding valuable content about their experiences with citations. There are great books about it. @Steelsilkfan, Southern Italians were definitely people of colour around the time of the internment. One look at the documents from DeWitt (a total racist) or the the California House Delegation's letter and it becomes clear of that status as PoC in many participants minds. That even could be included here if someone cares to document it correctly. -- Paolorausch ( talk) 08:20, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Also, do we or do we not need sources for the part where it states how many Italian American and German Americans were interned? It seems suspiciously citation-less at the moment. Jackalopeicus ( talk) 08:25, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Following the link on this page to J Edgar Hoover leads to an article that says he was one of the most vocal supporters of internment. If the statement in this article is correct, then clearly some additional detail is needed. Did he change from opposing to supporting internment?
“ | Losses incurred by those affected during this time were estimated in the billions of dollars. | ” |
Some quick math will show how this remark is just plain wrong. 130,000 people were effected by this order. If you accept the premise of the above line then $2,000,000,000/130,000=$16000 per person in 1941 dollars was lost. That is $16000, for each man, woman, and child. A family of four would have lost $64,000 during a time when the United States was still feeling the effects of the "Great Depression". How is this possible? Without a citation, I suggest that this line be removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.101.93 ( talk) 06:08, 30 September 2006
shouldn't this just merge with Japanese American internment? Rds865 ( talk) 23:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is there a request for photos for this article? We already have a photo of the executive order. If this article is about the order and not the internment itself, what other photos would we use? Inks.LWC ( talk) 09:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This sentence is factually incorrect:
“ | United States Executive Order 9066 was a presidential executive order issued during World War II by U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, using his authority as Commander-in-Chief to exercise war powers to send ethnic groups to internment camps. | ” |
At no time in U.S. history has the President ever had or used the power as Commander-in-Chief to intern Americans by their racial background. Therefore, it is not a part of his authority in the historical sense. This executive order is not regarded by any constitutional authorities to be a valid power for the President. The sentence needs to be changed. MattFoley Motivational Speaker ( talk) 04:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Were any other Axis nationalities (e.g. Bulgarian, Romanian, Finnish, etc.) affected by the order? If so, it might be worth noting. Surv1v4l1st ( Talk| Contribs) 23:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
In an article by John Tateishi and William Yoshino (2000) published in Human Rights, it is mentioned that the JACL was responsible for pushing the government into creating the CWRIC. Should this be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marunabe ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC) hi the people died 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.119.193 ( talk) 14:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
The article doesn't state where the authority to make Executive Order 9066 came from. Which statute was the president acting under?
Or did the president claim to be exercising a decree power inherent to the office of "commander-in-chief"?
78.16.25.242 ( talk) 16:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The numbers cited in this article conflict with the numbers listed on this web page: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5154/ , which states that 11,000 Germans and 3,200 Italians were arrested, but only 5,000 and 300 were actually interned. Can someone check other sources to confirm which numbers are most accurate? Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 12:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
It is not yet possible-and may never be-to give precise figures, but the best "guesstimate" of the total number of resident "alien enemies" actually interned under Roosevelt's order of December 7th and 8th is something under 11,000 persons, about one percent of the total number of enemy aliens. By ethnicity some 8,000 Japanese, 2,300 Germans, and a few hundred Italians were actually interned.Many more-largely Germans and Italians-were arrested and held in custody for days and even weeks without being officially interned. Note that these figures amounted to about twelve percent of alien Japanese, about six/tenths of one percent of alien Germans, and less than one-one hundredth of one percent of alien Italians.
— Roger Daniels, "Incarceration of Japanese Americans: A Sixty Year Perspective", The History Teacher, Vol. 35. No. 3 (May 2002): 297-310, 300
FiachraByrne ( talk) 19:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
such as
- a reference citation for Executive Order 9066 itself,
- a tally of how many Japanese-Americans were interned (another editor gave those figures for the German-Americans and Italian-Americans interned, which seems to me to imply the Japanese-Americans weren't worth counting, even though they were the predominant nationality interned under EO 9066),
- a reference citation for the University of California's Japanese American Relocation Digital Archives (JARDA), which supports the
- information on the number of Japanese Americans interned as well as short paragraphs on the conditions under which they were interned, and their fate after World War 2.
loupgarous ( talk) 13:55, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
The article now reads:
"On August 10, 1988, the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, based on the CWRIC recommendations, was signed into law by Ronald Reagan. On November 21, 1989, George H. W. Bush signed an appropriation bill authorizing payments to be paid out between 1990 and 1998. In 1990, surviving internees began to receive individual redress payments and a letter of apology. This bill only applied to the Japanese Americans."
In fact, the boldfaced part of the article quoted above is in error.
Title II of this Act specifically sets up restitution to the members of the Aleut people who were relocated from their homes in the Aleutian Islands in Alaska under Executive Order 9066.
I have changed the article to reflect that fact. loupgarous ( talk) 17:16, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Previously, the article lacked headings for sections prior to "Post World War Two," which had the "Contents" table two-thirds of the way down the article, once new material was added.
So I added headings for:
I wonder if we ought to add material regarding the Constitutionality of Executive Order 9066... the Justice Department was almost totally excluded from any significant role in executing the order, and this probably relates to objections the Attorney-General of the United States (head of the Justice Department) had to forcible relocation of the Japanese population of the US on moral and legal grounds.
That change I'll put off pending discussion here in the talk page, because it's pretty significant. Nowadays, we have a similar legal crisis surrounding executive orders and what limits ought to exist on their use, bipartisan in that prominent critics of George W. Bush are also criticizing Barack H. Obama on his use or abuse of the executive order. Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066 is a relevant case study in that discussion. loupgarous ( talk) 17:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Recent edits to remove IA/GA from the article does reinforce the idea that maybe we should add some more context from their individual pages to this article as well. People seem to think it's a means of minimising the JA internment rather than as a place to start to learn about the way that the GA/IA communities were also affected by EO9066. Paolorausch ( talk) 12:23, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
What does WRA stand for? Grassynoel ( talk) 19:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Some leaders of the JACL agreed with internment as a means of protection if the US were to go to war with japan, during WW2 but before the bombing of pearl harbor. (I'm having trouble finding a source for this, this is FOAA stuff though and I know it's in a book, if someone could help me that would be great)
Some nikkei evacuated to other states and not all were interned in camps. During the evacuation, some japanese americans (and the JACL in part) sided against those resisting the draft out of fear that could get deported in mass, if later deemed unloyal, and that ultimately, it was to show their loyalty, according to an ex-president of the fresno JACL. [1] DarmaniLink ( talk) 06:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Currently, it reads "On February 19, 1824, President Franklin D. Executive Order 9066 became Roosevelt's special order during World War II. They were then brought across the river to Japan, where other Americans were born and raised in the United States.
In general, Asian Americans are more likely to be incarcerated than African Americans in the same population. Executive Order 2526 of 1798 for Germany and the United States was part of the Immigration and Nationality Act."
Literally, what? 209.234.74.183 ( talk) 20:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Please remove the term "concentration" from the line "Roosevelt wanted to put Japanese in concentration camps in Hawaii. This is incredibly untrue and misleading . Concentration camps are far different from and worse than internment camps. The bias in this article is mind-blowing. 2600:1700:FCA:5E00:55A8:F223:46C6:EF59 ( talk) 03:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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Shouldn't source text belong somewhere else? -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo stick 01:07 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
An anonymous editor added this to the article
Is there any documentation of this, or is it only "some speculation"? Frjwoolley 16:36, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
considering the hundreds that did diein the internment camps , did this really help out the one ore two people that would've been saved from racial attacks? or was this just to protect the government from terrorist attacks such as those witnessed recently around the world.
Please sign your comments by adding four ~'s to the end of your comment, like this: ~ ~ ~ ~ (taking out the spaces inbetween the ~'s). 169.229.121.94 01:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
It's my understanding, though I can't remember where I came across it, that John DeWitt, commanding General of the Pacific military district (cast defense and such) was the main factor in inducing Roosevelt to sign this. it is further my understanding that he lied and misrepresented, in a racist way (for personal reasons?), to make his case. If this is correct, in whole or part, it should be included here. Anyone got a citation, some source material, more info on DeWitt's actions or attitudes, Roosevelt's views on Fifth column stuff prior to the agitation for removal, ... Note that the area with the highest Japanes ancestry population (certainly in proportion if not absolute numbers) was Hawaii, and internment was very different and less strict there, with no protest from those responsible for its security.
We've got what seems to be a large missign bit here, people. Help?! ww 13:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
The raceism twords these two groups, still evident today, is down-played in this article.
ummm, one of those references was a dead link and a pair of them were simply linking to different parts of the same page. not to mention that upon reading the article it talks of internment of German/Italian nationals in one and German/Italian sailors and residents of south American nations in the other. BTW the racisms directed towards German and Italian Americans tends to be “downplayed” because its not as overt, widespread or serious as that directed towards people of color.
In this page's Exclusion under Executive Order 9066, lists 120,000 Japanese Americans interned. The remaining internees included about 11,000 people of German ancestry and 3,000 people of Italian ancestry, making about 9.5% of internees of European descent, which is probably why it's "downplayed". Steelsilkfan ( talk) 19:32, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it's so much downplayed, as no one has written a lot that specifically deals with 9066 and italians or germans. I have done a lot of research on the Italian-American internment, but I haven't contributed much to this article. I usually contribute to the main article. I doubt anyone here would revert anyone adding valuable content about their experiences with citations. There are great books about it. @Steelsilkfan, Southern Italians were definitely people of colour around the time of the internment. One look at the documents from DeWitt (a total racist) or the the California House Delegation's letter and it becomes clear of that status as PoC in many participants minds. That even could be included here if someone cares to document it correctly. -- Paolorausch ( talk) 08:20, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Also, do we or do we not need sources for the part where it states how many Italian American and German Americans were interned? It seems suspiciously citation-less at the moment. Jackalopeicus ( talk) 08:25, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Following the link on this page to J Edgar Hoover leads to an article that says he was one of the most vocal supporters of internment. If the statement in this article is correct, then clearly some additional detail is needed. Did he change from opposing to supporting internment?
“ | Losses incurred by those affected during this time were estimated in the billions of dollars. | ” |
Some quick math will show how this remark is just plain wrong. 130,000 people were effected by this order. If you accept the premise of the above line then $2,000,000,000/130,000=$16000 per person in 1941 dollars was lost. That is $16000, for each man, woman, and child. A family of four would have lost $64,000 during a time when the United States was still feeling the effects of the "Great Depression". How is this possible? Without a citation, I suggest that this line be removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.101.93 ( talk) 06:08, 30 September 2006
shouldn't this just merge with Japanese American internment? Rds865 ( talk) 23:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is there a request for photos for this article? We already have a photo of the executive order. If this article is about the order and not the internment itself, what other photos would we use? Inks.LWC ( talk) 09:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This sentence is factually incorrect:
“ | United States Executive Order 9066 was a presidential executive order issued during World War II by U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, using his authority as Commander-in-Chief to exercise war powers to send ethnic groups to internment camps. | ” |
At no time in U.S. history has the President ever had or used the power as Commander-in-Chief to intern Americans by their racial background. Therefore, it is not a part of his authority in the historical sense. This executive order is not regarded by any constitutional authorities to be a valid power for the President. The sentence needs to be changed. MattFoley Motivational Speaker ( talk) 04:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Were any other Axis nationalities (e.g. Bulgarian, Romanian, Finnish, etc.) affected by the order? If so, it might be worth noting. Surv1v4l1st ( Talk| Contribs) 23:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
In an article by John Tateishi and William Yoshino (2000) published in Human Rights, it is mentioned that the JACL was responsible for pushing the government into creating the CWRIC. Should this be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marunabe ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC) hi the people died 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.119.193 ( talk) 14:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
The article doesn't state where the authority to make Executive Order 9066 came from. Which statute was the president acting under?
Or did the president claim to be exercising a decree power inherent to the office of "commander-in-chief"?
78.16.25.242 ( talk) 16:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The numbers cited in this article conflict with the numbers listed on this web page: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5154/ , which states that 11,000 Germans and 3,200 Italians were arrested, but only 5,000 and 300 were actually interned. Can someone check other sources to confirm which numbers are most accurate? Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 12:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
It is not yet possible-and may never be-to give precise figures, but the best "guesstimate" of the total number of resident "alien enemies" actually interned under Roosevelt's order of December 7th and 8th is something under 11,000 persons, about one percent of the total number of enemy aliens. By ethnicity some 8,000 Japanese, 2,300 Germans, and a few hundred Italians were actually interned.Many more-largely Germans and Italians-were arrested and held in custody for days and even weeks without being officially interned. Note that these figures amounted to about twelve percent of alien Japanese, about six/tenths of one percent of alien Germans, and less than one-one hundredth of one percent of alien Italians.
— Roger Daniels, "Incarceration of Japanese Americans: A Sixty Year Perspective", The History Teacher, Vol. 35. No. 3 (May 2002): 297-310, 300
FiachraByrne ( talk) 19:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
such as
- a reference citation for Executive Order 9066 itself,
- a tally of how many Japanese-Americans were interned (another editor gave those figures for the German-Americans and Italian-Americans interned, which seems to me to imply the Japanese-Americans weren't worth counting, even though they were the predominant nationality interned under EO 9066),
- a reference citation for the University of California's Japanese American Relocation Digital Archives (JARDA), which supports the
- information on the number of Japanese Americans interned as well as short paragraphs on the conditions under which they were interned, and their fate after World War 2.
loupgarous ( talk) 13:55, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
The article now reads:
"On August 10, 1988, the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, based on the CWRIC recommendations, was signed into law by Ronald Reagan. On November 21, 1989, George H. W. Bush signed an appropriation bill authorizing payments to be paid out between 1990 and 1998. In 1990, surviving internees began to receive individual redress payments and a letter of apology. This bill only applied to the Japanese Americans."
In fact, the boldfaced part of the article quoted above is in error.
Title II of this Act specifically sets up restitution to the members of the Aleut people who were relocated from their homes in the Aleutian Islands in Alaska under Executive Order 9066.
I have changed the article to reflect that fact. loupgarous ( talk) 17:16, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Previously, the article lacked headings for sections prior to "Post World War Two," which had the "Contents" table two-thirds of the way down the article, once new material was added.
So I added headings for:
I wonder if we ought to add material regarding the Constitutionality of Executive Order 9066... the Justice Department was almost totally excluded from any significant role in executing the order, and this probably relates to objections the Attorney-General of the United States (head of the Justice Department) had to forcible relocation of the Japanese population of the US on moral and legal grounds.
That change I'll put off pending discussion here in the talk page, because it's pretty significant. Nowadays, we have a similar legal crisis surrounding executive orders and what limits ought to exist on their use, bipartisan in that prominent critics of George W. Bush are also criticizing Barack H. Obama on his use or abuse of the executive order. Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066 is a relevant case study in that discussion. loupgarous ( talk) 17:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Recent edits to remove IA/GA from the article does reinforce the idea that maybe we should add some more context from their individual pages to this article as well. People seem to think it's a means of minimising the JA internment rather than as a place to start to learn about the way that the GA/IA communities were also affected by EO9066. Paolorausch ( talk) 12:23, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
What does WRA stand for? Grassynoel ( talk) 19:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Some leaders of the JACL agreed with internment as a means of protection if the US were to go to war with japan, during WW2 but before the bombing of pearl harbor. (I'm having trouble finding a source for this, this is FOAA stuff though and I know it's in a book, if someone could help me that would be great)
Some nikkei evacuated to other states and not all were interned in camps. During the evacuation, some japanese americans (and the JACL in part) sided against those resisting the draft out of fear that could get deported in mass, if later deemed unloyal, and that ultimately, it was to show their loyalty, according to an ex-president of the fresno JACL. [1] DarmaniLink ( talk) 06:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Currently, it reads "On February 19, 1824, President Franklin D. Executive Order 9066 became Roosevelt's special order during World War II. They were then brought across the river to Japan, where other Americans were born and raised in the United States.
In general, Asian Americans are more likely to be incarcerated than African Americans in the same population. Executive Order 2526 of 1798 for Germany and the United States was part of the Immigration and Nationality Act."
Literally, what? 209.234.74.183 ( talk) 20:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Please remove the term "concentration" from the line "Roosevelt wanted to put Japanese in concentration camps in Hawaii. This is incredibly untrue and misleading . Concentration camps are far different from and worse than internment camps. The bias in this article is mind-blowing. 2600:1700:FCA:5E00:55A8:F223:46C6:EF59 ( talk) 03:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
This article is currently the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 January 2024 and 10 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Quoncen ( article contribs).
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