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I was playing 5ctj and... I think these two should link to each other... being essentially... yeah... what I see as things relating to the same event. I didn't fully read the link I'm posting so forgive me if I'm being ignorant on the subject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Mubahila 71.240.69.83 ( talk) 04:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
@ User:Sa.vakilian I'm going to improve the article using the secondary sources. This way, the article has a good chance of being kept. Please help by introducing facts from authentic secondary sources. Mhhossein ( talk) 18:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
@ Mhhossein, Madelung describes the event in his work , "Succession to Muhammad" pages 15 and 16. You can add the story and remove original research tag. Thanks. [1]-- Seyyed( t- c) 12:15, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
@ sa.vakilian I think we'd better move the page to "Verse of Mubahila" because the verse, its interpretation and circumstances of its revelation are much more important. By the way, we can keep the hadith section. Mhhossein ( talk) 14:14, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Good idea.-- Seyyed( t- c) 02:02, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Sa.vakilian and MezzoMezzo: I read all of the three inter-related articles ( Eid al-Mubahila, Mubahala and Event of Mubahala). As I told you before, there are repeated materials in these three articles and we could exchange materials between them. On the other hand, I tried to merge them into one article under the title "event of Mubahalah" in my sandbox. This article is a summation of those three articles. If we conclude to have this article, the former Mubahala will not have nothing new except the The Quran and Dialogue subsection and Eid al-Mubahila will be entirely useless. In whole, I'm proposing to have this article instead of the former three articles. Thanks. Mhhossein ( talk) 12:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Hadi.anani: Salaam. The parts you added is long and tangentially related to the article. Also the topics would better change. So, please summarize the paragraph under "Qur'an and Dialogue" and choose a better name for them. Mhhossein ( talk) 05:19, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I have a question:
Who relayed / reported the conversation the Christians were having amongst themselves to the Muslims? There is no named person who shared what was being discussed in the Christian tents. My reason in pointing this out is that one of the teachings of Yeshua HaMashiach is the following:
But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. [Luke 6: 27-28 [1]]
The same message was later repeated in the letter to the Romans:
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. [Romans 12: 14 [2]]
I wonder why the Christians from Najran would have agreed to call down curses on Muhammad, or anyone else for that matter, as this is against the teaching of Christ and not in the Way of love. This begs the question as to who relayed / reported the dialogue the Christians were having.
It is quoted in al-Tafsir of al-Tha’labi: When they were alone, they asked al-'Aqib... so we can see this source testifies they spoke amongst themselves. How can anyone have known what they were discussing "when they were alone?" If they were alone, who then is the person(s) who testified or bore witness to what they actually decided to do and say the next day? -- HafizHanif ( talk) 03:01, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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@ Mild Bill Hiccup: I noticed your useful edit here. Can it be said that the statement can be attributed to "Sidney H. Griffith" as the Ref suggests? Mhhossein ( talk) 17:51, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I think the lead regarding "the call" and "evocation" is unclear, instead of specifying the invocation is the calling of a curse plainly and simply (what is later eventually mentioned). I find this unwise and not useful, and possibly misleading for the casual reader who would only read the lead as a summary of the article's meaning / definition.
So I think it prudent to insert clarifying words found in the body of the article to explaining clearly what mubahala is, which would shed light on the significance of the event.
Also, I had mentioned concerns some time ago that went unanswered by those who follow this article. Perhaps after reading this talk page entry my concerns can be responded to. -- HafizHanif ( talk) 02:45, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
This article has been on my shortlist to correct and clarify.
I'm going to perform:
- citation updates (removing poor or unqualified citations)
- clarify what the 'event' really was about prior to Islam / Muhammad
- showcase its historical significance
- make such clarifications in the lead and body of article
Anyone interested is welcomed to discuss and assist in pulling out what scholarship and historical dates have to show. -- HafizHanif ( talk) 21:21, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Going to also be removing repetitions. It seems specific perspectives have been woven into the article over time, a manner of arguing over minutiae, so highlighting the basic narrative is what I'm going to do. I think contrast, since it was a Muslim - Christian event, should be highlighted. I placed the citations in the lead into the body of the article. If other editors would like to elaborate the minute differences or arguments between the two branches of the religion, feel free to do so in their proper section. In other words, please do not weave into the article a Shia- or Sunni-leaning viewpoint. -- HafizHanif ( talk) 14:48, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits. Sunni view certainly is needed to balance the article if there are opposing views. Btw, when working on such articles, please consider breaking such mass edits into three or more parts. Tracking and possible modifications are easier in this manner. -- Mhhossein talk 18:39, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate you Eperoton ( talk) pointing out the obvious even further. Again, and as already explained, what people believe is what seems 'real' to them. This is evident in every part of life (politics, science, religion, self identity, etc.). As to whether reality or Providence would do, allow, reveal, etc. (regardless if people believe in God or not), will be interpreted according to people's perceptions of what is true. If the reports are to be taken seriously, or at least recollecting an actual event, albeit with embellishment, we then see the logical interpretation of events as they've been understood. On one hand, taking the story as actually having occurred, Muhammad does initiate the curse by claiming to be revealing God's will and words, and that God now asks people to be cursed (contrary to Christian ethics, which is never mentioned in this one-sided accounting). It is like a fight was about to break out, but only one party was the instigator / belligerent, thus only that party was the one having an issue, and the one who fell into dishonor (regardless how they perceived their actions as 'just', 'granted by God', whatever). Thus, the issue and perceived outcome was brought upon himself, and history isn't without its share of irony. But alas, this isn't a forum as you mentioned, and the things derived from this event point again to the obvious (this story's elaborations most likely were an effort to make sense of Muhammad's poetry and as a support to his claimed legitimacy and that of his relatives; an attempt to build a dynasty that is still being contested today within that ideology). Cheers. -- HafizHanif ( talk) 15:01, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
During the June visit, the children said the lady told them to say the Rosary daily in honor of Our Lady of the Rosary to obtain peace and the end of the Great War. (Three weeks earlier, on 21 April, the first contingent of Portuguese soldiers had embarked for the front lines of the war.) The lady also purportedly revealed to the children a vision of hell, and entrusted a secret to them, described as "good for some and bad for others".[4]
I noticed a contradiction here between sources. More soon ... Leo1pard ( talk) 08:35, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Emir of Wikipedia: Basically, I was talking about the hadith in the Twelver Shi'ite book, Bihar al-Anwar, that says that Fatimah was the only woman present at the Mubahalah, and the the Quran, which said that more than one woman was supposed to be present there, and maybe the second reference [1] that I put for the hadith, in the third paragraph, is unnecessary. Leo1pard ( talk) 06:49, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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Does anyone know of any reliable sources that mention the fact that not long after this mubahala cursing incident Muhammad and his daughter died, not to mention that decades later Ali was assassinated, Husayn murdered and Hassan removed (and poisoned to death, according to Shiites) from any leadership role within the nascent Muslim empire? This could be an interesting avenue to explore since Muhammad staked his legitimacy in this cursing incident yet it seemed to backfire, which would prove his illegitimacy. Such info could be added if reliable sources could be found. -- 121.189.72.182 ( talk) 09:51, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Taken from my post here: First you sought to remove a suggestion i made on Event of Mubahala talk page here; now you seek to undo my fact-checking edit on the actual article's page using a false excuse. You said in the edit summary: It says "or they emphasize more". Well sir, that is clear misrepresentation of the actual quote, which says: "while the above rituals are celebrated by sunnis and twelve-imam shiis, there are others that are celebrated exclusively by the shia, or that they emphasize more than the sunnis. these holidays include the birth and death anniversaries of muhammad, his daughter fatima, and the twelve imams (or sacred leaders) of shiism. The shia also celebrate other significant occurrences, such as muhammad's public declaration of ali as successor at ghadir khumm near mecca during the prophet's final pilgrimage; the meeting between muhammad, his family, and the christians from najraan at mubahila; and ..." It is clear that mubahala is seperated from sunni observance. I can understand if shia desire to deceptively paint an exclusively shia practice as somehow having wider islamic currency and legitimacy, just don't try repeatedly to fool someone that has more than one brain cell. -- 121.87.204.75 ( talk) 11:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Emir of Wikipedia: I don't know if you are being deliberately provocative but you're really pushing your luck. Where in your Gibb cite does it say as you claim that Sunnis celebrate it? Your page reference provided doesn't say that? Can you please provide the specific quote? Then you have the audacity, under the Eid al-Mubahalah sub-section to say "Eid al-Mubahalah is an annual Sunni Muslim commemoration of Mubahala." You completely ignore mentioning Shia! This seems more a case of a hasty and miserably failed attempt at revenge than truthful editing. If you provide no evidence from your Gibb source as i asked and continue upon your vendetta then i will bring more attention to your sour, deceitful behaviour. -- 121.87.204.75 ( talk) 14:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I'd like some clarity as to what is disputed regarding a recent edit I made. Is it the dates of birth and death? Would dates be important in this article? I think so. The issue of timing between the curse and the man's death has been discussed, so let's gather a consensus as to a) agreed-upon date of death for the man, and b) why would date of death be unreasonable to be include seeing they are only 27 visible characters.
(c. 570 AD – 8 June 632 AD) [1] -- HafizHanif ( talk) 15:58, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
WP:SILENCE does not apply as there is no consensus. Other articles are irrelevant as per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Mhhossein would you care to weigh in on the matter? Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 17:01, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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Way too many unreliable sources on this page. I hope to edit the article in the near future with the aim of improving its prose and replacing or removing such sources. Albertatiran ( talk) 16:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Albertatiran: Hi, you have changed the title and I think the current one is not really fitting WP:TITLE. The previous one, i.e. "The event of Mubahala", was both concise and recognizable. Do you know any other notable Mubahala events being recorded in the history? Mhhossein talk 21:30, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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I was playing 5ctj and... I think these two should link to each other... being essentially... yeah... what I see as things relating to the same event. I didn't fully read the link I'm posting so forgive me if I'm being ignorant on the subject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Mubahila 71.240.69.83 ( talk) 04:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
@ User:Sa.vakilian I'm going to improve the article using the secondary sources. This way, the article has a good chance of being kept. Please help by introducing facts from authentic secondary sources. Mhhossein ( talk) 18:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
@ Mhhossein, Madelung describes the event in his work , "Succession to Muhammad" pages 15 and 16. You can add the story and remove original research tag. Thanks. [1]-- Seyyed( t- c) 12:15, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
@ sa.vakilian I think we'd better move the page to "Verse of Mubahila" because the verse, its interpretation and circumstances of its revelation are much more important. By the way, we can keep the hadith section. Mhhossein ( talk) 14:14, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Good idea.-- Seyyed( t- c) 02:02, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Sa.vakilian and MezzoMezzo: I read all of the three inter-related articles ( Eid al-Mubahila, Mubahala and Event of Mubahala). As I told you before, there are repeated materials in these three articles and we could exchange materials between them. On the other hand, I tried to merge them into one article under the title "event of Mubahalah" in my sandbox. This article is a summation of those three articles. If we conclude to have this article, the former Mubahala will not have nothing new except the The Quran and Dialogue subsection and Eid al-Mubahila will be entirely useless. In whole, I'm proposing to have this article instead of the former three articles. Thanks. Mhhossein ( talk) 12:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Hadi.anani: Salaam. The parts you added is long and tangentially related to the article. Also the topics would better change. So, please summarize the paragraph under "Qur'an and Dialogue" and choose a better name for them. Mhhossein ( talk) 05:19, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I have a question:
Who relayed / reported the conversation the Christians were having amongst themselves to the Muslims? There is no named person who shared what was being discussed in the Christian tents. My reason in pointing this out is that one of the teachings of Yeshua HaMashiach is the following:
But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. [Luke 6: 27-28 [1]]
The same message was later repeated in the letter to the Romans:
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. [Romans 12: 14 [2]]
I wonder why the Christians from Najran would have agreed to call down curses on Muhammad, or anyone else for that matter, as this is against the teaching of Christ and not in the Way of love. This begs the question as to who relayed / reported the dialogue the Christians were having.
It is quoted in al-Tafsir of al-Tha’labi: When they were alone, they asked al-'Aqib... so we can see this source testifies they spoke amongst themselves. How can anyone have known what they were discussing "when they were alone?" If they were alone, who then is the person(s) who testified or bore witness to what they actually decided to do and say the next day? -- HafizHanif ( talk) 03:01, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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@ Mild Bill Hiccup: I noticed your useful edit here. Can it be said that the statement can be attributed to "Sidney H. Griffith" as the Ref suggests? Mhhossein ( talk) 17:51, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I think the lead regarding "the call" and "evocation" is unclear, instead of specifying the invocation is the calling of a curse plainly and simply (what is later eventually mentioned). I find this unwise and not useful, and possibly misleading for the casual reader who would only read the lead as a summary of the article's meaning / definition.
So I think it prudent to insert clarifying words found in the body of the article to explaining clearly what mubahala is, which would shed light on the significance of the event.
Also, I had mentioned concerns some time ago that went unanswered by those who follow this article. Perhaps after reading this talk page entry my concerns can be responded to. -- HafizHanif ( talk) 02:45, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
This article has been on my shortlist to correct and clarify.
I'm going to perform:
- citation updates (removing poor or unqualified citations)
- clarify what the 'event' really was about prior to Islam / Muhammad
- showcase its historical significance
- make such clarifications in the lead and body of article
Anyone interested is welcomed to discuss and assist in pulling out what scholarship and historical dates have to show. -- HafizHanif ( talk) 21:21, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Going to also be removing repetitions. It seems specific perspectives have been woven into the article over time, a manner of arguing over minutiae, so highlighting the basic narrative is what I'm going to do. I think contrast, since it was a Muslim - Christian event, should be highlighted. I placed the citations in the lead into the body of the article. If other editors would like to elaborate the minute differences or arguments between the two branches of the religion, feel free to do so in their proper section. In other words, please do not weave into the article a Shia- or Sunni-leaning viewpoint. -- HafizHanif ( talk) 14:48, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits. Sunni view certainly is needed to balance the article if there are opposing views. Btw, when working on such articles, please consider breaking such mass edits into three or more parts. Tracking and possible modifications are easier in this manner. -- Mhhossein talk 18:39, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate you Eperoton ( talk) pointing out the obvious even further. Again, and as already explained, what people believe is what seems 'real' to them. This is evident in every part of life (politics, science, religion, self identity, etc.). As to whether reality or Providence would do, allow, reveal, etc. (regardless if people believe in God or not), will be interpreted according to people's perceptions of what is true. If the reports are to be taken seriously, or at least recollecting an actual event, albeit with embellishment, we then see the logical interpretation of events as they've been understood. On one hand, taking the story as actually having occurred, Muhammad does initiate the curse by claiming to be revealing God's will and words, and that God now asks people to be cursed (contrary to Christian ethics, which is never mentioned in this one-sided accounting). It is like a fight was about to break out, but only one party was the instigator / belligerent, thus only that party was the one having an issue, and the one who fell into dishonor (regardless how they perceived their actions as 'just', 'granted by God', whatever). Thus, the issue and perceived outcome was brought upon himself, and history isn't without its share of irony. But alas, this isn't a forum as you mentioned, and the things derived from this event point again to the obvious (this story's elaborations most likely were an effort to make sense of Muhammad's poetry and as a support to his claimed legitimacy and that of his relatives; an attempt to build a dynasty that is still being contested today within that ideology). Cheers. -- HafizHanif ( talk) 15:01, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
During the June visit, the children said the lady told them to say the Rosary daily in honor of Our Lady of the Rosary to obtain peace and the end of the Great War. (Three weeks earlier, on 21 April, the first contingent of Portuguese soldiers had embarked for the front lines of the war.) The lady also purportedly revealed to the children a vision of hell, and entrusted a secret to them, described as "good for some and bad for others".[4]
I noticed a contradiction here between sources. More soon ... Leo1pard ( talk) 08:35, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Emir of Wikipedia: Basically, I was talking about the hadith in the Twelver Shi'ite book, Bihar al-Anwar, that says that Fatimah was the only woman present at the Mubahalah, and the the Quran, which said that more than one woman was supposed to be present there, and maybe the second reference [1] that I put for the hadith, in the third paragraph, is unnecessary. Leo1pard ( talk) 06:49, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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Does anyone know of any reliable sources that mention the fact that not long after this mubahala cursing incident Muhammad and his daughter died, not to mention that decades later Ali was assassinated, Husayn murdered and Hassan removed (and poisoned to death, according to Shiites) from any leadership role within the nascent Muslim empire? This could be an interesting avenue to explore since Muhammad staked his legitimacy in this cursing incident yet it seemed to backfire, which would prove his illegitimacy. Such info could be added if reliable sources could be found. -- 121.189.72.182 ( talk) 09:51, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Taken from my post here: First you sought to remove a suggestion i made on Event of Mubahala talk page here; now you seek to undo my fact-checking edit on the actual article's page using a false excuse. You said in the edit summary: It says "or they emphasize more". Well sir, that is clear misrepresentation of the actual quote, which says: "while the above rituals are celebrated by sunnis and twelve-imam shiis, there are others that are celebrated exclusively by the shia, or that they emphasize more than the sunnis. these holidays include the birth and death anniversaries of muhammad, his daughter fatima, and the twelve imams (or sacred leaders) of shiism. The shia also celebrate other significant occurrences, such as muhammad's public declaration of ali as successor at ghadir khumm near mecca during the prophet's final pilgrimage; the meeting between muhammad, his family, and the christians from najraan at mubahila; and ..." It is clear that mubahala is seperated from sunni observance. I can understand if shia desire to deceptively paint an exclusively shia practice as somehow having wider islamic currency and legitimacy, just don't try repeatedly to fool someone that has more than one brain cell. -- 121.87.204.75 ( talk) 11:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Emir of Wikipedia: I don't know if you are being deliberately provocative but you're really pushing your luck. Where in your Gibb cite does it say as you claim that Sunnis celebrate it? Your page reference provided doesn't say that? Can you please provide the specific quote? Then you have the audacity, under the Eid al-Mubahalah sub-section to say "Eid al-Mubahalah is an annual Sunni Muslim commemoration of Mubahala." You completely ignore mentioning Shia! This seems more a case of a hasty and miserably failed attempt at revenge than truthful editing. If you provide no evidence from your Gibb source as i asked and continue upon your vendetta then i will bring more attention to your sour, deceitful behaviour. -- 121.87.204.75 ( talk) 14:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I'd like some clarity as to what is disputed regarding a recent edit I made. Is it the dates of birth and death? Would dates be important in this article? I think so. The issue of timing between the curse and the man's death has been discussed, so let's gather a consensus as to a) agreed-upon date of death for the man, and b) why would date of death be unreasonable to be include seeing they are only 27 visible characters.
(c. 570 AD – 8 June 632 AD) [1] -- HafizHanif ( talk) 15:58, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
WP:SILENCE does not apply as there is no consensus. Other articles are irrelevant as per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Mhhossein would you care to weigh in on the matter? Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 17:01, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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The article has been too much edited to simply revert them, but I just want to note that the following edits were made by sockpuppets of a banned user: [2] by TheArmenianHistorian, [3] by YazidLA, [4] by MixenXIX. ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 14:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Way too many unreliable sources on this page. I hope to edit the article in the near future with the aim of improving its prose and replacing or removing such sources. Albertatiran ( talk) 16:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Albertatiran: Hi, you have changed the title and I think the current one is not really fitting WP:TITLE. The previous one, i.e. "The event of Mubahala", was both concise and recognizable. Do you know any other notable Mubahala events being recorded in the history? Mhhossein talk 21:30, 10 July 2023 (UTC)